Your view on male virginity vs male use of prostitution

[OnyxSnowfall]

I love how people generalize things they don't agree with, to vilify them. Of all the customers I've had, I can remember more than enough to value and respect women, and I've valued and respected them in turn. Prostitution doesn't have to be degrading to either party when done with the right mindset.

And also, thank you very much for calling all prostitutes trash. Just goes to show that there are enough non-prostitutes with a character and (lack of) respect for fellow human beings, that would chase a guy off and right into the arms of a prostitute who at least feigns some decency rather than insulting people for no valid reason. Seriously, what decent person goes and lumps a group of people together by openly calling them trash? Prostitutes aren't rapists or murderers or Nazi doctors or terrorists, and even in legislations where their profession is illegal, they do not actually cause actual harm (hurt sensitivities of people who don't like the thought of sacred sex being commercialized by others they got no business interfering with, not counted here) unless they transmit diseases, which is not exclusive to hookers.

 

Your whole statement just shows that you know little more about prostitution, than what the stigmatizing, finger-pointing society has taught you to think of it. Like, feel free to insult an entire profession, sure, go right ahead. Not like there's a valid reason for it, but who cares, right? I could by the same logic say something nasty about cleaning ladies; after all they scrub other peoples' skid marks for a very low wage, in a submissive-looking bent over position to boot.

There is nothing wrong with buying or selling sex, as long as both parties approach it with the right mentality involving both mutual respect, and leaving strong emotions at the door. And yes, that kind of prostitution exists. When you refrain from blindly judging all over the place, that is. The only thing wrong with it, is that it doesn't sit well with some people, but nobody has the right to demand something be outlawed or free to insult, just because they don't like it PERSONALLY. Don't like = don't do, simple as that. I hate Pokemon. Let's call all children who like Pokemon, trash.

 

With all respect for your personal attitude toward sex, you have no right to insult people who think of it differently.

If you don't like prostitution, don't engage in it. But just like nobody gets to judge you for declaring sex sacred, you do not get to insult others for using it for money or leisure. You only get to decide what's right for yourself. You don't get to tell others how to feel about sex.

 

Also, I reported your extremely and needlessly insulting post. I am not tolerating some stranger calling me, or my ex-coworkers "trash" for no apparent reason. I am college-educated with an IQ way above average, have probably been more places than you have, seen and done more things than most people dare to even think about, and I could tell you all this fluently in 6 languages. I'll just refrain from bragging about winning every literature contest I bother entering, and being an amazing multi-disciplined artist in general I am the farthest from "trash" as it gets, thank you very much, and I am not letting a random stranger get away with calling me that without being able to back up their unthinkably offensive words by solid facts.

 

If you don't like Kathy's replies, DON'T READ THEM.

 

:rolleyes:

[Pompom]

Being uncomfortable with other peoples' damned personal business, does not qualify to insult them. I'm not comfortable around too many immigrants, would I get away with the n-word?

 

I am not oversensitive for expressing offense in being called trash. Shall I call you trash and see how you feel?

[OnyxSnowfall]

Being uncomfortable with other peoples' damned personal business, does not qualify to insult them. I'm not comfortable around too many immigrants, would I get away with the n-word?

 

I am not oversensitive for expressing offense in being called trash. Shall I call you trash and see how you feel?

 

You must think you are trash --- because when people have called me trash, it doesn't bother me... I KNOW I am not (although I also acknowledge trashy things I have done ... there IS a difference).

 

Your logical is so skewed... I couldn't even read all of your reply... just enough to confirm it...

 

the rest I will just assume is additional evidence

[Floridaman]

Being uncomfortable with other peoples' damned personal business, does not qualify to insult them. I'm not comfortable around too many immigrants, would I get away with the n-word?

 

I am not oversensitive for expressing offense in being called trash. Shall I call you trash and see how you feel?

Not reading every single word, but what you posted makes it sound like you may be a former prostitute, which is good that you left that work.

 

Let me say people have worth and can redeem themselves and be good people.

 

Skimming the long thread you started (sorry, am at work and can't read it all), it sounds like you're dating a culturally and religiously conservative Jewish guy, so that's interesting in itself.

 

Don't take what any poster here says personally.

Kathy didn't likely mean it in a mean-spirited way or throw rocks at all prostitutes as individual people.

Edited October 19, 2011 by Floridaman

[KathyM]

 

Many women wouldn't laugh at or think less of a guy who hadn't had sex with nearly every girl he dated.

Was one of those "inexperienced" guys myself and never had a woman have to "teach" me, though I wouldn't have minded.

 

I preferred the inexperienced BTW and none of them ever belittled me for my "ignorance" on sex.

 

 

 

And like Kathy posted, sex is intuitive and not that hard to learn.

Just bec. you don't know much about sex, don't go thinking your ignorance on the matter will look bad to a woman, not one that loves you, anyway.

I'd just like to comment that most of the women I know would admire a man who was less experienced and who valued women and was not giving it away to every brief relationship they had. I think there's very few women who would hold a guy's lack of experience against him, really. Certainly not someone that would care about the guy in other ways. Let's put it this way, any woman that would hold a guy's inexperience against him is not someone worth dating.

[KathyM]

I love how people generalize things they don't agree with, to vilify them. Of all the customers I've had, I can remember more than enough to value and respect women, and I've valued and respected them in turn. Prostitution doesn't have to be degrading to either party when done with the right mindset.

And also, thank you very much for calling all prostitutes trash. Just goes to show that there are enough non-prostitutes with a character and (lack of) respect for fellow human beings, that would chase a guy off and right into the arms of a prostitute who at least feigns some decency rather than insulting people for no valid reason. Seriously, what decent person goes and lumps a group of people together by openly calling them trash? Prostitutes aren't rapists or murderers or Nazi doctors or terrorists, and even in legislations where their profession is illegal, they do not actually cause actual harm (hurt sensitivities of people who don't like the thought of sacred sex being commercialized by others they got no business interfering with, not counted here) unless they transmit diseases, which is not exclusive to hookers.

 

Your whole statement just shows that you know little more about prostitution, than what the stigmatizing, finger-pointing society has taught you to think of it. Like, feel free to insult an entire profession, sure, go right ahead. Not like there's a valid reason for it, but who cares, right? I could by the same logic say something nasty about cleaning ladies; after all they scrub other peoples' skid marks for a very low wage, in a submissive-looking bent over position to boot.

There is nothing wrong with buying or selling sex, as long as both parties approach it with the right mentality involving both mutual respect, and leaving strong emotions at the door. And yes, that kind of prostitution exists. When you refrain from blindly judging all over the place, that is. The only thing wrong with it, is that it doesn't sit well with some people, but nobody has the right to demand something be outlawed or free to insult, just because they don't like it PERSONALLY. Don't like = don't do, simple as that. I hate Pokemon. Let's call all children who like Pokemon, trash.

 

With all respect for your personal attitude toward sex, you have no right to insult people who think of it differently.

If you don't like prostitution, don't engage in it. But just like nobody gets to judge you for declaring sex sacred, you do not get to insult others for using it for money or leisure. You only get to decide what's right for yourself. You don't get to tell others how to feel about sex.

 

Also, I reported your extremely and needlessly insulting post. I am not tolerating some stranger calling me, or my ex-coworkers "trash" for no apparent reason. I am college-educated with an IQ way above average, have probably been more places than you have, seen and done more things than most people dare to even think about, and I could tell you all this fluently in 6 languages. I'll just refrain from bragging about winning every literature contest I bother entering, and being an amazing multi-disciplined artist in general I am the farthest from "trash" as it gets, thank you very much, and I am not letting a random stranger get away with calling me that without being able to back up their unthinkably offensive words by solid facts.

Well, I do happen to know a lot about prostitutes. I've spent a lot of time studying the subject for a research paper, have read many testimonies from both prostitutes and their customers, and I actually interviewed one man who visited a prostitute and regretted it. I'm not speaking from naivity. So you don't think prostitution is degrading? Many who are in the profession would disagree with you, but they end up there out of necessity to pay the bills, or because they don't want to give up the money, so they accept the trade off. Many of the customers who go to prostitutes go for the reason of wanting to degrade a woman. Look at Tiger Woods, for example. I saw a documentary on that whole fiasco. One of his hookers was interviewed and went into detail about how one of the things he liked to do was to degrade her. You are right in that I don't respect prostitutes. They'll sell their bodies to anyone who has the money. You think that's worthy of respect? They don't care if the guy is married or in a commited relationship or not. They don't care who he is, what kind of guy he is, or anything about the man. As long as he can pay, that's all they care about. You really think that's worthy of respect? Not to me it isn't. There is nothing I respect about someone who has chosen to do that. You don't think prostitutes cause harm to people? They are harming the marriages that they help to destroy, the families that they help to destroy, not to mention the harm they do to themselves. And you're comparing yourself to cleaning women? Cleaning women are working hard for very little money and are actually helping others, not hurting them.

[KathyM]

Not reading every single word, but what you posted makes it sound like you may be a former prostitute, which is good that you left that work.

 

Let me say people have worth and can redeem themselves and be good people.

 

Skimming the long thread you started (sorry, am at work and can't read it all), it sounds like you're dating a culturally and religiously conservative Jewish guy, so that's interesting in itself.

 

Don't take what any poster here says personally.

Kathy didn't likely mean it in a mean-spirited way or throw rocks at all prostitutes as individual people.

Actually, I did mean what I said, and if this former or current prostitute wants to take offense from it, so be it. I dislike what they do. It's damaging to people. I equate it to being a drug dealer. Same type of thing. Selling something that is illegal, harmful, and destructive, and enticing people who may be weak, and all for the money it gives them. Same thing.

[KathyM]

This post has just reinforced my belief that there are good women in this world, Kudos to you KathyM, you're a high quality woman.

Thank you.

[somedude81]

Many guys go to prostitutes because they simply want to have sex and are unable to get it the "right" way. Or they are in a relationship where the wife is withholding sex for some reason.

 

I sympathize with men in those situations.

[OnyxSnowfall]

have probably been more places than you have, seen and done more things than most people dare to even think about

 

:X

 

In any case...

 

(logical = logic*)...

 

And I tend to agree with In A Rut ( is this some kind of trend now?!) --- Kathy seems to be a high quality woman --- I haven't agreed with all of her posts that I have seen, but that isn't even necessary and it certainly doesn't take away from what seems to be so.

 

Beyond that, she's allowed the freedom to respect or not respect whomever she wishes to --- you're spewing forth that people don't have the right to do what you're in essence doing, I don't even know where to begin other than you just became really emotional and disturbed because some part of you believes you are really less... it could even explain the over-compensation of what you went on boasting about ( assuming they're all true ). That's something *you* need to work on, not others...

Edited October 19, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall

[AHardDaysNight]

I feel bad for prostitutes. They have to deal with possible disease, and also possibly being physically harmed.

 

I am all for legalizing it, but would never go to one myself. I, however, see no reason why other men shouldn't be able to, if they want.

[Floridaman]

In some "everything.. but" I had with 2 women in my late 20s, a 30 y.o. virgin and an "less-inexperienced" 34 y.o., gave them OS.

Phrased that wrong.

Should have stated it this way:

 

In some "everything.. but" I had with 2 women in my late 20s, a 30 y.o. virgin and a "less-experienced" 34 y.o., gave them OS.

 

 

If that 34 y.o. was "less-inexperienced," she'd probably have had no qualms about doing the ultimate, which as a man, I probably wanted.

Though I can honestly say I declined when she once offered herself to me.

 

Was afraid she'd drank too much wine and knew her previous stance, plus as we had dated 1+ years, wasn't sure what she'd think of me afterward if I "took advantage" of her body that way...

 

Yup. Kinda regret that.

But am honest when I say I didn't press women for sex, tried to treat them well, cared about their feelings, etc...

So many regrets....

Edited October 20, 2011 by Floridaman

[Floridaman]

Many guys go to prostitutes because they simply want to have sex and are unable to get it the "right" way. Or they are in a relationship where the wife is withholding sex for some reason.

 

I sympathize with men in those situations.

Understand.

Still, I believe it's morally wrong (for both parties), even though it may be legal in some places.

Would never recommend anyone visit a prositute or do other destructive things.

 

Like Gorilla posted earlier in this thread,

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3646914&postcount=148, I'd personally be more interested in talking with the prostitute than using her services.

 

Actually, I did mean what I said, and if this former or current prostitute wants to take offense from it, so be it. I dislike what they do. It's damaging to people. I equate it to being a drug dealer. Same type of thing. Selling something that is illegal, harmful, and destructive, and enticing people who may be weak, and all for the money it gives them. Same thing.

Kathy,

She used to be a prostitute.

That was her past, so she's changed.

 

Let's not judge people personally on this.

"Love the sinner, hate the sin," that kind of thing (as I've heard it said).

One may hate abortion but not the woman, if that's a good analogy.

 

She came out of the world of prostitution, like some come out of harmful religious cults or alcoholism or any other number of bad things. I have nothing but admiration and support for someone who turns their life around in that way.

Edited October 20, 2011 by Floridaman

[Mrlonelyone]

Yes our society is hypocritical about wanting men to be experienced but stigmatizing men who see prostitutes...while praising virginity in women and stigmatizing women who are sexually free...like prostitutes. *

 

 

 

When it comes to 25 year old virgin men trying to do 25 year old women Elysian and Wolf are absolutely right. When it comes to just getting laid they have the right attitude. In the highly sexualized world we live USA 2011-2012 when you are that young just try to get laid.

 

Truth be told while people may think they want a relationship at that age they aren't really serious. Our society does not support fidelity in people that age. Those who do get engaged and married then still want to "experience more" and end up divorced in short order.

 

 

They are wrong that seeking deeper connections is always waste of time. In the long run, when you are older and more mature that connection is what people seek. When you are looking for a real relationship you need that connection or it won't last once the sexual novelty and afterglow of all the marriage hooplah has gone.

 

______________________________

As for the talk about "nerdy" guys

---------------------------------

 

When it comes to women under 25 social standing of the man in a school like environment is paramount. Years of media like BBT and Family matters (Urkel), and the "Revenge of the Nerds" movies have set it in the popular mind that being associated with an IT, engineering, hard sciences guy/gal ===> lowered social capital.

 

Plus it's considered abnormal because being that way implies being of above average mental acuity. Just as in a America that grows ever more obese being of <s>normal</s> healthy weight is now the abnormal state. Being seen as "smart" can be a social stigma and disadvantage. Among the truly "smart" it is common to underachieve for that very reason.

 

*Assuming of course they are doing it of their own free will.

[fortyninethousand322]

Yes our society is hypocritical about wanting men to be experienced but stigmatizing men who see prostitutes...while praising virginity in women and stigmatizing women who are sexually free...like prostitutes. *

 

 

 

When it comes to 25 year old virgin men trying to do 25 year old women Elysian and Wolf are absolutely right. When it comes to just getting laid they have the right attitude. In the highly sexualized world we live USA 2011-2012 when you are that young just try to get laid.

 

Truth be told while people may think they want a relationship at that age they aren't really serious. Our society does not support fidelity in people that age. Those who do get engaged and married then still want to "experience more" and end up divorced in short order.

 

 

They are wrong that seeking deeper connections is always waste of time. In the long run, when you are older and more mature that connection is what people seek. When you are looking for a real relationship you need that connection or it won't last once the sexual novelty and afterglow of all the marriage hooplah has gone.

 

______________________________

As for the talk about "nerdy" guys

---------------------------------

 

When it comes to women under 25 social standing of the man in a school like environment is paramount. Years of media like BBT and Family matters (Urkel), and the "Revenge of the Nerds" movies have set it in the popular mind that being associated with an IT, engineering, hard sciences guy/gal ===> lowered social capital.

 

Plus it's considered abnormal because being that way implies being of above average mental acuity. Just as in a America that grows ever more obese being of <s>normal</s> healthy weight is now the abnormal state. Being seen as "smart" can be a social stigma and disadvantage. Among the truly "smart" it is common to underachieve for that very reason.

 

*Assuming of course they are doing it of their own free will.

 

Very interesting (as your posts normally are). I personally have never been interested in "just getting laid" and have always sought a relationship. Now, I'm under 25, could it really be that my approach this whole time has been flawed and that's why I have no success?

[OnyxSnowfall]

Kathy,

She used to be a prostitute.

That was her past, so she's changed.

 

Let's not judge people personally on this.

"Love the sinner, hate the sin," that kind of thing (as I've heard it said).

One may hate abortion but not the woman, if that's a good analogy.

 

She came out of the world of prostitution, like some come out of harmful religious cults or alcoholism or any other number of bad things. I have nothing but admiration and support for someone who turns their life around in that way.

 

I realize this is directed to Kathy, however...

 

This person is still defending her "honor" and her "choices"... but more relevantly --- "prostitution". It's a little wee bit different than the melody you're choosing to sing for her...

 

Did you not read this:

 

"There is nothing wrong with buying or selling sex, as long as both parties approach it with the right mentality involving both mutual respect, and leaving strong emotions at the door [which doesn't define most of prostitution anyway --- and the detached outlook can be extremely damaging as well]. . . . The only thing wrong with it, is that it doesn't sit well with some people"

 

Regardless, you don't know what type of life they're truly leading now... but that's even besides the point...

Edited October 20, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall

[Mrlonelyone]

@49322

 

Yes and no. What you have to realize, that many only conciously figure out latter, is that "relationships" at that age are almost never serious. In the moment they feel powerful and strong and very serious but...that is just an immature young adult brain, caught up in a flood of dopamine and other love chemicals our brains release.

 

There are two things you could do.

 

1.) Knowingly play the game, don't act like a man who's in a serious relationship or who wants a serious relationship....but tell any woman you end up having sex with that you are serious about her while not being serious at all. In short play the woman. The hard truth is that, planned or not, the woman at that age is likely eyeing or even screwing some other guy.

 

2.)Go for older more mature women. Not like 50's or even 40's....just women in their late 20's and especially 30's will have a much more mature perspective. Yes they want a hot guy, but if you are less than 25 and hitting on a woman of 30-35 she will be flattered that you are interested. If you are really compatible for a relationship all the better because you will be equally mentally mature and into such a relationship.

 

This second option happens in many cultures where men of means and status typically trade in older wives for younger more desirable women. The younger less resourceful or experienced men seek out such women. Both the man and woman gain what they want for a time.

[somedude81]

Mrlonelyone, I know your post is addressed to 49322. But there are somethings I want to point out.

 

#1) Can only be done if the guy is actually sleeping with women. Guys who never get laid can't play the game.

 

#2) Where is a younger guy supposed to actually meet an older woman? How should he pursue her?

 

If you are really compatible for a relationship all the better because you will be equally mentally mature and into such a relationship.

That seems really doubtful. A younger inexperienced guy would not be as mentally mature as an older woman.

 

I don't know how you even came to that conclusion.

[KathyM]

 

 

Kathy,

She used to be a prostitute.

That was her past, so she's changed.

 

Let's not judge people personally on this.

"Love the sinner, hate the sin," that kind of thing (as I've heard it said).

One may hate abortion but not the woman, if that's a good analogy.

 

She came out of the world of prostitution, like some come out of harmful religious cults or alcoholism or any other number of bad things. I have nothing but admiration and support for someone who turns their life around in that way.

You're saying she's changed. Maybe she is no longer engaging in prostitution, but when she comes on here to defend and promote it, then her attitude about it has not changed. I'm judging the behavior as being destructive to people. And not being remorseful about it and justifying it does not make me feel respect for the person. I saw first hand the damage done to a marriage through a prostitute. The man I interviewed for the research project I did, the husband of a woman I am friends with, gave me an insight and perspective that made it more real. He told of how he was having some troubles with his marriage, how he happened to check out the advertisements from prostitutes on CL while on the site for other benign reasons, how he foolishly responded to some ads rather than investing time in working on and saving his marriage, how they separated for a period of months, and after making the leap of faith and getting back together with his wife, the prostitutes he contacted previously continued to call him and Email him and hound him to see them again. That is why they are called hookers. They get you hooked, and he made the mistake of seeing one after reconciling with his wife. The wife found out, and it nearly ended their LT marriage and efforts to reconcile. The man was very remorseful and very grateful that his wife was willing to forgive and take him back, but the hurt and damage will always be there for them. When you see the damage first hand, plus read about it from so many testimonies that I did for this project, it's hard to not feel contempt for people that do these destructive things to others. Granted he is to blame for his actions, but without the prostitute willing to do that indiscriminately and advertising herself indiscriminately, that would never have happened. I feel sorry for this couple--that is a mark on their marriage that will always be a source of pain for them and their children and for countless others who have gone down that path. So I do feel contempt for the action, and sadness for the woman who was willing to play a part in it, and the couple who were hurt by her actions. I would certainly support the woman on this thread in her effort to turn her life around, but when she comes on here to defend and promote a destructive action, I'm not inclined to be very supportive. Turning your life around, in this case, does not mean just stopping a destructive activity, it means having a changed heart and remorse for the destructiveness caused. I don't believe that is the case with this person.

[Floridaman]

I personally have never been interested in "just getting laid" and have always sought a relationship.

That approach is fine.

Seeking relationships first seems like the right way to go, though we may stray on that path.

 

Now, I'm under 25, could it really be that my approach this whole time has been flawed and that's why I have no success?

You mean technique or how you're approaching women?

[somedude81]

That approach is fine.

Seeking relationships first seems like the right way to go, though we may stray on that path.

No, it's not. I thought that was obvious by now.

 

I think the main reason why I've been doing so bad with woman was because I've been trying to find a girlfriend.

 

If I've been just trying to get laid, I'd probably have slept with many more girls and may have gotten a girlfriend in the process.

 

My guess is that 49k thinks the same way.

[fortyninethousand322]

@49322

 

Yes and no. What you have to realize, that many only conciously figure out latter, is that "relationships" at that age are almost never serious. In the moment they feel powerful and strong and very serious but...that is just an immature young adult brain, caught up in a flood of dopamine and other love chemicals our brains release.

 

There are two things you could do.

 

1.) Knowingly play the game, don't act like a man who's in a serious relationship or who wants a serious relationship....but tell any woman you end up having sex with that you are serious about her while not being serious at all. In short play the woman. The hard truth is that, planned or not, the woman at that age is likely eyeing or even screwing some other guy.

 

2.)Go for older more mature women. Not like 50's or even 40's....just women in their late 20's and especially 30's will have a much more mature perspective. Yes they want a hot guy, but if you are less than 25 and hitting on a woman of 30-35 she will be flattered that you are interested. If you are really compatible for a relationship all the better because you will be equally mentally mature and into such a relationship.

 

This second option happens in many cultures where men of means and status typically trade in older wives for younger more desirable women. The younger less resourceful or experienced men seek out such women. Both the man and woman gain what they want for a time.

 

Yeah. I mean I don't necessarily view young relationships as like marriage serious, but somewhat more than a relationship based solely on sex. I'm not looking to get married, but someone cool to hang with, do fun stuff with and also have sex with would be cool too you know? That may last 3 months or 5 years but I'm certainly not looking for a one night stand type of deal.

 

So what I should do is not take anything all that seriously and maybe look at slightly older women. The only issue is where do I meet said older women?

[fortyninethousand322]

No, it's not. I thought that was obvious by now.

 

I think the main reason why I've been doing so bad with woman was because I've been trying to find a girlfriend.

 

If I've been just trying to get laid, I'd probably have slept with many more girls and may have gotten a girlfriend in the process.

 

My guess is that 49k thinks the same way.

 

Well, yes and no. The two friends of mine who have been most successful with women were looking for a girlfriend but were also open to just hooking up too. Like, they didn't limit themselves to just serious relationships. So it's not that I think just trying to get laid would be better, but maybe perhaps being ok with any kind of sexual relationship with women would be preferable than just being limited to committed relationships. This is something that I've been suspecting for some time now though, just Mr.LonelyOne's post kind of confirmed it.

[Floridaman]

No, it's not. I thought that was obvious by now.

 

I think the main reason why I've been doing so bad with woman was because I've been trying to find a girlfriend.

 

If I've been just trying to get laid, I'd probably have slept with many more girls and may have gotten a girlfriend in the process..

Going out and seeking sex (alone) won't likely get you a lasting relationship.

Empty sexual encounters are called that for a reason.

You can't tell the girl you love her as you don't even know her, and you end up feeling worse than before, as I've posted.

 

If you improve your dating game, and fall in love with a good woman who loves you back for who you are, you can likely get both love and sex.

 

Just getting laid may satisfy your penis, but it won't end your loneliness and desire for companionship you so desperately want. Yes, I was in your shoes once.

 

As you've had sex without a relationship (as you posted), would think you understand the difference.

 

You do what you want, SomeDude, but am telling you from my experience, it's a relationship you should seek first.

[somedude81]

Well, yes and no. The two friends of mine who have been most successful with women were looking for a girlfriend but were also open to just hooking up too. Like, they didn't limit themselves to just serious relationships. So it's not that I think just trying to get laid would be better, but maybe perhaps being ok with any kind of sexual relationship with women would be preferable than just being limited to committed relationships. This is something that I've been suspecting for some time now though, just Mr.LonelyOne's post kind of confirmed it.

 

 

That's basically what I meant. By being open to hookup's, doesn't mean that one is no longer open to having a relationship.

 

Look at it this way. If I really wanted to, I could learn Pick Up, start going to bars or clubs and maybe get some one night stands from random girls. I could do that in addition to my quest to find a girlfriend.

 

But the issue is that I have no desire to have sex with strange women. Although doing so could probably get me some experience with women and maybe I'd end up getting a girlfriend in the process.