Your view on male virginity vs male use of prostitution

[somedude81]

One thing I'd like to bring up, nobody is really asking how to get to know women.

 

The title of this thread concerns virginity and prostitution in other words, they are sexual in nature.

 

The whole goal is to be able to have sex with women, not become friends and/or truly understand them.

 

I'm sure the vast majority of guys who posted here have female friends already.

[In A Rut]

One thing I'd like to bring up, nobody is really asking how to get to know women.

 

The title of this thread concerns virginity and prostitution in other words, they are sexual in nature.

 

The whole goal is to be able to have sex with women, not become friends and/or truly understand them.

 

I'm sure the vast majority of guys who posted here have female friends already.

 

Have you given up the hope of ever getting with a woman and having sex? Have you ever thought about using a prostitute or a sex therapist?

[KathyM]

Have you given up the hope of ever getting with a woman and having sex? Have you ever thought about using a prostitute or a sex therapist?

Eww, don't encourage him to do something that is not good for him. His issue is that he can't seem to develop a relationship with a woman. For that, he needs to find out why that is, preferably with a counselor, and work on those issues that are preventing him from connecting with women who are potential gfs. The last thing he needs is to risk getting some STD with some prostitute or risk being arrested. That's not going to help him.

[somedude81]

Have you given up the hope of ever getting with a woman and having sex? Have you ever thought about using a prostitute or a sex therapist?

Oddly enough, I haven't given up on trying to get women.

 

I rather not pay for sex.

Eww, don't encourage him to do something that is not good for him. His issue is that he can't seem to develop a relationship with a woman. For that, he needs to find out why that is, preferably with a counselor, and work on those issues that are preventing him from connecting with women who are potential gfs. The last thing he needs is to risk getting some STD with some prostitute or risk being arrested. That's not going to help him.

I've already been through threapy and talked to them about women. All I've really been told is that women are people too. Good to know, doesn't really help me.

 

I need to find out why women aren't attracted to me, and how to change that. I can make connections just fine, but I'm tired of being told that I'm like a brother

[In A Rut]

Eww, don't encourage him to do something that is not good for him. His issue is that he can't seem to develop a relationship with a woman. For that, he needs to find out why that is, preferably with a counselor, and work on those issues that are preventing him from connecting with women who are potential gfs. The last thing he needs is to risk getting some STD with some prostitute or risk being arrested. That's not going to help him.

 

I think you're reading too much into my post. I never encouraged him to seek prostitutes or a sex therapist, I simply asked if it have crossed his mind. I'm a virgin and I couldn't have a more different outlook to Somedude81 and I'd be interested in knowing why that is the case? He seems bitter and unwilling to listen and take on board the advice he is given by men and women or at least that is the perception I get from his attitude on this forum.

 

I get the sense he has abandoned hope of ever getting a woman or having sex and that's ashame, because nobody should feel that way.

[In A Rut]

Oddly enough, I haven't given up on trying to get women.

 

I rather not pay for sex.

 

I need to find out why women aren't attracted to me, and how to change that. I can make connections just fine, but I'm tired of being told that I'm like a brother

 

I stand corrected, Somedude81.

 

Usually when a woman says she sees as a brother it's because you're good friend to her. It sounds like you become friends with a girl you're attracted too and she ultimately friend-zones you. You need to become more sexual with women you're interested in. You know flirt, tease, touch, make her laugh.

 

Do you ever do casual dating by any chance? Do you approach women?

[KathyM]

Oddly enough, I haven't given up on trying to get women.

 

I rather not pay for sex.

 

I've already been through threapy and talked to them about women. All I've really been told is that women are people too. Good to know, doesn't really help me.

 

I need to find out why women aren't attracted to me, and how to change that. I can make connections just fine, but I'm tired of being told that I'm like a brother

Can I suggest a relationship coach? There are people out there that specialize in coaching people who are having trouble establishing relationships. They will be frank about what is holding you back and how to overcome that. People here on LS are kind of limited in what we can offer, since we can't see you, can't get the dynamics of what is happening well enough to suggest enough helpful advice. That would be my suggestion--a relationship coach. And I'm glad to see that you have some standards and sense not to go to a prostitute. The guy I know that did that as a last resort did very much regret his decision to take that route.

[KathyM]

I think you're reading too much into my post. I never encouraged him to seek prostitutes or a sex therapist, I simply asked if it have crossed his mind. I'm a virgin and I couldn't have a more different outlook to Somedude81 and I'd be interested in knowing why that is the case? He seems bitter and unwilling to listen and take on board the advice he is given by men and women or at least that is the perception I get from his attitude on this forum.

 

I get the sense he has abandoned hope of ever getting a woman or having sex and that's ashame, because nobody should feel that way.

Well, I'm glad you're not advocating unhealthy behavior, or something that could have bad consequences for him. When you suggested those avenues, I thought you were advocating them. And I agree that no one should give up hope in finding a relationship. It can happen at any age. I met a man recently who is still a virgin at 55 years old, never married, but who has a lot of fulfilling friendships and an active life, and doesn't feel like he's missing out on something. He was content with his life regardless of the fact that he didn't have a relationship with a woman. He recently met a nice woman at 55 years old and has been dating her for a couple of months now. It's never time to give up. But I do believe in working on oneself all the time, if there is something holding a person back from obtaining a goal.

[KathyM]

These guys need sex, not relationships. They have bills to pay, schools to go to, sisters and brothers to put up with; a girlfriend would be an obstacle between them, from being a virgin, to a man who can seduce many women.

 

guys, read this;

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Strauss

I know you're not a fan of actual relationships, and you have some kind of jaded view that women are to be used and not someone to benefit a man in other ways. Fortunately, most men do prefer an emotional connection with women, and do see the benefit of one, and that is what they are seeking.

[In A Rut]

I'd prefer it if people didn't speak on my behalf. At the moment I am focusing on the continual improvement of my fitness levels and I am focused on joining the military, so at the moment dating/sex/women are on the backfoot. I'm pretty sure women like a man in uniform, so I am pretty sure once I'm a serviceman I'll be able to score with women on a regular basis or if not I'm sure a Barrack Rat will give me a good seeing to.

[somedude81]

Well I'm short and not a very good looking guy.

 

I want a relationship, which of course includes sex.

 

I've thought about getting an actual coach for that thing but I don't have any money to use beyond rent and food.

[AHardDaysNight]

I know you're not a fan of actual relationships, and you have some kind of jaded view that women are to be used and not someone to benefit a man in other ways. Fortunately, most men do prefer an emotional connection with women, and do see the benefit of one, and that is what they are seeking.

 

I am one who wants a relationship, not just sex.

 

I just don't want to compromise my standards, to date someone I'm not attracted to, just to not be lonely. What's the point of dating someone if you don't want to have sex with them?

[KathyM]

What? LOL

 

How is going to a prostitution something that is not good for him? The men who hunted for a living, the cavemen, and the child of the Renaissance flourishing all went to prostitutes. The Pope himself had had many prostitutes and children from them. By visiting a prostitute, the man learns how to fck, he surfs on a wave of endless pleasure for the woman is usually beautiful, and he won't have to bother with listening to what women talk about(most husbands and boyfriends just pretend to be listening to their partners LOL); they don't have to worry the female's feelings; nor do they have to bother with thoughts of possible pregnancy.

 

I've composed quite a post on prostitution and how positive it is for men, but older women can't come to terms with the fact that there are women putting out the goods for a much smaller price, and due to their inability to compete with courtesans; they try to downgrade to the status of victims or gold-diggers.

 

From what I'm told by older, married men, they're lucky to have sex once a month, and the women aren't even good-looking. Is this what you guys want? Granted, you'll never grow to be as tall or as fit as I am, but you can have more women than me by visiting prostitutes.

 

1)his issue is that he can't make women wet for him. Plenty of professional bums do not have social skills but have the looks to draw women to them; talking to a degreed parasite(''relationship adviser'') will drain him of his money, with no palpable results.

 

2) studies upon studies reinforce the thought-belief of non-prostitutes being infected by stds. Ain't HPV rampant? Don't most women have that? HPV has been linked prostrate and oral cancer; matter of fact, a man by having sex with a non-prostitute has a very high chance of catching life-long stds.

 

So? He needs to find a virgin? Sorry. Women our age and in their 30's are trying to compete with casanova for how ''many individuals I can fck before I find a gullible man to marry me.''

 

And guys, relationships are tremendously overrated. The fkcing is always the same because you're fckin the same women. Your time in a relationship will be divided into being her friend, her protector, her financier, her personal furnisher- mover and her cook.

 

And for the love of God; it gets even worse because they require periodic contact ie, you have to talk to them about boring things - or you have to pretend listening.

 

Besides the little sex you'll get from a relationship(your sexual life will be very active during the first months, but as the relationship ages so does your use for condoms go down the toilet), you'll be spending a load of money on a woman who'll either dump you or cheat on you.

 

Save your money, fly down to europe where the prostitutes are legal(or fly to nevada) and have the time of your life.

Learning how to F*ck is not rocket science, dear boy. Not that difficult. Going to a prostitute is not going to get him to "learn" anything. He won't learn how to satisfy or pleasure a woman that way. It's only a means for a man to get off on, and an unhealthy one at that. From what I have read, almost 100% of prostitutes have had at least one STD and some STDs are permanent, can be transmitted even without noticeable symptoms, and even when a condom is being used. Too big of a risk to take. And I have read that most men who go to prostitutes will, sooner or later, contract an STD. Could be the first time, could be at a later time. Most prostitutes, from what I have read and seen pictures of, are not beautiful. Some have implants. Big deal. Some are fat, some thin. Most are average looking. But what they all are is someone that has been used by pathetic desperate men. It's too bad that you find so little value in women, and consider them only a means to be used. There are many women out there who are interesting, intelligent, caring, and giving. They have a lot to offer a man. It's unfortunate that you have never come in contact with those types of women. If you have such a jaded opinion of women, I'm not surprised that you have never met someone of value.

 

Prostitutes are gold diggers. Don't kid yourself. They only want your money. They don't care about you, only your money. I feel a combination of pity and repulsion by prostitutes, not fear or competitiveness. They don't value themselves, their johns, or sex. They only value money. Prostitutes are no competition for real women, since most men do want relationships with real women. The few that don't want a relationship with a real woman, or would consider going to a prostitute, are not worth competing for. (No offense ). And just so you know, prostitutes don't have anything up on me. I provide all the beauty, physical attributes, and sex that my husband could ever want or need, along with caring, warmth and love. Something you will never get from a prostitute. Most men do desire the caring, warmth and love that comes from a real relationship. Most men have too much self esteem to lower themselves to pay for sex from some pathetic used prostitute. You are advising men to save their money, and then telling them to fly somewhere and spend it on prostitutes. How about they save their money from destructive behaviors, and spend it on something that will get them what they want in the long term, which is a relationship that involves more than just a quicky 1/2 hour with some used pathetic prostitute who only cares about their money.

[Wolf18]

Well, I'm glad you're not advocating unhealthy behavior, or something that could have bad consequences for him. When you suggested those avenues, I thought you were advocating them. And I agree that no one should give up hope in finding a relationship. It can happen at any age. I met a man recently who is still a virgin at 55 years old, never married, but who has a lot of fulfilling friendships and an active life, and doesn't feel like he's missing out on something. He was content with his life regardless of the fact that he didn't have a relationship with a woman. He recently met a nice woman at 55 years old and has been dating her for a couple of months now. It's never time to give up. But I do believe in working on oneself all the time, if there is something holding a person back from obtaining a goal.

 

 

Are you kidding me, a 55 year old virgin? Sorry, no man no matter what he says is going to prefer being a 55 year old virgin over sex with a prostitute, and if he does he's warped beyond belief.

 

There is absolutely no chance that a 55 year old male virgin can be completely content with his life. What kind of shape would your self-esteem be in if you were a 55 virgin? People love to give moral advice while sitting from their throne, but if you were in that situation you would absolutely hate it.

[Wolf18]

Learning how to F*ck is not rocket science, dear boy. Not that difficult. Going to a prostitute is not going to get him to "learn" anything. He won't learn how to satisfy or pleasure a woman that way. It's only a means for a man to get off on, and an unhealthy one at that. From what I have read, almost 100% of prostitutes have had at least one STD and some STDs are permanent, can be transmitted even without noticeable symptoms, and even when a condom is being used. Too big of a risk to take. And I have read that most men who go to prostitutes will, sooner or later, contract an STD. Could be the first time, could be at a later time. Most prostitutes, from what I have read and seen pictures of, are not beautiful. Some have implants. Big deal. Some are fat, some thin. Most are average looking. But what they all are is someone that has been used by pathetic desperate men. It's too bad that you find so little value in women, and consider them only a means to be used. There are many women out there who are interesting, intelligent, caring, and giving. They have a lot to offer a man. It's unfortunate that you have never come in contact with those types of women. If you have such a jaded opinion of women, I'm not surprised that you have never met someone of value. [/Quote]

 

Learning how to have sex isn't a rocket science...for women. You don't have to find any clitoris or get it in the right hole, as many men struggle with their first few times

 

Most men want to have sex with women. That isn't a crime and nobody but perhaps the weakest manginas is going to apologize to you for that.

 

There may be some women who are interesting , intelligent, caring, etc, but my question is are they single ? If they are single, do they think I'm attractive enough to give me a shot.

 

Banging hookers is the last resort for men, a lot of us would prefer to have a girlfriend. This isn't about valuing women, it's about the fact that women are pretty damn shallow.

 

 

 

Prostitutes are gold diggers. Don't kid yourself. They only want your money. They don't care about you, only your money. I feel a combination of pity and repulsion by prostitutes, not fear or competitiveness. They don't value themselves, their johns, or sex. They only value money. Prostitutes are no competition for real women, since most men do want relationships with real women. The few that don't want a relationship with a real woman, or would consider going to a prostitute, are not worth competing for. (No offense ). And just so you know, prostitutes don't have anything up on me. I provide all the beauty, physical attributes, and sex that my husband could ever want or need, along with caring, warmth and love. Something you will never get from a prostitute. Most men do desire the caring, warmth and love that comes from a real relationship. Most men have too much self esteem to lower themselves to pay for sex from some pathetic used prostitute. You are advising men to save their money, and then telling them to fly somewhere and spend it on prostitutes. How about they save their money from destructive behaviors, and spend it on something that will get them what they want in the long term, which is a relationship that involves more than just a quicky 1/2 hour with some used pathetic prostitute who only cares about their money.

 

 

Your perfect amazing husband would likely use prostitutes too if it was legal, regulated, and he had no other choice. There is a whole world men are in that you will never know anything about and you obviously have no idea how the male mind works.

 

If you go to places where prostitution is legal, I would say atleast 75-90% of the men in those nations have slept with a prostitute at some point. Even the "hot guys" you think are so high above that will do it

 

Come back down to earth, instead of on your Oprah invented cloud. I'm sure there are many manginas in America who have "moral issues" with sleeping with a prostitute, and that's their business, but moralizing against guys like me just because we don't like being celibate against our will 2 years in a row is retarded.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Somedude81

There are plenty of books on relationships but virtually all books for men on how to get into a relationship, are pick up stuff.

 

I haven't seen anything like a Communicating with Women 101.

 

Try starting with Venus/Mars books. All written by a man. Yes the subject matter is touchy feely but he isn't off about either men or women. Then go from there and branch out. There *is* material availble but you do have to be willing to seek it out because I do agree that there is more of that kind of reading for women then men.

 

 

There are many things to enjoy about women.

 

But after being continually rejected for my entire life, it's hard to think that everything is rainbows and butterflies.

 

I'm glad to hear there are things you enjoy about women. I hope it goes behind their bodies or looks.

 

But hey, I totally get you because it hasn't been all rainbos and butterflies in my experience with men. It's tough out there for everyone. I guess if I looked like a "10" (and I use this as a point of reference for you because I pesronally hate the silliness in rating people on a scale of 1-10) I wouldn't have many problems dating. But I don't. I'm pretty average. I think I remind men of their little sisters.

 

 

My point was that what I've learned so far hasn't really helped me.

I'm 30 years old and I've never been in a relationship. So there is obviously something I've missed.

 

Do you go out often? Do you only go to bars? How do you meet women?

 

I don't know how you live your life but all i can say is if what you are doing isn't working, then try something different. There is a great site called meetup.com where you can look up acitivities you enjoy and sign up for them. Don't put the preasure on yourself to date so much as getting out there and mixing things up.

 

 

You're the one who first used T&A. Look it up, I quoted you.

 

Because that's how men sometimes look at women. My point was to look BEYOND these. I didn't replace women for T&A like you did.

 

 

I didn't say it should.

 

But that is the only advice I've gotten from the women in my family.

 

Well you got women all those message board. Ask us some questions and you'll get some answers.

 

My mom married my dad to spite her father. Little rich white girl goes after a dark Cuban boy because he's nothing like her father. She told me that.

 

I don't exactly know why my Stepmother married my dad. He was several years older than her and had two little kids. Though he is very outgoing.

 

My grandmother married my grandfather because he had money. He turned out to be an abusive alcoholic and everybody left him.

 

My other grandmother started dating my grandfather when she was 16. And they just stuck together till he died.

 

So none of them married because they loved each other??? I am baffled that you culd have 4 generations and none of the married because they loved each other. or that ayour mom only married your dad to spite her dad and there wasn't some real love there. Are you really saying that none of the matches in your family were for love?

[KathyM]

Jaded? I wouldn't say that. I just happen to be a good-looking guy. I never had any problem attracting women and I've been in relationships or fwbs or whatever to know that the joy of being in a relationship is novelty at most and it won't take long to pass away.

 

I don't use women.. i fck them, which is what women want( to be fckd by hot men) and I leave the perimeter for other men to pay for what I had, in the form and in the colours of a ''relationship''.

 

Correction; most men want sex, they don't care that much, at all, for emotional relationships. Visit an high school if you think the boys are drawing pictures with their girlfriends. Take some time to walk to your nearest campus and look below the seats on the stadium; the couple ain't sharing ghost stories.

 

Talk to men in their 30's - and with options - you'll discover that most are multi-dating and that, if they are committed to a woman , if there's no sex they will move on.

 

men want sex and women want relationships. Women know that to have a relationship they ought put out and the men THINK that they need to date/romance/ put up with a woman in order for a woman to put out.

 

Have you taken a look at the topic from that young woman, a virgin junior student who can't find a boyfriend because most of the women put out immediately?

 

There you have it. Women must put out soon or their fantasy that men care about their fuuuuellieeeings will break on the weight of the impressive number of women willing to put out(for free).

 

Thankfully, the majority of men my age and younger learned from their fathers, brothers, and friends, how flawed relationships are, how much(amazingly more) women benefit from relationships than men, and are now treating relationships as they really are; afterthoughts in a man's life.

 

Many are fkcing and dumping, most of the guys in relationships are festering in sexual frustration and rising to a state of not caring about their girlfriends, and the rest of men are enriching the porn industry.

 

Finally, after thousands and thousands of years of servitude; men are taking what they want from women without paying the price. What an hefty price it was.

Most women want a relationship. So do most men. They don't want just sex. And I do know how high school guys are thinking. Two of my sons just graduated from high school, and I've gotten to spend a lot of time on campus because of all their activities and have gotten to know their friends. All of them had girlfriends and emotional relationships with girls. They're not looking for ONS. They're looking for a gf to have a relationship with. The guys I've come to know in that age range actually value women and want relationships with them. They aren't into using women for sex. You seem to think women have nothing to offer a man other than sex. You don't value a woman's companionship, caring, and feelings. That's too bad. I think you are missing out on something great that you will never know as long as you have the attitude that you do.

 

There are some decent guys out there. I know a lot of them in their teens and 20 somethings who value women and are looking for something more than just a warm place to put it. Men who have character and standards, and value themselves and women, and believe that sex is something to be valued and not cheapened, and believe that women are people to be valued.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

I will submit the "sexual tension thread" to refute this post.(http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=299729)

 

I think getting to know and understand women is wonderful, but it's not the single most important thing in getting women to be attracted to a man. Lots of guys can be great around platonic female friends/acquaintances but have real trouble when it comes to creating attraction.

 

Obviously there are other elements that go into any human relationship other then knowing them. My point is, is that knowing the gender of your interest is a good foundation in starting attraction.

[KathyM]

Well I'm short and not a very good looking guy.

 

I want a relationship, which of course includes sex.

 

I've thought about getting an actual coach for that thing but I don't have any money to use beyond rent and food.

Then study up on it--how to develop relationships and make them work. Go to your local bookstore and read articles on line about it. There is a lot of material out there. Also, ask people who know you what you could be doing differently to improve your chances. People on LS are kind of limited in what they can offer in terms of advice, since they have never met you.

[KathyM]

I am one who wants a relationship, not just sex.

 

I just don't want to compromise my standards, to date someone I'm not attracted to, just to not be lonely. What's the point of dating someone if you don't want to have sex with them?

There are many aspects to a person that makes them attractive--not just looks. And a lot of pleasure can be had from someone that may not be the total package, but does still have a lot to offer. Just be realistic in your expectations. The more you widen that net, the more successful you will be in the dating world.

[eatNrM]

Learning how to F*ck is not rocket science, dear boy. Not that difficult. Going to a prostitute is not going to get him to "learn" anything. He won't learn how to satisfy or pleasure a woman that way. It's only a means for a man to get off on, and an unhealthy one at that. From what I have read, almost 100% of prostitutes have had at least one STD and some STDs are permanent, can be transmitted even without noticeable symptoms, and even when a condom is being used. Too big of a risk to take. And I have read that most men who go to prostitutes will, sooner or later, contract an STD. Could be the first time, could be at a later time. Most prostitutes, from what I have read and seen pictures of, are not beautiful. Some have implants. Big deal. Some are fat, some thin. Most are average looking. But what they all are is someone that has been used by pathetic desperate men. It's too bad that you find so little value in women, and consider them only a means to be used. There are many women out there who are interesting, intelligent, caring, and giving. They have a lot to offer a man. It's unfortunate that you have never come in contact with those types of women. If you have such a jaded opinion of women, I'm not surprised that you have never met someone of value.

 

Prostitutes are gold diggers. Don't kid yourself. They only want your money. They don't care about you, only your money. I feel a combination of pity and repulsion by prostitutes, not fear or competitiveness. They don't value themselves, their johns, or sex. They only value money. Prostitutes are no competition for real women, since most men do want relationships with real women. The few that don't want a relationship with a real woman, or would consider going to a prostitute, are not worth competing for. (No offense ). And just so you know, prostitutes don't have anything up on me. I provide all the beauty, physical attributes, and sex that my husband could ever want or need, along with caring, warmth and love. Something you will never get from a prostitute. Most men do desire the caring, warmth and love that comes from a real relationship. Most men have too much self esteem to lower themselves to pay for sex from some pathetic used prostitute. You are advising men to save their money, and then telling them to fly somewhere and spend it on prostitutes. How about they save their money from destructive behaviors, and spend it on something that will get them what they want in the long term, which is a relationship that involves more than just a quicky 1/2 hour with some used pathetic prostitute who only cares about their money.

 

Damn. So...anyone else turned on?

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Elysian Powder

The advice that is best is given by the men who know how women work. You're going to take this in a bad tone, but most guys - including the men who aren't good with women - know that what a woman says - if - it's about women and on dating, doesn't hold that much water.

 

Of coures I am going to take that in a bad tone. This attitude that women can't give advice on dating or how men relate to them is condesending to the extreme. It also tells me how little men that suggest such things, think of women. Being that you think so low of women, why would you even want to be with one.

 

Men should only pay attention to what men do and say, more nominally, in what the men with expertise on bedding women do, act, react, and talk - connected intimately to ''getting to know an individual woman''.

 

Then close your eyes and look away anytime you see a post of mine.

 

You don't ask the man who owns a car-stand how the motor functions; you ask that question to the mechanic, the man who spends all of his life figuring out everything about the car(s) he's fixing.

 

That's the most misognistic anology I've heard in a while. Women aren't cars and men certainly aren't mechanics. Insinuating that women are so seperate from their own bodies and mindes they need a third party to make it operate "right" is behind stupid.

 

 

Months later he has a girlfriend every week, several fwbs, and he doesn't have low-self esteem any more to contend with.

 

He's seeking his worth through those women. That's not what real men do. Real men also don't use women multiply and abuse them through this. If this makes you feel good as a man to do, then I feel sorry for how you see masculinity. Because I know it can be so much better then how you've defined it through your cousin.

 

 

No, you misunderstand me; I did not say that this is women's fault, only that the lack of understanding women have for what men are, want, or need prevents them from knowing that men, the diligent problem solvers, are either beckoning into Puaistry or using porn.

 

Other then your over inflated ideals about men vs women, these men can do either of those things you suggested all they want. Women that aren't interested in men don't care of these men go to hookers or use porn.

 

Hence the myriad of articles from women that claim an absolute lack of good men; the men they want, Alpha males, are fcking and dumping..

 

Funny, but men that use women aren't alphas. And i don't know to many women that really think they are. Infact, men that use women and define themselves through women, are really the most weak of men around. They pretend so many things to the outside world but underneath it's all a big facade. Real alpha men? Real alpha man don't play such games.

I stopped listening after this point. You're misogny knows no bounds. Good luck with that. We both know how miserable you really are.

 

And really...after that last misognistic comment of yours i stopped listening to anything else you have to say.

[KathyM]

Are you kidding me, a 55 year old virgin? Sorry, no man no matter what he says is going to prefer being a 55 year old virgin over sex with a prostitute, and if he does he's warped beyond belief.

 

There is absolutely no chance that a 55 year old male virgin can be completely content with his life. What kind of shape would your self-esteem be in if you were a 55 virgin? People love to give moral advice while sitting from their throne, but if you were in that situation you would absolutely hate it.

Some people value other things more than sex. This man happened to be a very religious man and had a very fulfilling life. A goal of having a relationship with a woman was just a part of his life. He has had relationships with very spiritual women in the past, and is currently in one with another very spiritual women. He has not been lacking in female companionship. And he doesn't seem to be particularly frustrated either. Some people don't focus solely on their sex organ, and are seeking something more profound.

[KathyM]

Learning how to have sex isn't a rocket science...for women. You don't have to find any clitoris or get it in the right hole, as many men struggle with their first few times

 

Response:

 

It's really not that difficult. With all the information out there, you don't need to stoop so low to figure that out.

 

Most men want to have sex with women. That isn't a crime and nobody but perhaps the weakest manginas is going to apologize to you for that.

 

There may be some women who are interesting , intelligent, caring, etc, but my question is are they single ? If they are single, do they think I'm attractive enough to give me a shot.

 

Response:

 

There are single women who are all of those things. You just have to know where to look for them, and widen your areas of hunting.

 

Banging hookers is the last resort for men, a lot of us would prefer to have a girlfriend. This isn't about valuing women, it's about the fact that women are pretty damn shallow.

Response:

 

Some women are shallow. Most are not.

 

 

 

 

 

Your perfect amazing husband would likely use prostitutes too if it was legal, regulated, and he had no other choice. There is a whole world men are in that you will never know anything about and you obviously have no idea how the male mind works.

 

Response:

 

You don't know my husband. And he would never jeopardize our relationship by going to a prostitute. And I have read interviews of men and percentages of men as to how many would consider going to a prostitute and how many have gone to a prostitute. Most say that they would never consider it because of the risk of getting an STD, because of the potential legal consequences, and because they think it is repulsive.

 

If you go to places where prostitution is legal, I would say atleast 75-90% of the men in those nations have slept with a prostitute at some point. Even the "hot guys" you think are so high above that will do it

 

Response:

 

I don't know where you are getting your percentages from, but I do agree that percentages vary between countries.

 

Come back down to earth, instead of on your Oprah invented cloud. I'm sure there are many manginas in America who have "moral issues" with sleeping with a prostitute, and that's their business, but moralizing against guys like me just because we don't like being celibate against our will 2 years in a row is retarded.

I'm just saying, going that route is not a good plan, because of the potential consequences, and because it won't get you what you want in the long run, if what you are seeking is an actual relationship with a woman.

Edited September 28, 2011 by KathyM

[Wolf18]

Some people value other things more than sex. This man happened to be a very religious man and had a very fulfilling life. A goal of having a relationship with a woman was just a part of his life. He has had relationships with very spiritual women in the past, and is currently in one with another very spiritual women. He has not been lacking in female companionship. And he doesn't seem to be particularly frustrated either. Some people don't focus solely on their sex organ, and are seeking something more profound.

 

 

I admire those who seek spiritual enlightenment through celibacy and support their efforts 100%. Ditto for those who fast or take vows of poverty.

 

However, not everyone likes being celibate against their will. And it doesn't mean you hate women if you wish to procure the services of a prostitute. Sometimes you just don't have the option to take care of a very natural need.