Why are all the good, decent women unattractive?

[mimi0297]

It seems to me like you're more interested in looks (which is fine) than a personality, otherwise you wouldn't mind the average looking girls. Also, if you 're trying to find a girl who doesn't drink, but you're hanging out at the bar, then you're looking in the wrong places my friend. You should resemble who/what you want for yourself, be patient, and not be judgmental because I'm sure there are people who don't think that you're the epitome of good-looks. Good luck!

[OnyxSnowfall]

Usually in real life I will just keep it bolted in and keep my views to myself unless asked to disclose a particular opinion on something.

 

So, perhaps you have passive aggressive traits (until you're pushed too far?)

 

That's their problem, not mine.

 

Well, ultimately, this is true. But it is also inconsiderate and rude and... yes (I've been rude on here ). SOMETHING within you doesn't care if you ruffle up someone's emotions through a screen (or beyond), but there's something behind the other person that's allowing it to affect them so much. Negativity could be a catalyst that helps them calm down, but it could also be one that adds to cementing their hardships.

 

You do yourself a disservice by thinking like that.

 

Wolfy does? I agree =P

 

I am happy being single and on my own, I am a happy man.

 

I don't know if happy men come onto forums and put others down so much LOL, I think that could offer them temporary "pain relief"... I don't think it's a pattern of sincere happiness --- but I suppose anything's possible.

 

I think perhaps you want to believe you are fine with your situation... but maybe the truth is just leaking out in other ways. It's still better to attempt to tell yourself otherwise and make sure you're redirecting yourself to what will be the most beneficial and productive which is... I agree, to focus on yourself and be content with your current circumstances.

 

But I dunno if denial will help someone improve...

[OnyxSnowfall]

What you've quoted there is three quotations taken out of context. The first one was sarcastic, humorous comment that made me laugh. The second one was uncalled for and outline, so I apologise and the third comment is one trait that I am unhappy about and trying to change. I can when I am angry lash out with my tongue and my mouth. I am not proud of this fact, but I react that way as a defense mechanism. If a girl emotionally wounds me then I automatically react trying to inflict emotional hurt on her by lashing it out, it's the same with men too, I react like to anybody when I feel under attack.

 

I laughed when I read the "stinky grits" part, lol, but that doesn't mean it wasn't rude (I laughed at the "to be fair, you brought it on by..." comment too :X, but it doesn't change that it was tasteless lol... and possibly at someone else's expense).

 

In regards to the third one, it's respectable that you're aware of it and actually desire to improve it. It's obvious we all have flaws, I'm not going to pretend I don't have any. Buuuuut, there's a source to them. It's easier to change something when we can identify where it's coming from...

 

You have a better idea of that than anyone else, even if you're unsure of it yourself.

[OnyxSnowfall]

I'm not passive aggressive in the slightest. I'd much rather get on with people than have arguments and fallings out, shock horror! I'm a go-gether, if I want something enough I'll chase it and I won't give up on obtaining it, easily.

 

Ah, okay then

 

Are you attempting to tap into the workings of my mind? If you must know I am a little frustrated that application to join my country's military is taking far longer than expected and if you must know a girl I cared for a few months ago is no longer in my life and as much as I just cannot forgive her for the malicious lies she spread about me, I also miss her dearly and I suppose if there is any bitterness it will lie there. However apart from these two things I am otherwise a happy individual.

 

Makes sense... sorry to hear. I've missed people who've done some pretty abdominal things - damn the heart >B also, I hope your application process accelerates.

 

It comes from the fact I have short fuse and also a lack of discipline, it's not from bad parenting, it comes from being on the defensive a bit too much, but I am confident the military can help me tame that side of me and can help teach me the art of controlled aggression.

 

Kudos to your awareness and determination.

[skippercollector]

Define "unattractive" in a woman. I am curious.

Some suggestions

1. Overweight

2. Underweight

3. Too tall

4. Too short

5. Flat-chested

6. Nose out of proportion to the rest of the face

7. Round face with small features

8. Square face with masculine features

9. Too pale

10. Too dark

11. Wearing clothes that don't fit properly

12. Wearing clothes that don't enhance her assets

14. Poor hygiene

15. Doesn't shave enough

16. Out-of-style clothing and hairstyle

17. No makeup and unstyled hair

18. Too much makeup and 50s/60s/70s/80s hair

 

Also, please look at these diagrams of what is considered an attractive female face. You read a lot about symmetrical features, but it doesn't mean the two sides of the face; rather, it is the proportions from top to bottom.

http://www.beautyanalysis.com/mba_beautyranges_page.htm

[torn_curtain]

I agree. If all men started ignoring women it would take them down a tick, especially in NYC where even men who are good looking and have a lot to offer desperately chase after plain jane who in turn thinks she's too good. Women's attitude is a reflection of how men treat her, if you walk on all fours for a woman she's going to think it's because she's special (when in reality it's because you have a huge aching pain your balls that needs to be relieved).

 

If a guy is thirsty in the desert and someone is selling a bottle of water for 1,000 dollars, he will buy it. Things are only worth how much people assign value to them.

 

 

 

I don't want to compromise for it, I'm forced at gunpoint by feminazi society to comprimise for it. In a logical world, women and sex would be guaranteed to every man.

 

It's actually more the reverse. Men in NYC tend to have a lot of options, even guys who aren't that much of a catch. There are tons of attractive single women desperate for relationships.

[Woggle]

The truth is that both genders in NYC are shallow and superficial plus treat people like disposable rags. They also like to point the finger at the opposite sex for doing the same thing they do. There are few innocent people in that whole situation.

[Easyguy14]

It's actually more the reverse. Men in NYC tend to have a lot of options, even guys who aren't that much of a catch. There are tons of attractive single women desperate for relationships.

 

Im a single man with plenty to offer but I dont see what you're talking of? maybe they're afraid or uncomfortable with what I do for a living? unsure but my profession pays me VERY well so I dont see the problem really and Im sorely needed because us guys are limited in the business. anyway Im one to see that alot of attractive girls do frequent bars/clubs/lounges and the plain looking ones stick to libraries and museums. that's what I see.

[ChessPieceFace]

you were doing pretty well until you couldn't help but throw your politics into the mix. there is no grand conspiracy. what purpose would it serve? there isn't one.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

 

Aaron Russo relating his interactions with one of the Rockefellers (one of the families that owns the world and influences everyone and everything.) This issue was a side issue, not even the focus of the interview. Everything about this interview and this man appears genuine and sincere. And yes, there is a grand conspiracy and we're seeing the beginning of the endgame right now with the OWS movement.

 

Anyway, in short, they funded women's lib to accomplish 2 goals:

 

1.) Have women earn money and thus be taxed for it

2.) Erode the family unit so children would be more easily indoctrinated by the state

 

These aren't "my politics." Quite frankly I found this to be a shocking realization. Aaron Russo also found it to be a shocking realization. Growing up, I had always believed in the ideal notions of gender equality. This is one of the tactics of the elite, though: the trojan horse. Giving you what you think is a gift, when in reality it is part of the plan to destroy you.

 

Gay marriage is a more recent example of a trojan horse designed to further destroy traditional marriage and the traditional family.

 

See, things aren't always black and white. People just have an unfortunate tendency to polarize one way or the other, thinking things can be only either "good" or "bad" and not some mix. In reality, it's usually a mix.

 

Anyway, society is on the path to destruction, full-speed ahead.

[Sanman]

The truth is that both genders in NYC are shallow and superficial plus treat people like disposable rags. They also like to point the finger at the opposite sex for doing the same thing they do. There are few innocent people in that whole situation.

 

 

While I think that this is a little harsh, I do agree that dating in NYC is just in a sad state. Everyone here feels entitled to more than they are getting in the dating scene. Dating here is like playing ball in the NBA or taking a class at Harvard. Everyone who felt hot, talented, rich and expected the world at their feet finds that they are more average than they thought in NYC. The hot girl who moved here is now competing with actual models. Guys with good jobs are told that they need $100k jobs to be worthy of any woman with a college degree. People won't date you for even having your own place in Brooklyn or Queens instead of Manhattan(happened to me). Living life and dating cost an exorbitant amount here. Though I love it here and am a born and raised NYer, I am thinking of getting the hell out. This place is becoming more the fake movie/SATC image of NYC than the actual NYC everyday. As it is, Brooklyn reminds me more of the real NYC than Manhattan does now.

[Woggle]

While I think that this is a little harsh, I do agree that dating in NYC is just in a sad state. Everyone here feels entitled to more than they are getting in the dating scene. Dating here is like playing ball in the NBA or taking a class at Harvard. Everyone who felt hot, talented, rich and expected the world at their feet finds that they are more average than they thought in NYC. The hot girl who moved here is now competing with actual models. Guys with good jobs are told that they need $100k jobs to be worthy of any woman with a college degree. People won't date you for even having your own place in Brooklyn or Queens instead of Manhattan(happened to me). Living life and dating cost an exorbitant amount here. Though I love it here and am a born and raised NYer, I am thinking of getting the hell out. This place is becoming more the fake movie/SATC image of NYC than the actual NYC everyday. As it is, Brooklyn reminds me more of the real NYC than Manhattan does now.

 

I agree but than again maybe you can date women from outside of Manhattan. I am in NJ and I know more than few former New Yorkers who just got tired of what the city had become. The working class and real artistic aspects of the city that made it what it was are just dying. The kind of women who could look beautiful wearing what she bought in a thrift who are tough as nails on the outside but loyal as hell if you treat them right are sadly becoming less and less in NY even though they used to a staple of the city.

[mr_sexxxy]

I love NYC. The women are very direct and aggressive.

[Sanman]

I agree but than again maybe you can date women from outside of Manhattan. I am in NJ and I know more than few former New Yorkers who just got tired of what the city had become. The working class and real artistic aspects of the city that made it what it was are just dying. The kind of women who could look beautiful wearing what she bought in a thrift who are tough as nails on the outside but loyal as hell if you treat them right are sadly becoming less and less in NY even though they used to a staple of the city.

 

I do. My gf actually lives in another city. Even more of a reason that I want to leave NYC.

Edited October 12, 2011 by Sanman

[Shaun-Dro]

While I think that this is a little harsh, I do agree that dating in NYC is just in a sad state. Everyone here feels entitled to more than they are getting in the dating scene. Dating here is like playing ball in the NBA or taking a class at Harvard. Everyone who felt hot, talented, rich and expected the world at their feet finds that they are more average than they thought in NYC. The hot girl who moved here is now competing with actual models. Guys with good jobs are told that they need $100k jobs to be worthy of any woman with a college degree. People won't date you for even having your own place in Brooklyn or Queens instead of Manhattan(happened to me). Living life and dating cost an exorbitant amount here. Though I love it here and am a born and raised NYer, I am thinking of getting the hell out. This place is becoming more the fake movie/SATC image of NYC than the actual NYC everyday. As it is, Brooklyn reminds me more of the real NYC than Manhattan does now.

 

Only a man living here in this dump of a city, though masquerading as the hottest **** on earth, can empathize with what's really going on. I'm not a fool. I come from a highly educated family with wealth all over the place, so it ain't my imagination of what I'm seeing as well as thousands of other intelligent men. The women here are self-entitled and in denial, period!

 

I do plan to get up and leave this place. I'm not going to continue to stay here and adhere to a bunch of snot-nose women, ugly old maids, wicked teenagers, and corrupted police department for much longer.

[AHardDaysNight]

Wow, bitter much?

[Sanman]

Wow, bitter much?

 

Was that aimed at me or Shaun-Dro?

[Wolf18]

Only a man living here in this dump of a city, though masquerading as the hottest **** on earth, can empathize with what's really going on. I'm not a fool. I come from a highly educated family with wealth all over the place, so it ain't my imagination of what I'm seeing as well as thousands of other intelligent men. The women here are self-entitled and in denial, period!

 

I do plan to get up and leave this place. I'm not going to continue to stay here and adhere to a bunch of snot-nose women, ugly old maids, wicked teenagers, and corrupted police department for much longer.

 

Amen to that. If it wasn't for the fact my whole family and my friends live here, I would've been long gone a long time ago. The women living here are just one of many reasons why. This place caters to the vapid and avarice ridden.

[udolipixie]

I'm serious about this too. Maybe it's just a NY thing or whatever, but I'm noticing that all the women with great personalities are either over the hill or physically undesirable.

So either accept the average girl, unattractive girl, or old girl or move and see if it's just a NY thing.

 

Perhaps the women there are questioning why all good, decent men are unattractive, physically undesirable, or over the hill.

[udolipixie]

Well, always nice to have confirmation that no matter how good your personality, guys will still judge you based on your external appearance if you're a girl.

 

That's just how most men work.

 

In fact for most men their ideal dating scenario would be that he judges women on their appearance while women judge him on personality.

 

Look at how many guys approach the girls they find attractive yet get upset, claim high standards, or claim shallow that the girl rejected him based on attracted. Often times guys think that they should be given a chance and that it wouldn't hurt to date him. Apparently her attraction to him doesn't matter much and she judge him based on personality.

 

Odd since most guys say they approach by looks since you can't see personality...shouldn't rejecting by looks also work since you can't see personality.

 

Also odd..that these guys don't give the girls he thought were unattractive a chance or a try out by approaching them or asking them on a date.

[udolipixie]

Most men are not any uglier than most women

Actually science is showing that women evolve to be more attractive while men don't. University of Helsinki was one of the several studies.

 

Basically attractive women have more children than average/unattractive women and most of those children are daughters since attractive are 26% less likely to have sons (London School of Economics).

 

Being a little shorter than average, having a certain hair color or narrow shoulders makes you ugly to women, yet women can have all these traits (as well as the opposite like being tall) and still be beautiful.

Being a little shorter, hair color, and narrow shoulders = ugly to women....lmfao that's to some women

 

Women can have those traits and still be beautiful because most women are judged aesthetically based on their facial features, facial proportions, waist/hip ratio, and for men breast/butt shape/size. That criteria is used by most men in fact the waist/hip ratio is a subconscious and inherent thing in most men.

 

If you want to talk about aesthetics, then why don't you look at the female shape vs the male. The female shape is bovine like, like a cow, are cows beautiful or noble to look at? LOL.

If you're in America most men and women are cow shaped.

 

Also cows were gods to some people in history.

 

IF anything most women are ugly. We just make exceptions because we want 15 minutes in your damp hole.

How's your love life going?

 

I don't want to compromise for it, I'm forced at gunpoint by feminazi society to comprimise for it. In a logical world, women and sex would be guaranteed to every man.

 

In what way is that logical?

 

Or is it logical because it suits your needs....

 

If so then by that logic a woman can suit "in a logical world, men as atms would be guaranteed to every women".

 

Seems like you're just p*ssy that women don't have sex with you simply because you have a d*ck and that most would rather have sex because they want to f*ck the guy.

 

I agree. If all men started ignoring women it would take them down a tick,

Probably wouldn't.

 

Most women would only be upset that the guys the deem worthwhile are ignoring them. Considering how many guys on here complain that's only the top 10-20% and how women are already fighting for those male attention it wouldn't really be that different.

 

As for the attention/validation seeking women they would most likely go towards getting their ego trips from lesbians. Not a stretch since most women dress fashionably & wear makeup is to impress/compete with other females more often than dressing for male attention.

 

especially in NYC where even men who are good looking and have a lot to offer desperately chase after plain jane who in turn thinks she's too good.

Men's version of good looking & women's version of good looking often differ.

 

Things are only worth how much people assign value to them.

Also seems like you assigned the guy his value of having a lot to offer when in reality he may not have. Plus what you think he has to offer doesn't really matter since you're not the one he's pursuing.

 

Women's attitude is a reflection of how men treat her, if you walk on all fours for a woman she's going to think it's because she's special (when in reality it's because you have a huge aching pain your balls that needs to be relieved).

 

LMFAO you just gave women a valid bs excuse to not date nice guys.

 

Thanks to that women can state that if a guy treats her nicely, well, or as if she's special then he just wants to use her as a cum receptacle.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

That's just how most men work.

 

In fact for most men their ideal dating scenario would be that he judges women on their appearance while women judge him on personality.

 

Look at how many guys approach the girls they find attractive yet get upset, claim high standards, or claim shallow that the girl rejected him based on attracted. Often times guys think that they should be given a chance and that it wouldn't hurt to date him. Apparently her attraction to him doesn't matter much and she judge him based on personality.

 

Odd since most guys say they approach by looks since you can't see personality...shouldn't rejecting by looks also work since you can't see personality.

 

Also odd..that these guys don't give the girls he thought were unattractive a chance or a try out by approaching them or asking them on a date.

 

 

Udolipixie perfectly described what the real issue is.

[chucksagent]

C'mon. Don't waste people's time on here people.

 

We all KNOW there is a sterotype that good looking people are more often times less intelligent, less funny, less hard working, and have worse personalities.

 

I completely agree with Onyxsnowfall, that this happens because good looking people are ALWAYS handed stuff. Studies have been done people by Harvard and University of Michigan that even as small children, parents have a harder time saying no and punishing cute babies over less cute babies. This is not a point for debate - studies have been done.

 

A natural part of growth is action and consequence. My mother was VERY good to me. Got me the video games I wanted, let me go outside and play with my friends, etc. BUT, if I misbehaved or disrespected, I would be grounded and confined to the house wit NO VIDEO GAMES. I learned early and often about actions and consequences.

 

My best friend and my girlfriend are prime examples. Both INCREDIBLY good looking people and both have told me seperately they were NEVER grounded growing up. Now, this bit of date MAY be skewed because they both happen to be the babies of their respective families. I've spoken to their older siblings, and much like in my family, they were babied and never got grounded but the older siblings did. My younger brother is MUCH better looking than me (dates the prettiest girl in school) and he NEVER gets grounded EVER. And we have the same mother. But this could ALSO be skewed because my mother and step father got divorced a few years ago so it could be divorce guilt letting him get away with stuff.

 

But there DEF exhists enough data to take a serious look at attractive people not being as intelligent. Just look at the supreme court! LMAO.

[danmorisson]

And it makes sense that good-looking people tend to be the arseholes, less caring etc, most notably the ones that were good-looking from a very young age, had it all, the love and attention when the brain is still developing...

[Disenchantedly Yours]

That's not it at all, I expect a woman to judge me on everything and if I am not what she is looking for then I am not what she is looking for and I can accept that. However Pixie fails to acknowledge that women are also pretty much identical in their perferences as man are in theirs. Women brand men shallow because of their perferences and yet women also have their perferences but that seems okay. Many women don't like short men, yet I don't sit there and whinge about it. Men and women are not all that dissimiliar when it comes to choosing a partner etc. We all want the same things.

 

Acutally, while women do have certain perferences, women are more likely to defer on said perferences if the man makes her feel a certain positive way. Which is why you are more likely to see an ugly man with a beautiful woman then you are the reverse. I'm not claiming that women don't like tall, dark and handsome. I just don't think women place nearly the importance on it when push comes to shove. I also don't think most women are sitting around waiting for Mr. 6 figures.

[mr_sexxxy]

Forgive me in advance, but anyone upset with NYC as a dating market is truly an idiot.