AHardDaysNight Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I guess it's important to be thought of as above-average even on an anonymous internet forum, huh? Good point. A lot of guys could probably get a girl if they just thought of themselves as above average. Including me. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Long short short: ask any woman if she's rather be beautiful or average (while keeping her current personality), and the woman will say "beautiful" every time. This is quite true. The complaining sounds a little self-serving to me. Really, it's easy to not be beautiful, if one would really rather be that way. Link to post Share on other sites
mesmerized Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Difference is, a good unattractive man has a chance if he has something to make up for his physical looks... money, charisma, humor, what have you. Unattractive women? No such opportunity. The best an unattractive woman can do is be "confident" and maybe some guy will think she's "cute" and settle for her cause all of the good-looking women have rejected him. I'd choose being born an unattractive male with a good personality over an unattractive woman with a good personality any day. yeah he has a better chance than women do, but my guess is that most of the women he has a chance with don't have a high sex drive. Or they are with the guy but they are not necessarily sexually attracted to him. In any case, it's not smart to deny that looks matter for men a lot too. That's why there is no hot guy on this forum complaining of being a virgin. Link to post Share on other sites
ShannonMI Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 They probably have it harder, because they're more picky. And therefore, they only date the players, and end up getting hurt. The good guys, meanwhile, are left on the sidelines scratching their heads and looking up at God, asking "why?" Do you change your profile pic every 5 minutes? Everytime I come across one of your posts, it's something different. Link to post Share on other sites
AHardDaysNight Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Do you change your profile pic every 5 minutes? Everytime I come across one of your posts, it's something different. Yeah, I was debating on whether to be like you and others, and put my real pic on my avatar. Then I had it on my profile pic, then back on my avatar. Now I have Peter Gabriel as my avatar (Peter Gabriel and John Lennon are my idols, as well as the woman who's in my profile pic), and Sarah McLachlan is my profile pic. Link to post Share on other sites
ShannonMI Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Yeah, I was debating on whether to be like you and others, and put my real pic on my avatar. Then I had it on my profile pic, then back on my avatar. Now I have Peter Gabriel as my avatar (Peter Gabriel and John Lennon are my idols, as well as the woman who's in my profile pic), and Sarah McLachlan is my profile pic. Sarah McLauchlan is beautiful Link to post Share on other sites
AHardDaysNight Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Sarah McLauchlan is beautiful Yes she is, and extremely talented, too. Also a lovely, lovely person. I saw her concert last year, and had the great fortune to meet her. She is extremely down to earth and nice. If there wasn't such a difference in ages, and she wasn't a celebrity, I'd have a crush on her. She is naturally beautiful, no makeup needed! (And also naturally talented, too.) Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Unattractive women have plenty of chances to meet men. Go to the supermarket and see how many downright ugly people of both genders are with their kids and you will see that looks don't really matter that much if you want somebody. Somebody had sex with them. Link to post Share on other sites
ShannonMI Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Yes she is, and extremely talented, too. Also a lovely, lovely person. I saw her concert last year, and had the great fortune to meet her. She is extremely down to earth and nice. If there wasn't such a difference in ages, and she wasn't a celebrity, I'd have a crush on her. She is naturally beautiful, no makeup needed! (And also naturally talented, too.) Yes, I have a couple of her CD's. Her voice is amazing. Link to post Share on other sites
ShannonMI Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Unattractive women have plenty of chances to meet men. Go to the supermarket and see how many downright ugly people of both genders are with their kids and you will see that looks don't really matter that much if you want somebody. Somebody had sex with them. So true. Theres an @ss for every seat! Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Going to the grocery store and watching people will make you feel better about yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
AHardDaysNight Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Yes, I have a couple of her CD's. Her voice is amazing. She sounds even better live. Anyway, I think we've both derailed this thread enough, so... Quite possibly. I don't hate women, I hate the rise of feminism, there lies the difference between me and you. I know that women are not coherently evil, but the dogma of feminism is the real evil. I never hate on women, they are beautiful creatures, I love every inch of them, but feminism? No, that's been hijacked by raving lunatics hell bent on telling me that my hairy nipples are a crime against humanity and must be waxed off via the Hague in an instant. The thing you have to understand is that there are different types of feminism. It ranges from women who just want equal rights and equal pay to men, and are fine with porn and free casual sex. Then there are the radical feminists that hate men and their sex drives, are conservatively minded, and are always trying to get pornography and prostitution banned. These include the woman who said that "other than a penis, a man serves no real purpose." I can understand if you hate the second type, because I do, too. However, throwing all feminists together under an umbrella, when there are at least 7 different types, is close minded and frankly rather ignorant. Link to post Share on other sites
ShannonMI Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Going to the grocery store and watching people will make you feel better about yourself. Especially Walmart. White Trash Central is what I call that place:laugh: Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Especially Walmart. White Trash Central is what I call that place:laugh: It is not as bad as my local Shop-Rite. I only go there because the sales are great and they have good meat and produce. I always seem to get stuck behind some gross loudmouth in line complaining that they won't their expired coupons and arguing over everything with the cashier. Link to post Share on other sites
ShannonMI Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 No doubt you laugh at dying Africans on the telvision as well, what with them being a lot less fortunate than yourself? I bet you don't laugh at deadbeat black trash or latin trash in the same way do you? I never laugh at anyone less educated or fortunate than myself. I don't laugh at the starving Africans on TV, no. I do laugh at the fat white trash slobs at Walmart though. Sure do! :laugh:The Africans can't help their circumstances, the WT at Walmart can. Link to post Share on other sites
AHardDaysNight Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I hate WalMart, but not because of the people that go there. I hate it, because I have an Aunt who works there, and they are nasty to their workers. I hate it because they censor music, movies, and books. I hate it because usually anything bought there breaks right after you buy it. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Sarah McLauchlan is not my thing. Too folky for my tastes. I like my music rough and with oomph. Feminism is not a bad thing but I agree the misandrists have completely ruined it's image. They are to feminism what the religious right is to christianity and what the jihadists are to islam. Link to post Share on other sites
mesmerized Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 Quite possibly. I don't hate women, I hate the rise of feminism, there lies the difference between me and you. I know that women are not coherently evil, but the dogma of feminism is the real evil. I never hate on women, they are beautiful creatures, I love every inch of them, but feminism? No, that's been hijacked by raving lunatics hell bent on telling me that my hairy nipples are a crime against humanity and must be waxed off via the Hague in an instant. What are you talking about? If you "hate" feminism, that means you hate women's right of having a choice of how to live their lives, vote etc...just because you like a woman's vagina doesn't mean you like women. Honestly, the men on this forum are a perfect example of why "men are logical by nature" is an absolute BS. You guys seem to say just whatever comes to your minds, usually influenced by some kind of emotion rather than deep, rational thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites
AHardDaysNight Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 But bro, prior to the invention of the abnormality called feminism, knights locked their daughter's genitals with Chastity belts. Wouldn't a woman educated by the austere church and by her doting father be more likely to not partake in sexual behavior than women touched by feminism? Still in every society that treasured female virginity, women were guarded by their fathers and brothers. To this day this still rings true. My religious neighbors don't allow their daughters to be near me and the young women despite of their traditional upbringing still react like a child of feminism would - all that prevents a woman from falling for a cad is a tyrannic father. That was in an age where religious doctrine won over everything. Even common sense. Back then, women were considered whores if they weren't virgins. Nowadays, if they're a virgin, they're considered an abnormality, and "something is mighty wrong there." However, things have changed, and some for better, some for worse. Christianity is a big joke among the majority of people today (and who can blame them, with famous figures like Palin and Michelle Bachmann making it look bad?) Learning to love someone isn't as important as learning to ****** someone...just look at all the pickup manuals that are out there. Are there any there for building relationships? Well, there might be, if you shop in the women's relationship oriented books section. Feminism has just made it worse, I agree. But I disagree on the aspect of how it's made it worse. It's made it easier for the women who are easy to meet players, but has made it tougher for the men and the women who want genuine, loving relationships. We have to wade through the trash of easy men and women, to find someone who actually accepts and loves us for who we are. That is why virginity isn't respected...not because virgins are disrespectful, but because society has changed to respect the word of the easy guys and girls over the respectable guys and girls. Sex is either seen in prudish terms, or is seen as something animalistic and without love - there is no in-between. Attractive men and women are only seen as sex objects, and unattractive men and women are ignored or even ridiculed. Society has changed, but it's not because of what feminism started off as. It's because of what it's become. Women should have rights, and they should have equal pay and be treated with respect by men. But this shouldn't be reversed to throwing all our morals and values out the window. Link to post Share on other sites
ThsAmericanLife Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 The more attractive a woman is, the less likely she is to keep guys she doesn’t like around for attention because she is less likely to get a self esteem boost from male attention. Yep. This reminds me of a funny story... I was walking down the street in New Orleans on my way to a conference a few years ago. I was wearing a skirt (not tight, but it showed my figure). A gentleman came up beside me and started walking next to me... checking me out.. I smiled at him with a 'whassup?" kind of smile. He says... "You've got a big one" (as he looked down at my butt... with an appreciative grin). I said "Yes... and tell me something I don't know." Also, with a grin and a wink. He laughed SO loud! I bet he didn't expect this white girl to give it back.. We walked together a bit longer... chatting about the weather a bit, then he turned down another street... Another day... I'm walking down the hallway at work. Two men are walking towards me... one of them I know. They are sizing me up and chatting to each other as they approach. One of them says "You look very NICE today." I say... "Ah well.... Just doing my best to improve the scenery"... and smile back. Good times... Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun-Dro Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 I had to think of this situation tonight: A friend of mine is very beautiful (in a natural way, she doesn't wear lots of make up and she's not arrogant at all). She met her boyfriend at work. He's a very kind and nice guy, but also a bit insecure/shy. She was the one to ask him out. Now that they're in a relationship, he has told her that he had a crush on her all the time and found her very beautiful, but he never dared to ask her out because: 1) he thought she was very beautiful and because of that, he asumed she probably was in a relationship already and 2) he thought he wouldn't meet her standards because she was good looking. So he didn't even try. If she hadn't asked him out, he said, they probably wouldn't be in a relationship. I'm just wondering if this happens a lot to good looking women, who are looking for a serious relationship: Decent/sweet guys who are also a bit shy won't approach them because of their beauty. I think beautiful girls can get a lot of guys, but most of them aren't 'relationship material'...because the really nice and genuine ones don't have the guts to approach them or think she's already dating someone. Agree or disagree? Have you noticed this happening around you? Do you know any pretty girls who get approached a lot but never by decent/nice guys? guys who are 'relationship material'? Do you know any good looking women who are single for a long time because of this? I'm mainly talking about situations outside clubs/bars. I'm talking about work/college/classes etc. for example This thread is hogwash! No universally beautiful woman (great body, great long hair, clear soft skin, young) asks out a man first. EVER! This doesn't happen in real life, only the movies, so I've dispelled this thread as bogus. Link to post Share on other sites
Author SpleenPoetry Posted October 8, 2011 Author Share Posted October 8, 2011 Of course, the kicker to this story is that if the girl hadn't been beautiful, the nice/shy guy wouldn't have noticed her... So, actually, it was her beauty that won her the relationship (I'm sure her nice personality helped, but it seems he was drawn to her physically first and THEN discovered after she asked him out that she was more than a pretty face.) well, they had worked together for 1,5 years and they got along well so even if she were average, he might have noticed her anyway because she was nice to have a conversation with? Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun-Dro Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 LOL.... you're probably right for a variety of reasons... but be careful not to generalize in case you have an opportunity to know a non socially retarded beautiful woman. I'm beautiful. I know people aren't supposed to say that about themselves, but I hear this all the time and at this point there would be something wrong with me if I couldn't also acknowledge it myself. I was an ugly duckling so I suppose I had to develop some other qualities so my parents would continue to feed me Yea, I find it true that it's mostly egotistical guys or guys who have nothing to lose who approach me. There have been a lot of cases where I thought a really hot, interesting guy was rejecting me, when in fact, he was assuming he didn't have a chance. There's so much pressure on guys to be initiators, and rejection can be terrifying. Now, there's no way I'll limit myself to picking from the guys who approach. I peg a guy *I* like and go up and give him a high 5 or compliment his beard or something. They'll take it from there if they want to.... I've given the green light, and they can now pass safely through the rejection free zone. Women have no idea the power they have if they could just walk up to a guy, have a down to earth conversation, give a guy a little compliment, and take the risk of rejection themselves. It can send your dating options through the roof. The problem for a lot of people is that it's an emotional risk... I mean... if I got all of my self esteem from being beautiful and desirable, then it could be a crushing threat to all that I am if I were to show interest in a man and have him reject me. In my case, sometimes it does bruise the ego a bit when he doesn't take the bait , but you know what? I don't mind making a guy feel a little bit more desirable than he felt earlier that day... even if the interest isn't mutual. Long story short: Don't wait to be approached! I suggest that all women start choosing the guys THEY want to meet, and go make it happen! The guys will be happy you did too While this sounds great and encouraging, it just doesn't happen in the real world, nor will it ever. Sure, you'll get ugly ducklings giving the green light, but not the babes, because they know they don't have to, and no one will be able to convince them otherwise until they become has-beens. Link to post Share on other sites
Carlos S Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I wonder if you can tell just by looking in the mirror Call me naive, but I have to say that I've always been envious of absolutely stunning women. It's as if they have some kind of special power And yes, I've been afraid to approach a girl because I think she has to be taken, or that she's pestered all the time. (But that's good, because I would never have considered myself boyfriend material anyway.) Because of that, I have a hard time genuinely believing that you have it harder, and I genuinely that you should feel really grateful and that all of the "downsides" are fairly minor. All I can say that is I won't have an issue approaching you if I'm interested, wherever you are Link to post Share on other sites
LynnieBear Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I had to think of this situation tonight: A friend of mine is very beautiful (in a natural way, she doesn't wear lots of make up and she's not arrogant at all). She met her boyfriend at work. He's a very kind and nice guy, but also a bit insecure/shy. She was the one to ask him out. Now that they're in a relationship, he has told her that he had a crush on her all the time and found her very beautiful, but he never dared to ask her out because: 1) he thought she was very beautiful and because of that, he asumed she probably was in a relationship already and 2) he thought he wouldn't meet her standards because she was good looking. So he didn't even try. If she hadn't asked him out, he said, they probably wouldn't be in a relationship. I'm just wondering if this happens a lot to good looking women, who are looking for a serious relationship: Decent/sweet guys who are also a bit shy won't approach them because of their beauty. I think beautiful girls can get a lot of guys, but most of them aren't 'relationship material'...because the really nice and genuine ones don't have the guts to approach them or think she's already dating someone. Agree or disagree? Have you noticed this happening around you? Do you know any pretty girls who get approached a lot but never by decent/nice guys? guys who are 'relationship material'? Do you know any good looking women who are single for a long time because of this? I'm mainly talking about situations outside clubs/bars. I'm talking about work/college/classes etc. for example Yeah, I do know girls like this. Myself. No, seriously... Link to post Share on other sites
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