Why women love bastards, rakes and players?

[stillafool]

Why does anyone even care what others like? Why can't people just accept that people like different things and if someone is attracted to someone else who you think is wrong, remember it's none of your business and to stay on track in seeking the one who fits your personality and what you want in a partner. How is getting upset over others choices helping you?

[Mrlonelyone]

@ still a fool

 

I dont care what others like at all. It's just fascinating to me that far too many young women are unable to see through the false bravado and really obvious games being ran by men. Women who come here wondering what the problem is and then we have to tell them....they have a bad people picker.

 

With this thread I hope to dissect just what that means to have a bad people picker.

[blondike]

Okay, maybe I didn't mean challenge to duels in like a realistic sense, I mean like I met this really, nerdy guy and he was flat out rude and he thought he knew everything there is to know about life in general, which is just obnoxious.

 

So one day, I asked him point blank to show me the type of girls he liked because I just knew who he was going to pick out and I just knew he would think he knew the type of guy I would pick out and be completely off the margin.So I asked him but he got real shy and walked away from me refusing to answer the question, but anyway. I knew who he was going to pick out of the crowd. Nerdy men never pick women that are in their bracket. All nerdy guys think they are average, when they really aren't; they may be ugly and then want to date one of the hottest girls in school, and become frustrated when she's not sexually attracted to him, and not only that, he could be rude. Like one day, I was drinking and having a good time with my friends, and he made a stupid comment about how my hair looked and that really hurt my feeliings. You just don't talk about a woman's hair like that, so I got up and left and he apologized to me over and over but I wasn't buying it because I knew he was one of those nerdy men who think they are soo special when really they aren't

 

I just feel that rakes and dangerous men don't make stupid comments like that about a woman's hair, when his hair isn't the silkiest thing on the planet. Rakes and bastards are very real and they speak their mind and they tell you how it is; you can learn something from them. They tend to be much wiser than the nerds who all they have is a chemistry equation stuck in their head; they can't tell a nipple from a watermelon and that's why. Rakes and bastards aren't smart but they have experienced stuff and nerdy boys just sit and pout over their stuff all day.

[stillafool]

xxoo

 

Yes to many quality men they want a simmilar quality woman. That means no serious baggage.

 

The what kind of baggage is okay?

 

Equal education to himself. Why should a JD settle down for someone with an AS or just high school?

 

No JD is going to marry someone with just a HS diploma or AS for that matter.

 

 

A good career that is at least on track.

 

Why do men who want a SAHM require this?

 

Yet, as others have pointed out, our youth culture encourages behaviors which will limit one's long term potentials and choices.

 

Not all women want to marry a boring doctor.

 

 

Women pass the same judgements on men who say...live at home no matter the detailed circumstances.

 

 

Are you saying women should live at home until they marry? If so, why?

[carhill]

Are you saying women should live at home until they marry? If so, why?

I think the OP was referring to this thread where a middle-class man living at home with his apparently solvent and healthy parents is being questioned regarding viability for dating/relationship.

 

OP, thanks for the description you gave regarding 'rakes'; I hadn't heard that word in a long time and they're a segment of the population which often flies under the radar of scrutiny.

 

I was thinking, while reading the posts questioning your motivations here, that working in such finite science as mathematics and the cosmos, it's nice to take a vacation into the subjective once in awhile. Flexes the 'what if' muscles.

[Woggle]

At the end of the day the rakes and players are not the ones who will be out there curing diseases and inventing things that change the world. The bad boys have to find ways to make money illegally because they don't have the brains to do it legally.

[Mrlonelyone]

Kind of like Steve Jobs in 1976 vs Jobs in 1986. At which point would he have had trouble with women 76 or 86?

[Woggle]

Kind of like Steve Jobs in 1976 vs Jobs in 1986. At which point would he have had trouble with women 76 or 86?

 

Bill Gates too. Let's see where The Situation is in ten years.

[Quiet Storm]

I think it has to do with "chemistry".

 

Even though some may fake it, most bad boy types have this swagger and attitude that young girls find hot. They are more exciting.

 

I also think bad boy types are much more likely to be risk takers. They go after what they want, no bones about it. They are what they are, and don't feel the need to explain themselves to anyone. They don't conform, which can be hot when you're young.

 

You know how I noticed my husband? I was fifteen and in gym class. The rule in gym was that you had to wear socks with your shoes. My H refused to wear socks. He would sit on the sidelines and get an F for the day rather than put a pair of socks on.

 

It sounds so stupid now, but in my fifteen year old mind...that was hot. He refused to conform, and that made me notice him. It piqued my interest.

 

Since bad boy types are risk takers, they are much more likely to approach the girls that they want, so they usually always have a girlfriend. They don't wait around for a girl to find him.

 

Many women like when the man is the pursuer. A very large part of "feeling like a woman" is her desirability. Bad boy types make you feel very wanted (until they have you, anyways). They aren't shy and don't trip over their words. They got game.

 

In bed, they go for what they want. They aren't saying "Ummm, I think I really would like to try doggie style. Is that okay with you?".

 

Bad boys grab you and flip you over and do doggie style and whisper in your ear "You like that, don't you".

 

They aren't all bad, either. They have genuine feelings, and it makes a young girl feel special when their man is hard and tough to the outside world, but soft and tender with her.

[xxoo]

xxoo

 

Yes to many quality men they want a simmilar quality woman. That means no serious baggage.

 

No children of other men to support who have no father in their lives until him.

 

Equal education to himself. Why should a JD settle down for someone with an AS or just high school?

 

Why doesn't JD date a nice single lawyer, or law student? Are you suggesting that serious, career-minded women in their 30s are dating drug dealers??

 

This boggles the mind. Seriously, the problem is not the absence of bastardly, rakish, or player behavior. Men like JD have their pick of women!

 

I think it is likely that JD is attracted to the wilder type, and creating his own dating issues.

[Woggle]

Why doesn't JD date a nice single lawyer, or law student? Are you suggesting that serious, career-minded women in their 30s are dating drug dealers??

 

This boggles the mind. Seriously, the problem is not the absence of bastardly, rakish, or player behavior. Men like JD have their pick of women!

 

I think it is likely that JD is attracted to the wilder type, and creating his own dating issues.

 

There are serious, career minded women dating drug dealers. I know several that are.

[Mrlonelyone]

I think it has to do with "chemistry".

 

Even though some may fake it, most bad boy types have this swagger and attitude that young girls find hot. They are more exciting.

 

I also think bad boy types are much more likely to be risk takers. They go after what they want, no bones about it. They are what they are, and don't feel the need to explain themselves to anyone. They don't conform, which can be hot when you're young.

 

You know how I noticed my husband? I was fifteen and in gym class. The rule in gym was that you had to wear socks with your shoes. My H refused to wear socks. He would sit on the sidelines and get an F for the day rather than put a pair of socks on.

 

It sounds so stupid now, but in my fifteen year old mind...that was hot. He refused to conform, and that made me notice him. It piqued my interest.

 

Since bad boy types are risk takers, they are much more likely to approach the girls that they want, so they usually always have a girlfriend. They don't wait around for a girl to find him.

 

Many women like when the man is the pursuer. A very large part of "feeling like a woman" is her desirability. Bad boy types make you feel very wanted (until they have you, anyways). They aren't shy and don't trip over their words. They got game.

 

In bed, they go for what they want. They aren't saying "Ummm, I think I really would like to try doggie style. Is that okay with you?".

 

Bad boys grab you and flip you over and do doggie style and whisper in your ear "You like that, don't you".

 

They aren't all bad, either. They have genuine feelings, and it makes a young girl feel special when their man is hard and tough to the outside world, but soft and tender with her.

 

While your point is duely noted this thread is not about bad boy/jerk VS so called "nice guys".

 

I am talking about guys who are true scumbags not just a little not wearing socks edgy. The kind of guys I'm talking about don't finish highschool because they figure drug dealing is all they need (Bastards). They go to college, even an ivy league college, but waste parents money studying underwater basket weaving or for an MBA and use coeds like harem girls (Rakes). They play to peoples emotions to get what they want (Players).

 

Not men like your husband. Plenty of women can't distinguish between the two. Heck too many young women now a days would think your husband was too nice for even showing up at school.

 

I also don't think the guys who are chronically single and involuntarily celibate here are that way for lack of trying and trying. Mostly they come here to vent frustrations from all that looking and trying to no avail.

[xxoo]

There are serious, career minded women dating drug dealers. I know several that are.

 

I don't know a single one. I'm sure they exist, but it is not common in my experience.

 

But Woggle, do you believe that there is a huge problem for guys with high educations and prestigious jobs finding a date?

[Mrlonelyone]

xxoo

 

No JD isn't attracted to the wilder type. The problem is supposedly reformed wild women who didn't give JD the time of day before he got his JD.... suddenly want him to take care of their three kids by two different men.

 

 

You do realize that GED and JD aren't actual people. :/ Those were just hypothetical examples based as woggle noted, on a number of real people and situations.

[AHardDaysNight]

Nerds also refuse to conform.

 

I was the only one in my high school, other than another dude, who had long hair. We both were considered outcasts, but the other dude had a girlfriend.

 

I never played by the rules, and I've learned through doing that that all of my friends who did...well, they progressed, got girlfriends, got married, had children...

 

All the while, I get to be the non-conformist that is too odd to be a boyfriend.

[Woggle]

I don't know a single one. I'm sure they exist, but it is not common in my experience.

 

But Woggle, do you believe that there is a huge problem for guys with high educations and prestigious jobs finding a date?

 

It depends. If they are law abiding straight flying kind of guys then yes.

[Mrlonelyone]

I don't know a single one. I'm sure they exist, but it is not common in my experience.

 

But Woggle, do you believe that there is a huge problem for guys with high educations and prestigious jobs finding a date?

 

You didn't ask me but no. They don't have trouble finding a date. The trouble is such men are looking for a quality partner.

 

That problem is related to this thread, because the kind of young immature woman I describe makes bad choices that have life long consequences. Then does so again and again and again.

 

Then when they are no longer young, immature, and incidentally not as good looking, suddenly they want Mr. stability.

 

God forgives, people don't.

 

It depends. If they are law abiding straight flying kind of guys then yes.

 

For far too many women that seems to be a disqualifier. Heck if JD is embezzeling funds or trying to

. That white collar crime is just not as exciting. Edited October 25, 2011 by Mrlonelyone

[Quiet Storm]

But even though my husband isn't a drug dealer, I think the attraction was still based on him being a nonconformist. There may be different levels of refusing to conform (from not wearing socks to being a drug dealer), but it's that nonconformity that sparks a woman's interest.

 

So I don't think the attraction has much to do with criminality, but is more about the quality of being different and not doing what society expects you to do. Drug dealers get a lot of chicks, but so do long haired, tatooed bikers that have toy drives for poor kids.

 

As for true "scumbags" that treat their woman badly and she chooses to stay with him...that is more about the woman than the scumbag. She would be one that has "issues". I do agree that after bailing him out of jail countless times, she may realize the error of her ways and look for a better guy.

Edited October 25, 2011 by Quiet Storm

[Metis]

That problem is related to this thread, because the kind of young immature woman I describe makes bad choices that have life long consequences. Then does so again and again and again.

 

Then when they are no longer young, immature, and incidentally not as good looking, suddenly they want Mr. stability.

 

God forgives, people don't.

 

So what? There are people of all stripes. What do you have to say to the kind of young immature man who makes bad choices that have life-long consequences, then does so again and again and again? Then when they are no longer young, immature, and incidentally not as good looking, suddenly they want Ms. Stability/Good Mother/Virgin.

 

Oh, right. For those men, there is always the mail-order bride route. Plus, thank God our society is soooo understanding and open minded about men's "mistakes".

 

People do forgive, you see, when convention dictates that they do so.

 

For far too many women that seems to be a disqualifier. Heck if JD is embezzeling funds or trying to

. That white collar crime is just not as exciting.

 

I don't know what women you are talking about. I am a lawyer, and virtually all of my male colleagues, across all age groups, are married. And lawyers almost never get divorced. Quite contrary to what your are saying, a woman would have a hard time finding a lawyer to marry if she wanted to, because there are so few available.

[Mrlonelyone]

but it's that nonconformity that sparks a woman's interest

 

So my being a tranny is the reason why so many women try to flirt with me?

[xxoo]

No JD isn't attracted to the wilder type. The problem is supposedly reformed wild women who didn't give JD the time of day before he got his JD.... suddenly want him to take care of their three kids by two different men.

 

Yes, there will be more women attracted to him now. This is a problem?

 

He doesn't need to date single moms.

 

You do realize that GED and JD aren't actual people. :/ Those were just hypothetical examples based as woggle noted, on a number of real people and situations.

 

Yes, I realize that But I know lots of men with his education, and as I said....they get their pick of women!

 

THe BR&P don't get their pick of women. They have to pick from the emotionally immature. Guys like JD attract ALL kinds of women, and can cherry pick the best.

[Quiet Storm]

All the while, I get to be the non-conformist that is too odd to be a boyfriend.

 

I don't think it's ONLY non-conformity. I think it's a combo of that and social skills. Being a smooth talker definitely helps.

[Woggle]

I don't think that being a non-conformist is it. Men who act like thugs or like The Situation are a dime a dozen yet they get their pick of women.

[Mrlonelyone]

@Metis

 

So what? There are people of all stripes. What do you have to say to the kind of young immature man who makes bad choices that have life-long consequences

 

1.) Pretty much the same thing I have to say to women.

 

2.)Men contrary to popular belief tend to see through womens talk more easily than women see through mens. After the initial she's hot reaction, they analyze a womans actions and reach a reliable verdict based on evidence.

 

Women ignore the evidence that a man is a bastard, rake or player and get burned allot more often. Their famlies, friends, everyone tells them he's a player a well known heart breaker and they still try to grab that hot coal.

 

 

I don't know what women you are talking about. I am a lawyer, and virtually all of my male colleagues, across all age groups, are married.

 

What did they have to sift through to get to that point?

 

I guarantee they had to filter out many many women who were damaged goods in order to find a good one who wasn't. They had to try very hard to find someone who was always on the ball...and did not need to reform into one after screwing up royally.

 

And lawyers almost never get divorced.

 

Right. :/

 

Extraordinary claims requier extraordinary proof, show some proof for that. I qualified my thread so that it does not apply to ALL women or even ALL young women. Just the emotionally immature ones I was certain we all knew at least one. (I am supposed to take away from some of the comments here that all women are level headed and logical about mate selection from day one? That's false by casual observation.)

 

@xxoo

 

Just like men who are bastards rakes and players lie to get what they want so do women. They don't say they are a single mother of 3 children up front, maybe on the first formal date.

 

They don't say that they caught gonnoreah from having a biker gang run the train on them for fun,...and they are now sterile so they can't give you any kids, but you have to pay for theirs.

 

They don't say that they were raped and beaten on a regular basis by the psycho who seemed so charming when they were 20.

 

Then when they do say it. They say they have changed, they have grown, they are better and stronger for it. A smart man will say CHECK PLEASE after hearing that. At least 50% of the time I'll bet that woman will be looking for a new man to cuckold their "good man" with.

[Mme. Chaucer]

They don't say they are a single mother of 3 children up front, maybe on the first formal date.

 

They don't say that they caught gonnoreah from having a biker gang run the train on them for fun,...and they are now sterile so they can't give you any kids, but you have to pay for theirs.

 

They don't say that they were raped and beaten on a regular basis by the psycho who seemed so charming when they were 20.

 

Then when they do say it. They say they have changed, they have grown, they are better and stronger for it. A smart man will say CHECK PLEASE after hearing that. At least 50% of the time I'll bet that woman will be looking for a new man to cuckold their "good man" with.

 

Disgusting. This is tremendously vicious, ignorant and ugly, with no constructive point whatsoever.

 

You know, people who have been raped, beaten, raised children on their own, had a bunch of bikers gang bang them, had an untreated STD that resulted in their sterility, etc., have quite a burden to bear and much to overcome. If they do overcome all of that and find a healthy and happy relationship, that is wonderful and beautiful for them. Such struggles have nothing to do with the evident empty and cold place that is YOUR love / social life.

 

MrLonelyone, I honestly do not believe that you are a "scientist" of any kind, except maybe in your fantasy life. You show no capacity for didactic reasoning in any of your posts, ever. You just make up any old crap to support a position that is rickety to begin with.

 

No credibility, dude / dudess.

 

But you do seem like a likely member for the "I Hate Women" club, along with Muse, The Hydra, Shaun-Dro and Woggle. Maybe y'all can get your own forum here so you can continue to high-five each other from your common ground.