dasein Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 You're right. Mme. Chaucer's posts and general attitude often make me feel sad and scared, too. She is so terribly mean. Sniff.. "Sad and scared?" You seem confused. She called my example of an offensive logo "frightening," so if anything, she is scared of me. But somehow I don't think she is really all that frightened. And as far as being "sad," I'm the wrong gender to start my posts with "It saddens me..." or "It is so sad..." which signals a melodramatic, but hilarious wad of gooblegabble is about to issue forth from some hypersensitive feminist's keyboard. Link to post Share on other sites
mensrights Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 My mere analogous example is so "frightening and hateful" yet a jacking off hand aimed at men here who have trouble getting sexual attention from women isn't insulting or degrading in any way? just "funny?" Thought as much. It seems to me that only one of those examples encourages a violent crime. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 WLC returns Link to post Share on other sites
dasein Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 It seems to me that only one of those examples encourages a violent crime. That was fast. But you see, the man and the whip are symbolic of the imaginary patriarchy and its oppression of women, not of any actual crime against women, just the amusing paranoia of feminists, just as the jackoff hand is symbolic of "solidarity" among the men who can't get laid here. Two can play at that, and not interested in further debating specifics, it was a reasonably apt analogy of something women here would likely find offensive. Simple as that. Not really interested in further discussing the hand logo. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 You're right. Mme. Chaucer's posts and general attitude often make me feel sad and scared, too. She is so terribly mean. Sniff.. Really? I'm sorry! My mere analogous example is so "frightening and hateful" yet a jacking off hand aimed at men here who have trouble getting sexual attention from women isn't insulting or degrading in any way? Yes, I thought it was funny. I did not say whether I found it "insulting or degrading in any way" or not. The image of a man beating a crying woman with a whip is not funny. It is violent and hateful. You and your homeboys don't understand this? Are you sociopaths? Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 (edited) LS is a golden opportunity for these guys to learn to interact with women in a positive manner. They've received sympathy, empathy and thread after thread of good advice. Instead of being kind back, they continue to spew bile all over women. Enough. Neither sympathy or attention of any kind. They're welcome to wallow in their misery. Perfectly and succinctly stated. I have tried with several of these guys to offer support, agreeing that shallow women suck, giving them ideas to try to give them more confidence, etc. I got nothing in return from MOST of them but "it's all women's fault" BS. Yep. Wallow in your misery boys. There have been others, though, who I enjoyed nice exchanges with as well as one who thanked me via PM, telling me he hadn't given up and had found a nice girlfriend. He didn't have the "all women suck" attitude, however. By the way, this notion that women are given a free pass on bad behavior is ridiculous. Edited November 7, 2011 by donnamaybe Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Really? I'm sorry! Yes, I thought it was funny. I did not say whether I found it "insulting or degrading in any way" or not. The image of a man beating a crying woman with a whip is not funny. It is violent and hateful. You and your homeboys don't understand this? Are you sociopaths? Anyone who claims to not realize the difference is being disingenuous. Link to post Share on other sites
fortyninethousand322 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Oh for crying out loud! I don't blame women for my issues, I blame the men who do good with women. If they would simply get out of the game then maybe I'd have a chance. Seriously too many men sleep around, they need to stop being so selfish. And yes, I found the logo to be in very poor taste and it was mocking. But, I don't think WLC should have been banned for it, and, I expect that from someone of his ilk. People like him sicken me. Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Oh for crying out loud! I don't blame women for my issues, I blame the men who do good with women. If they would simply get out of the game then maybe I'd have a chance. Seriously too many men sleep around, they need to stop being so selfish. And yes, I found the logo to be in very poor taste and it was mocking. But, I don't think WLC should have been banned for it, and, I expect that from someone of his ilk. People like him sicken me. You don't keep mumbling the "women's fault" mantra. Not at all. BUT - no one is likely to change their behavior for you. Therefore, you have to stop hoping for that and try to figure out something else. Do you have close female friends or relatives who could maybe offer some constructive advice? Link to post Share on other sites
johan Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Really? I'm sorry! No, not really. But you do seem to get the attention of some of the more sensitive types on this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 No, not really. But you do seem to get the attention of some of the more sensitive types on this thread. You do look a little frightened, peeking out from behind that fence ... Link to post Share on other sites
fortyninethousand322 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 You don't keep mumbling the "women's fault" mantra. Not at all. BUT - no one is likely to change their behavior for you. Therefore, you have to stop hoping for that and try to figure out something else. Do you have close female friends or relatives who could maybe offer some constructive advice? Unfortunately not. I've got two female friends one I don't see because she's busy running her business and the other is about 15 years my senior and can't ever find any reason why I'm doing bad with women other than that I'm a little shy around them. Hence why I joined LS. Link to post Share on other sites
johan Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 You do look a little frightened, peeking out from behind that fence ... Ready to pounce. That's all. Link to post Share on other sites
AHardDaysNight Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I don't know if the mods will let me post this, being that I'm being moderated and all, but... I'd like to say that I may have been bitter in the past, but some of that is over stereotypical garbage. Guys who look a certain way get all the women, while nerds like me don't get anybody. Yes, maybe I'm not ugly, and I'm average looking...but I still get frustrated, because not only am I mocked for being a virgin, but when I come to an anonymous internet forum and explain my displeasure, I get mocked for that as well. It's reasons like that "incel logo" as to why there are so many male suicides. Men are expected to not be virginal, to "go out and get as much pussy as we can"...and then when we get to an older age, and we're not even kissed yet, we're mocked. If you want to blame anybody for the bitter crowd, blame the makers of movies like The 40 Year Old Virgin, American Pie, Date Movie, Lars and The Real Girl, and American Virgin! Link to post Share on other sites
donnamaybe Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Unfortunately not. I've got two female friends one I don't see because she's busy running her business and the other is about 15 years my senior and can't ever find any reason why I'm doing bad with women other than that I'm a little shy around them. Hence why I joined LS. Shy can translate to uncomfortable, and if you are uncomfortable, a gal will then also be uncomfortable, and that is a mood killer. If there are any settings involving interaction with women that you could place yourself in regularly do you think that might help you loosen up? Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Is that really the case? That it's only in a dance class that you're permitted to touch women? I mean I have male friends who use touch plenty with me and other women they know. Kissing on the cheek hello, hugging etc. I know I'm not in the US, but on the occasions I've been to the US it seems to me that tactile greetings and goodbyes are the norm there too. Well, if you're talking to a woman in a bar touch is an important way of signalling interest. Touching somebody on the arm or back isn't unacceptably intrusive. If she flinches away, then that's a message that she doesn't want you to continue touching her...but it's not something to worry over much about. Some people are fine with tactile communication, and others just aren't so keen. Yeah there are very few girls who let me hug them. I think I've hugged one girl in the past six months and she happens to be a girl in my dance class... I have never kissed a girl my age on the cheek as a greeting. So I get very little friendly contact from girls aside for the casual touches on her arm or back etc. I don't really know how you can gauge how well you might be connecting sexually/romantically with a woman without an element of touching being involved. I think perhaps some men are afraid to touch women, but nobody's suggesting you get stuck in there groping bodily parts inappropriately. It's just about establishing some physical contact with non intimate areas that encourages the woman into more physical mode. I'm confused, why mention a dance class and the level of touching and leading required and then talk about the very basic level of touch. If it's sexual chemistry you want to create, you really do have to focus on the physical in order to create that sort of chemistry. One man can achieve, with a single touch and appreciative (fast) up and down glance what another might not achieve with 4 hours of earnest conversation. Eh, I've never understood how sexual chemistry works. Where I am going with this: perhaps the men in question should ask point blank to WOMEN or the TYPE of women that they would pursue if they are attractive to them and why or why not and what can be worked on. Very embarassing, and uncomfortable BUT more likely to generate results then complaining to other men about the situation. Oh I would definitely do this. There just aren't a lot of girls that I know well enough to ask. It's also something I can't really ask till after a girl has rejected me. There is one girl that I'm trying to do this with, but she's been so busy we haven't had much time to talk. Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Oh for crying out loud! I don't blame women for my issues, I blame the men who do good with women. If they would simply get out of the game then maybe I'd have a chance. Seriously too many men sleep around, they need to stop being so selfish. And yes, I found the logo to be in very poor taste and it was mocking. But, I don't think WLC should have been banned for it, and, I expect that from someone of his ilk. People like him sicken me. Those guys are the perfect ones to be friends with and learn how they get women. Link to post Share on other sites
PJKino Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Those guys are the perfect ones to be friends with and learn how they get women. Sometimes its just called being good looking which isnt easy to acquire if you dont have it Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Sometimes its just called being good looking which isnt easy to acquire if you dont have it You also have to at least be able to hold a conversation. There are average looking guys that excel at getting women. He could get fashion and grooming tips. There is a lot of things guys that are good with women could teach these guys. Link to post Share on other sites
betterdeal Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 I'm ugly as sin and twice as fun. Link to post Share on other sites
Mrlonelyone Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 My mere analogous example is so "frightening and hateful" yet a jacking off hand aimed at men here who have trouble getting sexual attention from women isn't insulting or degrading in any way? just "funny?" Thought as much. I'm not surprised by her reaction either, nor was I surprised that someone would try to make it about the specific images instead of their intent. The intent to denigrate males who come here seeking advice who are involuntarily celibate. As for giving some of these dudes advice...I have to admit I agree with many of the women here. They don't seem to implement any of it so why bother? Link to post Share on other sites
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