musemaj11 Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 real women cook, keep the house clean and keep their mouth shut. look at the famous/infamous "perfect housewife" manual from the 50s that's floating around on the internet somewhere. Unfortunately such real women no longer exist.
PlumPrincess Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Unfortunately such real women no longer exist. If you earn enough money to support a family and buy a house (that's what men in the 50ies did for their family) while you wife stays at home and takes care of the kids, then I'm sure you will also find that kind of woman nowadays.
Woggle Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I wouldn't, but I wouldn't do that to a man, either. I was attracted to someone when he was nice, warm, got along well with me... when he showed his bitterness, when he acted like a tool, I didn't like him. I agree with you so why am I called a misogynist when I pretty much say the same thing about a woman?
Metis Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I agree with you so why am I called a misogynist when I pretty much say the same thing about a woman? Because you, Woggle, at least judging from your online behavior, are yourself a big drama queen. It doesn't matter what the reasons and justifications are -- if nothing else, you make the impression of someone who is (1) very emotional; and (2) has difficulty controlling those emotions, going to far as to project them on total strangers. So when you say that your ideal woman is one who -- let's cut to the chase here -- doesn't engage in "drama", it sounds an awful lot like you want a relationship that's 100% about you, your hangups, your problems, your feelings, your emotions. That's what I meant when I said, earlier in this thread, that one of the reasons a few posters took your comment as objectionable is because it came from YOU. Context, you know.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I know. Nothing like being called an attention-whore, pathetic, insecure, emotional vampire, to make you forget all other men (and start scrubbing the bathroom, sign up for cooking lessons...). I even signed up for classes on how to scrub a bathroom! Maybe I will see you there Anela!
Negative Nancy Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Unfortunately such real women no longer exist. some people's irony detector seems to be off....
Woggle Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Because you, Woggle, at least judging from your online behavior, are yourself a big drama queen. It doesn't matter what the reasons and justifications are -- if nothing else, you make the impression of someone who is (1) very emotional; and (2) has difficulty controlling those emotions, going to far as to project them on total strangers. So when you say that your ideal woman is one who -- let's cut to the chase here -- doesn't engage in "drama", it sounds an awful lot like you want a relationship that's 100% about you, your hangups, your problems, your feelings, your emotions. That's what I meant when I said, earlier in this thread, that one of the reasons a few posters took your comment as objectionable is because it came from YOU. Context, you know. I make it a point not to bring this drama to my wife. I vent in therapy and on a relationship board dedicated to relationship issues. I don't sit at home and make her life a living hell because I can't work out my own issues.
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 What?? no more over the top, TMI sex-based responses? Darn! Sorry folks... I forgot that... real women get offended and grossed out by those things...
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) ... although, I have to admit that was pretty over the top. Sorry! (has been awhile for me... my brain is totally in the gutter ) Here's something to think about... Someone asked in the 'real man' thread why that thread didn't have as much sense of humor as this 'real women' thread. I do wonder about that... do some of us have an easier time being self-depricating? Not taking ourselves so seriously? For a moment, assume that I'm the guy some people really believe I am... I could write... Real men can close the toilet seat hands-free Real men don't wear plastic gloves to scrub the tub Real men buy Sam Adams beer when Pabst Blue Ribbon will do Real men train their dogs to fetch them a PBR (dogs aren't beer snobs) Real men get the dog to cuddle with them, not the wife (kinda like the dog version of stealing the covers!) ... so if anyone wants to take a stab at some lighthearted 'real man' lists... the other 'real man' thread is really hurting for some comic relief... Edited November 8, 2011 by ThsAmericanLife
Woggle Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 PBR is some of the nastiest stuff out there. Why do hipsters like that crap? Give me a Heineken or a Blue Moon.
Metis Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 Real men get the dog to cuddle with them, not the wife (kinda like the dog version of stealing the covers!) I remember reading this Arab proverb somewhere: "A man loves his son first, then his horse, then his wife."
Pyro Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 I make it a point not to bring this drama to my wife. I vent in therapy and on a relationship board dedicated to relationship issues. I don't sit at home and make her life a living hell because I can't work out my own issues. if you keep the drama away from your wife then what do you tell her when she asks about your therapy sessions?
Woggle Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 if you keep the drama away from your wife then what do you tell her when she asks about your therapy sessions? I tell her I just have some things to deal with. I don't abuse her when I feel angry at women like some women do to their husbands when they are angry at men.
musemaj11 Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 If you earn enough money to support a family and buy a house (that's what men in the 50ies did for their family) while you wife stays at home and takes care of the kids, then I'm sure you will also find that kind of woman nowadays. But then one day she will divorce me, take my house away and stick child support and alimony up my behind. some people's irony detector seems to be off.... If women can have criteria of what a real man is, then I can have my own criteria of what a real woman is.
Metis Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 But then one day she will divorce me, take my house away and stick child support and alimony up my behind. Well yeah, what do you want, musemaj11? A personal servant, nanny and sex slave who will wait on you hand and foot with no pay for 15 years and then leave with her toothbrush? There is no free lunch. If you have to give up "your" house, pay child support and also pay alimony -- that's the cost of having a wife who dedicates her life to being your personal servant and making sure that neither housework nor children ever become a nuisance to you, the cost of having a butler and nanny who is grossly underpaid. After all, you get a great deal in a marriage like that -- a butler, nanny and sex servant who works unlimited hours with no weekends, holidays or vacations, merely for room and board, far below market value. The price you pay for such an arrangement is that if there is a divorce, you pay her back for all those years of unpaid labor and loss of employability as a result of serving you. And naturally, you are obligated to support your own children while the person best fit to care for them actually raises them. (What kind of a sorry excuse for a human being objects to contributing to the support of his own children? It's mind-boggling, to hate one's ex-wife so much as to want the children to suffer.) Of course, it's perfectly easy to find a woman who will pay half the mortgage or more and that you won't have to pay alimony to in the even of a divorce -- but this is a woman who will work outside the home and won't spend day and night making you dinner and ironing your shirts. In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If women can have criteria of what a real man is, then I can have my own criteria of what a real woman is.There are plenty of women who don't. But you are not interested in women like that, you want some Stepford robot. Don't complain, therefore, that this robot turns out to have the same retrograde ideas as you.
Pyro Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 I tell her I just have some things to deal with. I don't abuse her when I feel angry at women like some women do to their husbands when they are angry at men. which is something that men never do to their wives..... Did you ever consider to um I don't know maybe open up to your wife and let her know the real woggle? I'm not saying to throw it all at her immediately because even a corpse couldn't handle that, but the fact that she is your loving wife she may help you more than a therapist or even this place could.
musemaj11 Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 Well yeah, what do you want, musemaj11? A personal servant, nanny and sex slave who will wait on you hand and foot with no pay for 15 years and then leave with her toothbrush? There is no free lunch. If you have to give up "your" house, pay child support and also pay alimony -- that's the cost of having a wife who dedicates her life to being your personal servant and making sure that neither housework nor children ever become a nuisance to you, the cost of having a butler and nanny who is grossly underpaid. After all, you get a great deal in a marriage like that -- a butler, nanny and sex servant who works unlimited hours with no weekends, holidays or vacations, merely for room and board, far below market value. The price you pay for such an arrangement is that if there is a divorce, you pay her back for all those years of unpaid labor and loss of employability as a result of serving you. But she is provided with food, shelter, spending money and other benefits during the course of the 'employment'. So why should the employer keep paying salary to an employee who no longer works for him especially if the employee is the one who wanted to quit the job in the first place? And naturally, you are obligated to support your own children while the person best fit to care for them actually raises them. (What kind of a sorry excuse for a human being objects to contributing to the support of his own children? It's mind-boggling, to hate one's ex-wife so much as to want the children to suffer.)But the court almost always favors women for child custody even if they can't even feed their children and have to rely on the fathers whom they voluntarily chose to leave.
Woggle Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 There are plenty of women who do want an equal marriage but it is hard to find one that isn't some hardcore militant feminist and actually takes commitment seriously. Usually they are the kind that bail when things are less than 100% perfect 100% of the time. Many men find that a traditional wife is the lesser of two evils. It's very hard to find a woman that is the best of both worlds.
Taramere Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 She should absorb the negative enery I fling at her and return it as cheerful loving energy. A real woman should be my emotional punching bag in that she should have a similar mentality to a labrador. She should want to please me at all costs. Myself, and the kids to follow should be her number one priority in life. I applaud you for your honesty. It might not compensate for your lack of commitment towards making a more positive contribution to the world, but it's a step up from harbouring such sentiments but labouring to sound fair and righteous in expressing them.
Emilia Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 But the court almost always favors women for child custody even if they can't even feed their children and have to rely on the fathers whom they voluntarily chose to leave. You may wish to check your sources on this: men rarely apply for sole/primary custody of the children during divorce proceedings because they don't wish to deal with the burden of responsibility.
musemaj11 Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 You may wish to check your sources on this: men rarely apply for sole/primary custody of the children during divorce proceedings because they don't wish to deal with the burden of responsibility. Because their lawyers told them that a man contending for sole custody is like asking Ghadafi to step down. Its a futile effort.
Emilia Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Because their lawyers told them that a man contending for sole custody is like asking Ghadafi to step down. Its a futile effort. It doesn't cost anything so why would they do that? It's only an application you have to make. Or do you think it would be right for a man to give up so easily on his children he is supposed to care so much about? Next time a bitter man talks to you about how much child support he has to pay to his ex wife ask him whether he applied for sole custody. Edited November 9, 2011 by Emilia
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 you have excruciatingly beatiful hair and no i don't mean your twat hair. i'm gonna go to NOLA week after next, maybe i'll see you there. (inside joke) That was interesting, wasn't it? I wonder if he is still in 'agony'... I'm tempted to post a thread about that weird exchange. Seems like a perfect example of PUA gone wrong and about NOLA... wish I could!! Has been years since I've been there and (like Boston, Seattle, Austin, Paris, France... Amsterdam, Holland) are right up there with my favorite cities ever... I''m saving my pennies for a conference in DC hosted by the Department of Energy. Bill Gates is the keynote speaker. Need to do some hardcore elbow rubbing and schmoozing... I'm looking forward to hearing about your transition back home. I'm still stuck in this burg for now. Looks like the married man who suggested we have sex in his office might win the election after all... He's ahead by only 77 votes though. Crossing my fingers for a miscount. (sorry for the hi-jack folks... back to our regularly scheduled programming!!)
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 9, 2011 Posted November 9, 2011 There are plenty of women who do want an equal marriage but it is hard to find one that isn't some hardcore militant feminist and actually takes commitment seriously. Usually they are the kind that bail when things are less than 100% perfect 100% of the time. Many men find that a traditional wife is the lesser of two evils. It's very hard to find a woman that is the best of both worlds. We understand by now that any woman who has her own needs is considered a 'militant feminist' by you. Many men seek out 'traditional' women so they don't have to be responsible for anything other than a paycheck... They kinda like treating women as pets. As long as they come home occasionally, and provide pet 'food', all should be A-OK with their wives. That arrangement seems to work for alot of people, which is great. Who am I to judge? The annoying part is when these same men come here and whine when the women they seek only want them for their money... or their women aren't ready with legs spread when they get home to do their wifely 'duty'. Sure, some women do though... just 'service' their husbands without expecting anything in return. They are counting the ceiling tiles as the man finishes his business... or faking orgasms so that hubby can get on with his busy schedule. Then the husband complains that he has to initiate the sex (because she's bored out of her mind). The whining just never stops. But hey, whatever works for you.
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