Are women genetically narcissistic?

[danmorisson]

I read that somewhere and it seems to fit perfectly with what I experience as an unattractive male

 

More evidence... I can't show myself over the Internet because I'm not kidding you when I do nearly every female online is horrendously sarcastc when I message them for whatever reason, whether that be to compliment them on something or something else

 

Even celebrities are nasty, they don't type nasty stuff but they ignore you but reply back to everyone else apparently (I say apparently because these people always look ok to damn right hot)

 

And no, this is not self pity my narcissistic friends

 

Edit: There is no doubt in my mind that men are infinitely more compassionate than women, and this is not biased, I based this on overwhelming evidence

Edited January 14, 2012 by danmorisson

[Feelin Frisky]

It would be a mistake to affirm such a generality and an invitation to a gender war. What I will say is that many young girls are lavished with attention and grow up expecting to not have to earn praise or affection. I've experienced the type in personal relationship and in my work. There parents do them no favor by showing them only free showers of toys and seemingly loving attention which is often actually self-indulgent gushing that is unbalanced by sensible motivation. And yes, it does create snotty teens and adults who expect everything for free and get nasty and hurtful when they are made to "feel" anything which is not pleasant and familiar to them. To say most women are narcissistic is taking it way too far and not helpful or insightful. More women than men are likely to be would be closer to the truth.

[danmorisson]

I'm saying most of 'em are psychopathic

 

Why I complain considering I don't bother with dating? Because they live among us... The people that 'hate' you walk past you everyday...

 

Dating is overrated anyway

 

Women are very selfish...

 

You date a woman and it's all about her

 

She doesn't love you the same way that you love her

[silvermane187]

Seek professional help.

[FitChick]

Seek professional help.

 

I agree. Mental help and physical help. How could you make yourself more attractive physically? Only you can control that. Post a photo here. Being angry and bitter and full of self pity is never attractive.

 

Read my signature line.

[danmorisson]

I agree. Mental help and physical help. How could you make yourself more attractive physically? Only you can control that. Post a photo here. Being angry and bitter and full of self pity.

 

Self pity? Psychopaths often say this due their inability to process empathy

 

Ok let's see... What should I change about myself... Should I put my house up for sale to pay for facial surgery because cruel people exist out there?

 

I know there is no accountability over the Internet but that's still no excuse to display a complete lack of a conscience

[danmorisson]

Seek professional help

Everyone appears to be missing the point of my threads. I accept things the way they are! I'm merely venting my frustration on this ****ing forum! Why can't a person do this without some narcissist coming on here and accusing you of self pitting....

 

And what good would professional help do? Will that make me a model and stop people from hating me. Will that make it safer for me to walk the streets? Will that make me not stand out as much?

[oldshirt]

 

And what good would professional help do? Will that make me a model and stop people from hating me. Will that make it safer for me to walk the streets? Will that make me not stand out as much?

 

It might. If you get some treatment you may be able to do all those things. You can't accomplish any of that if you are crazy.

 

Even if it doesn't fix all the things you percieve are wrong with the world, some professional help may be able to help you deal with them in a more possitive and constructive manner.

[carhill]

Vent accepted.

 

The forum you posted it on is generally for discussion to resolve or assist in understanding and resolving issues of self-esteem and methods of self-improvement.

 

For signs of what is genetic, observe infants and toddlers and pre-adolescents. Watch how the expression of the id is molded through socialization. I sincerely doubt anyone is born a benevolent and empathic philanthropist. We're more about 'me, me, me'. The end result is a combination of genetics, parenting and social development. Each of us is unique.

[danmorisson]

It might. If you get some treatment you may be able to do all those things. You can't accomplish any of that if you are crazy.

 

Even if it doesn't fix all the things you percieve are wrong with the world, some professional help may be able to help you deal with them in a more possitive and constructive manner.

 

 

I don't trust professional help, they're only human just like the rest of us. I've met that many sociopaths in my life that I just don't trust anyone anymore

 

Venting helps a bit

 

What I don't like though is when people lie just because the anonymity of the Net allows them to do so

[Mme. Chaucer]

The answer is NO. Women are not genetically narcissistic. Sheesh.

[danmorisson]

The answer is NO. Women are not genetically narcissistic. Sheesh.

 

All humans are narcissistic to some degree, women more so, and women tend to seek sociopathic traits in a mate (generally speaking of course)

 

Sorry if you're religious (incase some of you are) but that is the harsh reality of human nature, and therefore will always playout in the 'majority' of cases

 

And that's what I see...

[danmorisson]

Like it or not, a lot of people out there are sociopathic...

Not only that, we live in this celebrity obsessed culture and you never ever see an ugly actor on TV these days or even one that you could consider 'average looking'

 

I step outside and a girl as young as 6-7-8 throws stones at me.... I turn to look at her and she's staring straight at me as if I we were in some sort of horror movie or something and she plays the "Antichrist"

 

Unbelievable...

[Pyro]

All humans are narcissistic to some degree, women more so, and women tend to seek sociopathic traits in a mate (generally speaking of course)

 

Sorry if you're religious (incase some of you are) but that is the harsh reality of human nature, and therefore will always playout in the 'majority' of cases

 

And that's what I see...

 

we only see what we choose to see and the bold above is what you CHOOSE to see.

 

That is the harsh reality.

[danmorisson]

we only see what we choose to see and the bold above is what you CHOOSE to see.

 

That is the harsh reality.

 

I can't trust anyone.

I mean I look at people from my livingroom window and they seem 'civil'....

But are they? I can't tell because they see me and they turn into the Antichrist

Lots of people are like this to me, including strangers, a complete change in their what looked like an 'easygoing personality' as soon as they spot me, especially when they're around other people

 

Of course if you're ok or hot looking you will get to see this "I care for the world" personality all the time

 

 

Edit: I lost faith in humanity years ago.... I don't know why we cheer when we put serial killers behind bars because most people out there are exactly the same, they just having a different method of expressing it

 

I may getter better looking with age.... But these women needny think they can come up and ask me out on a date because every single one (if any) will be told to 'get lost'

 

I hate this world and everything in it and when I go everything goes with me

Edited January 15, 2012 by danmorisson

[TaraMaiden]

Like it or not, a lot of people out there are sociopathic...

Not only that, we live in this celebrity obsessed culture and you never ever see an ugly actor on TV these days or even one that you could consider 'average looking'

 

I step outside and a girl as young as 6-7-8 throws stones at me.... I turn to look at her and she's staring straight at me as if I we were in some sort of horror movie or something and she plays the "Antichrist"

 

Unbelievable...

 

We attract what we portray.

 

You are such a victim of your own negativity that everything that comes your way is set on showing you how low you really are...

 

But it's all your own perception; and perception is often deception.

[Nikki Sahagin]

I don't personally think that one gender is more narcissistic than the other.

 

Everyone has an element of narcissism to their character, but there are very few true narcissists in the real sense of the world as a mental and emotional condition.

 

Women are most certainly taught to pay more attention to how they look and how they come across as a general rule. Although men are also, just in a different way. We are socialised at a young age to be male or female, although there are certain traits that are more intrinsic in men or in women. The point is, if you are a female who hates shopping or wearing make-up, or a man who doesn't enjoy watching football or having a beer, a lot of people will think you are weird for that, if they adher to strict gender rules.

 

The one aside I'd like to mention, is that although it is generally accepted that men are more visual than women, I actually think the reverse is true.

[danmorisson]

Women are naturally the more narcissistic, they have to be, they are the more submissive of the two, and then you take 'upbringing' (what we are taught) into play.

 

For example, having a horrid childhood doesn't automatically make a serial killer, people who kill are born to kill, or there'd be a helluva lot more serial killers out there than there currently are at the moment.

 

But you're right about women being more visual than men, that crap about men being more visual is just propaganda, and it may not always appear this way because women also take social status into account.

 

For example, the majority super model females out there would date a high profile 900 pound Sumo just because of his high social status, his fame & whatnot, women are attracted to fame

 

Edit: And women love fame because... it brings more attention to themselves

 

How often to do hear "He's only going out with her because of the money"? Susan Boyle is still single yet... You often hear this said about women though...

Edited January 15, 2012 by danmorisson

[danmorisson]

We attract what we portray.

 

You are such a victim of your own negativity that everything that comes your way is set on showing you how low you really are...

 

But it's all your own perception; and perception is often deception.

 

What do you mean by deception? I’m going by ’overwhelming’ evidence... Why do people online always try to refute my credibility? And it’s not just me either...

 

For example, if you were to place a modern day elephantman in densely populated area... people here, there and everywhere would point and laugh. Why should I even have to educate people online about these things? People dislike ugly things! This is an absolute fact of life! Some people dislike ’different’ things, and not only dislike but love to be cruel to different things as well. All a fact of life

Edited January 15, 2012 by danmorisson

[TaraMaiden]

What do you mean by deception? I’m going by ’overwhelming’ evidence... Why do people online always try to refute my credibility? And it’s not just me either...

 

Because all you've given is personal opinion, not 'overwhelming evidence'....

I have never seen a photo of you, and it's a well-known fact that those who feel oppressed magnify their circumstances to engender sympathy.

It's a natural trait.

 

For example, if you were to place a modern day elephantman in densely populated area... people here, there and everywhere would point and laugh.

Actually, they wouldn't. We have a young gentleman who comes into our bistro on a regular basis, who is badly disfigured and suffers from Sturge–Weber syndrome. Never has anybody laughed at him, pointed at him, or left the premises due to any personal ill-feeling towards him.

He often comes in with friends, and is a lively, gregarious and extremely pleasant young man, with a confident and engaging character.

He tells me he has never, in his life, had to endure any cruelty from anyone....

 

Why should I even have to educate people online about these things? People dislike ugly things! This is an absolute fact of life! Some people dislike ’different’ things, and not only dislike but love to be cruel to different things as well. All a fact of life

.....for the same reason I think you could do with a little education....?

 

As people become more educated about worldly matters, they become less fearful and ignorant about life in general.

Sure thing, the young guy who comes into our bistro may well have been allowed to die, at birth, 300 years ago... and while I agree that cruelty exists, it isn't as prevalent as you profess, because I haven't witnessed any such level or degree of the excesses you proclaim to be an expert on.

And I think i may be older than you, and therefore have been exposed to more social structures that you....

 

I think you magnify issues because you are hyper-sensitive, maybe even a little paranoid....?

[danmorisson]

I hate when people on the internet hit you with this ‘Most people are good' ****... Yeah... only when there is financial/sexual gain in it, something in it for them, too... Most people are rather quite rotten actually... The females are insanely narcissistic, they allow all the *******s of the day to have access to something that's better than all the drugs in the world combined and the males act like *******s all day long in a bid to impress them...

 

But thankfully the is more diversity in males... or I would have no friends at all

[TaraMaiden]

Ok, look, you won't be spoken to, and you think you know best, so if you really want to go around with this jaded and frankly desperately unhappy and inaccurate attitude, then feel free.

nobody can dissuade you, or it seems, persuade you otherwise.

Miserable is as miserable does.

 

i know so many people who are genuinely nice, good people - with no financial or sexual gain to be had, or required.

They're nice because they're nice.

Heck, this forum has quite a few of its own...

 

You don't see them, huh?

 

Ok....

 

good luck with that. *shrug*.

[danmorisson]

Because all you've given is personal opinion, not 'overwhelming evidence'....

I have never seen a photo of you, and it's a well-known fact that those who feel oppressed magnify their circumstances to engender sympathy.

It's a natural trait.

 

 

Actually, they wouldn't. We have a young gentleman who comes into our bistro on a regular basis, who is badly disfigured and suffers from Sturge–Weber syndrome. Never has anybody laughed at him, pointed at him, or left the premises due to any personal ill-feeling towards him.

He often comes in with friends, and is a lively, gregarious and extremely pleasant young man, with a confident and engaging character.

He tells me he has never, in his life, had to endure any cruelty from anyone....

 

 

.....for the same reason I think you could do with a little education....?

 

As people become more educated about worldly matters, they become less fearful and ignorant about life in general.

Sure thing, the young guy who comes into our bistro may well have been allowed to die, at birth, 300 years ago... and while I agree that cruelty exists, it isn't as prevalent as you profess, because I haven't witnessed any such level or degree of the excesses you proclaim to be an expert on.

And I think i may be older than you, and therefore have been exposed to more social structures that you....

 

I think you magnify issues because you are hyper-sensitive, maybe even a little paranoid....?

 

I think your lying about that disfigured guy...

 

Which would you prefer me to do...

 

I could pm a link to some of my friends

 

Or

 

Step outside, walk past a group of people and secretly record as I walk past them

 

Do you really want to be proven wrong?

 

Edit: **** it I will do the latter... I’ve always been accused of lying over the internet which I find quite fishy...

Edited January 15, 2012 by danmorisson

[Feelin Frisky]

I'm saying most of 'em are psychopathic

 

Why I complain considering I don't bother with dating? Because they live among us... The people that 'hate' you walk past you everyday...

 

Dating is overrated anyway

 

Women are very selfish...

 

You date a woman and it's all about her

 

She doesn't love you the same way that you love her

 

I kinda missed the part in the question where you said "genetically". That is definitely not true. And what I think you really mean rather than "narcissistic" is "ego-centric" which is different and very much cultural because of religion especially. Ever been with a woman who thinks that because she has thought of something that you should intuitively know it as well and she gets pissy about the fact that you're not on her wave-length? That's an example of ego-centrism. It's not the only example.

 

In my first post I talked about some girls being overly pampered as adolescents by parents who treat then more like pets than their offspring to the point that when they grow up they don't expect to have to earn love, respect, loyalty or the consideration of being bestowed with signs of affection like occasional flowers or dates or gifts. These young women often gravitate toward like-minded cliques and can be very catty and cruel either together or one at a time. This may appear narcissistic to some degree but it is strictly cultural.

 

Narcissism is an idea that I think is becoming dated as science uncovers more specifics about human development. It means a lot of different things to different people. Some think "grandiosity" is the most telling sign--the belief that you're unique and can see what others can't. Well, the truth is we ARE unique and all have unique experiences and therefore CAN see relevances that other people can't which can sometimes be very motivating even though the person can't persuade others to share the perspective. It's whether these views are sound once understood that determines if the person is a bit of an eccentric nut or a genuine brilliant observer. No way should someone like that be tarred as narcissistic automatically--that's what people were taught to believe when assumed to all be the same, created by god, and then "processed" as relatively uniform units through the factory model of education--public or parochial. The damage that particular thinking and processing has done is immeasurable and there is very likely a huge amount of real genius that has been squandered and dissuaded based on these old "creationist" values that are applied either by design or default. "All men are created equal" sounded like a noble assertion when it went into the US Declaration of Independence but it has been very wrong and harmful in insidious ways. We are not "created" at all and instead of being "equal" we are all actually "unique" and the sooner we embrace that, the better society will be coping with the truth.

 

The bottom line is "narcissism" is not genetic and "ego-centrism", which is also not "genetic", is closer to the condition that is more commonly experienced in society than the questionable label of narcissism. Ego-centrism is the condition in which in ancient times certain men thought themselves so important and central--the very reason everything else in the world existed--that they rated a god and therefore created one in their image. It's a world of thinkingand delusion that IMO needs to be deconstructed in a new educational model that makes social development an equal priority with "knowledge development" which has been the only priority for many decades. That's the only real hope IMO for society to start getting right with the truth en masse an us beginning to really undderstand ourselves and each other and not just academic "stuff". Cheers.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Being submissive has nothing to do with being narcissistic.

 

I don't think you know any women, do you? Why don't you work on expanding your social life. You have a lot to learn about people and I think your life will be more fulfilling when and if you learn some of it.