Cheating in a marriage is what makes the marriage work...

[FrustratedStandards]

But she never faked. Whats the point in that?

 

You're right in saying that faking doesn't get you anywhere, and it's true. The reason I do it is because if I don't, the sex becomes boring because it goes on and on and i'm not enjoying it.

 

Other times I get sore and frustrated so I just want it to be over with. I fake, he comes, it's over with.

 

To be quite honest I don't even enjoy sex that much because it doesn't please me in any way. I masturbate all the time and that's the only way I get off.

 

I mentioned in a previous post that I once dated a guy who found out I was faking, so immediately I stopped and we began working on it. But after weeks of trying he was hurt that he couldn't please me, and I was so frustrated because nothing worked. We ended up breaking up because of that.

 

I get sore before I even come close to anything pleasurable and I am forced to stop. I have even introduced toys into the equation and it still doesn't work. I don't want to constantly give instruction while having sex, it's annoying. I can't enjoy myself when I have to tell the guy what to do every second. When they listen, they get excited and change the routine (go harder, go lower etc) and that entirely throws off the rhythm. I get turned off and we can't finish having sex.

 

For this reason I fake. It's easier to fake, less frustrating to fake and the man is happy with himself. Less problems, less frustrations, less arguing. That has been my experience. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.

[Toodamnpragmatic]

You're right in saying that faking doesn't get you anywhere, and it's true. The reason I do it is because if I don't, the sex becomes boring because it goes on and on and i'm not enjoying it.

 

Other times I get sore and frustrated so I just want it to be over with. I fake, he comes, it's over with.

 

To be quite honest I don't even enjoy sex that much because it doesn't please me in any way. I masturbate all the time and that's the only way I get off.

I mentioned in a previous post that I once dated a guy who found out I was faking, so immediately I stopped and we began working on it. But after weeks of trying he was hurt that he couldn't please me, and I was so frustrated because nothing worked. We ended up breaking up because of that.

 

I get sore before I even come close to anything pleasurable and I am forced to stop. I have even introduced toys into the equation and it still doesn't work. I don't want to constantly give instruction while having sex, it's annoying. I can't enjoy myself when I have to tell the guy what to do every second. When they listen, they get excited and change the routine (go harder, go lower etc) and that entirely throws off the rhythm. I get turned off and we can't finish having sex.

 

For this reason I fake. It's easier to fake, less frustrating to fake and the man is happy with himself. Less problems, less frustrations, less arguing. That has been my experience. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.

 

I would suggest as I did above, that both you and your sister have some trauma/childhood issues that need to be addressed by professionals....

 

It seems pretty obvious there are issues concerning men to be resolved.

[kaylan]

You're right in saying that faking doesn't get you anywhere, and it's true. The reason I do it is because if I don't, the sex becomes boring because it goes on and on and i'm not enjoying it.

 

Other times I get sore and frustrated so I just want it to be over with. I fake, he comes, it's over with.

Sex shouldnt be that way. I really wonder why there exists women who can never orgasm and truly enjoy sexual activities with a partner.

 

Sex is to be enjoyed...not something you find annoying. Are you having sex with men you find very attractive? Are you relaxed during sex? Can you get off from oral?

 

Sex dooesnt HAVE to end with an orgasm. Enjoy it for what it is without the orgasm.

To be quite honest I don't even enjoy sex that much because it doesn't please me in any way. I masturbate all the time and that's the only way I get off.

If you can get off from masturbation, could you not do during sex, what you do during masturbation? Thats my my ex and I got over the hump. She told me what she usually does and I added it in to what we did together.

 

I even learned to orgasm from blowjobs with her. Prior to my ex I had only ever orgasm'd from sex with a girl. I enjoyed blowjob but couldnt finish. Shes still the only chick who Ive ever finish with during oral. I learned I had to tense my legs really tight to get off during oral.

 

I mentioned in a previous post that I once dated a guy who found out I was faking, so immediately I stopped and we began working on it. But after weeks of trying he was hurt that he couldn't please me, and I was so frustrated because nothing worked. We ended up breaking up because of that.

See thats the thing...he shouldnt be making your orgasm about him. That only adds pressure and would make it harder for someone to orgasm. I know that when Im taking a while to cum, that if a girl tries to hard, itll make me self cautious and think too much. Therefore I wont get to where I need to.

Ive heard women say the same thing.

 

With my ex, I didnt pressure her. If she didnt get off, she didnt get off. Soon enough she did get off and always got off after we found what worked. Hell I think we were on the verge of vaginal orgasms before we broke up. She normally only could get off from having with clitoral stimulation while I fingered her. We began practicing a new fingering technique I learned...and she seemed like she was getting close to her finish before my hand cramped up.

 

O wells

 

I get sore before I even come close to anything pleasurable and I am forced to stop. I have even introduced toys into the equation and it still doesn't work. I don't want to constantly give instruction while having sex, it's annoying. I can't enjoy myself when I have to tell the guy what to do every second. When they listen, they get excited and change the routine (go harder, go lower etc) and that entirely throws off the rhythm. I get turned off and we can't finish having sex.

Understandable that you get sore. But are you wet enough? Im wondering why you can get off alone but not with a partner. Is he doing the exact same thing you do to yourself during masturbation?

 

You dont have to constantly give instruction during oral or sex. Its as simple as showing someone a couple times...and then when theyve got the hang of it, all they need to ask is simple yes and no question every now and then to make sure your enjoying yourself. Stuff like "you like that baby?" or "harder?".

 

An attentive guy will get you where you need to go without screwing up mood or rhythm. He will keep your mind at ease as well.

For this reason I fake. It's easier to fake, less frustrating to fake and the man is happy with himself. Less problems, less frustrations, less arguing. That has been my experience. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is.

I wouldnt be happy with a woman who fakes. And having had been with someone who didnt fake, I feel the female orgasm isnt something that can be falsely duplicated.

 

Id feel better with you simply telling me you were tired and werent going to get to your finish this time. Why would I argue with you about that. Its not like ive gotten off every time Ive had sex myself either.

 

I dont think faking needs to continue being your experience. Im positive that with the right guy you could have some mind blowing sex. Id read plenty of story of people turning their sex life around with the right person.

Edited February 12, 2012 by kaylan

[The Blue Knight]

Men feel awful if they can't please their woman, I think that's probably why she hasn't told him.

 

And I think it's for both, the sex and the thrill. Both go hand in hand also dont you think?

 

(I've never experienced an orgasm with a man) and when I dated this one guy (he was psycho but anyway) he looked through my phone and read all my personal messages between my close friends and I. One of them was with my girlfriend, and I confessed to her that I honestly thought I would be one of those girls who could never have an orgasm. I told her "I think I fall under the 30% or 10% of women, or whatever the percentage is. I just can't orgasm!"

 

He was furious, told me that if I couldn't come, then I should stop faking! This is true, and I stopped faking with him, but then he had sex with me less and less because his ego was hurt. We just kept going and going and we didn't reach a climax, and the guy I was dating felt awful about himself. He then came out with "well maybe its a problem of yours that you cant come" (I guess implying what I said in the text).

 

Our sex life died right there basically, and we broke up. So I agree, no man wants to hear that. It was nice to not have to fake anymore however, and I told him what I liked and what I didn't in bed, so in a way we became VERY honest about that, but it didn't help.

 

But shouldn't sex be something you WANT with someone you're married to? Isn't that the point of marriage?

 

And I agree with your second statement. They can do everything right in bed and follow ur instructions or what not (like in the example I used above) and it still won't make the sex better.

 

Your opening comment is somewhat ironic frankly. I mean, what's really going to make your sister's husband feel more "awful?" . . . the fact that he can't make her cum or the fact that's she's getting it on the side while she's faking it with him?

 

Regarding the remainder of your comments about your own sexual experiences I think trust has to be the main ingredient for many women to climax. Not all of them, but a large percentage of them.

 

Just speaking from my own experience, when my wife and I began having regular sex, she went probably 10 to 12 weeks without being able to climax. Having come off a marriage prior to this relationship with a highly sexual woman who could climax fairly easily no matter which technique or position I used I found this somewhat odd, and kind of a whole new territory for me.

 

But I didn't let it get to my ego because I recognized that it had nothing to do with my ego. I knew from my current wife's past relationships that trust had to be one of her key issues even though she wasn't always verbalizing it to me. I also knew she had some self-image issues even back then. She just didn't have any confidence once naked as is the case with many women like her. I think she just felt "exposed" and uncomfortable because she didn't see herself as I saw her.

 

She is also extremely honest and never alluded to the fact that she climaxed, nor did she ever fake it. She just candidly told me that she's never been able to achieve orgasm with any man. That honesty I believe was key in many ways.

 

Because psychology is so deeply tied to a woman's orgasm in so many women, I just kept assuring her that I loved her and that I wasn't going anywhere and that I wanted to be with her always. Now the unfortunate part of what I was telling her is that there are countless players out there who will use the exact same lines and then leave a woman once they've had their fill so to speak. But I just kept on assuring her that she was beautiful and that I was smitten with her because it was true.

 

The other thing that I found really odd was that as I spoke to her openly about the subject early in our sexual experience together I found that each of her past boyfriends never did anything more than missionary (there's some real creativity) with her and never did oral on her. Fingering a woman just to get her lubricated is the hallmark of male selfishness. It's blatantly obvious I have to assume to many women that the man's objective is finger her to the point of wetness so that he can slide it in and unload himself. Anyway, based on my discussions with her, I think this is primarily what was happening so her experiences were never very fulfilling and I knew that it wasn't a case of her not being orgasmic, but one of just selfish / self interested sexual partners.

 

Anyway, from just taking my time with her, being gentle, teaching her to relax and to trust that I'd be there in the morning and each day afterward, and just experimenting with many sexual approaches she'd never experienced up to that point, it finally happened and when she did it was like nirvana for her. But I never once pressured her to reach climax or felt like my ego was the least bit involved. I recognized that it was her orgasm and while I was there to do whatever needed to be done to get her there, in the end she had some of the responsibility.

 

After that point, she never had a problem climaxing. It's funny because even last night she apologized because it took her 20 minutes to get there. I'm like, don't ever apologize. I take pleasure in getting her to that point and time isn't a factor that I'm concerned with. Other times she's there in 3 or 4 minutes. That's normal sexual physiology. Her satisfaction is always ahead of my own and she knows that. In 15 or 16 years now, I think maybe twice she told me it just wasn't happening that night and that was fine. You don't take it personal. You don't pout. It's happened to me a couple times as well and it's like hey . . . that's human. It's going to happen from time to time. It's the honesty that means everything.

 

I only bring this up because I think that in many cases women have those types of psychological hangups which they can't easily overcome. You may be one of those women. Specifically body image and trust. It's hard to blame women given the Hollywood crap being sold to them each day on TV about being models of physical perfection. Add to that the fact that 95% of all men have the goal of getting in their pants and once that objective is achieved, those men often begin to feel like the conquering is over and it's time to move on. Heck, I'd hate to be a woman knowing what I know about men!

 

So what I'm suggesting FS is that if you can achieve orgasm on your own, then I have no doubt that the right guy can bring you there as well. I wouldn't assume it can't happen because I believe it can.

 

The point of me telling you this isn't because I'm Don Juan. It's to emphasize that I wouldn't give up and throw in the towel for some of the reasons I gave above. You may not have met the right guy who loves you enough to wait for you to get there and who has the creativeness to patiently find what works for you.

 

Regarding some of your other comments about marriage, please don't assume that it has to be like your sisters marriage. It doesn't. If both individuals are committed and truly love each other and put the other one first and foremost I think those become the great marriages. Your sisters relationship was built on a lie from day one it sounds like. And then over time that lie just grows and becomes worse and worse as the years roll by. My wife and I have a very God-centered marriage which isn't for everyone, but it cuts through the nonsense and allows us to be honest with each other but also put the other person first always.

 

So don't build your future relationships on the false premise that "all men" need to hear that they made you climax. I would never want to believe that about the woman that I was in love with. My wife was candid from day one and that honesty is what I think gave us the opportunity to stay with it and eventually she discovered that yes, given the right man and the right sexual techniques, and some open-mindedness, it could most certainly happen. Hang in there.

[xxoo]

Faking orgasms only makes it more difficult to fix the problem. But you already know that.

 

It seems like you keep men at arms' length, as far as intimacy goes. You need to really open up and let him in to feel comfortable enough to orgasm with him. That may include using your own touch, as you do when you masturbate, during intimacy with him. Let him get you very close with oral, and then finish the last bit with your hand, for example. Slowly, over time, and with this kind of openness, trust, and sharing, you will develop more and more ways to climax with a man.

 

All your relationship issues are wrapped up together. You don't orgasm with men, you've never been in love, sex gets boring.....well, duh! Orgasm releases hormones that promote LOVE feelings. If you find a good man who you are attracted to (who cares if he is a little shorter than you?), and who you love spending time with (who cares if he isn't rich?), and with whom you have earth shattering orgasms....I bet you'll fall head over heels in love. But you are going to have to drop your walls for that to happen.

[Toodamnpragmatic]

& infidelity..... It is now about the OP's relationship problems & inability to orgasm with a male.

 

I however think they are intertwined and it ha something to do with a male figure in their past. I am sure a psychologist would get to the root of the issues.

[The Blue Knight]

Faking orgasms only makes it more difficult to fix the problem. But you already know that.

 

It seems like you keep men at arms' length, as far as intimacy goes. You need to really open up and let him in to feel comfortable enough to orgasm with him. That may include using your own touch, as you do when you masturbate, during intimacy with him. Let him get you very close with oral, and then finish the last bit with your hand, for example. Slowly, over time, and with this kind of openness, trust, and sharing, you will develop more and more ways to climax with a man.

 

All your relationship issues are wrapped up together. You don't orgasm with men, you've never been in love, sex gets boring.....well, duh! Orgasm releases hormones that promote LOVE feelings. If you find a good man who you are attracted to (who cares if he is a little shorter than you?), and who you love spending time with (who cares if he isn't rich?), and with whom you have earth shattering orgasms....I bet you'll fall head over heels in love. But you are going to have to drop your walls for that to happen.

 

Which brings to mind another idea which is to look into certain natural chemicals that are tied to orgasm such as the amino acid L-Arginine which raises nitric oxide in the blood. Tribulus is another as a testosterone booster. These won't fix the problem. But they can help get you there assuming the right guy comes into your life. Clearly you're orgasmic and that's good. But as others have pointed out, there might be some things in your past that aren't being dealt with.

[FrustratedStandards]

Sex shouldnt be that way. I really wonder why there exists women who can never orgasm and truly enjoy sexual activities with a partner.

 

Sex is to be enjoyed...not something you find annoying. Are you having sex with men you find very attractive? Are you relaxed during sex? Can you get off from oral?

 

I know that when Im taking a while to cum, that if a girl tries to hard, itll make me self cautious and think too much. Therefore I wont get to where I need to.

 

I wouldnt be happy with a woman who fakes. And having had been with someone who didnt fake, I feel the female orgasm isnt something that can be falsely duplicated.

 

Id feel better with you simply telling me you were tired and werent going to get to your finish this time.

 

The truth is, I have never been with a man that I was truly sexually attracted too. I'm VERY picky, which doesn't help. The men I am sexually attracted to immediately drop in attractiveness when they open their mouth. Stupidity is a huge turn off. The men that do pass in those aspects (great conversation, lots in common) I have trouble touching them. They just are NOT attractive. That when you "friend zone" them. They are great guys, but not attractive. For me it's always been one extreme or the other. I have yet to meet a good looking guy who is also SMART. Do they exist?

 

Am I relaxed during sex? Well naturally I would say that I am, but fundamentally I guess no one really knows if it's that difficult for me to climax.

 

I can't climax from oral either, even though I have had amazing mouths.

 

And yes! That is exactly how I feel. If it's taking me too long, I get very self-conscious and don't want him to either get tired or feel bad about himself.

 

If an orgasm isn't something that can be falsely duplicated, then why is it so easy to fool a man?

 

"Id feel better with you simply telling me you were tired and werent going to get to your finish this time." Seriously? They always get hurt! Either that, or they complain of blue balls and then tell me I have "psychological" issues because I can't orgasm. They don't say it in a bad way of course, I have been told in very kind ways when the guy wants to help. But ouch! That just hurts.

 

& infidelity..... It is now about the OP's relationship problems & inability to orgasm with a male.

 

I however think they are intertwined and it ha something to do with a male figure in their past. I am sure a psychologist would get to the root of the issues.

 

You're right. The conversation has shifted. I hope that it doesn't bother anyone too much. I'm glad the conversation can keep going though

 

It's funny you mention therapy. I have been looking for a psychologist for a long time. But I can't afford $220 a session that is only 50 minutes. I have grown up with a father who has loved me and spoiled me. I have never had any problems with any male figure in my life (my dad being the only one present, everyone else is over seas and we aren't close). So I really don't think that's it, but you're right in suspecting an underlying issue altogether.

Edited February 13, 2012 by FrustratedStandards

[Chi townD]

Have you talked to your sister since?

[nofool4u]

So I wasn't wrong it saying her cheating "saved" the marriage

 

Uh, first of all, yes, you are wrong. There is NO marriage between your sister and her husband if she is a cheater.

 

Second, with regards to your , nice to see you can make a joke out of your BIL's betrayal.

[nofool4u]

Here is a good way to address your notion that cheating saved their marriage.

 

If you think this is true, then its all good right?

 

And if its all good, then her husband would be ok with it right? I mean afterall, if its all good and it saved their marriage, he'll surely agree, no?

[PegNosePete]

Men feel awful if they can't please their woman, I think that's probably why she hasn't told him.

What a load of crap. Yes of course men feel awful if they can't please a woman (and vice versa btw). Men also feel awful if their wife goes and bangs another guy behind their back. But she is not keeping it secret to spare his feelings. She is not telling him because if she did, he would kick her out and divorce her. Her reasons for not telling him are entirely selfish.

[Mme. Chaucer]

This is completely ridiculous.

[FrustratedStandards]

Have you talked to your sister since?

 

I have but it has only been small talk. My nephew's birthday is coming up and we chatted on the phone for a little bit when she called to confirm that I was coming (it's this weekend btw, gonna be a bit awkward for me).

 

I wouldn't say her approach to me has changed at all, and I can't say that it was awkward. Truthfully she has been acting normal as if nothing happened (maybe she doesn't remember telling me?)

[kaylan]

The truth is, I have never been with a man that I was truly sexually attracted too. I'm VERY picky, which doesn't help. The men I am sexually attracted to immediately drop in attractiveness when they open their mouth. Stupidity is a huge turn off. The men that do pass in those aspects (great conversation, lots in common) I have trouble touching them. They just are NOT attractive. That when you "friend zone" them. They are great guys, but not attractive. For me it's always been one extreme or the other. I have yet to meet a good looking guy who is also SMART. Do they exist?

Then how about having sex with guys you are actually attracted to from now on? If you see an attractive guy, then talk to him. Plenty of attractive smart guys out there, even for the pickiest gal.

 

Am I relaxed during sex? Well naturally I would say that I am, but fundamentally I guess no one really knows if it's that difficult for me to climax.

 

I can't climax from oral either, even though I have had amazing mouths.

 

And yes! That is exactly how I feel. If it's taking me too long, I get very self-conscious and don't want him to either get tired or feel bad about himself.

How can you be relaxed if youre busy worrying about when you will climax and counting the time the guys been pleasuring you?

 

As I said before, the right guy will be very understanding and will reassure you enough that you will just let him explore your body and make the entire experience about you. He wont care how long things take.

 

Thats what I did with my ex. I made things all about her so she could just enjoy the experience. When she was self cautious Id just tell her not to worry about a thing.

If an orgasm isn't something that can be falsely duplicated, then why is it so easy to fool a man?

A lot more guys know when you fake then you think. Guys talk about this stuff amongst ourselves. Some guys just play along and decide not to care since the woman obviously doesnt care about making the sex between them better. An attentive dude whos experienced a real orgasm from a womans body cannot be fooled with theatrics imo..Unless the chick possesses Golden Globe acting skills =P. If it was me, Im simply accepting the performance just to avoid the awkwardness of calling her out for being immature. Also Id be thinking to myself "wow this chick is a joke"

 

All I know is that Ill resent a chick who fakes me out. I will be compassionate towards a chicks whos honest about not being able to easily orgasm.

"Id feel better with you simply telling me you were tired and werent going to get to your finish this time." Seriously? They always get hurt! Either that, or they complain of blue balls and then tell me I have "psychological" issues because I can't orgasm. They don't say it in a bad way of course, I have been told in very kind ways when the guy wants to help. But ouch! That just hurts.

It seems you are having sex with dum dums who dont really care about their partners enjoyment of sex. If they did they wouldnt increase you anxiety about the issue by responding to your negatively.

 

If you seriously have had problems getting to orgasm over all these years and I knew of your situation, Id simply say "ok baby maybe next time". Thats all Id say after you told me you wanted to finish up for the night. And then wed cuddle and sleep. I guess Im just grown up enough to understand that there are people out there who dont get off easily and thats not necessarily reflective of only my skill. Sex is a two person thing.

Edited February 14, 2012 by kaylan

[GG2W]

FS

 

Your sisters story is not unique

 

Sexually I have a thing for bedding women who are wearing their wedding and engagement rings.

 

As a male stripper, I get to meet many each night I perform. I am sure that in the past year the number of my new partners is in the hundreds.

 

Though I do have a number of regulars that I meet say once a month. While the rest are ONS and the women are not looking to have an affair.

 

They do not want to divorce their husbands. But on the other hand in almost every case, for whatever reason, a lot of the spark has gone out of their marriages, and for one night they again get to experience the passion of sex one more time

 

My regulars have on more than one occassion mentioned how our tyrsts fill a void in their lives, and in this way they have no desire to leave their husbands. Were it not for our get togethers, they admit that things would be different and they would be leaving their husbands to go in search for the passion that has long disappeared from their lives.

[FrustratedStandards]

FS

 

Your sisters story is not unique

 

Sexually I have a thing for bedding women who are wearing their wedding and engagement rings.

 

As a male stripper, I get to meet many each night I perform. I am sure that in the past year the number of my new partners is in the hundreds.

 

Though I do have a number of regulars that I meet say once a month. While the rest are ONS and the women are not looking to have an affair.

 

They do not want to divorce their husbands. But on the other hand in almost every case, for whatever reason, a lot of the spark has gone out of their marriages, and for one night they again get to experience the passion of sex one more time

 

My regulars have on more than one occassion mentioned how our tyrsts fill a void in their lives, and in this way they have no desire to leave their husbands. Were it not for our get togethers, they admit that things would be different and they would be leaving their husbands to go in search for the passion that has long disappeared from their lives.

 

This is very interesting. This is the idea I was trying to explore before, but everyone was blaspheming me for it.

[PegNosePete]

If I found out that my wife had banged a stripper (or anyone else for that matter) then I would divorce her so fast I would have to FedEx her shadow to her. I don't give a crap if she says she only did it to save the marriage. What a load of utter horse crap. She did it because she wanted to shag someone else and that is unacceptable to me.

 

If these women are doing it "for their marriage" then why not tell their husbands? If it's such an altruistic act then surely the husband could see the benefits - and he could also go out and bang other women, no?

 

Meanwhile back on planet Earth.

[Toodamnpragmatic]

This is very interesting. This is the idea I was trying to explore before, but everyone was blaspheming me for it.

 

Really you need serious counseling if you are attracted to a troll post by a "supposed" male stripper claiming he's slept with 100's of women in 1 year and his regulars all claim they do it to save them from their hum drum daily routine of their marriages.

 

Really are you that naive/gullible? Your issues obviously run very deep.

[Owl]

Don't feed them. It's a good practice.

[Toodamnpragmatic]

Don't feed them. It's a good practice.

I think FS is sincere. She however is misguided and has continued to ignore posts she should be reading closely and taking to heart and being sidetracked.

 

If she wants to to to the Sex & Health Practices area and post on her inability to orgasm with a male, that's where she should be..... The fact she can through masturbation tells me she is just a mess of issues.

 

As for her sister I've posted my thoughts.

[2long]

If I found out that my wife had banged a stripper (or anyone else for that matter) then I would divorce her so fast I would have to FedEx her shadow to her. I don't give a crap if she says she only did it to save the marriage. What a load of utter horse crap. She did it because she wanted to shag someone else and that is unacceptable to me.

 

If these women are doing it "for their marriage" then why not tell their husbands? If it's such an altruistic act then surely the husband could see the benefits - and he could also go out and bang other women, no?

 

Meanwhile back on planet Earth.

 

Love it!

[FrustratedStandards]

I don't give a crap if she says she only did it to save the marriage. What a load of utter horse crap. She did it because she wanted to shag someone else and that is unacceptable to me.

 

If these women are doing it "for their marriage" then why not tell their husbands?

 

For the exact reason you just said "it's unacceptable" and you would "divorce her so fast".

[FrustratedStandards]

Really you need serious counseling if you are attracted to a troll post by a "supposed" male stripper claiming he's slept with 100's of women in 1 year and his regulars all claim they do it to save them from their hum drum daily routine of their marriages.

 

Really are you that naive/gullible? Your issues obviously run very deep.

 

Troll post or not, the fact is this mentality and these ideas exist. I don't see harm in exploring them.

[Owl]

Troll post or not, the fact is this mentality and these ideas exist. I don't see harm in exploring them.

 

Sounds like something you should discuss with your H. Perhaps something you should have a sit down discussion with you, your sister, and both your husbands to discuss, perhaps?

 

After all, no harm in exploring them, right?

 

Then there shouldn't be any possible reason not to openly discuss the ideas with those people you love most, and would be most impacted by these choices and discussions, right?