EnigmaticClarity Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Why is Megan Fox considered the pinnacle of beauty on here? I can find better looking women on any given weekend... And they haven't had all the supposed enhancements and celebrity touch ups. She's massively overrated. I haven't seen definitive evidence of enhancement. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't, I can't tell. She's not the pinnacle of beauty though. Her face is a 9 or a 10--and I almost never give anyone a 10, but that face is just ideal--and her body is about a 7. Many models are overall better than she is--Elle MacPherson, Kelly Brook, Tyra Banks, Claudia Schiffer, etc. Amongst actresses though--if you even want to call her an actress, which is definitely debatable--she's a rare beauty. Still, I'd call Salma Hayek, Jane Russell, Julie Newmar, and many others better than her due to having both a gorgeous face AND an ideal body.
xxoo Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 And you assume that her looks aren't due to surgery. Why can't we just disagree with it having to be a federal case everytime. You don't think there is clear evidence of that, I do. We disagree. Simple. Not sure I've disagreed. I've asked: What is she suspected of having done? multiple times, but not gotten a specific answer. I do disagree with accusing people of being surgically altered without any example or evidence.
silvermercy Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Not sure I've disagreed. I've asked: What is she suspected of having done? multiple times, but not gotten a specific answer. I do disagree with accusing people of being surgically altered without any example or evidence. This is Megan Fox before and after: http://www.celebrityplasticpics.com/rhinoplasty/megan-fox-plastic-surgery/ and http://stylefrizz.com/200906/megan-fox-before-and-after/ I'll see if I can also find some of her latest pics where it's obvious she now has cheek implants or dermal injections, too. I saw the comparison a few weeks ago in a website. I'll see if I can find it again.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I haven't seen definitive evidence of enhancement. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't, I can't tell. She's not the pinnacle of beauty though. Her face is a 9 or a 10--and I almost never give anyone a 10, but that face is just ideal--and her body is about a 7. Many models are overall better than she is--Elle MacPherson, Kelly Brook, Tyra Banks, Claudia Schiffer, etc. Amongst actresses though--if you even want to call her an actress, which is definitely debatable--she's a rare beauty. Still, I'd call Salma Hayek, Jane Russell, Julie Newmar, and many others better than her due to having both a gorgeous face AND an ideal body. Okay well most women aren't even models let alone Megan Fox. If we are going to say Megan Fox is only a 7 then real women are screwed. Salma Hayek: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YKYinnCIcVw/SuXjtQGYf3I/AAAAAAAAB7s/L8xIRMos7lc/s400/SalmaHayekRhinoplasty.jpg http://www.womenrepublic.co.uk/usw/5salmahayekhhh.jpg Tyra Banks: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YKYinnCIcVw/SzuvlGLUiPI/AAAAAAAAFBo/6Tnin0yFgWI/s400/TyraBanksPlasticSurgery.jpg Which of Salma's body is "ideal"..pre implants or after?
EnigmaticClarity Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Okay well most women aren't even models let alone Megan Fox. If we are going to say Megan Fox is only a 7 then real women are screwed. Salma Hayek: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YKYinnCIcVw/SuXjtQGYf3I/AAAAAAAAB7s/L8xIRMos7lc/s400/SalmaHayekRhinoplasty.jpg http://www.womenrepublic.co.uk/usw/5salmahayekhhh.jpg Tyra Banks: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YKYinnCIcVw/SzuvlGLUiPI/AAAAAAAAFBo/6Tnin0yFgWI/s400/TyraBanksPlasticSurgery.jpg Which of Salma's body is "ideal"..pre implants or after? I rarely find pictorial comparisons to be useful--even when it's myself or people I know in real life. The lighting of the pictures, the amount of makeup someone is wearing, the way people are holding facial expressions, the angle of the shots--they all differ greatly and affect how people look in pictures. In the first pic, Salma appears to lack makeup in one pic, and that pic is also very blurry and she's frowning greatly. What's different between the two Tyra pics? The most compelling one is the one of Salma's boobs...however, I can't tell. I know from looking at my girlfriend's body that what she's wearing can make her look anywhere from a C to an E. The first pic may be a dress with no underwire at all which allows her boobs to depress into her chest from the pressure of the front, whereas the second may have underwire and other material propping her up. It is compelling enough for me to want to see more examples, though.
joystickd Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Okay well most women aren't even models let alone Megan Fox. If we are going to say Megan Fox is only a 7 then real women are screwed. Salma Hayek: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YKYinnCIcVw/SuXjtQGYf3I/AAAAAAAAB7s/L8xIRMos7lc/s400/SalmaHayekRhinoplasty.jpg http://www.womenrepublic.co.uk/usw/5salmahayekhhh.jpg Tyra Banks: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YKYinnCIcVw/SzuvlGLUiPI/AAAAAAAAFBo/6Tnin0yFgWI/s400/TyraBanksPlasticSurgery.jpg Which of Salma's body is "ideal"..pre implants or after? You sound more like you are setting the standard of beauty than you claim men are. They offer different types of women but you have a hard stance.
silvermercy Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I rarely find pictorial comparisons to be useful--even when it's myself or people I know in real life. The lighting of the pictures, the amount of makeup someone is wearing, the way people are holding facial expressions, the angle of the shots--they all differ greatly and affect how people look in pictures. In the first pic, Salma appears to lack makeup in one pic, and that pic is also very blurry and she's frowning greatly. What's different between the two Tyra pics? The most compelling one is the one of Salma's boobs...however, I can't tell. I know from looking at my girlfriend's body that what she's wearing can make her look anywhere from a C to an E. The first pic may be a dress with no underwire at all which allows her boobs to depress into her chest from the pressure of the front, whereas the second may have underwire and other material propping her up. It is compelling enough for me to want to see more examples, though. I doubt it. My chest size is almost like hers in the first pic (much larger actually). I cannot make it look like the 2nd, even if I placed chicken fillets inside my bra. But even if it was so (and she only had underwires or something like that), the image she would be constantly projecting to the outer world would not be the real her, anyway.
xxoo Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 This is Megan Fox before and after: http://www.celebrityplasticpics.com/rhinoplasty/megan-fox-plastic-surgery/ and http://stylefrizz.com/200906/megan-fox-before-and-after/ I'll see if I can also find some of her latest pics where it's obvious she now has cheek implants or dermal injections, too. I saw the comparison a few weeks ago in a website. I'll see if I can find it again. Ok, now I can disagree The second link shows "proof" of her implants. But in current beach pics (years after Transformers), her breasts aren't that large. Two more plausible explanations than implants: 1. she gained weight for Transformers (she talked about his in an interview I read last night...the director didn't like the skinny look) 2. she wore pads to increase the appearance of her breasts (Angelina Jolie has admitted to doing the same for her super-sexy Tomb Raider role). In the facial comparison, I see differences in the eyebrow brow shaping (thinning before, thicker after) and the expression (smile vs. kissy-face). Maybe she's had botox, but that would keep her looking like her younger self--not change her from pretty girl to sex starlet.
xxoo Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I doubt it. My chest size is almost like hers in the first pic (much larger actually). I cannot make it look like the 2nd, even if I placed chicken fillets inside my bra. But even if it was so (and she only had underwires or something like that), the image she would be constantly projecting to the outer world would not be the real her, anyway. When was the photo taken? Salma Hayek breastfed her baby. Her breasts were HUGE at that time. She's topless in enough movies to say that, if they aren't 100% hers, her surgeon is some kind of genius.
xxoo Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I wonder if people here have seen Oprah's demonstration of before and after makeup? She jokes that her make up artist creates a nose bridge for her--and he does. It is amazing what make up can do, at least on screen (not sure if it would be as convincing in person).
joystickd Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I lol at the womens analysis of these female celebrities. Hey look at her breasts they bigger than mine or she is so skinny. You women impose more standards than men ever could.
EnigmaticClarity Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I doubt it. My chest size is almost like hers in the first pic (much larger actually). I cannot make it look like the 2nd, even if I placed chicken fillets inside my bra. But even if it was so (and she only had underwires or something like that), the image she would be constantly projecting to the outer world would not be the real her, anyway. The only time I can ever remember being certain with an actress is Jennifer Connelly--she had a breast reduction, and it's easy to see because she appeared topless in films or in public before and after the procedure. Oh wait, Shannon Elizabeth, too, for the same reason, definite implants since she went from a B to a D. I just don't know enough about boobs to say. All I know is that when my girlfriend wears a dress with no support, she looks like a B/C. When she's packed into a tight shirt with a firm bra, she looks D/E. From that, I'm left wondering how the tissue shifts like it does. The recent weight thread throws doubt into this for me as well--I didn't realize just how much difference 10 or 20 pounds can make on a small girl like Salma. I also didn't realize how much of a difference pregnancy makes--and that after you're done nursing, you can either shrink below your pre-nursing size or stay larger than you were before. I used to be sure that Gwen Stefani had gotten implants since she used to be an AA and now looks like a B, but then I realized she had a kid and that might be the reason she's bigger now.
silvermercy Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Ok, now I can disagree The second link shows "proof" of her implants. But in current beach pics (years after Transformers), her breasts aren't that large. Two more plausible explanations than implants: 1. she gained weight for Transformers (she talked about his in an interview I read last night...the director didn't like the skinny look) 2. she wore pads to increase the appearance of her breasts (Angelina Jolie has admitted to doing the same for her super-sexy Tomb Raider role). In the facial comparison, I see differences in the eyebrow brow shaping (thinning before, thicker after) and the expression (smile vs. kissy-face). Maybe she's had botox, but that would keep her looking like her younger self--not change her from pretty girl to sex starlet. The breasts pics are not enough to convince me either. But the face pics are. And if you look at the people's comments below those pics you'll see that everyone agrees that she had a facial transformation (surgery, fillers. permanent make up... or whatever else). Wait, you mean you didn't notice the blatantly obvious lips and nose enhancements? http://starcasm.net/archives/61355 Edited February 13, 2012 by silvermercy
xxoo Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 The breasts pics are not enough to convince me either. But the face pics are. And if you look at the people's comments below those pics you'll see that everyone agrees that she had a facial transformation (surgery, fillers. permanent make up... or whatever else). Wait, you mean you didn't notice the blatantly obvious lips and nose enhancements? http://starcasm.net/archives/61355 Ok! From that photo I do see nose enhancement! lol! I'm not sure about the lips. I have full lips, and they look different with different expressions. I still think she was prettier than anyone in MY high school, before she was ever famous.
EnigmaticClarity Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Ok! From that photo I do see nose enhancement! lol! I'm not sure about the lips. I have full lips, and they look different with different expressions. I still think she was prettier than anyone in MY high school, before she was ever famous. That nose comparison does look compelling. This is why I almost never give 10s--it implies there's no room for improvement, whereas there almost always is, no matter how gorgeous you are. If she did have that nose bridge smoothing, that's some minor stuff right there, she was gorgeous in the "before" pic.
silvermercy Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 Ok! From that photo I do see nose enhancement! lol! I'm not sure about the lips. I have full lips, and they look different with different expressions. I still think she was prettier than anyone in MY high school, before she was ever famous. Of course she was pretty. We had a lot of girls like her in school, too. But the thing that is being debated I guess is that extra "hotness" achieved through surgery or extensive makeup. The forum doesn't allow me to post a link, but if you goggle "megan fox without makeup" you'll see that even though she is still a pretty girl, not many people would stare at her any more than any other non-famous pretty girl down the street. (I wish I could post links as her lip enhancement is more obvious in the non makeup pics). @ EC: she was gorgeous (and "hot" if you like) in that "before" pic, too, because her transformation had started long before that nose job (rumored to be her 2nd at that time).
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 EnigmaticClarity I rarely find pictorial comparisons to be useful--even when it's myself or people I know in real life.The lighting of the pictures, the amount of makeup someone is wearing, the way people are holding facial expressions, the angle of the shots--they all differ greatly and affect how people look in pictures. In the first pic, Salma appears to lack makeup in one pic, and that pic is also very blurry and she's frowning greatly. What's different between the two Tyra pics? The most compelling one is the one of Salma's boobs...however, I can't tell. I know from looking at my girlfriend's body that what she's wearing can make her look anywhere from a C to an E. The first pic may be a dress with no underwire at all which allows her boobs to depress into her chest from the pressure of the front, whereas the second may have underwire and other material propping her up. It is compelling enough for me to want to see more examples, though. Sometimes pictorial comparisons are difficult. Sometimes not. For me, it looks pretty obvious that something was done to Salma's breasts and face. I don't think the picture is so blurry or frowny that you can't see the difference in her nose. Both dresses have pretty much the same amount of fabric over her breasts. Neither look particular supportive. This is a picture where you could say that she was possibly using something artifical to enhance her nartural breasts: http://amygrindhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/FP_5655895_Hayek_Salma_BEL_083010.jpg But in an outfit like this with it's little straps: http://www.womenrepublic.co.uk/usw/5salmahayekhhh.jpg There is a clear difference. If those second boobs where squeezed into the first dress, there would be more clevage then what she has in the first dress. Here is another link (maybe a bigger picture?) of her nose job: http://www.celebrityplasticpics.com/salma_hayek_plastic_surgery.htm No amount of make-up makes your nostrols tip up like that. Salma is a beautiful woman. But she is a regular woman more so in the first picture and more of an idealized version of herself in the second. As for tyra got a nose job. But even if makeup, outfit, lighting, angle affect the overall look, it's still a fantasy. Apparently she also got a boob job: http://goodbyeimplants.com/sites/www.goodbyeimplants.com/files/imagecache/celeb_thumbnail/tyra-banks-boob-job.jpg Although I think she looks even prettier in the first picture rather then the second. And of course, she is goregous to begin with. Here is a picture of Tyra all natural: http://photos.posh24.com/p/892841/z/heidi_montag/tyra_banks_nose_job.jpg That girl, is not the same as this one: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2Unqz1Wdl48/TmDRcPvJNTI/AAAAAAAAFOI/g_6MmBpcCoc/s1600/soft-pose-tyra-banks.jpg As for her nose: http://www.celebrityplasticpics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/tyra-banks-before-after-plastic-surgery.jpg No amount of make-up makes your nose look that slim compared to the original. Even if it did, it's still a fantasy ideal of her.
xxoo Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 No amount of make-up makes your nose look that slim compared to the original. Even if it did, it's still a fantasy ideal of her. Oprah has been open about what make up can do. Many years ago, she allowed camera into the make up room and showed exactly how her make up artist "sculpts" her nose for her every day. Photos of Oprah's nose, with and without make up
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I agree that make-up can do amazing things. I don't really think Oprah's nose looks that different in those pictures. Not like Salmas. But even with the make-up and lighting and photoshopt, the artestry of it all, it's still a fantasy in my minds eye.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 But so what if they had "enhancements"? Is that wrong? I'm fine with anybody doing what they like with their body, and sometimes they turn out spectacularly gorgeous - other times, freakish.
silvermercy Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 But so what if they had "enhancements"? Is that wrong? I'm fine with anybody doing what they like with their body, and sometimes they turn out spectacularly gorgeous - other times, freakish. No, nothing wrong. I would do the same. The problem starts when this "hot" and "enhanced" image is promoted constantly as the ideal putting more pressure into women to conform to it.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 What's the big deal with people thinking it's a big deal? Why does someone have to be "bitter" if they see an issue with something? Why does someone have to be "bitter" if they see what they perceive to be issues of interpretation between fantasy and reality? We all have our opinion on things and we don't have to be "bitter" either way to have them. Hey, that's awesome that you can eat whatever you want. Life IS unfair. And I respect your opinion. I do not think make-up is bad or that using it to highlight your features is bad. I just think there are unrealistic standards that make people more unhappy rather then happy. I understand that you disagree. That's okay. And no one is hating on Megan Fox. Many times she has been complimented for her looks by me and other women who were on either side of the coin on this subject. The majority of people I know and see in real life are all glammed up and made up and very glamorous in So Cal. Everyone is a fantasy and idealized version of themselves. I don't know anyone that goes out with no makeup like a hippie. This ain't the Midwest or the Ozarks. Why is going out without make up make someone a hippie? Isn't your position that you do not like what you perceived to be labeling of whatever someone chooses to do with themselves? Hey, I would never be a West Coast Girl. I am East Coast all the way.
silvermercy Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) The majority of people I know and see in real life are all glammed up and made up and very glamorous in So Cal. Everyone is a fantasy and idealized version of themselves. I don't know anyone that goes out with no makeup like a hippie. This ain't the Midwest or the Ozarks. I personally feel fake when I wear makeup (I don't like it because I get spots when I wear it while sticky lip-gloss gets in my mouth and hair instead of staying put) but I still agree about the makeup /surgeries and being glam thing etc. It depends on the woman. If she likes it, she likes it. Not a problem with it. So... how about men? (since it's a porn thread). Why don't they do something more with their image, too (the majority of them)? I think that was the initial point (watching more good looking men in porn - and hopefully real life). I know many women would love to see more six-packs for example, but not many men are bothered to have them (well, in my area at least where beer bellies are the norm! LOL). It can't be THAT difficult (or at least it may be as difficult as women looking glam with surgery, makeup and diet/toning exercise). (Nobody's hating on Megan Fox. In fact many posters (me included) have expressed how pretty she was/is.) Edited February 13, 2012 by silvermercy
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 No, nothing wrong. I would do the same. The problem starts when this "hot" and "enhanced" image is promoted constantly as the ideal putting more pressure into women to conform to it. I don't disagree that this happens, but I think that women have to "woman up" and resist being overwhelmed and influenced by media. And mothers have to raise their girls accordingly. Survival of the fittest.
silvermercy Posted February 13, 2012 Posted February 13, 2012 I don't disagree that this happens, but I think that women have to "woman up" and resist being overwhelmed and influenced by media. And mothers have to raise their girls accordingly. Survival of the fittest. I totally agree. But, for obvious reasons, I think womankind's chances of success on this are - currently at least - very slim. @Breals: Oh my good lorddd! I'm packing my bags, wearing my sunglasses and moving to Cali 'pronto'!! Sounds like a paradise compared to where I live!! Is there really such a place on this earthly realm!?!??!?
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