Our relationship is special - he will leave his wife....

[MissBee]

Could you please highlight where I violated this unspoken rule.

 

There were no disparaging remarks on my part. I even apologized if it seemed I was being crass with my post.

 

I've read your situation, and it falls right in line with Hazlenutt's experience. From my perspective, you're projecting.

 

Just because you didn't get your "prize," doesn't make it wrong for others to point it out.

 

SBC might be a jilted spouse, but I'm on the other side of the coin- I cheated. I don't go on feeling sorry for myself for the consequences of my choices. Although I didn't ponder my demise, I sure as hell don't lament the consequences.

What I'm feeling is only a fraction of the hurt I've inflicted on the person I swore my vows to. How do you think she feels? She didn't sign up for the BS I put her through. Nothing compares to the hurt and pain she is feeling. Our BS's will never forget this. They will carry this for the rest of their lives, whether they chose to reconcile with us or divorce us. They are the innocent party in our web of lies and deceit. I realize that now... do you?

 

I'm done with this thread.

 

You discuss projecting...but your post explains why you post as you do. You are so angry at yourself that you project those feelings on anyone else who has been in an A and chastise them as you'd chastise yourself. They are not you despicable....

 

I don't think your style of response is useful and maybe until you get a handle on yourself you should chill out from LS....as "pointing out the obvious" as you state is redundant....if it is obvious and if the poster himself or herself said it, your reiteration is not needed.

 

Your guilt about your BS won't dissipate the more you disparage people here. No one here is your BS and cannot atone your sins. I do hope you forgive yourself and get to a point where you learn and can employ compassion versus beating up yourself and then projecting that psychological whipping on other posters.

[SBC]

Really SBC?

 

Your reaction to hazel's post seems quite personal.....

 

 

yes, really, Miss Bee. This is what the OP said...

"I don't care who you are, how you feel, or how unique you think your situation is.... get out now. You are me in hindsight. ... I made excuses for him...I lied for him...I compromised my integrity and self-worth for him."

 

"I know you are where I was or you wouldn't be reading this. I know you love him. I know you think he is different. I know you think he will leave her. I know I know I know. And my heart breaks for you. He won't. And you deserve better than being anyone's plan B."

 

SHE made this personal by saying she doesn't care who I am or how I feel or how unique I think my situation is but that I am JUST like her ---and then she goes on to say that she compromised her integrity, lied, etc.

 

ALL I did was point out that I am NOTHING like her and I have done none of those things.

 

She is more than welcome to come share her views and experiences, but no way will I allow her to paint me with her brush and say that because of what she did that I am the same way.

[SBC]

 

I don't think your style of response is useful and maybe until you get a handle on yourself you should chill out from LS....as "pointing out the obvious" as you state is redundant....if it is obvious and if the poster himself or herself said it, your reiteration is not needed.

 

.

 

 

Wow, really Miss Bee? Perhaps I am missing something Miss Bee, but are you a LS moderator? You seem to feel you have authority when it comes to telling others when, and about what, they can post here.

Edited February 18, 2012 by SBC

[Spark1111]

Wow, really Miss Bee? Perhaps I am missing something Miss Bee, but are you a LS moderator? You seem to feel you have authority when it comes to telling others when, and about what, they can post here.

 

I for one welcome DMe's perspective as a fOM on these boards.

 

While some OM may represent the male perspective of having a strong, emotional connection with their OW, DMe represents many men, who get caught up in the illicit sex with a willing attractive woman.

 

He represents the other side of the coin; one where the OW falls in love with her AP, and her AP is in it for the hot sex.

 

He has paid DEARLY for his choices post affair with a confession to his to his fBS and agreeing to meet the H of his fOW where he courageously answered all his questions.

 

He was served with divorce papers yesterday for all his subsequent honesty and integrity post-affair.

 

I think his is a voice that deserves to be heard, whether you like his slant on the topic or not.

 

And while I am thrilled the OP has decided to move on, I too am amazed, an many others would be, that it took her four years to smell the coffee.

 

He had a valid point.

[MissBee]

Wow, really Miss Bee? Perhaps I am missing something Miss Bee, but are you a LS moderator? You seem to feel you have authority when it comes to telling others when, and about what, they can post here.

 

I can't tell people when or what they can post and sure didn't, but I can recognize clearly when they are being rude and as a part of the LS community it is within my right to point that out....

 

I suggested that despicable chill out from posting if he was so mad at himself that he was taking it out on other people and I need no authority to say that, neither do I need special authority to realize when someone is rude and unhelpful.

[MissBee]

yes, really, Miss Bee. This is what the OP said...

"I don't care who you are, how you feel, or how unique you think your situation is.... get out now. You are me in hindsight. ... I made excuses for him...I lied for him...I compromised my integrity and self-worth for him."

 

"I know you are where I was or you wouldn't be reading this. I know you love him. I know you think he is different. I know you think he will leave her. I know I know I know. And my heart breaks for you. He won't. And you deserve better than being anyone's plan B."

 

SHE made this personal by saying she doesn't care who I am or how I feel or how unique I think my situation is but that I am JUST like her ---and then she goes on to say that she compromised her integrity, lied, etc.

 

ALL I did was point out that I am NOTHING like her and I have done none of those things.

 

She is more than welcome to come share her views and experiences, but no way will I allow her to paint me with her brush and say that because of what she did that I am the same way.

 

 

I think what I said still stands....she wasn't addressing SBC...I think the "you" is a plural you, encompassing women who can relate. I can't speak for her, but from my comprehension, it was not an attempt to paint anyone with a brush but speak in the plural to the woman who may have been thinking and feeling like she was (and plenty do). I mean most of us are familiar with that form of rhetorical device. If you've heard a sermon, read a book, went to a lecture often the speaker will say use that same style, not as a means to claim he/she knows everyone's life, but as a tactic to touch those who it DOES resonate with. Hazel's post was in that same vein from my reading.

 

I again didn't get why it upset you so much if you felt it wasn't you...esp if she didn't address you specifically, hence it was not personal. Unless she made a thread titled "SBC this is for you" or even quoted you and said that, it wasn't about you as in you SBC ...but a plural you. So I was taken aback that you would feel so offended as though she singled you out and pretended to know you and your life specifically. I'd be mad if anyone here tried to do that to me too...but if someone posts a plural you, there is no need for me to take it as a personal affront if it's not me.

 

Anyway, my intention was not to argue with you and I have no problems with your posts in general. I just felt in this instance that it seemed quite out of line, not the part about your own feelings towards what she said, but especially when you went on to pretty much say she should save her heart break for herself and so on, and I felt I had to say so.

[MissBee]

I for one welcome DMe's perspective as a fOM on these boards.

 

While some OM may represent the male perspective of having a strong, emotional connection with their OW, DMe represents many men, who get caught up in the illicit sex with a willing attractive woman.

 

He represents the other side of the coin; one where the OW falls in love with her AP, and her AP is in it for the hot sex.

 

He has paid DEARLY for his choices post affair with a confession to his to his fBS and agreeing to meet the H of his fOW where he courageously answered all his questions.

 

He was served with divorce papers yesterday for all his subsequent honesty and integrity post-affair.

 

I think his is a voice that deserves to be heard, whether you like his slant on the topic or not.

 

And while I am thrilled the OP has decided to move on, I too am amazed, an many others would be, that it took her four years to smell the coffee.

 

He had a valid point.

 

I personally have no desire to "silence" despicable or anyone else.

 

I have no problem with his perspective....but I do think I and others are keen enough to differentiate a simple perspective from when someone is hurting and lashing out against posters in unhelpful ways.

 

We all have a perspective, but as the saying goes, it's not what you say but how you say it.

 

I personally didn't see his "valid point", as hazel came here with the realization that she wasted time and was posting from that awareness...so someone saying oh wow....you wasted four years, why would you?? Is not making any type of valid point, they simply said what the person already said but in a snide manner that seems to simply be rubbing it in. He then explained himself and how he felt bad about his BS and you also said he got served divorce papers yesterday... which further made sense in terms of what I thought, which is that he is raw from that, as he has every right to be. We're all humans who can act out from our own rawness and it came through to me that he was upset and some of it didn't seem to be any response to the actual poster.

 

I appreciate most people's posts and perspectives and I appreciate his posts as well....this is the first I've ever said anything to him about his posts and it is no coincidence that I noticed it thread after thread on the day he was served his divorce papers versus other times prior.So perhaps it indeed is that rawness of emotion coming through.

[SBC]

I don't have much time to post right now, but anger and defensiveness are not what I am expressing --you are reading your feelings (Miss B, LadyGrey) into what I wrote.

 

Re-read what I wrote and try to hear it coming from someone with a calm voice and a quiet demeanor.

 

This OP's mindset is one of a victim. She did not get what she wanted (after years of lying and compromising her her principals to get it) and now she is bitter about it, and she is trying to re-write history to make it seem like because he didnt leave, he damaged her in some way. And to me, that is not right or fair. And further she is trying to rope others into her way of thinking by saying she knows where all OW are coming from and that they too should "wake up" like she did.

 

The thing that gets me so sad about these stories is how much living of this wonderful life is wasted by women who are hoping that someone will come and save them.

 

I am an OW, yes it is true. but I never sit home, crying in my beer, waiting for his next call or text. I never spend holidays alone. I am a busy woman with a life full of wonderful people, and activities and he (MM) is simply a part of that. I am not waiting around for him to leave his wife in hopes that he will come to me and make my life complete. My life is already complete, and if someday he decides he wants to be single, then maybe he can be a bigger part of my life.

 

OP, want to find true happiness? Forget believing that anyone else (man, woman, married or single) holds the key to your happiness. If you are alone, it is because you choose to be alone, not because he did not choose to leave his wife for you.

 

Anyway, sorry for the thread jack.

Edited February 18, 2012 by SBC

[MissBee]

I don't have much time to post right now, but anger and defensiveness are not what I am expressing --you are reading your feelings (Miss B, LadyGrey) into what I wrote.

 

Re-read what I wrote and try to hear it coming from someone with a calm voice and a quiet demeanor.

 

This OP's mindset is one of a victim. She did not get what she wanted (after years of lying and compromising her her principals to get it) and now she is bitter about it, and she is trying to re-write history to make it seem like because he didnt leave, he damaged her in some way. And to me, that is not right or fair. And further she is trying to rope others into her way of thinking by saying she knows where all OW are coming from and that they too should "wake up" like she did.

 

The thing that gets me so sad about these stories is how much living of this wonderful life is wasted by women who are hoping that someone will come and save them.

 

I am an OW, yes it is true. but I never sit home, crying in my beer, waiting for his next call or text. I never spend holidays alone. I am a busy woman with a life full of wonderful people, and activities and he (MM) is simply a part of that. I am not waiting around for him to leave his wife in hopes that he will come to me and make my life complete. My life is already complete, and if someday he decides he wants to be single, then maybe he can be a bigger part of my life.

 

OP, want to find true happiness? Forget believing that anyone else (man, woman, married or single) holds the key to your happiness. If you are alone, it is because you choose to be alone, not because he did not choose to leave his wife for you.

 

Anyway, sorry for the thread jack.

 

My feelings? SBC...my post doesn't delineate any emotion actually. You on the other hand went on to tell her she didn't know your life, she doesn't know you and she should take her heartbreak elsewhere...one post clearly reads more "emotional" than the other. I have no strong "emotions" on the subject of hazel's post...you on the other hand seemed to have plenty, you're the one saying you're mad and sad, both in your first post and this one....I haven't said any such thing or displayed any such emotion, except shock at your response.

 

You are currently still an OW who espouses the idea that your life is full and complete with or without your married lover.....you more than I, have reason to be upset about OW being painted in a particular light i.e. the reality that some OW, maybe not you, are indeed in an emotional pickle. I am glad you do not sit crying about your married lover, but again many can wonder why you have a married lover to begin with and many would argue that you have issues too, but are on the seemingly less pathetic side at first glance. Maybe as an OW you don't want the name of OW tarnished or you don't like to see those in a similar position as you who don't "have it together" as you may feel it makes you look bad too....that's understandable.

 

I frankly feel that sometimes there is an OW War....as in, who is the best kind of OW, the one who claims to have a life and is so independent and has an A on "her terms" allegedly, who seem to be hostile against OW who don't display such great OtherWomanness or whom they paint as pathetic sit-by-the-phone crying types. IMO neither is better than the other but that's my opinion.

 

It is fine to be mad about stories like Hazel's, I think most here find them unpleasant, and many here also have lived it to know....yet the point is, these stories exist and whether or not it is what you'd do.....some woman can relate to it. If that woman is not you....then it's not. But for those "less enlightened" perhaps Hazel's post will help them to "wake up"....and wouldn't you have them wake up? How can hazel rope anyone in to think as she does? You seem to have roped yourself in then got mad at her for supposedly roping you in and painting you with the same brush....again, the rhetorical device hazel used is common and was meant for those who feels as she does, she cannot convince or rope others into feeling as she does if they don't already resonate. Being angry that stories like hazel's exist though and telling her to take her heartbreak elsewhere (then you say I am telling posters what to do when I suggested despicable step back a bit if he was caught up in his own pain) don't do much in the crusade to help women wake up. At least when people post about their story they can talk themselves through it and learn from each other and hopefully grow. I for one don't see why any happy OW would be on LS....so IMO it actually makes more sense for those like hazel who are allegedly bitter and in distress to be the ones to reach out for support.

Edited February 18, 2012 by MissBee

[SBC]

miss b, please read for comprehension. I never said her story made me mad, I wrote that it made me SAD. I never said to take her heart break elsewhere, I said to save her heartbreak that she has for me for herself.

 

What is YOUR crusade here anyway? You post A LOT, and you are neither an OW, nor a BS from what I can tell. Not that I mind, I am just curious what kind of life you live, considering you are so generous with doling out advice to others.

[SBC]

I have no desire to convince anyone of anything LadyGrey.

 

[Spark1111]

I personally have no desire to "silence" despicable or anyone else.

 

I have no problem with his perspective....but I do think I and others are keen enough to differentiate a simple perspective from when someone is hurting and lashing out against posters in unhelpful ways.

 

We all have a perspective, but as the saying goes, it's not what you say but how you say it.

 

I personally didn't see his "valid point", as hazel came here with the realization that she wasted time and was posting from that awareness...so someone saying oh wow....you wasted four years, why would you?? Is not making any type of valid point, they simply said what the person already said but in a snide manner that seems to simply be rubbing it in. He then explained himself and how he felt bad about his BS and you also said he got served divorce papers yesterday... which further made sense in terms of what I thought, which is that he is raw from that, as he has every right to be. We're all humans who can act out from our own rawness and it came through to me that he was upset and some of it didn't seem to be any response to the actual poster.

 

I appreciate most people's posts and perspectives and I appreciate his posts as well....this is the first I've ever said anything to him about his posts and it is no coincidence that I noticed it thread after thread on the day he was served his divorce papers versus other times prior.So perhaps it indeed is that rawness of emotion coming through.

 

And Miss Bee, my point is so what?

 

If you are a poster at LS who hasn't taken a hit from someone in pain, that is indeed, very, very rare.

 

Pain is a part of the experience, no?

[SBC]

OK SB........you are being confrontational with MissBee. You are taking it to a personal level because you didn't like her response to you. Actually the above would qualify for passive aggressive because you added the "not that I mind". So all bs aside, you do mind.

 

MissBee, is extremely smart and gives lots of good advice and yes she has walked the walk herself. I happen to highly respect and admire her and I'm sure others do here also.

 

she is allowed to misquote me, not once but twice, and if I stand up in my defense, I am being confrontational with her?

 

seriously?

 

edited to add

and another thing--my original post wasn't even addressed to Miss B, and yet she felt strongly enough to respond to it. Why not let the OP respond to it before jumping in and defending her Miss B?

Edited February 18, 2012 by SBC

[MissBee]

miss b, please read for comprehension. I never said her story made me mad, I wrote that it made me SAD. I never said to take her heart break elsewhere, I said to save her heartbreak that she has for me for herself.

 

What is YOUR crusade here anyway? You post A LOT, and you are neither an OW, nor a BS from what I can tell. Not that I mind, I am just curious what kind of life you live, considering you are so generous with doling out advice to others.

 

Okay SBC....your post was completely calm and non-emotional...none of your language seemed charged and emotional at all, not the "please save your breaking heart for yourself." "You dont know anything about me" "why the hell not?" et al. I have suddenly lost the ability to read and comprehend....I should probably inform my graduate program so they stop spending money on me.

 

I also probably am also incapable of reading the second half of your post too right? The "you post A LOT" "what is YOUR crusade?" "I am just curious what kind of life you live"....yea I have no idea how to read that either

 

Anyway SBC....in my generosity, that you've so kindly pointed out, I will inform you that I am a former OW who started posting on LS last year, 4 years-post A. As I started working through my own issues of commitment phobia and emotional unavailability, that I realized from a single relationship, which mimicked some of the same issues present in As, I found a kinship in the posts of women here who seemed to be going through similar issues, whether they realized it or not and wanted to post here to share and grow myself. My "crusade" is for women and men too, but particularly women, to become aware of themselves and their destructive behaviors and establish a good relationship with self foremost, so that they can then form good relationships. I am both a giver of advice and learner. Although, if I post a lot, with your own comprehension skills, you should have been able to decipher my crusade for yourself.

 

I would ask why a self-described happy, independent OW like yourself is here; however, I won't. What I will say is that the fact that you have responded in the manner that you have says more than enough to me, in spite of my inept comprehension skills.

[MissBee]

And Miss Bee, my point is so what?

 

If you are a poster at LS who hasn't taken a hit from someone in pain, that is indeed, very, very rare.

 

Pain is a part of the experience, no?

 

The point of my post was to explain that I don't have a problem with despicable's POV (in response to your post about appreciating his posts, I wanted to clarify that my intention was not to say that I hated his opinions and POV but that a lot of what he was saying recently seemed to come from a painful place). I just pointed out the common sense notion that amidst our own pain and distress, it is often very difficult, sometimes even counterproductive to try to help others and that's what it seemed was occurring with despicable in several threads that day, and with more detail from you and him it made even more sense to me. That was all. I am not contending whether or not other people have taken hits on LS or if people aren't allowed pain or any such thing and certainly no matter what I think, I cannot stop someone from posting, but can certainly have an opinion about the kinds of posts I see them making frequently.

Edited February 18, 2012 by MissBee

[SBC]

Ah, graduate program --I assure you I am duly impressed.

 

You can be very condescending MB. Your choice of words, and indeed your avatar, suggest you are very confident, you do not like to be challenged and that you feel somehow better than the rest of us. And hey, that's is ok with me.

 

Anyway, I will let you continue on with your dispensing of advice and pseudo-moderating. But, I ask in the future that if I make a post responding to someone, not you, that you allow that person to respond back to me before jumping in to defend them with your 'opinion' thereby sidetracking the entire conversation. Kinda like you did with DM too.

 

Thanks!

 

Edited February 18, 2012 by SBC

[SBC]

This is going no where, so I'll bow out because you aren't hearing what MissBee or myself are really speaking to in regards to your demeanor and your posts and obviously you feel that we aren't hearing you either.

 

To continue to go back and forth will just get us all in trouble, so we should just leave it as we agree to disagree. I do wish you well.

 

I wish you the same LadyGrey

[MissBee]

Ah, graduate program --I assure you I am duly impressed.

 

You can be very condescending MB. Your choice of words, and indeed your avatar, suggest you are very confident, you do not like to be challenged and that you feel somehow better than the rest of us. And hey, that's is ok with me.

 

Anyway, I will let you continue on with your dispensing of advice and pseudo-moderating. But, I ask in the future that if I make a post responding to someone, not you, that you allow that person to respond back to me before jumping in to defend them with your 'opinion' thereby sidetracking the entire conversation. Kinda like you did with DM too.

 

Thanks!

 

 

Neither my initial or subsequent posts were in "defense" of hazel but asking YOU why you felt so upset about the content of her post, as like Lady Grey also noticed, it seemed an exaggerated response. The entire nature of the board is that of all of us responding with our opinions and were you so concerned about sidetracking you'd not have engaged me, contributing to the sidetracking as well. Further, your initial post which started this, made it apparent that you didn't care too much for the nature of the thread so I'm sure you're not terribly perturbed that it got sidetracked.

 

I don't think you've responded to most of my actual questions/points, but turned this into an argument about who we are as people, which was not my initial intention, as when we started I was simply asking why you were so upset and took the post personal and was just trying to show that how you were taking it was probably not what was intended. You however have resorted to saying how you feel about me, my life, my character and how you think I think about everyone else on LS. I even went on to say that I don't have issues with you or your posts, just that particular one struck me...as clearly you and I have never gotten into it before, so it must be something that seemed "out there" for me to particularly address you and so it was with DM as well, I saw multiple posts from him in the same day that seemed out there so addressed it, when I had never really interacted with him much before. But you furthered the conversation by personally insulting me. I'm all too aware of the ad hominem ploy fortunately.

 

Anyway, there is not much else to be said. My words and post history speak for themselves and are there for all to read and come to their own conclusions about me and everyone is sensible enough to form their own ideas about my epersona.

Edited February 18, 2012 by MissBee

[SBC]

Are you an ow? If so then yes. Yes you have compromised your integrity and lied etc. Yes you have.

 

No, I have not.

[SBC]

Don't you get it? She is trying to help ow. She does not sound bitter. She sounds hurt and does not want another woman to go through what she did if she doesn't have to.

 

You are the one that sounds bitter about your position as an ow and are protesting a wee bit too much there. Acting as if you are living the perfect lifestyle. If it was great it would not be secret.

 

It is not a secret in my world. My family knows, my friends now, even my co-workers know. No secrets here.

 

Sorry but I dont subscribe to the dirty little secret, but nice try

[SBC]

Acting as if you are living the perfect lifestyle. .

 

and while it may not be perfect, my life is wonderful, and that aint no act.

 

[whichwayisup]

Don't you get it? She is trying to help ow. She does not sound bitter. She sounds hurt and does not want another woman to go through what she did if she doesn't have to.

 

I agree with this. I see sadness and possibly regret of her past choices, not bitterness or being a victim. I see her reaching out to others who might be at the beginning of an affair to warn them to stop and think, really listen to those who have suffered and stir away from choosing the affair path.

 

It's funny how depending where one is in their life and their frame of mind, how different some reaction is to a poster and how they come across.

[PlumPrincess]

After 4 years - yes, 4 years - of waiting on a man who promised me that he was working on the demise of his marriage and doing "everything he could" to make "us" an open reality, I have finally woken up.

 

For the first year, the sex was great and I didn't want to be attached anyway.

The second year, I fell in love and started needing more from him.

The third year, he assured me that we would be married soon.

The fourth year, his wife finally got the nerve to confront and enlighten me.

 

I don't care who you are, how you feel, or how unique you think your situation is.... get out now. You are me in hindsight. My friends tried to tell me. Google tried to tell me. My therapist tried to tell me. But I would not believe that my married lover would intentionally drag me through hell. I made excuses for him...I lied for him...I compromised my integrity and self-worth for him.

 

Only to end up alone.

 

Yes, our relationship was unique. Truly. We have known each other since we were kids and we were sweethearts throughout junior high and high school. We were each other's first everything. After graduation, time and distance separated us and we married others.

We met for lunch one day years later.... one hug, one kiss and all the love we had once known for each other came rushing back. We acknowledged that we each believed that we are soulmates and that we should be together.

 

I was already divorced, but his situation was delicate. He loved his wife and had three kids. And a great job in a profession where integrity really matters.

 

But...we were soulmates. And nothing was going to separate us ever again.

 

So the next 4 years of my life were a series of loneliness, emptiness, bitterness, resentment and pain. He was never there when I had a death in my family, yet when his mom died he was surrounded by love - but not mine, because I was a dirty little secret. I didn't have anyone to dine or vacation with and sat home pissed off when he went on two week vacations with his wife and kids. I dread holidays so much that I don't even decorate anymore. I've spent the last 4 Thanksgiving and Christmas' alone. He did always manage to take me away for my birthday.

 

My friends all said, "WAKE UP!" But I wouldn't.

 

I know you are where I was or you wouldn't be reading this. I know you love him. I know you think he is different. I know you think he will leave her. I know I know I know. And my heart breaks for you.

 

He won't. And you deserve better than being anyone's plan B.

It's really sad that someone with whom you shared such a history, would do that to you... I really need to stop letting curiosity take the better of me. Every time I enter this forum or the cheating forum, there's another heart-wrenching story...

[MissBee]

I agree with this. I see sadness and possibly regret of her past choices, not bitterness or being a victim. I see her reaching out to others who might be at the beginning of an affair to warn them to stop and think, really listen to those who have suffered and stir away from choosing the affair path.

It's funny how depending where one is in their life and their frame of mind, how different some reaction is to a poster and how they come across.

 

 

Indeed.

 

I read it in much the same way as you described.

[Lostinlife4now]

Why do you post here? That is my question. Every post from you is filled with disgust....I see no reason why you're here as your posts help no one really.

 

Clearly this woman is here, and has learned and is sharing her story for others...there was no need for you to reiterate her mistake. But if you take some type of joy in that...then while you may not be wasting years in an A you obviously waste time on LS spewing venom, which is not any better.

 

 

Thank you MissBee!!!!! I couldn't have said it any better! I thank Hazel for telling us her story. Maybe if, one, only one would listen..then she would have done her task!!!!