Herpes or Marijuana

February 20, 2012

Ive known pot smokers who were successful professional types. And Ive known some who were losers.

So in the end, you mileage will vary and you cant throw them all under the same bus.

Smoking pot doesnt say much about someones character, the same way in which you say having herpes doesnt say something about someones character.

February 20, 2012

Smoking weed doesn't say anything about anyone's character. I will say that there are some people who shouldn't smoke weed (I've smoked weed for 4 years to know that it's not really that great for me, other than it helped with the autism). However there are lots of people who live perfectly "normal" lives but they smoke weed. People who you might think are so respectable will smoke a large sour diesel joint after a hard day's work.

I understand that people have their dealbreakers and ideologies about cannabis, but I don't understand the way all weed smokers are characterized as super lazy stoners who are dumb and don't do anything etc. It's quite inaccurate.

February 20, 2012

Ive known pot smokers who were successful professional types. And Ive known some who were losers.

So in the end, you mileage will vary and you cant throw them all under the same bus.

Smoking pot doesnt say much about someones character, the same way in which you say having herpes doesnt say something about someones character.

True. Which leads me to follow my gut instinct on this particular issue. I'm tolerant of "professional" types, I just don't seem to ever run into them. I wouldn't ASSUME that a person is a total moron simply because I see that they're smoking pot.

No, it's usually because of the **** that comes out of their mouth in that stereotypical slurred stoner accent. Or the obnoxious **** they do. That doesn't make me think highly of them. I'm a judgemental *******, I guess. Cool with me. They probably don't have the brain cells to insult me, and I couldn't feel insulted by that brand of pot smoking trash regardless.

I'm not personally attacking you, I'm just talking about the types of people that I described, who seem to fit into a wide age range and seem to make up a decent portion of the pot smoking community, unfortunately. I don't think any drug really helps one's creativity or thinking, unless it's somehow for medical purposes.

If anything, people need to realize that sure, it IS the same sort of thing as alcohol, probably even less physically detrimental but maybe moreso mentally, but if so, why do so many people fail to treat it as such?

February 21, 2012

If you had to choose between the 2, would you choose to date a person with Genital Herpes, or who smoked legal synthetic marijuana? TYIA.

Hmm. Are you saying "legal synthetic" to avoid the argument of 'I wouldn't date someone who does something illegal'? Or to imply that it's a medically prescribed dosage, which is somehow better than your stereotypical pot-head who has a smoking problem?

I don't (knowingly) have experience of dating either hypothetical person, but I have dated someone with what I would call a recreational pot smoking problem and I'm not keen to do that again. I don't think I'd deliberately choose genital herpes either, so I think in this scenario I'll stay single, thanks.

Having caught up on the rest of this thread, I'm disappointed to find such disagreement about what herpes is or isn't, and how you can or cannot catch it. It reminds me why I don't generally take medical advice from an internet forum.

February 21, 2012

Smoking pot says PLENTY about someone's character and values. The fact that the person can maintain a successful professional life at the same time does not negate that. There are people who cheat on their spouses or purchase child pornography while maintaining a successful professional life. Whether or not it says negative things about one's values depends on whom you ask - the people in the OM/OW forum will defend the cheaters, the people in certain fetish forums will defend the pornography.. and some people here will defend the use of recreational drugs. Those are all purely personal opinions, but the fact remains that it reveals SOMEthing about one's values, regardless of how well one maintains one's professional life in the interim. To me, that 'something' is incredibly negative, and I believe I, and those like me, who see recreational drug use that way, are completely entitled to our preferences.

February 21, 2012

For the people who lie, they wouldnt fool me. Like I said, I want results. Plus I can spot shady women really well. Certain things about their character you can pick out. Plus from things Ive read online and from people Ive talked to, it seems men are much more apt to lie about STDS and spread them than women. Either way, if I suspect someone of lieing to me I wouldnt sleep with them to begin with.

Plenty of people get cheated on and that's how some get STDs, how does that make them shady? If a blood test isn't a reliable way to show whether someone has herpes they can show you any piece of paper it won't make the slightest difference. You have had casual sex a few times already, haven't you? The odds are you probably have herpes as so many people have it without knowing about it. Even if tests were more reliable, did you drag every single one of your casual dates to the clinic? No?

February 21, 2012

People have made great points. Personally, when I was single, I was always afraid of the stigma of herpes and thus never would've knowingly had sex with someone who had it unless I thought I had a pretty good chance of marrying them. It's not so much fear of the disease but fear of getting the disease, being left by that person, and then having my dating pool shrink so vastly just because of that mistake---so it'd strongly depend on how much I trusted that person and how seriously I felt about them. Granted, I don't have to worry about it now!

As to weed. . . honestly, hubby smokes weed. He's from Cali, and he uses it instead of vicodin or other narcotics when his pain gets too bad. He had a prescription in Cali, but you can't get one where we live. (Which is bogus, and weed from a reputable source---hard to find here but possible; easy to find in Cali---is really better for you -- physically -- than most prescription painkillers.) Granted, he's not a "pot head." I've never even seen him high (though he has been high when he was younger) and there's no discernible difference between him after a few hits and him before. So, I'd say the issue isn't people who smoke weed---it's people who get high and the frequency in which they do it, just as there's a big difference between people who drink a glass of red wine and people who get trashed and the regularity with which they do it. And the reasons for doing so!

I, too, could never date a 'pothead' --- someone who needs weed to function with the world and is high all the time and lives for pot. But I think the notion that everyone who uses weed is a pothead is just odd. Most of the people I know who smoke, even for non-medical reasons, do so just as I would use alcohol -- occasionally, in a way that doesn't impact their overall lives, and you probably wouldn't even KNOW they smoked unless you got to know them. One of the best teachers I know -- teacher of the year in our county the year I was working for the school system, and the organizer of all the fundraisers, teacher trainer, and she also organizes tons of charities and special programs for kids with the school system and outside of it -- smokes pot on occasion. We're friends, and I've seen her smoke.

I used to be super judgmental about pot too (college BF smoked and was kinda a pothead, and I hated him so much and for so long that I would've once told you that I thought pot was worse for this planet that nuclear weapons---I once SAID that, no joke, because I hated it so much; I specifically went to teach in Asia because you can't GET pot there, honestly) but then I met more people who used it occasionally and weren't burnouts. So, now, I'm just judgmental about burnouts. Anyway, that's my rant.

As to the choice: I'd pick the weed, but as many have said, it really depends on the person, not their STD or mild drug use. And anyway, hypotheticals are like lying to your brain.

Edited February 21, 2012 by zengirl

February 21, 2012

If my husband decided to use the not - so - nice stuff that I came with when we met, that is attributable to my ignoble past life, to justify taking up behavior that would be a deal breaker for me … well, he would have a LOT of opportunity to misbehave. And, I would be long gone.

February 21, 2012

Smoking pot says PLENTY about someone's character and values. The fact that the person can maintain a successful professional life at the same time does not negate that. There are people who cheat on their spouses or purchase child pornography

Sorry; once you took it here, you got the award. Surely you can think of less scandalous and pejorative associations with which to argue your particularly subjective view.

February 21, 2012

Plenty of people get cheated on and that's how some get STDs, how does that make them shady? If a blood test isn't a reliable way to show whether someone has herpes they can show you any piece of paper it won't make the slightest difference. You have had casual sex a few times already, haven't you? The odds are you probably have herpes as so many people have it without knowing about it. Even if tests were more reliable, did you drag every single one of your casual dates to the clinic? No?

???

You must have misread what I said. First I said a liar wouldnt fool mean. Then I said I dont take kindly to shady people. Obviously the liar is the shady person. So chill.

And we are back to whole "blood tests arent reliable" bs huh? If thats the case then I should just date herpes positive folks....gimme a break. If im serious about someone then ill suggest we get tested together. Stop being devils advocate for the sake of a lame arugment. Im going to be safe about my body and I wont deal with people who have permanent STDs nor will I deal with liars.

The odds are NOT that I have herpes btw. Ive had negative tests and no STDs symptoms since my first sexual encounters. Im STD negative and a young healthy boy, so spare me. Your logic is faulty...you people can keep trying to make me believe the tests arent reliable, but my sources say otherwise. The tests work fine after you give yourself a wait period to make sure antibodies show up if you are in fact positive.

Its like you are telling healthy people to not care about the disease based on a prevalence rate that doctors themselves cant even accurately pin down. Why the hell should I be ok sleeping with STD positive people just because you keeping telling me tests arent reliable?

Edited February 21, 2012 by kaylan

February 21, 2012

People have made great points. Personally, when I was single, I was always afraid of the stigma of herpes and thus never would've knowingly had sex with someone who had it unless I thought I had a pretty good chance of marrying them. It's not so much fear of the disease but fear of getting the disease, being left by that person, and then having my dating pool shrink so vastly just because of that mistake---so it'd strongly depend on how much I trusted that person and how seriously I felt about them. Granted, I don't have to worry about it now!

As to weed. . . honestly, hubby smokes weed. He's from Cali, and he uses it instead of vicodin or other narcotics when his pain gets too bad. He had a prescription in Cali, but you can't get one where we live. (Which is bogus, and weed from a reputable source---hard to find here but possible; easy to find in Cali---is really better for you -- physically -- than most prescription painkillers.) Granted, he's not a "pot head." I've never even seen him high (though he has been high when he was younger) and there's no discernible difference between him after a few hits and him before. So, I'd say the issue isn't people who smoke weed---it's people who get high and the frequency in which they do it, just as there's a big difference between people who drink a glass of red wine and people who get trashed and the regularity with which they do it. And the reasons for doing so!

I, too, could never date a 'pothead' --- someone who needs weed to function with the world and is high all the time and lives for pot. But I think the notion that everyone who uses weed is a pothead is just odd. Most of the people I know who smoke, even for non-medical reasons, do so just as I would use alcohol -- occasionally, in a way that doesn't impact their overall lives, and you probably wouldn't even KNOW they smoked unless you got to know them. One of the best teachers I know -- teacher of the year in our county the year I was working for the school system, and the organizer of all the fundraisers, teacher trainer, and she also organizes tons of charities and special programs for kids with the school system and outside of it -- smokes pot on occasion. We're friends, and I've seen her smoke.

I used to be super judgmental about pot too (college BF smoked and was kinda a pothead, and I hated him so much and for so long that I would've once told you that I thought pot was worse for this planet that nuclear weapons---I once SAID that, no joke, because I hated it so much; I specifically went to teach in Asia because you can't GET pot there, honestly) but then I met more people who used it occasionally and weren't burnouts. So, now, I'm just judgmental about burnouts. Anyway, that's my rant.

As to the choice: I'd pick the weed, but as many have said, it really depends on the person, not their STD or mild drug use. And anyway, hypotheticals are like lying to your brain.

To all the people who buy into the negative BS about weed...Read about zen girls husband here.

Weed isnt the problem. If someone is a "go no where" loser personality wise...they will use weed, alcohol, or some other substance as a crutch. Dont blame the weed though since I know plenty of folks who lead great lives and enjoy their smoke sessions.

A lot of people dont realize their entire view of weed is shaped by the legality of it and a few burnouts they know...they were raised to feel this way based on societal perception....they some how let burnouts shape there opinion far more than the regular folks who smoke but dont let it rule their lives. Alcohol is just as bad, but hardly anyone makes having beers after work or during the weekend a deal breaker.

Edited February 21, 2012 by kaylan

February 21, 2012

A lot of people dont realize their entire view of weed is shaped by the legality of it and a few burnouts they know...they were raised to feel this way based on societal perception....they some how let burnouts shape there opinion far more than the regular folks who smoke but dont let it rule their lives. Alcohol is just as bad, but hardly anyone makes having beers after work or during the weekend a deal breaker.

Some of us have a lot more knowledge and experience than that, and still prefer not to be partnered someone who uses mj.

My reasons:

natural weed is illegal here. The laws are freaking insane, and I've got kids. No way in hell am I going to raise kids with someone using an illegal drug, esp in our home. (I am pro-legalization, btw).

The synthetic stuff is scary. Don't want it around my kids.

Even natural weed is scary, if you don't grow it yourself. You don't know how clean it is, or what else might be in it.

I don't want that stuff in my home, or around my kids.

So it is just "no".

Now, if we could legally grow a plant or two, I might have a completely different answer.

February 21, 2012

^Understandable. When it comes to your kids, you obviously have to protect them. So its right that you want to keep them away from a substance that is currently illegal.

When I have kids I definitely dont want them screwing around with anything illegal until they reach the age of majority and are educated on drugs.

I have a friend who even tokes up with his dad. His dad is super laid back and I was surprised to see a parent do this with his kid. My friends 23. And his dads a really good guy. Works a good job, pays the bills so his family can live in a nice area, has an awesome car that he lets his son drive. Only thing is I think the mom doesnt know they smoke together, if at all lolz.

February 21, 2012

I wouldn't have a problem with my kid smoking weed occasionally once he reaches a certain age, just as I wouldn't allow him to drink at 16 years old. I also have no qualms with regular folk who don't abuse it and smoke 'em like cigarettes, instead using it for medical purposes as a natural alternative to pills and disgusting **** like that. I'm ALL for that.

I'll admit, burn-outs seem to surround me, and that has shaped my view somewhat, but I don't think that the burn-outs should ruin it for the people who could truly use it. I feel for those people.

February 21, 2012

Some of us have a lot more knowledge and experience than that, and still prefer not to be partnered someone who uses mj.

My reasons:

natural weed is illegal here. The laws are freaking insane, and I've got kids. No way in hell am I going to raise kids with someone using an illegal drug, esp in our home. (I am pro-legalization, btw).

The synthetic stuff is scary. Don't want it around my kids.

Even natural weed is scary, if you don't grow it yourself. You don't know how clean it is, or what else might be in it.

If you aren't getting it from somewhere you can trace it back, you're absolutely right. Hubby and I will be moving to Cali within the next 3 years where he can again get weed legally (we're not moving BECAUSE of weed obviously but because it's a better place for both our industries once we can line up jobs there --- particularly his --- and we both have family throughout the state and like it there) and that'll make it a much better issue.

The illegality of weed bothers me a bit with hubby's use. I feel the ethics of my particular profession mandate I not break any laws at all (and the fact that hubby keeps weed is part of why I won't put my name on our lease). But I understand it's better than him taking prescription narcotics with much more dangerous side effects, so I have no problem with it short-term. If I had kids, I might feel differently too, so I get that.

So many prescriptions are WAY, way scarier than weed. Legality doesn't necessarily mean anything is less scary.

February 21, 2012

Well, I'd take legally grown weed over weed some idiot grew in his closet and sprayed with raid.. ****ing *******s..

February 21, 2012

Synthetic marijuana????? There is a such thing?

I don't know why anyone would want Herpes but hey some people do the dumbest s*** but I'm going to have to say......................................... "Weed"!

February 21, 2012

I have a friend who even tokes up with his dad. His dad is super laid back and I was surprised to see a parent do this with his kid. My friends 23. And his dads a really good guy. Works a good job, pays the bills so his family can live in a nice area, has an awesome car that he lets his son drive. Only thing is I think the mom doesnt know they smoke together, if at all lolz.

This is more common than you think!!!

February 21, 2012

Synthetic marijuana????? There is a such thing?

I don't know why anyone would want Herpes but hey some people do the dumbest s*** but I'm going to have to say......................................... "Weed"!

Nobody wants to have herpes, but 1 in 4 adults has herpes. Herpes is not a big deal. I have it and have only had 1 OB. I've had it over a year now. I would rather be with a person that had herpes over a stoner who waist there money on that crap and is high all the time. Being with a stoner could potentially get you in trouble with the law. Weed is still illegal last time I checked.

February 21, 2012

Nobody wants to have herpes, but 1 in 4 adults has herpes. Herpes is not a big deal. I have it and have only had 1 OB. I've had it over a year now. I would rather be with a person that had herpes over a stoner who waist there money on that crap and is high all the time. Being with a stoner could potentially get you in trouble with the law. Weed is still illegal last time I checked.

CORRECTION.... Weed is NOT illegal in California so I can puff puff pass all I want if I decided to cross the states border and as long as I have a card that reads "Cannabis License" for a fee of $65.00 and you got me f***ed up if you think it's a better idea to knowingly lie down with someone that has a virus... Stay down! I still choose the "Stoner"!

February 21, 2012

Herpes is not a big deal.

Are we still talking about genital herpes (as per the OP)? Genital herpes is associated with an increased risk of HIV acquisition by two to threefold and HIV transmission on a per-sexual act basis by up to fivefold. (source: An estimate of the global prevalence and incidence of herpes simplex virus type 2 infection, Looker, Garnett, Schmid, Bulletin of the WHO)

I can see why some people don't consider it to be just a minor skin complaint as has been intimated in this thread.

February 21, 2012

Genital herpes is associated with an increased risk of HIV acquisition by two to threefold and HIV transmission on a per-sexual act basis by up to fivefold. (source: An estimate of the global prevalence and incidence of herpes simplex virus type 2 infection, Looker, Garnett, Schmid, Bulletin of the WHO)

I can see why some people don't consider it to be just a minor skin complaint as has been intimated in this thread.

Yes, if you don't use protection and that person has sores. Why would anyone have sex if they have sores. Who brought up HIf you date someone with HIV then your putting yourself at risk. Herpes is just a skin condition. I know I have it and it's not a big deal. I make people who I have dated take an HIV test before I sleep with them. If you don't have herpes then you cant comment what it's like to have it. If you ware protection then you don't have to worry about STD's.

February 21, 2012

CORRECTION.... Weed is NOT illegal in California so I can puff puff pass all I want if I decided to cross the states border and as long as I have a card that reads "Cannabis License" for a fee of $65.00 and you got me f***ed up if you think it's a better idea to knowingly lie down with someone that has a virus... Stay down! I still choose the "Stoner"!

Weed IS illegal to anyone that DOES NOT have a prescription to use it for medical use in California.

February 21, 2012

If you don't have herpes then you cant comment what it's like to have it.

Really? We may have to agree to disagree on what I can or can't express an opinion about, and on some of your other points that you don't want me to discuss.

February 22, 2012

Weed IS illegal to anyone that DOES NOT have a prescription to use it for medical use in California.

LIKE I SAID... $65 will get you a pass to smoke all you want! I'm from California it's not hard to walk into a Dr's office and walk out legal no medical history needed...

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