Don't you hate when SHORT women require TALL men???

[jobaba]

It's really all a number's game.

and the older I get, the easier it gets.

 

If I go out and there are women in their late 30's/ early 40's They have their eye on me because 10 to 1 every other guy in the place my age is any where from slight gut to fat slob.

 

i'm not that short & honestly, who is ultimately going to catch a woman's eye?

 

the 6' guy with a belly in a faded quiet riot T-shirt or the 5'8" in a form fitting V-neck stretching the shirt sleeve slightly?

 

I mean c'mon, I dressed in a polo shirt or striped/plain V-neck when I went out & I'd feel over dressed in some places. LOL!

 

I personally only saw my being a fat-ass as the road-block to women. Not height. Once I lost the weight... it's like a whole new world for me.

 

My buddy is about 5'6" skinny as hell. He's always managed to get himself laid growing up. I don't know what it is about him but the women dig him. women taller than him & good looking women also. Though he did like the fuller figured gals but each to his own.

 

I wasn't referring to your height at all. 5'8" to me isn't even short. It's average.

 

Seems like you do well.

 

Every time I lose a girlfriend, I think I have the game figured out and its single man payday. Instead I end up going through the same struggles I did before until I land one.

 

I really like to hear from the guys who struggled and then were able to flip the switch and make some real headway with women.

 

Makes me feel like I can do it if I ever have to again.

[somedude81]

And being tall doesn't automatically make a guy hot!

I have seen nothing to the contrary.

 

A tall guy would have to be pretty messed up looking for a woman to not consider him attractive. Without a doubt women let him slide in more areas that a short man can not get away with.

[Cracker Jack]

Oh haha, was Big Question being sarcastic? It was hard to tell for me. Usually BQ is a BD.

 

Yeah, he was going back and forth with the Heltzer guy (who's banned now) and was purposelly fighting the constant bitching with arrogance. It was pretty effective, too, lol.

[TheBigQuestion]

Yeah, he was going back and forth with the Heltzer guy (who's banned now) and was purposelly fighting the constant bitching with arrogance. It was pretty effective, too, lol.

 

::bows:: Thank you.

 

I have to say that Hetzer/Wolf18 is the only poster I've met here who genuinely disturbed me. He seemed genuinely unstable. But I couldn't help but troll his trolling.

[PlumPrincess]

4's won't even spit in my direction. I'd KILL for a 4.

 

Looks aren't everything, but there has to be some physical attraction. It's not like I'm asking for a lot. Just don't be huge.

Shouldn't you chime in now and say you're tall and buff and still can't get a woman?

[TheBigQuestion]

I have seen nothing to the contrary.

 

A tall guy would have to be pretty messed up looking for a woman to not consider him attractive. Without a doubt women let him slide in more areas that a short man can not get away with.

 

Wrong. A woman with crazy, unreasonable lists of "requirements" would still find a way to disqualify a guy.

[PlumPrincess]

This used to be me too. Back when I was in college and after, I expected that I could just get buddy/buddy with a female as INDIVIDUALS in a very casual way and that everything would just happen naturally. I'd meet a gal, we'd both like Indie pop, Mexican beer, and Jim Jarmusch films, we'd be attracted to each other and things would escalate slowly but surely ... and that I'd have a steady stream of the aforementioned women for years to come.

 

Not the case.

 

After the before mentioned 'technique' failed to work, I started investigating things like men needing attitude, non-passiveness, chutzpah, and humor. A lot of the times I face failure, but I've been able to succeed some. And most of the women I've hooked up with really didn't know me that well when they decided to take the plunge.

 

So at least in my case, I definitely see women somewhat as 'objects' that a game has to be played on for me to succeed. Of course after I get them, I'm able to see them more as individuals again. Hope that made sense.

 

I'd rather not play the game that way to be honest with you. Maybe if I were better looking, it'd be different.

Oops, I'm starting to see a pattern here. I think I also fail to attract more guys, because I don't understand the game of attraction that well. I never thought that in order to attract men I would have to put in efforts to enhance my femininity. On the other hand, I have realized now that I am attracted to men who act like men and the reason I often reject guys is that they appear to be so asexual.

[reallyhotguy]

feminism

 

 

 

reject feminism

 

I am older than you, probably by at least 15 years. When I was in HS, there was definitely friction between the genders, almost all of it was related to sexual tension, and the various mean, nasty things HS students do to each other. However, gender life had not become thoroughly politicized, and underlying any friction was a basic human respect. Decades of feminism has taken a wrecking ball to that respect by constantly portraying women as an oppressed victim class and constantly portraying men as a criminal oppressor class.

 

Men and women do all kinds of immature things to each other in dating and relationships and always have. Being able to admit accountability is key. Men, by and large, IME are more open to admitting accountability for their foibles than women are, and as long as women perceive themselves as societal victims, this will not change.

 

"You hear that, v? You see how women ruin everything? You ought to be ashamed of yourself." --dasein, abridged

 

Of course, the sweet irony is that getting caught up in gender roles is what misled you from personal growth in the first place, from your own account, which academic study of gender could easily help you understand, liberating you from that burden. Gee, I wonder which viewpoint will lead you to a happy and positive life?

Edited March 25, 2012 by reallyhotguy

[TheBigQuestion]

"You hear that, v? You see how women ruin everything? You ought to be ashamed of yourself." --dasein, abridged

 

Of course, the sweet irony is that getting caught up in gender roles is what misled you from personal growth in the first place, from your own account, which academic study of gender could easily help you understand, liberating you from that burden. Gee, I wonder which viewpoint will lead you to a happy and positive life?

 

feminism =/= women.

[PlumPrincess]

::bows:: Thank you.

 

I have to say that Hetzer/Wolf18 is the only poster I've met here who genuinely disturbed me. He seemed genuinely unstable. But I couldn't help but troll his trolling.

Hetzer is Wolf18? Wolf18 never sounded that bitter. He usually also mentions that when he was buff women were just throwing themselves at him.

[reallyhotguy]

feminism =/= women.

 

You must have missed the last sentence, where he calls out an entire gender for disrupting society.

 

It must be hard, being mad at women all the time. It must really wear a man down. I can't fathom why someone would choose to lead a life like that. All I can say is that it makes me really happy that I actually get to enjoy a life with women in it.

[TheBigQuestion]

You must have missed the last sentence, where he calls out an entire gender for disrupting society.

 

It must be hard, being mad at women all the time. It must really wear a man down. I can't fathom why someone would choose to lead a life like that. All I can say is that it makes me really happy that I actually get to enjoy a life with women in it.

 

I agree that some of what dasein posts borders on conspiracy theory. I agree with much of what he says despite being in a happy relationship, but I don't take his premises to the same conclusions that he does. With that said, LS tends to be the type of place where posting any criticism of feminist doctrine is treated as high treason and usually results in a barrage of disparaging remarks directed at the person making the criticism. Feminism's effect on society is largely a divisive one, regardless of what its proponents try to say. It's a self-serving political movement like any other. It's adherents and mainstream society at large tend to view it as a benevolent force completely incapable of being taken to unnatural extremes or abused for inequitable political gain. Without demonizing men and painting women as the perpetual victim class, feminism wouldn't exist.

Someone needs to express that critical viewpoint on here, and I do it at times. I admittedly don't have the energy to do it to the degree that dasein does, but I at least aim for brevity and levelheadedness.

[oaks]

All these women posting about how they prefer a taller man even though she's short herself because she's just instinctually attrated , doesn't want short kids or whatever nonsense basically means that as a short man, I have zero value as a man.

 

... to those women, yes.

 

Other women have different preferences, so get over it.

[phineas]

This.

 

And no homo, but I hope to be as fit as you look in your avatar when I hit your age. Keep them biceps strong bro.

 

When I met my wife to be I was 25lbs heavier & she was in better shape than me.

Just don't get lazy once you are with someone. We both got fat during the marriage. I only recently got back in shape after divorce.

 

I wasn't referring to your height at all. 5'8" to me isn't even short. It's average.

 

Seems like you do well.

 

Every time I lose a girlfriend, I think I have the game figured out and its single man payday. Instead I end up going through the same struggles I did before until I land one.

 

I really like to hear from the guys who struggled and then were able to flip the switch and make some real headway with women.

 

Makes me feel like I can do it if I ever have to again.

 

To be honest, before marriage I used to get down in the dumps when a woman dumped me.

 

After, well i've yet to become attached to a woman. The second they start acting poorly or showing disrespect it means it's over to me so see ya!

Sometimes they just fall off the face of the earth.

 

I look at it this way, if a woman pulls a disappearing act on me, it just means I now have the opportunity to sample a new one. Or the free time to work on a project

[zengirl]

Yet again, only men should get to have standards, right? Every man is entitled to an attractive female, and females has no choice in the matter?

 

THIS! This is what bothers me about the positions many posters take in threads like this.

 

Personally, I'm not sure I really buy into the genetic desires thing (which actually I only saw female posters suggesting that perhaps much taller men were more likely to seek them than men closer to their own size due to subconscious genetic desires FWIW) with physical choices, nor is it wholly true that a much taller man is a better "protector."

 

What I think is that tall men are more likely to look classically masculine and attractive, overall (I've certainly met some tall, skinny, weird looking guys who couldn't get dates, so being tall alone is not some kind of silver bullets, just as neither is having awesome breasts or whatever for a woman). Physical attraction is, in part, based on such preferences.

 

Women are allowed to have preferences, including physical preferences, just as men are. I'm not sure why that bothers some men, really, especially since no man who's bothered it has come in and stated he'd date ANY otherwise compatible woman, regardless of looks. If your entire criteria selection is based on such preferences (either gender), then you probably should re-think, just as you probably should re-think if you have perpetual failure.

[oaks]

Somehow I've never attracted short women. At least, I haven't noticed it. I'm somewhere above 6ft tall, so they should be flocking to me, right? All my girlfriends, and nearly all the people who I've been on a date with, have been at least a couple of inches above 'average' height.

 

This isn't a complaint at all, but sometimes I do wonder what dating a short woman would be like. I haven't figured out how the first kiss would work, with her being all the way down there and me being all the way up here.

[Anela]

Wrong. A woman with crazy, unreasonable lists of "requirements" would still find a way to disqualify a guy.

 

It couldn't just be that she isn't attracted to him?

[Taramere]

I agree that some of what dasein posts borders on conspiracy theory. I agree with much of what he says despite being in a happy relationship, but I don't take his premises to the same conclusions that he does. With that said, LS tends to be the type of place where posting any criticism of feminist doctrine is treated as high treason and usually results in a barrage of disparaging remarks directed at the person making the criticism. Feminism's effect on society is largely a divisive one, regardless of what its proponents try to say. It's a self-serving political movement like any other.

 

For me, an important factor is whether the person is criticising feminism or making it a scapegoat for all ills. Criticism of any ideology, philosophy or theory is valid....but when the scapegoating ("everything wrong in the western world/every conflict between men and women is caused by feminism") then it starts to sound pretty crazy...and I think anybody preaching that is probably going to find themselves either ignored or under attack.

 

I don't know how much coverage there was in the US of the Anders Breivik atrocity in Norway last year.

 

Anders Behring Breivik - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

He killed 69 people, mainly teenagers, in a shooting spree. In the lead-up to this he had written some sort of manifesto attacking marxism, feminism, multiculturalism etc. Basically holding these things responsible for all evils in the world. This guy was a prolific internet poster, with his postings being analysed for evidence of links to various groups.

 

There seems to be some debate amongst psychiatrists as to whether he's a paranoid schizophrenic or simply personality disordered. One thing you can count on, however, is that he does not regard any disorder within himself as playing a role in what he did. There's not a shortage of voices on the internet to enable that kind of thinking (though I'm sure none of them anticipated the tragic outcome he was working towards).

 

I'm not sure what "not feminist" is supposed to look like. If it's possible for a woman to function competently as a person, to hold her own beliefs and opinions and to maintain any awareness of issues that affect women more than men (and therefore equip herself to deal with those issues) without at some point being labelled as a feminist.

 

It's a label quite a lot of men will pin on women for no reason other than that they dislike her or are in conflict with her. Those personal dislikes and conflicts can't be eliminated from a society. Neither can the madness of people like Sodini or Breivik or the woman who wrote the Scum Manifesto and tried to shoot Andy Warhol.

 

As individuals, do you think there's much any of us can do about it other than strive for balance and fairness in our own relationships? To acknowledge that other people's behaviour can sometimes be annoying, hypocritical or self-serving at times (as can our own), without getting too embroiled in perceiving it all as symptomatic of societal rot that we must take up weapons against?

Edited March 25, 2012 by Taramere

[somedude81]

... to those women, yes.

 

Other women have different preferences, so get over it.

But which one is the majority?

 

If 90% of women are shallow like udolipixie then I'm screwed. The number of quality girls that can look past something as trivial as height seem to be a small minority. And even then they will describe me as, "He's short, but..."

[ThaWholigan]

But which one is the majority?

 

If 90% of women are shallow like udolipixie then I'm screwed. The number of quality girls that can look past something as trivial as height seem to be a small minority. And even then they will describe me as, "He's short, but..."

Why the extreme percentage? 90% is a stretch, I would say.....

 

I don't think you could say whether it's a minority or not, considering there are probably over 3 billion women on the planet - and there are probably millions where you live in Cali, I doubt that 90% of them won't date you. You're not screwed at all.

[somedude81]

Why the extreme percentage? 90% is a stretch, I would say.....

 

I don't think you could say whether it's a minority or not, considering there are probably over 3 billion women on the planet - and there are probably millions where you live in Cali, I doubt that 90% of them won't date you. You're not screwed at all.

90% probably is a stretch, but I do believe that the majority of women will not date a short guy.

 

As for me being screwed, that's already been proven considering my history. Now it's basically, screwed until proven not.

[ThaWholigan]

90% probably is a stretch, but I do believe that the majority of women will not date a short guy.

 

As for me being screwed, that's already been proven considering my history. Now it's basically, screwed until proven not.

You're screwing yourself in my honest opinion. I have never met you so I can only go by your posts, but your posts tell me you're screwing yourself. You don't know the majority of women won't date a short guy. How do I explain then how every short guy I know bar a few are extraordinarily swarmed by women. Yeah, tall guys get laid a lot too, but there are also tall guys who don't get laid, just like short guys. Is their height getting in the way?

 

Let's put it to bed now. Your height is NOT stopping you from getting women. In my opinion of course

[dasein]

"You hear that, v? You see how women ruin everything? You ought to be ashamed of yourself." --dasein, abridged

 

1. Feminism does not = "women." Feminism, for the most part, = leftist victimization, polar, identity politics. My posts on that on this board are clear with respect to that position.

 

As far as strawman goes here, par for the course, but put my -posting handle- on gross distortions of what I post again and I will take it up with moderation.

 

2. As far as "women" generally goes, asking women to accept some accountability for their dating behaviors, their mile long list of requirements, preferences based on vanity, etc. is not the equivalent claiming women "ruin" everything.

 

In this thread, OP claims, essentially, that it is superficial for women to require a man much taller than her in parameters on an OLD site. In this whole giant thread, few if any women have simply stepped up and acknowledged the truth of this relatively uncontroversial characterization. If the thread were about men -requiring- that a woman be ten years younger to date, or requiring women have a D cup size to date them, male posters here would likely agree that is superficial without hesitation.

 

IMO men are much more open to accepting accountability for foibles of general male dating behavior and preferences, and pretty much everything else, than women are, at least as reflected here on LS.

 

Of course, the sweet irony is that getting caught up in gender roles is what misled you from personal growth in the first place, from your own account, which academic study of gender could easily help you understand, liberating you from that burden. Gee, I wonder which viewpoint will lead you to a happy and positive life?

 

As far as the stream of whatever above, I do have a "happy and positive" life. You know nothing about my life. I'm not "caught up in gender roles," whatever that means, but suggest that 1) feminists or any other practitioners of victimization, polarity politics are the ones who make too big a deal of gender, and are the ones who dress everything aspect of life in gender clothing... they determined and insisted on the tenor of dialogue long ago, and 2) women who rationalize every aspect of general female behavior are getting too caught up in gender identity at the expense of "human" reason, responsibility and accountability.

 

It's simply not that big a deal to admit that a 5'2" woman who demands a 6' tall man is being as superficial as the man who will only date D cup women or women much younger, and be done with it. This thread doesn't need to be 20+ pages long and stale female poster rationalizations are the main reason it is.

Edited March 25, 2012 by dasein

[somedude81]

How have I screwed myself when every girl I have ever liked has turned me down?

 

In case you were thinking it, I don't tell, them, "Hi I'm SD81, I hate being short and I'm desperate, will you have my babies?"

 

So you now short guys who get laid; can you describe them as good looking, and/or do they have a very high level of confidence?

[oaks]

But which one is the majority?

 

I have no idea about which is the majority, just that you're not invisible to all women because of your height. Sometimes it seems that you're more interesting in complaining than actually trying to get a date.