Don't you hate when SHORT women require TALL men???

[gaius]

It couldn't just be that she isn't attracted to him?

I don't think it's a coincidence that the women here who listed the highest salary requirements in a man have a history of either being hung up on one guy or dating/being interested in men who are far away, saving them from the torture of having to deal with the guy in person.

 

Besides, women who really want a guy with a lot of money usually have techniques of getting that without saying it directly. “I love to travel and have taken two trips this year” is a common phrase on dating sites. Saying you want someone who makes 120k++ is either trolling or just meant to turn off guys.

[phineas]

Why the extreme percentage? 90% is a stretch, I would say.....

 

I don't think you could say whether it's a minority or not, considering there are probably over 3 billion women on the planet - and there are probably millions where you live in Cali, I doubt that 90% of them won't date you. You're not screwed at all.

 

Well, they have cancer clusters, rabies cluster's, ect.

 

He could be living in a "picky Cluster"

 

It could happen, right?

[somedude81]

I have no idea about which is the majority, just that you're not invisible to all women because of your height. Sometimes it seems that you're more interesting in complaining than actually trying to get a date.

That's because that 99% of the time that I try to get a date, I'm turned down.

 

All that's left for me to do is complain and try to find out why.

[phineas]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the women here who listed the highest salary requirements in a man have a history of either being hung up on one guy or dating/being interested in men who are far away, saving them from the torture of having to deal with the guy in person.

 

Besides, women who really want a guy with a lot of money usually have techniques of getting that without saying it directly. “I love to travel and have taken two trips this year” is a common phrase on dating sites. Saying you want someone who makes 120k++ is either trolling or just meant to turn off guys.

 

Yep, yep, and yep.

I've had an attractive woman my age favorite me on match.com.

I haven't emailed her.

Why?

Because her name is "travel Girl" & she's listed 75k as her "preference" for man while not listing her own salary.

 

She has many pictures of herself in tropical locations ect.

 

also she felt the need to mention a dead-beat ex-husband that cheated on her & some medical issues she's over come along with her going back to school & besides that being a major turn-off I can only assume she has a butt-load of school loans & looking for a guy to pay her way.

 

Funilly enough her other "preferences" are basically blank, don't care, ect.

To me it seems all she really does care about is money.

[dasein]

feminism =/= women.

 

You must have missed the last sentence, where he calls out an entire gender for disrupting society.

 

Once more, calling out women who feel they are perpetually victimized by men, is not calling out "women." We've had to listen to that particular victimization bilge, and endure the accompanying social attitudes, the type that are everywhere on this board for instance, for 50 years now.

 

Don't like that we are beginning to respond in kind? Tough. Get used to it.

 

Feminism does not = women.

 

Hating feminism, and deriding its puerile, socially corrosive and dishonest core does not = misogyny.

 

As much as you and others would like it to.

[ThaWholigan]

How have I screwed myself when every girl I have ever liked has turned me down?

 

In case you were thinking it, I don't tell, them, "Hi I'm SD81, I hate being short and I'm desperate, will you have my babies?"

 

So you know short guys who get laid; can you describe them as good looking, and/or do they have a very high level of confidence?

 

I know ugly short dudes who get laid. Good looking short dudes who get laid. Some who are very confident like my brother. Some who aren't as confident, but just about enough that they can successfully talk to girls. The point is, height is not the issue. They don't actually care that women may reject them for their height, the concept is alien to them.

 

 

2. As far as "women" generally goes, asking women to accept some accountability for their dating behaviors, their mile long list of requirements, preferences based on vanity, etc. is not the equivalent claiming women "ruin" everything.

 

In this thread, OP claims, essentially, that it is superficial for women to require a man much taller than her in parameters on an OLD site. In this whole giant thread, few if any women have simply stepped up and acknowledged the truth of this relatively uncontroversial characterization. If the thread were about men -requiring- that a woman be ten years younger to date, or requiring women have a D cup size to date them, male posters here would likely agree that is superficial without hesitation.

 

IMO men are much more open to accepting accountability for foibles of general male dating behavior and preferences, and pretty much everything else, than women are, at least as reflected here on LS.

 

 

 

As far as the stream of whatever above, I do have a "happy and positive" life. You know nothing about my life. I'm not "caught up in gender roles," whatever that means, but suggest that 1) feminists or any other practitioners of victimization, polarity politics are the ones who make too big a deal of gender, and are the ones who dress everything aspect of life in gender clothing... they determined and insisted on the tenor of dialogue long ago, and 2) women who rationalize every aspect of general female behavior are getting too caught up in gender identity at the expense of "human" reason, responsibility and accountability.

 

It's simply not that big a deal to admit that a 5'2" woman who demands a 6' tall man is being as superficial as the man who will only date D cup women or women much younger, and be done with it. This thread doesn't need to be 20+ pages long and stale female poster rationalizations are the main reason it is.

 

Strangely enough, in my lifetime, I have seen more men hold their actions accountable than women do. I find that a lot of women tend to have a list of justifications for everything they do, whether right or wrong. Like the guys here who make excuses for stuff, but women do it a lot I have found. They usually do hold themselves accountable occasionally but often privately, but there are some who never ever hold themselves accountable for anything.

 

Veggirl was one who did acknowledge that she never understood women who demand a man over 6 foot despite being 5 foot 2. However, there were a couple of female posters who explained that they have dated short guys and been attracted to them, but they are often very attracted to tall guys too. There weren't that many justifications in my observations, just acknowledgements.

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that the women here who listed the highest salary requirements in a man have a history of either being hung up on one guy or dating/being interested in men who are far away, saving them from the torture of having to deal with the guy in person.

 

Besides, women who really want a guy with a lot of money usually have techniques of getting that without saying it directly. “I love to travel and have taken two trips this year” is a common phrase on dating sites. Saying you want someone who makes 120k++ is either trolling or just meant to turn off guys.

 

Sometimes the elusive nature of a particular man can make him more attractive to women. Absence really can make the heart grow fonder. But also, they tend to have many options because of their attractiveness, whether physical or in general, hence their elusiveness.

 

I have no idea about which is the majority, just that you're not invisible to all women because of your height. Sometimes it seems that you're more interesting in complaining than actually trying to get a date.

 

Sometimes it seems that way too. It is particularly attractive if it's your comfort zone way of thinking though.

 

Well, they have cancer clusters, rabies cluster's, ect.

 

He could be living in a "picky Cluster"

 

It could happen, right?

 

Well, admittedly......he does live in Cali . Cali seems like quite a picky place. Is Beverley Hills near SoCal?? I quite like that 90210 show, I don't know why . Silver is hot

[somedude81]

I know ugly short dudes who get laid. Good looking short dudes who get laid. Some who are very confident like my brother. Some who aren't as confident, but just about enough that they can successfully talk to girls. The point is, height is not the issue. They don't actually care that women may reject them for their height, the concept is alien to them.

That's me.

 

Though they probably have game and know what to say. I haven't learned that, and it's more than just studying PU.

 

After not carrying that women may reject them, they've probably have had a decent amount of success and are not worried about a couple of failures.

 

Do you know any guys who never get laid? Have they told you why they think they can't?

Well, admittedly......he does live in Cali . Cali seems like quite a picky place. Is Beverley Hills near SoCal?? I quite like that 90210 show, I don't know why . Silver is hot

Beverly Hills is in SoCal, very close to Los Angeles.

[Els]

Oh come on. If LS is an accurate representation of a general gender trend, then the unavoidable conclusion would be that the majority of men are bitter, angry, and lonely souls who blame any misfortunes that have ever befallen mankind on feminism and women's mistakes while ignoring the planks in their own eyes.

 

Fortunately, my experience with men has demonstrated that this is not the case.

[somedude81]

Oh come on. If LS is an accurate representation of a general gender trend, then the unavoidable conclusion would be that the majority of men are bitter, angry, and lonely souls who blame any misfortunes that have ever befallen mankind on feminism and women's mistakes while ignoring the planks in their own eyes.

 

Fortunately, my experience with men has demonstrated that this is not the case.

That's cause you don't live in SoCal

[Els]

Eh, I'd forgotten my quotes, SD. That wasn't a response to you, it was to dasein's post >.> :

 

IMO men are much more open to accepting accountability for foibles of general male dating behavior and preferences, and pretty much everything else, than women are, at least as reflected here on LS.

 

But, maybe.

[Anela]

I don't think it's a coincidence that the women here who listed the highest salary requirements in a man have a history of either being hung up on one guy or dating/being interested in men who are far away, saving them from the torture of having to deal with the guy in person.

 

Besides, women who really want a guy with a lot of money usually have techniques of getting that without saying it directly. “I love to travel and have taken two trips this year” is a common phrase on dating sites. Saying you want someone who makes 120k++ is either trolling or just meant to turn off guys.

 

I thought we were talking about height?

[Anela]

Well, they have cancer clusters, rabies cluster's, ect.

 

He could be living in a "picky Cluster"

 

It could happen, right?

 

Who was it that came up with the website pickybItches.com, a couple of weeks ago? I was out with my mother, trying to choose between things for a project, and joked to her that I should log onto that site when I got home. She then asked me if I wanted to go shopping for shoes afterwards (I can spend hours trying to choose, for several reasons - I don't love shoes that much).

 

Yet, I would date a man who is 5'7". I was once attracted to a man who was all of 5'2".

[ThaWholigan]

That's me.

 

Though they probably have game and know what to say. I haven't learned that, and it's more than just studying PU.

 

After not carrying that women may reject them, they've probably have had a decent amount of success and are not worried about a couple of failures.

 

Do you know any guys who never get laid? Have they told you why they think they can't?Beverly Hills is in SoCal, very close to Los Angeles.

 

Yeah, game is more than PUA. Who's bootcamp did you go to by the way??

Inner game is just as important, you feel better about yourself and everything.

 

I know a couple of guys who never get laid. They don't need to tell me why they can't, I know why. They are afraid, because they lack confidence in themselves. I understand this, I was (and kinda still) the same. Difference is I'm working on it and don't really intend on stopping any time soon.

 

It's true they didn't care about women rejecting them. But they have had to build that up too. So there's hope for you yet.

[somedude81]

Yeah, game is more than PUA. Who's bootcamp did you go to by the way??

Inner game is just as important, you feel better about yourself and everything.

It was Tyler Durden's right before he started to get popular. Frankly I thought it was a waste of money and I was just delegated to one of his coaches and he had bunch of us guys asking who lies more to women in bars.

 

And yes, my inner game has always been really bad. I had a bad childhood which pretty much screwed me up, and getting rejected by every girl I liked, didn't actually give me much confidence either. I was basically told I was a loser, and life confirmed it.

I know a couple of guys who never get laid. They don't need to tell me why they can't, I know why. They are afraid, because they lack confidence in themselves. I understand this, I was (and kinda still) the same. Difference is I'm working on it and don't really intend on stopping any time soon.

 

It's true they didn't care about women rejecting them. But they have had to build that up too. So there's hope for you yet.

That's not it, I'm interested in seeing what they say is their reason for getting rejected.

[dasein]

For me, an important factor is whether the person is criticising feminism or making it a scapegoat for all ills.

 

Poster verhzn asks, deep in this thread, where the concept of men and women as "the other" came from and what is the remedy? It doesn't surprise me at all that you characterize my response to that direct question as "making feminism the scapegoat for all ills." Nor does it surprise me that you use the disingenuous "scapegoat" characterization in an attempt to dismiss my response, instead of discussing whether feminism is indeed responsible for the cultural notion of men and women being "the other" or not.

 

Actually respond to the words and ideas I posted? Oh heavens no. In this I don't blame you, because you are underequipped to respond in any legitimate way.

 

Before that post and that specific question, you will find my replies, if you bothered to read them, in this thread -do not- lay all of societies or gender evils at the door of feminism, but rather state plainly that people of either gender with such requirements are probably not suitable dating partners, and that the height insistence in women is a function of vanity.

 

You will also find that, other than the back and forth in certain threads that become gender charged, a vast majority of my replies to posters here contain honest, unbiased dating advice, and no gender politics whatsoever.

 

Feminism is an important factor in dating today, feminists made it so. And feminism is -especially- an important factor on this board, where a contingent of feminists lies in wait to "defend the sisterhood at all costs," bandwagon and pile on men who don't toe the "proper line," let alone those men who dare to vent on a dating board in a way that offends the "thin skinned victim class." You can see their posting names at the bottom of posts here, "liking" whatever fallacious, unreasoned posts promote the "sisterhood." Don't bother arguing this, readers can read for themselves.

 

when the scapegoating ("everything wrong in the western world/every conflict between men and women is caused by feminism") then it starts to sound pretty crazy...and I think anybody preaching that is probably going to find themselves either ignored or under attack.

 

How dare you dishonestly characterize mine or any other poster's posts here as "crazy," it's just as bad as other usual suspects here claiming that people who disagree with them have aspergers or some other mental defect. Are you so lazy that you can't formulate a reasoned response to someone's position that you have to resort to dishonest dismissal tactics like that?

 

And how dare you compare, by implication, my posts to some deranged killer in Norway? how f-cking obnoxious. As much as I rant about the left here, you won't see me sanctimoniously insinutating that they are all the equivalent of Unabombers waiting to happen. If I did, I'd have far, far more ammunition in my belt though, as the history of the modern left is a history of death threats and bomb tossing.

 

Erin Pizzey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Focus on the "overview" section.

 

There's not a shortage of voices on the internet to enable that kind of thinking (though I'm sure none of them anticipated the tragic outcome he was working towards).

 

Sure, disagreement = deranged murderer. We get your point.

 

I'm not sure what "not feminist" is supposed to look like. If it's possible for a woman to function competently as a person, to hold her own beliefs and opinions and to maintain any awareness of issues that affect women more than men (and therefore equip herself to deal with those issues) without at some point being labelled as a feminist.

 

Don't buy this, readers. Feminists delight in playing the "who me?" card at every opportunity, "not all feminists are like that," "I'm one of the -good- ones, I only believe in equality." "There are many strains of feminism, and whatever bad things you see feminists doing are those bad militant feminists." Then right back to the discriminatory, victimization politics they go. But read up on it and decide for yourselves. My position is that feminism is all "one thing," and has always acted thus other than when its time for tuition checks to be written, grants to be applied for, or votes to be got. Then it plays nice until the ink is dry on the check.

 

Ask yourself whether a person who characterizes opposition to feminism as "crazy" is a feminist or not.

 

Neither can the madness of people like Sodini or Breivik or the woman who wrote the Scum Manifesto and tried to shoot Andy Warhol.

 

Disagree with feminism, you are Sodini or Breivik, point out the truly crazy origins of certain elements of feminist doctrine... "oh that wasn't mainstream feminism." Despite the fact that every single women's studies department in the world still uses the nutjob Solanas to "rally the troops" and indoctrinate the next gullible wave of sheep.

[ThaWholigan]

It was Tyler Durden's right before he started to get popular. Frankly I thought it was a waste of money and I was just delegated to one of his coaches and he had bunch of us guys asking who lies more to women in bars.

 

And yes, my inner game has always been really bad. I had a bad childhood which pretty much screwed me up, and getting rejected by every girl I liked, didn't actually give me much confidence either. I was basically told I was a loser, and life confirmed it.

 

A life coach or a mentor would probably be better for you. I still say you should download that link I gave you about inner game. It's the most comprehensive and best one, and really helped me out when I was confused.

 

RSD as far as I know don't have a great rep where I am anyway, I hear Love Systems is better.

 

That's not it, I'm interested in seeing what they say is their reason for getting rejected.

 

Most of them believed that girls did not like them and thought they were ugly. Save the fact that I visibly saw girls who were interested in them. Girls don't always find the same things attractive. I've met girls who don't like guys with 6 packs, can you believe .

[Els]

Poster verhzn asks, deep in this thread, where the concept of men and women as "the other" came from and what is the remedy? It doesn't surprise me at all that you characterize my response to that direct question as "making feminism the scapegoat for all ills." Nor does it surprise me that you use the disingenuous "scapegoat" characterization in an attempt to dismiss my response, instead of discussing whether feminism is indeed responsible for the cultural notion of men and women being "the other" or not.

 

Actually respond to the words and ideas I posted? Oh heavens no. In this I don't blame you, because you are underequipped to respond in any legitimate way.

 

Before that post and that specific question, you will find my replies, if you bothered to read them, in this thread -do not- lay all of societies or gender evils at the door of feminism, but rather state plainly that people of either gender with such requirements are probably not suitable dating partners, and that the height insistence in women is a function of vanity.

 

You will also find that, other than the back and forth in certain threads that become gender charged, a vast majority of my replies to posters here contain honest, unbiased dating advice, and no gender politics whatsoever.

 

Feminism is an important factor in dating today, feminists made it so. And feminism is -especially- an important factor on this board, where a contingent of feminists lies in wait to "defend the sisterhood at all costs," bandwagon and pile on men who don't toe the "proper line," let alone those men who dare to vent on a dating board in a way that offends the "thin skinned victim class." You can see their posting names at the bottom of posts here, "liking" whatever fallacious, unreasoned posts promote the "sisterhood." Don't bother arguing this, readers can read for themselves.

 

 

 

How dare you dishonestly characterize mine or any other poster's posts here as "crazy," it's just as bad as other usual suspects here claiming that people who disagree with them have aspergers or some other mental defect. Are you so lazy that you can't formulate a reasoned response to someone's position that you have to resort to dishonest dismissal tactics like that?

 

And how dare you compare, by implication, my posts to some deranged killer in Norway? how f-cking obnoxious. As much as I rant about the left here, you won't see me sanctimoniously insinutating that they are all the equivalent of Unabombers waiting to happen. If I did, I'd have far, far more ammunition in my belt though, as the history of the modern left is a history of death threats and bomb tossing.

 

Erin Pizzey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Focus on the "overview" section.

 

 

 

Sure, disagreement = deranged murderer. We get your point.

 

 

 

Don't buy this, readers. Feminists delight in playing the "who me?" card at every opportunity, "not all feminists are like that," "I'm one of the -good- ones, I only believe in equality." "There are many strains of feminism, and whatever bad things you see feminists doing are those bad militant feminists." Then right back to the discriminatory, victimization politics they go. But read up on it and decide for yourselves. My position is that feminism is all "one thing," and has always acted thus other than when its time for tuition checks to be written, grants to be applied for, or votes to be got. Then it plays nice until the ink is dry on the check.

 

Ask yourself whether a person who characterizes opposition to feminism as "crazy" is a feminist or not.

 

 

 

Disagree with feminism, you are Sodini or Breivik, point out the truly crazy origins of certain elements of feminist doctrine... "oh that wasn't mainstream feminism." Despite the fact that every single women's studies department in the world still uses the nutjob Solanas to "rally the troops" and indoctrinate the next gullible wave of sheep.

 

For someone who claims that men in general are much more accepting of accountability towards their mistakes and flaws and 'pretty much everything else' than women are, you certainly have much blaming and precious little 'male' accountability in your own posts. Are you mayhaps a woman in disguise?

[jobaba]

 

I know a couple of guys who never get laid. They don't need to tell me why they can't, I know why. They are afraid, because they lack confidence in themselves. I understand this, I was (and kinda still) the same. Difference is I'm working on it and don't really intend on stopping any time soon.

 

It's true they didn't care about women rejecting them. But they have had to build that up too. So there's hope for you yet.

 

I know a handful of guys (thinking of maybe 4) who are well into their mid 30s and have never been laid or had a GF as far as I know. They've probably been laid, but more in terms of pay for sex or flings here and there.

 

They are relatively normal guys with decent social skills, have college degrees, decent jobs, and an array of hobbies.

 

None of them are particularly good looking, but none are hideous either.

 

They just are not aggressive with women. If you are a below average looking guy, you MUST be aggressive with women. You must face rejection and keep coming.

 

They are also non-aggressive in other aspects of life too. They are content living at home even though they have the means to move out. Just too passive in general.

[dasein]

Oh come on. If LS is an accurate representation of a general gender trend, then the unavoidable conclusion would be that the majority of men are bitter, angry, and lonely souls who blame any misfortunes that have ever befallen mankind on feminism and women's mistakes while ignoring the planks in their own eyes.

 

Fortunately, my experience with men has demonstrated that this is not the case.

 

I don't doubt at all that there is a very large supplicating, white knight contingent of men out there who listen with rapt attention to whatever ridiculous, irrational things come out of women's mouths merely as part of male sex seeking behavior. I freely acknowledge this to be a fault of modern men, and have been guilty of it myself. Listening to drivel about astrology, crystals, tarot, fortune telling, and feminism with a sympathetic ear has gotten me laid on -numerous- occasions, and I freely admit a degree of hypocrisy in that respect.

Edited March 25, 2012 by dasein

[somedude81]

I know a handful of guys (thinking of maybe 4) who are well into their mid 30s and have never been laid or had a GF as far as I know. They've probably been laid, but more in terms of pay for sex or flings here and there.

 

They are relatively normal guys with decent social skills, have college degrees, decent jobs, and an array of hobbies.

 

None of them are particularly good looking, but none are hideous either.

They just are not aggressive with women. If you are a below average looking guy, you MUST be aggressive with women. You must face rejection and keep coming.

 

They are also non-aggressive in other aspects of life too. They are content living at home even though they have the means to move out. Just too passive in general.

I completely agree with you.

 

But how do you get that aggressiveness when all you've done is be kicked down your whole life? The spirit is already broken, no fight left.

[dasein]

For someone who claims that men in general are much more accepting of accountability towards their mistakes and flaws and 'pretty much everything else' than women are, you certainly have much blaming and precious little 'male' accountability in your own posts. Are you mayhaps a woman in disguise?

 

Oh, I see, women are free to call men's disagreeable POV "crazy" and by implication indicative of a tendency to become a mass murderer, and men are expected to turn the other cheek like good little boys?

 

Be "happy faced" that she got a wall o text in response and not reported, as that post was arguably a violation of the forum rules.

[Els]

Oh, I see, women are free to call men's disagreeable POV "crazy" and by implication indicative of a tendency to become a mass murderer, and men are expected to turn the other cheek like good little boys?

 

Be "happy faced" that she got a wall o text in response and not reported, as that post was arguably a violation of the forum rules.

 

Men? No, who was talking about 'men' in general? It isn't 'men' who have 2044 posts blaming women and feminism for everything under the sun, with 0 admission of own fault in anything, ever. It's you. Which is funny, because that is the exact same thing that you claimed women do.

[jobaba]

I completely agree with you.

 

But how do you get that aggressiveness when all you've done is be kicked down your whole life? The spirit is already broken, no fight left.

 

The guys I'm thinking of actually barely try. They don't go to bars and hit on girls, don't do online dating, and if they meet a woman that is a possibility, don't really try and put the 'moves and swag' on her ... just kind of ask her out and hope for the best. So they don't really face that much rejection. One of the guys never even talks about women (or men). He's kind of content being asexual.

 

Me, on the other hand ... I'm more like you. I've been rejected probably over 200 times. And I've gotten lucky a few times, had a few girlfriends. But I've had to face rejection killing my self esteem and a few times had my heart majorly ripped out of me, just like with you and the last woman. Unrequited love has inflicted major pain on my life.

 

Which situation is better?

 

I don't know.

[jobaba]

I completely agree with you.

 

But how do you get that aggressiveness when all you've done is be kicked down your whole life? The spirit is already broken, no fight left.

 

I would also like to say that one of my other friends about the same range is a complete slob, big drinker, has no couth and has limited social skills, at least in a mean/median sense. He's one of those guys that if you meet him at work, you think he might come in on Friday and start shooting the place up (though he's a good dude once you know him).

 

He has been able to get some girls and has a really cool solid GF right now because he goes balls out and faces rejection.

 

He and I like to swap stories of the women who have rejected us.

[johan]

How have I screwed myself when every girl I have ever liked has turned me down?

 

In case you were thinking it, I don't tell, them, "Hi I'm SD81, I hate being short and I'm desperate, will you have my babies?"

 

So you now short guys who get laid; can you describe them as good looking, and/or do they have a very high level of confidence?

 

Maybe you should just give up. If it's a losing proposition and absolutely nothing can be done, then just let it go. Why carry the burden of caring about it? Aren't there other things in life that are meaningful? Monks seem to live ok. Guys in prison survive. You'll be ok, too. Find something else to occupy your thoughts so you don't have keep banging the same tired old drum.