Don't you hate when SHORT women require TALL men???

[ThaWholigan]

I don't care if people have fetishes. You will never see me complain about men and what they prefer or want. If a man likes big boobs, big ass, skinny, Asian...it doesn't bother me one bit.

 

Of course I would have loved a short son. I have two and my youngest is only eight, he's short. And I love him. He is one of the tallest in the class but maybe he'll stop growing young. I'll love him just the same. However, if my short son was whiny about it, I'd be telling him to get over himself.

 

When I met my husband, and was attracted to his height, maybe my 15 year old brain was subconsciously acting on instinct. To make the next generation taller. That's what I meant. Just like men across all cultures prefer a low waist hip ratio in women. There was a study that even blind men prefer a low waist hip ratio. So in essence, I think our brains are programmed to like certain things. Of course we can override that instinct, but why? I should override my instinct to prefer tall guys just so short guys feel better? I sympathize with your plight, but come on.

 

J Lo's boyfriend is playing up his other assets. Most short guys won't have to go that extreme. But seriously, women can feel insecurity radiating from some men, and it's not attractive. No matter what your shortcomings, focusing on them and getting mad about things you can't change won't help. A lot of women are going to prefer taller men, but there are a lot that don't. Just find those ones.

I have a shorter brother. He is 5 foot 6. Out of all the short guys I know (I have known plenty over the years), most of them are extremely popular with women and get laid all the time. My brother is no different. He owns his height, it doesn't even register to him that girls won't like him because he is small. I suppose he is much happier about his life in general and about where his life is going. He also has developed in other areas of his life.

 

I swear, this stuff only exists on the internet, because I never see it in real life.

[Hetzer]

I don't care if people have fetishes. You will never see me complain about men and what they prefer or want. If a man likes big boobs, big ass, skinny, Asian...it doesn't bother me one bit. [/Quote]

 

 

So I guess you wouldn't care if someone dated you just because they had a fetish for one of your physical features? Is your last name Kardashian?

 

Of course I would have loved a short son. I have two and my youngest is only eight, he's short. And I love him. He is one of the tallest in the class but maybe he'll stop growing young. I'll love him just the same. However, if my short son was whiny about it, I'd be telling him to get over himself. [/Quote]

 

Yeah, get over yourself son. Mommy dated a man specifically so you wouldn't have a certain physically trait I personally possess, I'm sure you could be trusted to never "instinctually" treat such a son poorly just because of his height.

 

If your "instincts" (why would a short woman have an instinct to only date 6 footers??) are so hard to control , you expect me to believe you wouldn't mistreat your son and lament, or favor your taller children? You are a creep, and claim you can't control that, so why wouldn't you act like a cruel/mentally ill woman towards your kids?

 

I'm sure if the group of people we were talking about was homosexual, female, or black or especially Jewish, you wouldn't just tell them to "get over it". Not saying being a "short man" is an identity, it isn't (then again I'd say the same thing about homos and women) , but it is a physical trait that women by and large despise, and we're just supposed to "get over it" ?

 

 

 

 

When I met my husband, and was attracted to his height, maybe my 15 year old brain was subconsciously acting on instinct. Just like men across all cultures prefer a low waist hip ratio in women. There was a study that even blind men prefer a low waist hip ratio. So in essence, I think our brains are programmed to like certain things. Of course we can override that instinct, but why? I should override my instinct to prefer tall guys just so short guys feel better? I sympathize with your plight, but come on. [/Quote]

 

 

I can't personally tell a womans hip to waist ratio right off the bat. I've liked quite a few girls who had almost no hips, and see plenty of women with not so great hip to waist ratios who are popular with men. There is no comparison, it's just more projection so that people like you don't feel like the creeps you are.

 

It's akin to a fetish, and the line between that and "preference" is purposely blurred by women like you who don't want to feel like the obsessed creeps you are.

 

J Lo's boyfriend is playing up his other assets. Most short guys won't have to go that extreme. But seriously, women can feel insecurity radiating from some men, and it's not attractive. No matter what your shortcomings, focusing on them and getting mad about things you can't change won't help. A lot of women are going to prefer taller men, but there are a lot that don't. Just find those ones.

 

What amazing advice!

 

"There is nothing a guy under 6' can do to make me date him, but play up your other assets and stop whining. Just go out and find women willing to date you because it's really that easy, despite the fact that I'm just another drop in the ocean of the far below average height women who still won't date a guy who isn't far above average height."

[Hetzer]

I recently discovered that I want him to be able to kick ass. Being a woman, small, younger looking, pretty, but not stunning, I usually have to rely on my wit and my sharp tongue to gain respect with people. Recently, it hasn't been working that great and I'm starting to believe now that it would be much easier being a guy and tall! To hell with peaceful conflict resolution!

 

I don't understand where women get the idea that tall guys are stronger or better fighters ("protectors").

 

I've beaten up tall guys, lost fights to tall guys, beaten up short guys, lost fights to short guys, all equally. In my experience, there are advantages to tall and short in combat, but I would argue that being a strong short guy is actually more advantages than being a strong tall guy, as the tall guy is a bigger target and once you get in his reach shorter arms muster more power. So it's not that tall guys are by default better protectors/fighters.

 

I've noticed that on average, taller guys also have a harder time staying in good shape, studies show tall men have a higher incidence of heart disease, debilitating/wasting muscle diseases, back problems, and various cancers. Of course shorter men are at a higher risk for other diseases, such as diabetes, but the point is that it's not that tall people are healthier.

 

 

Whatever the explanation is for women's tall guy fetish, it's not about combat prowess or genetic health, but women need to validate their creepiness with those myths so it becomes mainstream opinion.

 

It's like if a guy with an Asian fetish said he dates Asian women and watches Asian porn because Asian women have greater genetic health and give birth to healthier babies than white women. The female world would be up in arms if that was the mainstream concensus among yellow fever sufferers.

Edited March 24, 2012 by Hetzer

[verhrzn]

I have a shorter brother. He is 5 foot 6. Out of all the short guys I know (I have known plenty over the years), most of them are extremely popular with women and get laid all the time. My brother is no different. He owns his height, it doesn't even register to him that girls won't like him because he is small. I suppose he is much happier about his life in general and about where his life is going. He also has developed in other areas of his life.

 

I swear, this stuff only exists on the internet, because I never see it in real life.

 

Likewise. I have short and tall male friends who do well with women, and I have short and tall male friends who don't. It wasn't until I got to this board I even started hearing complaints that short men are so disadvantaged-and I have heard a lot of male complaints.

 

But what do I know? I'm just a Dworkin... whatever that is.

[jerbear]

Stop bitching, it's embarrassing.

yeah, slap them then back slap them and then revoke their man cards.

[Hetzer]

Yes , we have to "act like men" but only when it benefits women in the form of not calling them on their bull****.

 

If I could really act "like a man" used to, then I would be out having fun like say, the Vikings, whisking women off the coastal towns of Europe onto their boats. But you see, that kind of masculinity is not very useful for women to feel good about everything they do (although secretly, they'd love it though they'll never admit it).

[sweetjasmine]

Oh, and Stung makes an incredible point. How is this different from your own stated preference of women with larger breasts? I recall you going as far as to say that you have trouble being attracted to a woman with smaller breasts, and that it would be a persistent issue in a relationship.

 

What's going on here?

 

What's going on is you're arguing with a guy who thinks the world would be a better place if women weren't allowed to choose who they partner up with. Of course he'll maintain double standards (because women shouldn't have standards at all) and of course he'll fixate on anything that makes him feel like a victim (because admitting that the whole world isn't against you and that you have some power to change your situation is scary).

[Hetzer]

What's going on is you're arguing with a guy who thinks the world would be a better place if women weren't allowed to choose who they partner up with. Of course he'll maintain double standards (because women shouldn't have standards at all) and of course he'll fixate on anything that makes him feel like a victim (because admitting that the whole world isn't against you and that you have some power to change your situation is scary).

 

 

He isn't the only one whose felt that way. In fact, the idea that the world would be a better place if women didn't choose who they partner up with has pretty much been a universal conclusion in a variety of different cultures throughout most of human history except for now.

 

Those times also had low illegitimacy rates, less divorce, less crime, better morals, and people seemed to simply care about one another more. I'll let your moral system decide whether those statistics made the world a better place.

[jerbear]

I have a shorter brother. He is 5 foot 6. Out of all the short guys I know (I have known plenty over the years), most of them are extremely popular with women and get laid all the time. My brother is no different. He owns his height, it doesn't even register to him that girls won't like him because he is small. I suppose he is much happier about his life in general and about where his life is going. He also has developed in other areas of his life.

That is the thing, your brother, owned his height and realizes that he can't control things so he owns it. The key is his overall package, he improved other areas of his life and quite frankly, if a tall girl doesn't like it, tell her to take a hike.

 

For the readers reading this advice:

Honestly pay for the cab and then tell her to take a hike; be a gentleman.

 

Likewise. I have short and tall male friends who do well with women, and I have short and tall male friends who don't. It wasn't until I got to this board I even started hearing complaints that short men are so disadvantaged-and I have heard a lot of male complaints.

They have not enlighten to the point where understand there are things they can't control. They can get surgery to "grow" height.

[Badsingularity]

Guys.

 

Drop the insecurity and stop worrying about your height. You will not change women and what they are attracted to by telling them they are wrong. You will only frustrate yourself and get angrier and angrier. You will not change women.

 

Do you want to be more attractive to women?

 

Then drop your insecurity about your height and stop thinking about it. It only makes them feel less attraction for you?

 

If you let go of your insecurity about your height you will automatically become more attractive. If that's what you want, then this is what you should do.

[Yamaha]

the preference of women for tall men is mostly about vanity and fashion. A tall BF looks better with her outfits, heels, more like a fashion shoot than her standing next to a shorter man. A tall BF also plays better among her competitive female friends as a badge of social value.

 

Ding, Ding, Ding..

We have a winner....

[Hetzer]

Guys.

 

Drop the insecurity and stop worrying about your height. You will not change women and what they are attracted to by telling them they are wrong. You will only frustrate yourself and get angrier and angrier. You will not change women.

 

Do you want to be more attractive to women?

 

Then drop your insecurity about your height and stop thinking about it. It only makes them feel less attraction for you?

 

If you let go of your insecurity about your height you will automatically become more attractive. If that's what you want, then this is what you should do.

 

 

Would you say this about largely mythological, yet none the less sacred, concepts such as "fighting racism " or "fighting sexism"? Would you tell people in these "favored" minority groups like Poo Pirates and lesbians to drop the chip on their shoulder?

 

If a woman has a right to reject me solely for my height, then I have, for example, the right to reject someone to work for my company solely based on their race, gender, or sexual perversions. But I would get taken to court over that, wouldn't I?

[Badsingularity]

Would you say this about largely mythological, yet none the less sacred, concepts such as "fighting racism " or "fighting sexism"? Would you tell people in these "favored" minority groups like Poo Pirates and lesbians to drop the chip on their shoulder?

 

If a woman has a right to reject me solely for my height, then I have, for example, the right to reject someone to work for my company solely based on their race, gender, or sexual perversions. But I would get taken to court over that, wouldn't I?

 

We are talking about women and how they are attracted to men.

 

It is not something they have control over.

 

When a man is whining and crying all the time, this sends a subconscious signal to womens brains that turns them off. They can't help it.

 

When a man stops whining and complaining and instead seems to have everything under control, this sends a subconcious ( and conscious) signal to womens brains that turns them on or at the very least does not turn them off.

 

A mans presence, confidence, and inner strength are more powerful attraction triggers in the female mind than height is.

 

A women who claims she will only date men over a certain height will sometimes, when encountered by a man with the above traits, feel a powerfull attraction for him and throw her height requirement out the window.

 

 

Work on becoming a strong, fearless, humble, loving, kind, passionate man and you will become highly attractive to women.

[phineas]

Hmm. I'm a six foot tall woman. This thread is full of shorter men who are angry at women for stating they have a height preference that the shorter men don't match--yet every single one of these men has stated outright that he would not date a woman of my height. What's most interesting to me, is that each of these men protests vehemently that there isn't any hypocrisy there, when to me (and several other posters, apparently) it's so clear it's practically shining. Should I be outraged that men who hate women who don't date men their height, won't date women my height? Should I hate those men? No, I'm just kind of wearily amused--I mean, I have seen this thread a dozen times before.

 

For whatever it's worth, I can understand the sensitivity displayed around the world "spoiled" earlier--although I do think that the unfortunate word choice blinded many posters to that female poster's ultimate message, which was actually pretty benevolent. I would suggest that the posters who took umbrage at the use of the world spoiled keep this episode in mind the next time they suggest that women can "upgrade" themselves by getting surgery on their breasts. Few women will happily embrace the idea that men consider their natural human selves upgradable with exchangeable parts, like a gaming console. Just a tip.

 

5'8" here. i met two women out last summer taller than me tell me it would bug them too much to date me because I was shorter.

 

This was AFTER they had sex with me.

 

Gimmie a call, I'm not a-scared.

[Bob_Funk]

So date 4's. Or, better yet, develop charisma and masculine confidence and charm a 7 off her feet. I mean, heck, Louis CK has a huge female following... if I met a guy like him in real life, I'd be totally smitten, and he is in no way a Greek God in face or body.

 

Here's a small secret: if you seek out only shallow women (as in, judge a woman entirely by her outer appearance) you'll be judged equally in turn. shallow begets shallow. But, if you look deeper, you'll find lots of beautiful women who are more than willing to take a "5 in the face" with a great sense of humor and/or caring personality.

 

4's won't even spit in my direction. I'd KILL for a 4.

 

Looks aren't everything, but there has to be some physical attraction. It's not like I'm asking for a lot. Just don't be huge.

[TheBigQuestion]

I'm 6'1" and ladies love it. They tell me so all the time. Suck on that.

 

 

^ So what's actually worse? Gloating or the petulant whining going on in this thread?

 

[Bob_Funk]

Btw, Louis C.K. used to go to hookers as a young man, because he couldn't get a girl the proper way. So much for personality mattering.*

[phineas]

I'm 6'1" and ladies love it. They tell me so all the time. Suck on that.

 

 

^ So what's actually worse? Gloating or the petulant whining going on in this thread?

 

 

Tough call.

Whiner vs. Captain obvious.......

[TheBigQuestion]

Btw, Louis C.K. used to go to hookers as a young man, because he couldn't get a girl the proper way. So much for personality mattering.*

 

Is he short too?

 

Because shortness is certainly the kiss of death for men. You might as well not even talk to women if you're a short guy.

 

Not my problem. Short girls dig me a lot. They can climb my luscious 6'1" frame like a tree.

[Quiet Storm]

So I guess you wouldn't care if someone dated you just because they had a fetish for one of your physical features? Is your last name Kardashian?

Height wasn't the only reason I dated my husband. It was just one of the many things that initially attracted me to him. He found things about me physically attractive, as well. I don't think that is a fetish, I think it's a preference and simple human attraction.

 

 

Yeah get over yourself son. Mommy dated a man specifically so you wouldn't have a certain physically trait I personally possess, I'm sure you could be trusted to never "instinctually" treat such a son poorly just because of his height.

Again, height wasn't the only reason I dated my husband. And I would not treat a short son differently. I love all of my kids. But if I do have a short son, I would do my best to foster confidence in him so he wouldn't have these issues. I would not encourage him to be whiny and blame women.

 

If your "instincts" (why would a short woman have an instinct to only date 6 footers??) are so hard to control , you expect me to believe you wouldn't mistreat your son and lament, or favor your taller children? You are a creep, and claim you can't control that, so why wouldn't you act like a cruel/mentally ill woman towards your kids?

I'm sure if the group of people we were talking about was homosexual, female, or black or especially Jewish, you wouldn't just tell them to "get over it". Not saying being a "short man" is an identity, it isn't (then again I'd say the same thing about homos and women) , but it is a physical trait that women by and large despise, and we're just supposed to "get over it" ?

It's not that my instincts are hard to control. I have good self control. It's just that I don't think there is anything wrong with having preferences, and I don't think it is something that must be controlled. There are men that prefer blondes, Asians, fair skinned or whatever, and I have no issues with that.

 

Why would women have that instinct? Who knows, really? That's kind of what instinct is- you don't think about it, it just is. Protection, safety, larger future generations? It's a mystery, but I do feel that there is some basis in biology or evolution for this preference. It wasn't something I did on purpose, it is just a quality that I was naturally drawn to.

 

I don't act cruel or mentally ill towards my kids. I wouldn't no matter what their height is. I don't act cruel or mentally ill towards any short man, either. I do not disrespect them or think they are inferior, so I don't understand why you think I am a creep?

 

If a Jewish guy was on here telling us that nobody liked him because he was Jewish, I would tell him to go hang around different people. Eventually he would meet one that didn't care about him being Jewish. Crying about it isn't going to make the ones that don't like him change their mind.

 

 

 

I can't personally tell a womans hip to waist ratio right off the bat. I've liked quite a few girls who had almost no hips, and see plenty of women with not so great hip to waist ratios who are popular with men. There is no comparison, it's just more projection so that people like you don't feel like the creeps you are.

 

It's akin to a fetish, and the line between that and "preference" is purposely blurred by women like you who don't want to feel like the obsessed creeps you are.

Most men want the waist to be smaller than the hips, from my experience. I don't feel like a creep because I married a tall guy. And I'm not rationalizing away my guilt by saying that men have preferences, because most do.

 

 

What amazing advice!

 

"There is nothing a guy under 6' can do to make me date him, but play up your other assets and stop whining. Just go out and find women willing to date you because it's really that easy, despite the fact that I'm just another drop in the ocean of the far below average height women who still won't date a guy who isn't far above average height

My dating days are long over. There are girls that date short guys, they are on here saying that. I just think whining about isn't going to solve your problem. Venting about it may make you feel better, though. You may not have gotten height, but there are other things about you that may attract women. You need to find out what they are and learn how to maximize it. Personality goes a long way with a woman.

 

Since all short women that are attracted to tall guys are creeps, you should be glad that we are removed from your dating pool.

 

You can't control other people, only yourself. Getting mad at short women is just a waste of time, it just makes you bitter. Thinking that way is just going to bring you down.

 

[Hetzer]

Is he short too?

 

Because shortness is certainly the kiss of death for men. You might as well not even talk to women if you're a short guy.

 

Not my problem. Short girls dig me a lot. They can climb my luscious 6'1" frame like a tree.

 

 

No, but he's ginger. Freckly pasty ginger men don't have it as bad if they're tall, but that doesn't mean much.

 

Yes. I think there is something to what women say is a correlation between short guys towards women, it's a loose one but it's there. If you were rejected time and time again immediatly by women, then you see the very same women fawning over someone just for being tall, it's going to leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

 

Imagine being a relatively good looking, manly and intelligent 5'8 guy and seeing all the women circle and start masturbating over this genetic flunkee in rapist glasses instead, without considering anything else: http://www.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1016276!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_370/image.jpg

Edited March 24, 2012 by Hetzer

[TheBigQuestion]

No, but he's ginger. Freckly pasty ginger men don't have it as bad if they're tall, but that doesn't mean much.

 

Yes. I think there is something to what women say is a correlation between short guys towards women, it's a loose one but it's there. If you were rejected time and time again immediatly by women, then you see the very same women fawning over someone just for being tall, it's going to leave a bitter taste in your mouth.

 

Imagine being a relatively good looking, manly and intelligent 5'8 guy and seeing all the women circle and start masturbating over this genetic flunkee in rapist glasses instead, without considering anything else: http://www.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1016276!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_370/image.jpg

 

I can imagine it easily. The last time I was 5'8", I was in 7th grade. I experienced your inferior genetics as a middle schooler, friend.

 

Any dude who can get hitched to that woman kicks serious ass at life. It doesn't matter what you say about his appearance or his stupid glasses.

[counterman]

I approached a girl the other day who told me she had a boyfriend. Then somewhere in the conversation I said to her "I want to see if this guy is a friendly guy or not". Her reply to that was "he's 6'5"' -- straight away she spoke about something else after saying that. But it was clear that she worshipped his height. It's not a natural thing to say. And she was only 5' or 5'1".

 

You still get girls that have a requirement for height. Some of them are insecure and need to feel protected and need to feel feminine. Some want to show off their tall boyfriend to their friends and family. In saying that, there are plenty of other girls who simply don't care. So, is this an issue that we should get worked up about? Height is something you can't control; there are so many other things you can work on, number one being not caring what some short women require. If a girl rejects you because you're short, there are plenty of other girls who won't.

[TheBigQuestion]

I approached a girl the other day who told me she had a boyfriend. Then somewhere in the conversation I said to her "I want to see if this guy is a friendly guy or not". Her reply to that was "he's 6'5"' -- straight away she spoke about something else after saying that. But it was clear that she worshipped his height. It's not a natural thing to say. And she was only 5' or 5'1".

 

You still get girls that have a requirement for height. Some of them are insecure and need to feel protected and need to feel feminine. Some want to show off their tall boyfriend to their friends and family. In saying that, there are plenty of other girls who simply don't care. So, is this an issue that we should get worked up about? Height is something you can't control; there are so many other things you can work on, number one being not caring what some short women require. If a girl rejects you because you're short, there are plenty of other girls who won't.

 

Nah dude. Don't you know that if you aren't 6' tall, virtually no woman is going to want to date you? I mean, all these dudes in this thread are saying it so it obviously has to be true! How couldn't it?!!

[Hetzer]

I can imagine it easily. The last time I was 5'8", I was in 7th grade. I experienced your inferior genetics as a middle schooler, friend.

 

Any dude who can get hitched to that woman kicks serious ass at life. It doesn't matter what you say about his appearance or his stupid glasses.

 

 

...He doesn't kick ass at life. He plays supporting roles in low budget visual piles of sh it like devil and Super Troopers . If Geoffrey Arend was 5'8 instead of 6'5 , he would've killed himself a long time ago (with good reason).