Don't you hate when SHORT women require TALL men???

[Mme. Chaucer]

This thread was fun but I'm officially bowing out.

 

I'd like to thank all the woman who made me fee like dirt, intentionally or not.

 

Good night all.

 

You make yourself feel like dirt. Don't give all the credit to others.

[udolipixie]

Strong women do exist and but just like male chest beaters people who talk about it the loudest are often the ones who do not do it.

I've had the same experience with guys who claim they're nice, good or decent.

 

The strongest women I have known are the ones who seem very sweet and soft on the outside but are as tough as a nail inside. I have often found that the ones who protest the loudest about being strong and independent are usually hiding a very soft core.

Different experiences as I've found that most women seem to have no matter what they appear to be on the inside have a very soft core.

 

I haven't meant many tough core women much less tough as nails.

 

I had a FWB like that once and she turned into jelly once she found a man she could not wrap around he finger.

So she turns jelly into one incident not seeing how that entails a very soft core as to me it'd take turning into jelly quickly or quite often.

 

As I've seen plenty people who turn to jelly in certain incidents.

[EmpoweredWoman]

Strong women do exist and but just like male chest beaters people who talk about it the loudest are often the ones who do not do it. The strongest women I have known are the ones who seem very sweet and soft on the outside but are as tough as a nail inside. I have often found that the ones who protest the loudest about being strong and independent are usually hiding a very soft core. I had a FWB like that once and she turned into jelly once she found a man she could not wrap around he finger.

 

 

Oh yeah, I never said there weren't strong women. I know a few, my mom is a really strong woman whose been through a lot and came out unscathed (she's been through things these "Alpha Women" like Frustrated Standard, would blow their brains over, like a dangerous cancer that required amputation), I actually admire her and guess what? SHE'S A HOMEMAKER whose warm hearted, empathetic, emotionally sensitive, and always wears dresses! That is what I call a powerful woman who I actually look up to, but she'll never be on the cover of a woman's magazine as a role model, she doesn't fit the social engineers' agenda.

 

The issue I have is that when I hear the term "Alpha Woman" I chuckle and imagine soulless, cold hearted cunts in business suits, goose stepping down Fifth Avenue in their 300 dollar shoes, looking the same, acting the same, and who send a chill down your spine when they glance at you with their robotic "I think I'm stronger than men because I think being strong means to mimick the behavior of some male a-holes" look in their eye. Those are the women that shouldn't be taken seriously, yet the Hillary's and Margaret Thatchers of the world seem to paraded as role models for women in the corrupt wall street democracies of the world.

 

 

Men (and women) who are lacking in one area oftentimes try to compensate in another. Big, built and muscular men usually try to make up for smaller things. [/Quote]

 

A great example of the plastic, pathetic hollywood masculinity modern women parade as ideal. People here say I'm going to live a miserable life, but the reality is that it's the bitches (unfortunately , the vast majority in my generation) who think happiness is chasing foreign cars, height and water bloated cretin muscles who are dead inside.

[Woggle]

I don't know about the rest of her life but when I refused to fall in love with her and degrade myself for her she just turned into jelly and it is not the first example I have seen. Women like her are the female equivalent of those chest beaters who deep down are wimps.

[udolipixie]

I don't know about the rest of her life but when I refused to fall in love with her and degrade myself for her she just turned into jelly and it is not the first example I have seen. Women like her are the female equivalent of those chest beaters who deep down are wimps.

I'm not seeing how this is hiding a very soft core and she's not tough as she turned to jelly when you displayed you weren't going to degrade yourself.

 

To me it'd be not as tough if she was weak-minded, let others push her around, cared heavily about what others thought, let men take advantage of her, was a flounder in relationships etc.

 

Her turning jelly when she encountered a guy who wasn't going to degrade himself for her is no different to me than the plenty of incidents that turn gals/guys I know into jelly.

[Woggle]

I'm not seeing how this is hiding a very soft core and she's not tough as she turned to jelly when you displayed you weren't going to degrade yourself.

 

To me it'd be not as tough if she was weak-minded, let others push her around, cared heavily about what others thought, let men take advantage of her, was a flounder in relationships etc.

 

Her turning jelly when she encountered a guy who wasn't going to degrade himself for her is no different to me than the plenty of incidents that turn gals/guys I know into jelly.

 

She was the type that seemed to get off on making men fall in love with her and then crushing their hearts. That did not work with me and I guess it hurt her ego. It is a classic case of a player meeting somebody she couldn't play.

[udolipixie]

She was the type that seemed to get off on making men fall in love with her and then crushing their hearts. That did not work with me and I guess it hurt her ego. It is a classic case of a player meeting somebody she couldn't play.

She turned to jelly or hurt her ego when she couldn't play a guy to me that's not displaying a lack of toughness or her not being tough and having a very soft core.

 

It's not as if she was weal-minded, let others push her around, cared heavily about what others thought, let men take advantage of her, was a flounder in relationships etc.

 

Perhaps we have different definition of what's not tough is a person who's ego gets hurt by an incident isn't tough to you?

[Woggle]

She turned to jelly or hurt her ego when she couldn't play a guy to me that's not displaying a lack of toughness or her not being tough and having a very soft core.

 

It's not as if she was weal-minded, let others push her around, cared heavily about what others thought, let men take advantage of her, was a flounder in relationships etc.

 

Perhaps we have different definition of what's not tough is a person who's ego gets hurt by an incident isn't tough to you?

 

Somebody who is crushed because one person does not bend to their will is not tough at all. I also constantly told her to get lost and she would declare her love for me.

[udolipixie]

Somebody who is crushed because one person does not bend to their will is not tough at all. I also constantly told her to get lost and she would declare her love for me.

Then that describes a lot of men and women going by my accounts. Most of those women being the very sweet and soft on the outside types.

 

I was unaware of her reaction as you stated turned to jelly because you weren't going to degrade yourself then hurt her ego when her game didn't work on you.

 

So to you a person who is crushed by a person specifically not bending to their will aka doing what they want isn't tough. Okay

[Els]

OK, it's challenge time people!

 

How can a short guy get a postive message from FrustratedStandards post?

 

Ready, go!

 

You do know that this is equivalent to asking: How can a woman get a positive message from musemaj1's posts? Is the problem with the women or the poster, if none of them can?

[Woggle]

Then that describes a lot of men and women going by my accounts. Most of those women being the very sweet and soft on the outside types.

 

I was unaware of her reaction as you stated turned to jelly because you weren't going to degrade yourself then hurt her ego when her game didn't work on you.

 

So to you a person who is crushed by a person specifically not bending to their will aka doing what they want isn't tough. Okay

 

Very true. Like I said her type are the female versions of the big chest beating guys who like bully people they consider weaker than them.

[EmpoweredWoman]

This thread was fun but I'm officially bowing out.

 

I'd like to thank all the woman who made me fee like dirt, intentionally or not.

 

Good night all.

 

 

Stop putting yourself down. It's not your fault, it's womens.

 

Be a man and go and put some women down (verbally and emotionally, I'm not condoning violence). We men need to stop hanging our heads in shame, and start putting bitches back in their rightful place.

[udolipixie]

Very true. Like I said her type are the female versions of the big chest beating guys who like bully people they consider weaker than them.

 

Egh different opinions to me the equal comparisons are:

The protest too much independent female who is heavily dependent on men in a way or various ways such as caring heavily what men think, bends backwards to please men, let's men take advantage, let's men push her around aka i.

 

The big chest beating guys who bullies people weaker than him and is incapable of defending himself when bullied or is against a guy his size or bigger.

[udolipixie]

Stop putting yourself down. It's not your fault, it's womens.

Amusing since you always seem to be on a rant on how women always blame men for everything without showing any quotes or evidence.

 

Yet you fail to see the hypocrisy when you constantly bemoan how it's women's fault for when men or a man does something.

 

Be a man and go and put some women down (verbally and emotionally, I'm not condoning violence). We men need to stop hanging our heads in shame, and start putting bitches back in their rightful place.

What is this place to you?

[Anela]

Geez, I mention a guy who's short and seen as masculine, and he's immediately described by more than one of you, as a weak little chest-beater? He's short, and he has a woman who is madly in love with him.

 

My dad is short, and still got the woman of his dreams - my mother. He isn't rich or famous - he was shy. He isn't a chest-beater, either.

 

I've liked men who are short, but I don't count. I know of other women who have dated and married short men, but it seems they don't count either.

 

bloody hell.

[EmpoweredWoman]

Amusing since you always seem to be on a rant on how women always blame men for everything without showing any quotes or evidence.

Yet you fail to see the hypocrisy when you constantly bemoan how it's women's fault for when men or a man does something.

 

Women blame men for way more complex and over reaching things that extend far above 90% of men not dating a certain type of woman. Women by and large are more sheepish and gullible than men, so politicians and moneyed interests find it easy to organize them into voting blocs by inventing a problem and blaming men for it.

 

If any of you women on loveshack had a heart, you would start a charity plate and pay to have him fly to you and bang you. The guys hurting, hurting real bad, way more than I could ever imagine and it comes across in his posts. All he needs is a glimmer of hope, a helping hand to jerk him off into fruition at the end of a passionate love making session, to build his strengths back up and let him go out there and do what he has to do. Men are people to, and can let hope slip away from them. It's probably too late for me, women just consume me with rage but there's also other things that piss me off (womens attitudes are just a symptom) at this point, but not for Mr Dude who has no real philosophical opposition to the way women work, he wants to join in too but hasn't felt a woman accept him intimately in a long time.

 

But instead you women just tell him "MAN UP", "BE MORE CONFIDENT GIRLS WONT CARE IF YOU ARE" , "SOME WOMEN DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HEIGHT", while the very people giving him this advice turn around and say "ew gross I would have to really desperate to be with a guy under 5'10". That's what disappoints him. This is the dog-eat-dog mentality that every single person whose stuck in a rut deserves to be there, especially if they're men.

 

What about helping people ? IF I saw a girl on this forum who was suffering as bad as SD81, I would do the same exact thing myself, regardless of my (laughably simple) standards. But alas, the maybe 1 or 2 women here who claim to have it sooo bad like Verzhn, i have no way to give them what they want, and if I did, they wouldn't want it with a "shorty" like me

 

 

 

 

What is this place to you?[/Quote]

 

The place is a place where you can see the world from another persons perspective, instead of everything revolving about what makes YOU and all the other "modern, Alpha Women" feel good.

Edited March 27, 2012 by EmpoweredWoman

[dasein]

The issue I have is that when I hear the term "Alpha Woman" I chuckle and imagine soulless, cold hearted xxxx in business suits, goose stepping down Fifth Avenue in their 300 dollar shoes, looking the same, acting the same, and who send a chill down your spine when they glance at you with their robotic "I think I'm stronger than men because I think being strong means to mimick the behavior of some male a-holes" look in their eye.

 

Going to chime in with a vent here, because going woefully off topic on "Alpha" women is not going to damage this "thread of gravitas."

 

I don't imagine these types, I know them, have been forced to share corporate space with them, hundreds of them over the years. Notice I didn't say "work with them" because they do -no work whatsoever- or at least nothing that you, I or anyone in their organization would deem productive "work." They latch onto whatever old school geezer in power is nearest, go under the desk until they have enough ammo for the harrassment suit, and then proceed to lead the hollow SATC type "work" experience until they screw half of Wall Street, rope the "Big" I-banker and retire at 32, (blessedly before the stock tanks entirely) to birth their hellish brood.

 

They love to talk about marketing and branding and hiring consultants for image or this or that, what color drapes are in the conference room... even though they work in -accounting- and are paid to account. They will natter on endlessly about what brand of coffee is in the breakroom, where the Christmas party will be held, anything other than what they are actually being PAID to do. I have seen female accountants who couldn't operate a basic HP calculator, and female "securities attorneys" who couldn't explain what a "bond" is to a client. Could go on and on.

 

They are a truly massive drag on productivity and morale in this country, and IMO, a big factor in why corporate America is sinking today. For every one of these in an office (and there are usually many) some man has to do their work unfairly, morale plummets, good people leave in droves, until only the useless cupcakes remain. If they aren't actually under a desk in a corner office, they are making the people who do the necessary work utterly miserable with their incompetence (despite somehow coming to possess Ivy League degrees... thank you gender normed tests, gender biased "public education" and affirmative edu action!), drama and feeble attempts at political maneuvering.

 

Now the -other- women, those who play the game straight, will hunker down and work every bit as hard as the men. They make their bones, they rise to power in the organization honestly, they don't whinewhine about not making equal pay if they decide to go have kids for three years... they know they aren't up to snuff when they come back because they are -honest-, not lying freeloaders, and freely admit they are behind years in experience and don't deserve equal pay with the man (or woman) who stayed around and gained experience.

 

Those women are the true "alphas" or should be in a non bizarro world, because they go right in and sweat with the men. And they HATE, utterly detest the other types more than you ever thought you heard a man hating on women, get one of the few hard-working women on the subject of SATC tarts in her workplace, and stand back because you will never hear such a level of vile imprecations that can blow the paint off walls as you will hear when one of the few good ones goes off on the "typical corporate female" she has to work with.

 

The real alpha women are in a tiny tiny minority. I feel bad for them because they tend to be less shiny and polished, the others steal their thunder and make management wary of promoting women after so many "cupcake" disasters. The good ones do suffer for playing things the right way in corporate america, I will give them that. Interestingly enough, this dynamic, other than the half-senile horny old geezer getting blown, works out entirely between women, one type of woman screwing the other, so on second thought, it's hard to tell who is the alpha and who is the beta there, but not hard to tell that everyone suffers, shareholders, consumers, everyone in this country.

 

But yeah, I know exactly what you are describing.

[EmpoweredWoman]

Thank you for that great post Dasein, you are truly a powerful and poetic voice of sanity in thoroughly insane times. Do you write for any type of magazine or blog? I would be interested in reading some of your thoughts as they put things into perspective.

 

I'm pretty much against the Corporate system as a whole (IE, monopoly capitalism), I think smaller is better. I've worked in some small businesses that do stuff like Drywalling, painting , etc and they work more fluidly, with a more friendly/comradely work environment than the big faceless corporations, simply because you can get away with hiring who you want, instead of what lobbyists and affirmative action hustlers want. Having women around you in the work place is so exhausting, they just don't belong in certain professions, especially ones that give them power over you (they work you like an animal, have unreasonable deadlines, piss and moan about really small details, only for the results of your work to be completely mismanaged and leaving you feeling like all that was for nothing).

 

There are only a handful of sectors in America that are progressing at any measurable rate, and they're all male dominated. One of them is Computers. Every month, computers make new strides forward, becomming faster and cheaper. Fortunately for IT science, the feminists haven't sniffed out that women make up a very small percentage of developers in this field, but it's only a matter of time before they find out and start calling for boycotts.

Edited March 27, 2012 by EmpoweredWoman

[Anela]

But instead you women just tell him "MAN UP", "BE MORE CONFIDENT GIRLS WONT CARE IF YOU ARE" , "SOME WOMEN DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR HEIGHT", while the very people giving him this advice turn around and say "ew gross I would have to really desperate to be with a guy under 5'10".

 

Hey, I never said "ew, gross" to being involved with a short man.

[phineas]

Hey, I never said "ew, gross" to being involved with a short man.

 

I don't think you did.

However, I know more women who have vs women who haven't.

 

and funnily enough I know more women 5'6" - 5'9" dating men in the same height range than shorter women.

[xxoo]

i want a guy that is bigger than me...therefore yes I want someone a good amount taller than me. Get mad all you want, but that is my preference. I can not deal with guys that are around my size.

 

A man can be around my height, and still 50-70# heavier than me.

 

Men and women can have very different size/build, even if they are the same height.

[Els]

and funnily enough I know more women 5'6" - 5'9" dating men in the same height range than shorter women.

 

And that could not possibly have to do with the fact that the majority of Caucasian men are in the 5'6" - 5'9" height range, thus statistically making it more likely for a woman to be dating those men? That's like saying I know more 5'3" - 5'8" men dating women in the same height range than taller men.

[PinkInTheLimo]

just something that has begun to anger me. i'm 5'8, so not terribly short, but short(er). most of my girlfriends have usually been between 5'2 and 5'5, no taller than that. maybe it's an insecurity thing, most likely in fact, but i don't like girls that are close to my height (heels would put them taller). so basically i'm already picking from say half of the girls (5'5 and under). then i see so many of these shorter girls, on dating sites, say they need a tall man.

 

like who the hell are you? lol that's my initial reaction, most likely irrational (i guess we can all demand certain qualities and shouldn't be judged for them). but i just find it a little ridiculous, that these short girls refuse to date shorter guys. it's a bit lame.

 

Well, one could also ask you why you don't like taller girls... Guys here who complain about being discriminated in one way are another are often very discriminatory themselves. Just look at Somedude who has very particular wishes about a woman's breast size.

 

These short girls for some reason want a guy to be towering above them, and you want to tower above a small girl.

I am 5.55 myself and I prefer a guy to be a bit taller than me, if he's cute it's even OK if he's my height. I just would not feel comfortable with a guy who is so small that if I hug him I squeeze his face against my breasts . I tend not to feel attracted to very tall guys. Don't know why, maybe because my dad is not tall (but he's cute).

[Woggle]

Geez, I mention a guy who's short and seen as masculine, and he's immediately described by more than one of you, as a weak little chest-beater? He's short, and he has a woman who is madly in love with him.

 

My dad is short, and still got the woman of his dreams - my mother. He isn't rich or famous - he was shy. He isn't a chest-beater, either.

 

I've liked men who are short, but I don't count. I know of other women who have dated and married short men, but it seems they don't count either.

 

bloody hell.

 

I know there are plenty of women like this which is why I always make sure to say that not all women think like this but I do notice a lot of women who are tough as nails in the day that want a strong men to make them feel feminine because they are so take charge in other aspects of life. These are the kind of women I see who really have a thing about height.

[serial muse]

I don't think you did.

However, I know more women who have vs women who haven't.

 

and funnily enough I know more women 5'6" - 5'9" dating men in the same height range than shorter women.

 

I think this is true, actually, at least from a very informal look around at my friends. I'm 5'6" and have dated men of different heights, including as short as 5'4". My H is 5'9". I have several very close friends of just about the same height as me, and their partners are all around 5'7" to 5'9". But I also have a couple of considerably shorter friends, around 5'0" to 5'2", and they specifically prefer very tall men.

 

One friend did explain it as saying that she likes really tall men BECAUSE she is so short. So, that's her thing.

 

But I guess it's worth pointing out to the guys in the 5'6" to 5'9" range that you should consider going for women around the same height as you - assuming you don't need to be significantly taller (in which case that's your height preference - and let go of the heels thing too), then you might find you have more options than you think you do.