Professor X Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Professor X, why are you friends with this guy? Cause he makes me laugh, and he ain't making any moves on them or even anything remotely close, so I don't care. I am not any less womanly then someone with bigger hips or breasts. Plus, there is a difference between not being attracted to my body type and telling me that you don't think I am womanly compared to others. What is the difference exactly? Everything has a reason. Only because you don't know why you like the type of men you do doesn't make it more right or me wrong. I think petite, skinny, breast-less girls are kid looking and far from womanly - doesn't mean I'm right, just means what I think. Doesn't mean I won't be attracted to you, did happen once, but generally speaking, I like em curvy. And really, if you think you are womanly, more power to you, you don't need convince me or any other guy who thinks like me, I am only stating my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
irin Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 i will never understand the world obsession with weight, im very naturally skinny and ive had so many hateful comments from women, especially older women they look at me like im dirt! been called anorexic even though i have never been on diet, i eat like a pig. and ive always been more attract people who are bit chubby! Link to post Share on other sites
brokenTom Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 So I am not a firm believer that big hips and big breasts are all about "baby making abilities". Neither am I, I merely said it's "considered by many" to be that way. I agree with what you are saying, but am ABSOLUTELY NOT telling you what you "should" feel. Your feelings are valid and unique to you, I think you understand this and I hope you don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites
brokenTom Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Also, I am a guy and consider myself more "womenly" then "manly"... has little to do with my looks and more to do with my attitude and interests. I realize my feminine side probably turns off other women that might otherwise find an attraction, but so what? That's their problem, not mine. Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Professor X Cause he makes me laugh, and he ain't making any moves on them or even anything remotely close, so I don't care. Gosh, this is just so strange to me. Sure, he isn't making moves but he is certainly eying them up and most likely having fantasies about such young girls. That alone is skeevy. I wonder how many people would knowingly be friends with others that checked out younger kids. And yes, 12-16 are kids. Clearly a 16 year old is more developed then a 12 year old but still a far cry from a full grown woman. What is the difference exactly? Everything has a reason. Only because you don't know why you like the type of men you do doesn't make it more right or me wrong. I think petite, skinny, breast-less girls are kid looking and far from womanly - doesn't mean I'm right, just means what I think. Because feminity and masculinity incorporate more then just the physical. Also because different cultures have different subjective signs about what makes one masculine or feminine. Since that can change from culture to culture, the things in western culture that are upheld to a standard aren't really a great barometer for such things since these things change and are fluid. Now I perfectly get being turned on by women with hour glass shapes and big breasts. I just don't get the equation to that meaning they are more feminine. After all, there are many women with big breasts that aren't feminine at all. Again, I can understand not being attracted to a certain body type. Such as skinny girls with small breasts. I just don't understand the equation to their womaness. I guess I just have seen enough bad behavior from guys that looked masculine to know that they really aren't really all that masculine to know the lie of their looks. I've seen guys that where 5'3 have more bravity and heroism then guys that were 6 feet. I try not to let book covers decieve me. And for me, masculinity runs deeper then the height a man stands or the width of his shoulders. There is nothing wrong with what you are attracted to! I just don't see how it equates to a more womanly woman. Today I just saw a bunch of Rubens paintings. Back then what was considered womanly, wouldn't be considered the same way today. Looks and what societies deem are acceptable looks are fluid and change. They are not purely based on "biology" and there for, not fully based on one's masculinity or femininity. Link to post Share on other sites
jennisfora Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 i went on a date recently with a guy, who texted me after saying my build wasn't athletic enough...true, im not supertoned, but im not fat. was so insulted. my pride was hurt more than anything. I had never been rejected for that reason before. I am 125 lbs, but alot of the extra weight is in the chest region, which few have complained about before..im naturally petite except for that area, and its all natural...guess he prefers ultra skinny girls. his loss. Link to post Share on other sites
Professor X Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Gosh, this is just so strange to me. Sure, he isn't making moves but he is certainly eying them up and most likely having fantasies about such young girls. That alone is skeevy. I wonder how many people would knowingly be friends with others that checked out younger kids. And yes, 12-16 are kids. Clearly a 16 year old is more developed then a 12 year old but still a far cry from a full grown woman. Everyone got fantasies, some are "kosher" and some are less, but nonetheless, they are fantasies, and you shouldn't judge someone based on them. I've met some really lovely people who shared with me their fantasies, and oh boy, you'd be surprised (like sex with animals, sex with teens, etc and both were female btw). I'm sure your own deep desires would scare some people away, but I'm also sure you didn't share it with to many - so one can never be sure. Because feminity and masculinity incorporate more then just the physical. Have I stated otherwise anywhere? I thought we were talking purely about the physiques of a person, since I can never determine their personality until I actually get to know them - which by than their attractiveness (and by that extent their femininity) to me would consist of other things. Again, I can understand not being attracted to a certain body type. Such as skinny girls with small breasts. I just don't understand the equation to their womaness. Again, I was talking purely about the physiques. I have no doubt you are an extremely nice, caring, gentle feminine woman and if I'd see you on the street I wouldn't think "oh, she's probably very childish", I'd think something like, well, nothing really, cause I probably wouldn't pay attention to you. I hope you don't take it personally, cause it's not. I hit on a petite woman once, after I got to know her a bit (that's how I got to be attracted to her), she had a gentle voice, a bit shy, very feminine - she turned out to be a bitch though (she tried to keep her having a BF a secret lol). Link to post Share on other sites
phineas Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 i will never understand the world obsession with weight, im very naturally skinny and ive had so many hateful comments from women, especially older women they look at me like im dirt! been called anorexic even though i have never been on diet, i eat like a pig. and ive always been more attract people who are bit chubby! LOL! I see it at work all the time. The overweight women grazing at the food table in their department not liking someone because their naturally skinny. I got an idea, put the plate down & step away from the calorie dense food? Link to post Share on other sites
Professor X Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 i will never understand the world obsession with weight, im very naturally skinny and ive had so many hateful comments from women, especially older women they look at me like im dirt! been called anorexic even though i have never been on diet, i eat like a pig. and ive always been more attract people who are bit chubby! They are jealous, don't mind them. Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Professor X Everyone got fantasies, some are "kosher" and some are less, but nonetheless, they are fantasies, and you shouldn't judge someone based on them. That's a bit to PC for me. I am naturally going to judge people that have fantasies of early teens. There is a difference between not having "kosher" fantasies and dreaming of kids. Have I stated otherwise anywhere? I thought we were talking purely about the physiques of a person, since I can never determine their personality until I actually get to know them - which by than their attractiveness (and by that extent their femininity) to me would consist of other things. Again, I was talking purely about the physiques. I have no doubt you are an extremely nice, caring, gentle feminine woman and if I'd see you on the street I wouldn't think "oh, she's probably very childish", I'd think something like, well, nothing really, cause I probably wouldn't pay attention to you. Again, I don't really care what you personally like Prof X. Or what you would think if you saw me on the street. The fact that you articulate this is strange as well. I know there are men that are attracted to me and men that aren't. I don't need you to specfically create stituations where you think "nothing" of me. And again, I see nothing wrong with liking one type of body over the other. I see something messed up about correlating that to someone being more "womanly". I hope you don't take it personally, cause it's not. I hit on a petite woman once, after I got to know her a bit (that's how I got to be attracted to her), she had a gentle voice, a bit shy, very feminine - she turned out to be a bitch though (she tried to keep her having a BF a secret lol). Honestly, I don't know how to take it. Someone telling you they would ignore you or not think of you at all isn't really a nice thing to say. And I do think you do mean it a bit personally otherwise you would have worded it differently. I have no doubt petite women can be mean. I am also confused by this interjection. All in all, it wouldn't matter if you where my physical type or not at this point. Since we are being so honest. I couldn't respect a man that knowingly had male friends that was sexually attracted to underage young teen girls. Link to post Share on other sites
Necris Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 That's a bit to PC for me. I am naturally going to judge people that have fantasies of early teens. There is a difference between not having "kosher" fantasies and dreaming of kids. Again, I don't really care what you personally like Prof X. Or what you would think if you saw me on the street. The fact that you articulate this is strange as well. I know there are men that are attracted to me and men that aren't. I don't need you to specfically create stituations where you think "nothing" of me. And again, I see nothing wrong with liking one type of body over the other. I see something messed up about correlating that to someone being more "womanly". Honestly, I don't know how to take it. Someone telling you they would ignore you or not think of you at all isn't really a nice thing to say. And I do think you do mean it a bit personally otherwise you would have worded it differently. I have no doubt petite women can be mean. I am also confused by this interjection. All in all, it wouldn't matter if you where my physical type or not at this point. Since we are being so honest. I couldn't respect a man that knowingly had male friends that was sexually attracted to underage young teen girls. I knew a guy in college who I used to be friends with before I transferred who had a girlfriend who was still in Highschool (I believe she was about 15 or 14 at the most 16 but I doubt she was 16) anyway while I found that odd he was also a pretty cool guy very smart, pretty good friend, a seemingly strong Christian (loved talking about the bible, and going to church) so him dating a underaged girl seemed strange, he'd also get mad at any jokes I made about it so I left it alone. As for attraction I believe humans are attracted to what they subconsciously feel as healthy as there is a strong relationship between attractiveness and health. As for myself I like skinny girls, but I also like normal and overweight girls (if her weight is in the right places;) and not obese a little extra fat is all good but I simply can't find obese women attractive in any sense). It mainly depends on the woman some people look better skinny others with a little more fat. Link to post Share on other sites
Thieves Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 but when a guy wants to date bigger women, I feel like it is celebrated (unless it's one of those grossly overweight feederism things, ew) do you experience this? A guy who openly says he likes skinny women is often seen as in the wrong OP, I don't know so much about guys being looked at strangely for only liking skinny women -- sometimes it seems like that's automatically expected of men in our society, as that's what is majorly portrayed in the media and has been for quite a while now. Like I've said in another thread, I'm a pretty petite woman and often wish I had a few more pounds on me. I'd be more than happy to find a guy who's satisfied with my body type, though. I still have boobs and a butt, but there are times when I wish I had a more 'womanly' figure. It's hard when people ask if you ever eat enough, and it can get really ****ing annoying when you keep telling them you eat as much as you can. I try to eat healthy as well, but apparently that's not good enough unless they see me stuffing my face with ice cream and chips 24/7. Anyhow, I definitely don't agree with men being too judgmental about women who have a bit of extra weight on them since it can be really sexy on the right girl... Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Anyhow, I definitely don't agree with men being too judgmental about women who have a bit of extra weight on them since it can be really sexy on the right girl... But that's only if it's in the right spot.... and genetically speaking, if you have boobs and a butt as a small girl, you'll have boobs and a butt as a big girl. It's only if naturally thin and gain weight that you'll grow those "womanly" parts, but you won't strategically grow them, you'll grow a stomach and big thighs alongside. Gaining weight doesn't change the distribution of fat, it just adds more onto everything. My observation is that guys are very judgmental of weight, if it doesn't fall along those "specific fat distribution" lines. From what I've experienced and seen and heard, the perfect girl is someone with a tiny waist and flat stomach, but with big boobs and a rounded butt. Link to post Share on other sites
ScreamingTrees Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 oh, u have not struck a nerve, and it is not an odd reason that I commented on your opinion; which, by the way, I agree that all opinions are equal and welcome differing opinions from my own:) I simply have a long face, like Denise Richards ( not too long in a bad way, an attractive oval), therefore my nose is in proportion to my face; not a cute, more upturned nose, that looks cute and petite in my profile. My nose is thin and refined, and is not dented to the extent of it being unnattractive. I have always disliked my nose, simple because it is the different between me being very attractive, and being just attractive. I am very attractive, besides my nose; straight teeth, thick lips, nice shaped face, clear skin, and a curvy body with big boobs and butt. My NOSE, is the ONLY thing that prevents me from looking really good. I grew up with a nose that was not small, although not large; on girls, I prefer cuter, smaller noses, therefore of course, I see comments like yours about noses, that strike a chord with me. Growing up with a similar nose to that lady ( albiet smaller, not as prominant), I have always abhored my nose. It is pretty normaly and standard of a person to want what they don't have. Well, I used to hate most of my features, but I've come to take great pride in my appearance and my unique qualities. I also have a long, oval-shaped face (My cheek bones give me a diamond shape) And I've got a long, wavy nose.. But I feel like it's perfect for me. I used to hate everything about myself, but now I know I was just crazy. I don't think it is the difference that you're seeing. That's in your head.. Someone who you consider very attractive could find that nose very attractive. If you saw me and found me attractive, would that not change your mind a little bit about your nose being what makes you a bit more unattractive than you would be? Call me crazy, but I LOVE that overall look.. The woman I posted had a proportionate nose.. It's like you said with the small/medium/big frame looking small at weights that wouldn't look nearly as good on the other types of frames.. But apply that concept to noses. Most noses fit proportionately on people's faces.. Link to post Share on other sites
Thieves Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 But that's only if it's in the right spot.... I'm not sure if it's exactly about it being in the "right spots". I'd say a bigger factor is if the weight is actually proportionate to the person's frame. That goes for both men and women. Then again, who's to say what the "right spots" for weight are? Different strokes. For example, a lot of my guy friends have dated or went out with women who obviously weren't skinny, but had some "meat" to them. Some were more "toned" curvy and some just had more 'soft' weight on them, period. But I never heard many of the guys complain about either one. They found it attractive on the girl mainly because it fit her, or she was comfortable with her weight. Gaining weight doesn't change the distribution of fat, it just adds more onto everything. My observation is that guys are very judgmental of weight, if it doesn't fall along those "specific fat distribution" lines. From what I've experienced and seen and heard, the perfect girl is someone with a tiny waist and flat stomach, but with big boobs and a rounded butt. I'm well aware of how weight distribution works, but I suppose I should've said that I wouldn't mind "filling out" a bit more than I have. Even though gaining weight does add more onto everything, that is exactly just what I want. I don't want to gain weight only in the "right places", or to get a bigger butt or "bigger" boobs (as I'm happy with their size right now anyway). For instance, not even a few years back, I often used to be in the 120-125lb range. Now I'm more in the 110-115 range, and why that is, I barely have a clue. My diet has essentially stayed the same, I haven't been too stressed, and I work out no more or less than I used to. But I still wouldn't mind being back at my earlier weight, because even if wasn't that big of a difference, I liked the way I fit into my jeans and my clothes in general a lot better. That made me feel more womanly, and the fact that I just seemed to have a healthier glow. Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I'm well aware of how weight distribution works, but I suppose I should've said that I wouldn't mind "filling out" a bit more than I have. Even though gaining weight does add more onto everything, that is exactly just what I want. I don't want to gain weight only in the "right places", or to get a bigger butt or "bigger" boobs (as I'm happy with their size right now anyway). For instance, not even a few years back, I often used to be in the 120-125lb range. Now I'm more in the 110-115 range, and why that is, I barely have a clue. My diet has essentially stayed the same, I haven't been too stressed, and I work out no more or less than I used to. But I still wouldn't mind being back at my earlier weight, because even if wasn't that big of a difference, I liked the way I fit into my jeans and my clothes in general a lot better. That made me feel more womanly, and the fact that I just seemed to have a healthier glow. Trades bodies? I'm stuck at 120-125 as a petite woman and I'd KILL to get down to 110. My body is very very stubbornly refusing to go lower. (I've been somewhere between 118-130 my entire adult life.) Link to post Share on other sites
Professor X Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 That's a bit to PC for me. I am naturally going to judge people that have fantasies of early teens. There is a difference between not having "kosher" fantasies and dreaming of kids. You'd be surprised what people think - only cause no1 tells you of this isn't my problem, and besides, I said 12-16, that's teenager range, not kids. Again, I don't really care what you personally like Prof X. Or what you would think if you saw me on the street. The fact that you articulate this is strange as well. I know there are men that are attracted to me and men that aren't. I don't need you to specfically create stituations where you think "nothing" of me. And again, I see nothing wrong with liking one type of body over the other. I see something messed up about correlating that to someone being more "womanly". Again, I don't think petite women look anywhere near my idle woman, sorry, but being small, breast-less and skinny just makes me think of kids when I see one. And it's your issue if you see something wrong with me, cause it certainly isn't mine. Honestly, I don't know how to take it. Someone telling you they would ignore you or not think of you at all isn't really a nice thing to say. And I do think you do mean it a bit personally otherwise you would have worded it differently. As you wish. I have no doubt petite women can be mean. I am also confused by this interjection. All in all, it wouldn't matter if you where my physical type or not at this point. Since we are being so honest. I couldn't respect a man that knowingly had male friends that was sexually attracted to underage young teen girls. Have I ever asked for your respect? I never have nor do I want it - cause I honestly don't care. Seeing as you stoop down to personal attacks, I think we haven't got anything else to discuss about. Do grow up, thanks. P.S. Tune down the patronizing, I saw your threads, you got plenty of issues Link to post Share on other sites
Thieves Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Trades bodies? I'm stuck at 120-125 as a petite woman and I'd KILL to get down to 110. My body is very very stubbornly refusing to go lower. (I've been somewhere between 118-130 my entire adult life.) Let's do it. But oh my god, why do you want to go down to 110?! Trust me, it is nothing special, and not just saying that either. Once you get down that low, you start to pray like crazy you don't go any lower... Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Let's do it. But oh my god, why do you want to go down to 110?! Trust me, it is nothing special, and not just saying that either. Once you get down that low, you start to pray like crazy you don't go any lower... How tall are you? I'm 5 1/2", and by most standards, it seems I'm 10-20 pounds overweight. Well, as my mother so charmingly puts it, should I ever get sick, I have some "insurance fat" I can live off of. I'd still trade. Link to post Share on other sites
Thieves Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 How tall are you? I'm 5 1/2", and by most standards, it seems I'm 10-20 pounds overweight. Well, as my mother so charmingly puts it, should I ever get sick, I have some "insurance fat" I can live off of. I'd still trade. I'm 5'4". For some reason I always thought you were 5'3"! And yeah, some friends of mine at work are always making fun of me during the winter time, saying that whenever it's freezing outside it must suck... you know, since I don't have as much "insulation" as them. Thus, I get chilled to the bone. Link to post Share on other sites
Author gotye Posted March 30, 2012 Author Share Posted March 30, 2012 Also, I am a guy and consider myself more "womenly" then "manly"... has little to do with my looks and more to do with my attitude and interests. I realize my feminine side probably turns off other women that might otherwise find an attraction, but so what? That's their problem, not mine. haha, well there are women like me who like men who are more like women Link to post Share on other sites
Necris Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 How tall are you? I'm 5 1/2", and by most standards, it seems I'm 10-20 pounds overweight. Well, as my mother so charmingly puts it, should I ever get sick, I have some "insurance fat" I can live off of. I'd still trade. 5 1/2" and 120lbs thats not overweight at least to me, when I hear overweight I imagine someone alot heavier. Link to post Share on other sites
Professor X Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 5 1/2" and 120lbs thats not overweight at least to me, when I hear overweight I imagine someone alot heavier. Don't try, she is sure she's a fat cow Though she hasn't got a clue how wrong she is. Even when she was told her BMI is below average. Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I knew a guy in college who I used to be friends with before I transferred who had a girlfriend who was still in Highschool (I believe she was about 15 or 14 at the most 16 but I doubt she was 16) anyway while I found that odd he was also a pretty cool guy very smart, pretty good friend, a seemingly strong Christian (loved talking about the bible, and going to church) so him dating a underaged girl seemed strange, he'd also get mad at any jokes I made about it so I left it alone. As for attraction I believe humans are attracted to what they subconsciously feel as healthy as there is a strong relationship between attractiveness and health. I don't care if it's the Pope "dating" 14 or 15 year olds! That IS strange. And gross. After all, all those priests where molesting children. And now we are going to make the argument that hinking about molesting children is okay? Umm okay. Strange again. Someone in college dating someone 14 or 15 IS strange. He could be the most friendly guy in the world. It doesn't matter. I can't respect a man like that. Most people don't. I also disagree that humans are attracted to "healthy" ideals about the body. Infact, I think we are culturally attracted to non-healty ideals. The ideal body type in today's culture is not healthy. Which is basically tiny thin women with big breasts and big butts. Breasts are fat. Usually when a woman has big breasts, she is more shapely all around. Thicker all around. Yes, there are those cases of women with naturally big breasts that are tiny. But that isn't the norm. So I am not inclined to believe what men find attractive today is about healthy ideas of the female body. Especially when you read about the huge amount of women in the spot light and what they have to do to maintain their "healthy" bodies. which usually require strict diets and exercise and alot of them talk about having eating disorders or denying themselves food. That's not healthy. Healthy women come in all body types. From very thin, to chunky, to thick..to whatever. There is no body types that signifies health. Someone thicker can be very healthy over someone thinner and vice versa. And peope seem to foget that women are biologically and naturally more "fatty" then men. Why? Because women need the extra padding for babies. However, in today's culture, this is unacceptable. Sorry but no. Today's ideals about women's body types are not about health. You might be attracted to them. But it does not mean it's because it's so "healthy". As for myself I like skinny girls, but I also like normal and overweight girls (if her weight is in the right places;) and not obese a little extra fat is all good but I simply can't find obese women attractive in any sense). It mainly depends on the woman some people look better skinny others with a little more fat. .."normal and overweight girls (if her weight is in the right places)"...such as the breasts and butt. Right..so please don't tell me it's all about "health" to you. It's about an over idealized and barbie-esque version of womanhood being popular in media and men who have sine the age of 12, have been sitting infront of their tvs, magazines and other movies over idealizing suped up version of womanhood. Women having to diet and exercize 24/7 and having to get breast implants to compensate for whatever society tells them they must compensate for is not about health. Once again, a woman with bigger breasts or butt can be very healthy. But the obession with our culture about the sizes of women, how they are to be very thin with large breasts, has very little to do with having heathly ideas about female health. Link to post Share on other sites
brokenTom Posted March 30, 2012 Share Posted March 30, 2012 the perfect girl is someone with a tiny waist and flat stomach, but with big boobs and a rounded butt. Not "perfect" for everyone, including me. 5' 1/2" 120lbs sounds to me like it could be perfect for tons of guys. It just always breaks my heart when I see girls or guys say things like: "If only I could lose/gain this or that, I'd be perfect in the eyes of others"... I realize it's difficult to let go as I too have been in a similar rut most of my life, but... haha, well there are women like me who like men who are more like womenYeah, no complaints here in that regard Link to post Share on other sites
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