Feminists are ruining men.

[Feelsgoodman]

I figured as much. Let me guess...Russian? Serbian?

Somewhere in between

 

I seem to recall that you previously claimed to be from eastern europe. Why did you suddenly become italian?

[dasein]

No, the average working-class women in the past did not actually shave their privates - the obsession with hairless pubes is an extremely recent one, and likely propagated by porn (which I have no problem with, btw).

 

It's more likely propagated by women, few men I know, self included, expect a hairless bush. And women have been trimming their pubes, of not shaving them all off, for a long, long time, as have men.

 

Nor were their nails manicured - nail polish wasn't even commercially available until recently.

 

Huh? Why do I even bother?

 

Nail polish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

 

Sexy lingerie? Hah.

 

Reasonable slips/lingerie just aren't that expensive. Marketing and the female penchant for extravagant luxury created the $100 lingerie, not men.

[soserious1]

I don't believe you.

 

If a woman walks in wearing a nice dress, hairless smooth legs, pretty and clean nails, nice pedicure and clean feet, plus shapely eyebrows and soft sily hair...

 

you WILL notice her more than her twin with

 

nice dress, bumpy legs with hair stubs, bitten down and cracked nails, excess skin on the feet and brittle toenails, messy eyebrows and bed hair.

 

 

Are you seriously trying to tell us that if a woman wasn't actively dating that she would walk around & go to her professional job

each day sporting.." bumpy legs with hair stubs, bitten down and cracked nails, excess skin on the feet and brittle toenails, messy eyebrows and bed hair"

 

Many of the expenses you have listed are part & parcel of being considered "dressed for success" or "professionally groomed" those

costs, as well as your costs for entertainment are covered or should be covered by YOUR salary.

[Els]

I don't deny that it may matter to some extent. I just fail to see why a lot of posters always bring up how much it supposedly costs to buy all these products/get all these procedures done. Most of the time, it has way more to do with her own personal comfort than what actually attracts guys. No straight man out there cares about your shoes, your manicure, your pedicure, whether you shape your eyebrows yourself or get them professionally done (I watch my girlfriend pluck her eyebrows all the time and it's an extremely easy, if slightly painful, thing to do), what store you bought your dress and purse from, if your legs are shaved or if you get the hair professionally zapped off. Women who choose the more expensive options are flat out deluding themselves if they think it makes a lick of difference to the men they date.

 

That's really like saying that all a woman cares about is that a man has a car, it doesn't matter whether he bought it, stole it, borrowed it from a friend to impress her, or assembled it himself.

 

Try keeping your legs perfectly hairless for 3 months and then tell me whether you would rather continue on with the cheaper option of shaving, or go for waxing/IPL. For as long as certain results are expected, money will be spent on them, because the alternative is a lot of expended time, effort, and discomfort.

 

IMO it would be a happier world if people did not expect things of their partner that they don't do themselves, solely on the basis of gender, with both hairless legs and paying for dates included... but appreciated it when the other person does it, rather than acting offended.

[oaks]

the bra needs to be the same color...

 

I wish more women would follow this suggestion, or at least wear the right dress/bra combination such that the non-matching bra isn't visible so that I don't know about it.

[Els]

Either of the first two. Surprise me.

 

I wish more women would follow this suggestion, or at least wear the right dress/bra combination such that the non-matching bra isn't visible so that I don't know about it.

 

ROFL. Oh, you. :laugh::laugh:

[TheBigQuestion]

Not true.

 

The material things INDIVIDUALLY don't matter, no. But in order for her to look NICE, the shoes need to match the dress, the dress needs to be good quality so it lasts, the bra needs to be the same color...

 

It seems unimportant, but all the little things count.

 

I also would like to add that waxing and other procedures that women do (very often cellulite procedures) are very painful. And they do it so that men will look at you.

 

I can understand why you'd want products you buy to last, but again, it has little to do with the male perception of you and much more to do with you being satisfied with yourself. It's a matter of your own personal vanity. Frankly, most guys regardless of their age or cultural background don't really know what "matching" means on a woman. Most guys don't care if you have a manicure or pedicure. Really, just not having ridiculously deformed nails is what I've found to be expected of members of both sexes. Everything else is peripheral.

 

Considering you are a member of the sex that is supposed to endure the pain of childbirth and who naturally have higher pain tolerances in general, you won't get much sympathy out of me when you talk about how painful waxing can be. And yes, I've waxed parts of my body for comedic effect or after being dared to do it. I disagree that it's something worth bellyaching about.

[Els]

And yes, I've waxed parts of my body for comedic effect or after being dared to do it. I disagree that it's something worth bellyaching about.

 

Great, I'll pay for your next coffee if you'll accept the dare of waxing your legs after (you pay for the wax)

[TheBigQuestion]

That's really like saying that all a woman cares about is that a man has a car, it doesn't matter whether he bought it, stole it, borrowed it from a friend to impress her, or assembled it himself.

 

Try keeping your legs perfectly hairless for 3 months and then tell me whether you would rather continue on with the cheaper option of shaving, or go for waxing/IPL. For as long as certain results are expected, money will be spent on them, because the alternative is a lot of expended time, effort, and discomfort.

 

IMO it would be a happier world if people did not expect things of their partner that they don't do themselves, solely on the basis of gender, with both hairless legs and paying for dates included... but appreciated it when the other person does it, rather than acting offended.

 

The appropriateness of your analogy is completely lost on me.

 

You really haven't refuted anything I've said either. Very few men will care, let alone be able to tell, what designer made your handbag or your shoes. Same goes for all the other procedures and products I listed that I supposedly have the expectation of women using, to the point where how much women choose to spend to pamper themselves and indulge in their vanity is somehow men's fault.

[RedRobin]

All this talk about Canadian men and how they SOOO aren't FS's cup of tea....um... makes me kinda want to move THERE.

 

Yea, the native born Canadian guy friend of mine 'liked' the pic of me with no makeup in my backpacking gear more than the pics of me all glammed out.

 

There is some wisdom here I've missed before.... hmmm.

[TheBigQuestion]

Great, I'll pay for your next coffee if you'll accept the dare of waxing your legs after (you pay for the wax)

 

Being the hairy Greek bastard I am, I already do more routine hair removal than the average woman without even touching my legs. Dare accepted.

[FrustratedStandards]

Somewhere in between

 

I seem to recall that you previously claimed to be from eastern europe. Why did you suddenly become italian?

 

Because if I told them I was Russian they would use the stereotype against me.

 

Are you seriously trying to tell us that if a woman wasn't actively dating that she would walk around & go to her professional job

each day sporting.." bumpy legs with hair stubs, bitten down and cracked nails, excess skin on the feet and brittle toenails, messy eyebrows and bed hair"

 

Yes. Why waste the money if you don't have a guy to be sexy for?

 

I can understand why you'd want products you buy to last, but again, it has little to do with the male perception of you and much more to do with you being satisfied with yourself.

 

Most women aren't satisfied with themselves because they don't fit into the bubble of what men like. Men don't want women with cellulite, its unattractive, therefore women get cellulite procedures.

 

If men didn't care about amazing smooth skin, women wouldn't go through the trouble and would be happier with themselves.

 

All this talk about Canadian men and how they SOOO aren't FS's cup of tea....um... makes me kinda want to move THERE.

 

Yea, the native born Canadian guy friend of mine 'liked' the pic of me with no makeup in my backpacking gear more than the pics of me all glammed out.

 

There is some wisdom here I've missed before.... hmmm.

 

Who said glamour and makeup? Maintenance and glamour are two completely different things. You can be in sweats and camping, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have clean nails and shaved armpits.

[Feelsgoodman]

Because if I told them I was Russian they would use the stereotype against me.

I see.

 

I also remember you saying that you don't date men of the same ethnicity because you find them physically unattractive. So it seems that you want a guy who is not Russian but has the mentality of a Russian when it comes to paying for women. I can certainly see why you are frustrated.

[FrustratedStandards]

I see.

 

I also remember you saying that you don't date men of the same ethnicity because you find them physically unattractive. So it seems that you want a guy who is not Russian but has the mentality of a Russian when it comes to paying for women. I can certainly see why you are frustrated.

 

Thank you That's very comforting.

[phineas]

I wish more women would follow this suggestion, or at least wear the right dress/bra combination such that the non-matching bra isn't visible so that I don't know about it.

 

Yeah, what's up with the white top & florescent pink bra?

At work no less in a business building.

[Fondue]

I see.

 

I also remember you saying that you don't date men of the same ethnicity because you find them physically unattractive. So it seems that you want a guy who is not Russian but has the mentality of a Russian when it comes to paying for women. I can certainly see why you are frustrated.

I mindlessly hop in this thread and the first thing I read is something about Russian men.

 

I am a man originating from the "union," can you please enlighten me on this Russian mentality about paying for women? I never heard of it.

 

Honestly.

 

From what I gather, many Russian women actually dislike Russian men and their outlook on finances.

[FrustratedStandards]

I mindlessly hop in this thread and the first thing I read is something about Russian men.

 

I am a man originating from the "union," can you please enlighten me on this Russian mentality about paying for women? I never heard of it.

 

Honestly.

 

From what I gather, many Russian women actually dislike Russian men and their outlook on finances.

 

 

Outlook on finances is different than outlook on dating or dating etiquette. Lots of Russian men try to control Russian women by being the breadwinner, and stripping her of any financial responsibility or power so that she can't leave him.

 

But that's usually to do with the Russian men who are abusive and beat their wives. I know of some women like this. I also know of others who would never tolerate such a thing, money or not. These are the women who have respectable husbands who don't mind being the breadwinners and don't try to control her with it.

Edited April 3, 2012 by FrustratedStandards

[Fondue]

Outlook on finances is different than outlook on dating or dating etiquette. Lots of Russian men try to control Russian women by being the breadwinner, and stripping her of any financial responsibility or power so that she can't leave him.

 

But that's usually to do with the Russian men who are abusive and beat their wives. I know of some women like this. I also know of others who would never tolerate such a thing, money or not. These are the women who have respectable husbands who don't mind being the breadwinners and don't try to control her with it.

 

I still don't understand what you mean by Russian dating etiquette. Please explain.

[Feelsgoodman]

I mindlessly hop in this thread and the first thing I read is something about Russian men.

 

I am a man originating from the "union," can you please enlighten me on this Russian mentality about paying for women? I never heard of it.

 

Honestly.

 

From what I gather, many Russian women actually dislike Russian men and their outlook on finances.

In Russia and elsewhere in Eastern Europe, if a man and a woman go out on a date, the man always pick up the tab. Of course, Russian/Eastern European men living in the West don't necessarily share the same mentality.

[Els]

Being the hairy Greek bastard I am, I already do more routine hair removal than the average woman without even touching my legs. Dare accepted.

 

Awesome. Any other men feel like taking up the challenge, too?

 

In Russia and elsewhere in Eastern Europe, if a man and a woman go out on a date, the man always pick up the tab. Of course, Russian/Eastern European men living in the West don't necessarily share the same mentality.

 

I think this is the case for the majority of the Eastern world, tbh. In the Asian country that I lived in previously, waiters and cashiers don't even bother asking if you want separate bills, if the man and woman are unmistakably a couple. Sometimes they don't even bother checking the unmistakable bit. Once, I went out with a platonic male friend and a couple, for dinner. When the bill came, the waiter gave the couple's bill to the guy... and just one bill to the other guy.

 

I insisted on paying him back later after he fronted it, but it was funny as hell.

[Tayla]

feminist is broader then what has been touched up in these post.

equality is the center focal point surrounded by political, social,economical, legal integration.

Hopefully its positives' from a social stance can enlighten that there was a time where a female could not own land, vote, drive, be educated beyond 8th grade or perform church duties (minister, blessings, ceremonies).

I had hoped folks would expound upon the entire realm of feminist instead of just the economic side of a female buying a lunch or having a door opened....

There is a long list of silent thank yous that gents can have for ladies stepping up and empowering themselves...I know I am thankfull every day for the gents listening and taking this issue seriously...

[FitChick]

Very few men will care, let alone be able to tell, what designer made your handbag or your shoes.

 

Unless they are gay.

[dasein]

Hopefully its positives' from a social stance can enlighten that there was a time where a female could not own land, vote, drive, be educated beyond 8th grade or perform church duties (minister, blessings, ceremonies).

 

There is a long list of silent thank yous that gents can have for ladies stepping up and empowering themselves...I know I am thankfull every day for the gents listening and taking this issue seriously...

 

1. During almost all of history when average women didn't have certain rights, average men did not have them either. For the most part, feminism wildly exaggerates these disparities for political gain. All people "had it bad" in the past, women no moreso than men.

 

2. Ladies did not "step up and empower themselves." Women joining the workforce was a matter of technological advance and economic imperative in the U.S., a confluence of longer lifespan, lower infant and mother mortality, birth control, the emergence of a white collar less dangerous workplace, a labor thirsty post WW2 and Cold War environment. Feminism had nothing to do with these factors.

 

3. The fault of men has been in not taking feminism seriously enough as a discriminatory, polarizing political doctrine. The damage done by feminism in our society is massive, and despite that the internet has drawn its poison out into the light of day, won't be easily undone.

[Mme. Chaucer]

I'd wager that Tayla has a far better grasp on feminism than dasein does .

[dasein]

I'd wager that Tayla has a far better grasp on feminism than dasein does .

 

Not much to grasp. Anyone who has a basic historical understanding of Marxist social control methods and agitprop has a pretty good working knowledge of feminism. It's not some mysterious, hidden thing, nor is it a legitimate field of academic study with many "strands" or "schools," rather all one thing, and very simple to understand how it works to solidify a large portion of the female voting majority by polarizing women as faux "victims" against men as "oppressors."

 

As posted elsewhere here, feminism is expert at portraying itself as all sweetness and light when it's time to raise money, but once the check is signed, it's back to the business as usual of discriminatory politics.