Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 You have defied all mathematical odds to miss my point. You should try playing for the 600 million dollar lottery Jackpot with this special, empowering gift of yours. Let me spell it out for you. If women all stayed home, there would only be the need for 1 breadwinner. Women flooding the labor market, aside from widescale illegal immigration, is what has frozen Real Wages in place since the 1960's. Do you think that's a coincidence? How did our grandparents afford 1 breadwinner with a life of comparable material well-being? I guess you just can't win Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 What group were the Nazis feeling oppressed by? The Samoans. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 That would be pretty difficult even with the reality of feminism, since you are evidently a die - hard hater. I guess you could leave the wife and 5 kids to the warm cozy joy and love, and you could just carry on with all your hatin' out in your car or in the bar or wherever. I agree that he's an assh*le, but he has a point. Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigQuestion Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I hold doors for people regardless of gender. It's just the polite thing to do. However, I've offered to pay for a woman on a date only once in my life. I've never offered to buy a drink for someone I was trying to date, and I certainly never bought a drink for a stranger either. You can get dates and even get into long-term relationships without kissing the woman's proverbial ass. I've managed to do both, and with attractive women who generally have good heads on their shoulders. Try it sometime. If you're sufficiently clicking with a woman, she'll be offering to buy YOU drinks well before the night is over. That's happened to me too. Yeah, I could write another thread about just this subject, have a few people completely mischaracterize what I'm actually saying and accuse me of being a perpetually single broke loser all over again, but I'm developing carpal tunnel syndrome and don't feel like going through those motions. Bottom line, accept the woman's offer to pay on an early date. If she doesn't offer to pay, next her, unless she has some other innately wonderful qualities. Don't act like a sucker. Don't buy drinks for strange women. Avoid going on actual dates if your age group still allows for it. Focus on being as attractive as you can be both physically and personally. Frame yourself as the prize and the center of attention. Do all these things and all the so-called issues that arise from feminism nowadays in early dating relationships will magically disappear. Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Seriously? So then how are you "the man" in the relationship? Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 I agree minus the "submit" part. It's more like "accept". And even then, it's only a leader in certain aspects. When it comes to childbirth and nurturing, I would say the woman is the leader. Link to post Share on other sites
123321 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Let TaraMaiden enjoy her revisionist history . It's so much more "empowering" to say she threw off the "chains of oppression"...rather than admitting that she got duped into a life of servitude to the corporate elite. The whole "women were enslaved" thing is just bullshit, how many slave-masters go out and die on the job so the slaves won't have to endanger themselves? How many slave-masters will go out and work like a beast to feed the family? The list is endless. Men have been used as societies disposable fighting and working machines since the dawn of time. If we didn't have testosterone blinding us we would have seen it and opted out, but then civilization wouldn't exist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 No, I meant submit. Hmm... No I don't agree with that. By "submitting" it sounds like "giving up" to them. Women never do such a thing. They just accept that the man brings home the bacon, therefore she must cook it. "Submit" sounds like rape to me. Link to post Share on other sites
123321 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 "Submit" sounds like rape to me. Well that's you, it merely means to accept someone elses leadership. Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Well that's you, it merely means to accept someone elses leadership. Accepting someone else's leaderships is accepting them. Submitting to them is accepting inferiority. There's a difference. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigQuestion Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Seriously? So then how are you "the man" in the relationship? I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but I'll bite anyway. My "manhood" in the context of early dating is not defined by my willingness to kiss a woman's ass and/or operate under outdated courtship standards. My manhood in a long-term relationship is defined by everything I do within it that isn't of a superficial quality. Being there for my SO in all ways possible and so forth. I think in either context, I've been "the man" enough times to know that being the man doesn't require me to do all the crap that women like you expect me to do. If the right amount of attraction is there, a reasonable woman wouldn't even think twice about me not offering to pay for her meal. I'm living proof that this is the case. Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 I'm not sure if this was directed at me, but I'll bite anyway. My "manhood" in the context of early dating is not defined by my willingness to kiss a woman's ass and/or operate under outdated courtship standards. My manhood in a long-term relationship is defined by everything I do within it that isn't of a superficial quality. Being there for my SO in all ways possible and so forth. I think in either context, I've been "the man" enough times to know that being the man doesn't require me to do all the crap that women like you expect me to do. If the right amount of attraction is there, a reasonable woman wouldn't even think twice about me not offering to pay for her meal. I'm living proof that this is the case. How is treating her to a date in any way kissing her ass? Being there for her? That's what friends are for. She needs a MAN not another friend. Link to post Share on other sites
123321 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Submitting to them is accepting inferiority. There's a difference. Submit /səbˈmɪt/ (v): To yield or surrender (oneself) to the will or authority of another. Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Submit /səbˈmɪt/ (v): To yield or surrender (oneself) to the will or authority of another. You just confirmed what I said... Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigQuestion Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 How is treating her to a date in any way kissing her ass? Being there for her? That's what friends are for. She needs a MAN not another friend. A woman who is essentially still a stranger to me doesn't deserve me treating her to a date just because certain segments of society deem that to be correct or "gentlemanly" thing to do. I take my girlfriend out on dates because she earned that privilege by getting to know me well and by proving her commitment and affection for me, and vice versa. Being there for her as a boyfriend has little to do with how frequently I'm willing to bust out the wallet. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
123321 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 You just confirmed what I said... Submission doesn't equal being inferior in any way except literally in "rank", so if that's what you meant then OK, but it doesn't make or imply one is inferior in quality or ability. Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 A woman who is essentially still a stranger to me doesn't deserve me treating her to a date just because certain segments of society deem that to be correct or "gentlemanly" thing to do. In that case, I would suggest you stay away from European women. Link to post Share on other sites
123321 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 As far as "who pays", the fairest standard I have heard was simple and logical; the host pays, the guest graciously accepts that. Link to post Share on other sites
SteveC80 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 . All these "super independent women" make it seem like men are useless garbage. No wonder so many men and women are unhappy. There is no such thing as "being a man" anymore. Everyone is "equal". . No independent women make men feel like they are with us because they like being around us for who we are not because they need us for what we own or give them Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 No independent women make men feel like they are with us because they like being around us for who we are not because they need us for what we own or give them But that's what a relationship is. It's give and take. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigQuestion Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 In that case, I would suggest you stay away from European women. Which European women? Most of the European women who post on LS think that doing anything other than going Dutch on early dates is a pretty wacky idea. Generally, it's American women in their 30s or older who still advocate the "guy must pay all the time" rule. Granted, I'm a taken man, but you're correct in saying that I would stay away from any woman whose culture instills in her the expectation of being paid for. With that said, if a guy does everything else right, only the most rigid woman would still be significantly upset by his refusal to pay for everything from the first date onward. Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Granted, I'm a taken man, but you're correct in saying that I would stay away from any woman whose culture instills in her the expectation of being paid for. With that said, if a guy does everything else right, only the most rigid woman would still be significantly upset by his refusal to pay for everything from the first date onward. Umm...that's all of Europe. Link to post Share on other sites
123321 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Umm...that's all of Europe. How many Euro-chicks have you dated? Because it's my experience that they are a lot more into going dutch than othe cultures, and not just the ones from Amsterdam either. On the other hand, Asians (in Asia) are in my experience a lot more old fashioned about the host paying. Link to post Share on other sites
Author FrustratedStandards Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 How many Euro-chicks have you dated? Because it's my experience that they are a lot more into going dutch than othe cultures, and not just the ones from Amsterdam either. On the other hand, Asians (in Asia) are in my experience a lot more old fashioned about the host paying. Are you talking about real Europeans? The women who were born and raised there? Or the women who call themselves European because someone down the line was born in Europe? Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigQuestion Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Umm...that's all of Europe. I think many European LS posters would have a bone to pick with this statement. You can't speak for all European women, and I have it on pretty good authority that it is customary nowadays in many European cultures for people to split the bill on early dates. I will let our Euro posters chime in on that and if I'm actually wrong, I'll gladly admit it. I assume the Eastern European countries are a little behind in this sense, but there are obvious historical and socioeconomic reasons for that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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