TaraMaiden Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 my laptop is broken, caps doesn't work, unless I turn caps on. technical fault. you however, have no excuse for 'dumb'. Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Yes, human physiology. Requires all the sciences including biology, physics, and chemistry, with masters concentration in physiology. What is your degree? English, French, Italian, Art, and psychology. All with honours. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 English, French, Italian, Art, and psychology. All with honours. You have a degree in all those? What level degree? Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 you however, have no excuse for 'dumb'. you are exrcement “A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation” -Mark Twain (Yes, excrement is not an adjective.) Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 You have a degree in all those? What level degree? If they're with honours, they're going to be first-class, aren't they? Remember this is in England. We have higher levels here. “A man's character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation” -Mark Twain Doesn't make him wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) I've read every major book of all world religions including: Quran, Bible, book of Tao, Buddhist books, etc. I've read 60 out of the top 100 fiction books of the 20th century by American modern library. I have masters college degree in human physiology. Don't assume to know what I have or haven't read. Just letting you know brother, you aren't arguing with any one here that WANTS to know about God. They're looking to discourage you. Wasting your time... Edited July 1, 2012 by TheFinalWord Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Just letting you know brother, you aren't arguing with any one here that WANTS to know about God. They're looking to discourage you. Wasting your time... I'm not looking to discourage him at all. He can believe precisely whatever he wants to believe. What we object to is his insistence that he is absolutely right and that we're all absolutely wrong, when he can't prove his side of things at all. but then, we're wasting our time too... Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Hasta la vista baby. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 (edited) but then, we're wasting our time too... Now you're getting it! Edited July 1, 2012 by TheFinalWord Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 "“Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense”" Voltaire. "No amount of reason or logic is of any use against a piece of fantasy currently in fashion." Disraeli. (If we're relying on quotations, too.) Link to post Share on other sites
quickjoe Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 The "I've been to uni, therefore I'm right!" card is always the last refuge of somebody who can't actually continue on topic anymore. Desperation is a stinky cologne. Link to post Share on other sites
Janesays Posted July 1, 2012 Share Posted July 1, 2012 Turns out, this thread changed my mind. I actually DO believe.....in Santa. Jesus is still imaginary, though. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 FYI: The name of God isn't Yaweh after all, turns out it's "Higgs boson" according to scientists...Scientists edge closer to proving existence of elusive particle - CNN.com Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 FYI: The name of God isn't Yaweh after all, turns out it's "Higgs boson" according to scientists...Scientists edge closer to proving existence of elusive particle - CNN.com Now author Judy Blume will have to rename her book to "Are you there Higgs boson? It's me, Margaret." Link to post Share on other sites
Author BetheButterfly Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 While you may find this surprising, so do I. What if we don't agree in our message? How do you interpret that? Hello RobertZ, I do not find this surprising no. It would not surprise me however that we disagree on different things. I would interpret that as human nature. Humans are by nature very diverse. Not even my sisters and I think alike. When we were young, we'd argue about everything from which is better, cookies or jello, to whose turn it was to wash the dishes (until Mom made a chore chart). So I am curious. What exactly are your beliefs concerning Jesus? I do not ask in order to argue with you. I am interested in learning about what you believe and why. Link to post Share on other sites
Author BetheButterfly Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) And you still can't execute proper grammar such as beginning a sentence with capital letters. Your point? Hello M30USA, This thread is for people to explain what and how they think concerning Jesus. I understand not all people believe in him or his message. As for studies and grammar corrections, that is not the point of this thread at all. For me personally, I have never ever thought that Buddha was a myth. I keep telling myself i should study about him and Buddhism, though it's not at the top of my priority list. However, it does not bother me that there are people who follow Buddha and his teachings. I have never ever thought that Muhammad was a myth. Now, I have studied about him and Islam (Muhammad's teachings) and there are some accounts of what he did or said which I personally do not think are true, but that does not at all mean that I think Muhammad is a myth. Rather, I think some of the stories, such as the idea that he split the moon, is not accurate. However, I have no proof to say that he did not do it either. I just don't think he did. However, I do believe he existed. I have never ever thought that Jesus was a myth. Now, I understand that there are some people who do not believe the claims of his apostles/disciples that Jesus did miracles and rose from the dead. Thomas Jefferson, for example, cut out of his Bible the miracles of Jesus, which I thought was pretty funny as a kid. (Now, I don't think it's all that funny.) However, it is interesting that many scholars do consider the person of Jesus to have existed, mostly based on the evidence of his followers. Most religious groups tend to follow a certain person or people. For example, the reason there are Mormons today is because they are followers of Joseph Smith's teachings. If there had been no Joseph Smith, there would have been no Mormons (unless another person had taught the same). Before Joseph Smith, were there Mormons? Nope. That is the same with Jesus and Christians. Before Jesus, Christianity didn't exist. Why? Because Christian = a person who follows Christ. Christians, both Jewish and Gentile, believe that Jesus = Christ = Messiah = Anointed One promised to be on the throne of King David (2 Samuel 7, 1 Chronicles 17, Psalm 2, Psalm 89) Now in Jesus' day till now, there are Jewish people who believe in G-d and the Tanakh, do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah, and believe that the Messiah is still to come. That is most definitely their right and should be respected. It is also the right of people to believe Jesus is a myth, regardless of the reason, same as I suppose people can believe that Buddha and Muhammad are myths. However, I personally have never come across a person who believes Muhammad is a myth, but maybe that is because he was born around 600 years after Jesus, when more documentation was available for verification? It is very easy to call a person who was born a long time ago a myth. By the way, I also do not believe that Abraham or Moses or King David were myths. Rather, they are amazing historic figures, special to a specific group of people, as well as hopefully to Christians too! As a Christian, I personally believe the history of the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is important because I believe Jesus is a descendant of them, as well as King David. Sorry for the long post. Edited July 3, 2012 by BetheButterfly Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Nice post, Beth. It makes a lot of sense.... I may not agree with or believe all you say, but I defend to the hilt your right to say it.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 (edited) FYI: The name of God isn't Yaweh after all, turns out it's "Higgs boson" according to scientists...Scientists edge closer to proving existence of elusive particle - CNN.com Exciting! Here is a schedule of events, from astrophysicist Hugh Ross. Ross (who believes in old-earth creationism...interesting perspective) "Here is a list of how to stay updated with the expected announcements: On July 2, Fermilab will share the latest results from its data and analysis. Since the Tevatron ceased operations over a year ago, the news from Fermilab will probably only give hints at a possible Higgs detection.On July 4, CERN will update a December 13, 2011 news release about the Higgs boson indicating “signs of its existence.” The addition of this year’s data to the “signs” from last year led many interested parties to expect a discovery announcement.On July 7, during the ICHEP in Australia, talks relevant to the Higgs boson search will be webcast live.On July 9, the combined results of two LHC detectors, capable of detecting the Higgs, CMS, and ATLAS, will be part of plenary sessions delivered at the ICHEP (and webcast live). Even if the detectors do not achieve (individually) the required signal to declare detection, the combined signal from both should. Reasons To Believe : The Higgs Boson: Discovered or Nonexistent? Here Ross gives a good laymen's overview of Higgs Boson (sterile neutrino as he calls it ): http://www.reasons.org/articles/have-the-real-god-particles-been-found-part-1-of-4 I'll be staying tuned! Another cool animation out there: The Scale of the Universe 2 I've been playing with it all day! Puts things in perspective. Edited July 3, 2012 by TheFinalWord Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm really shocked that the posters in my other thread didn't bring this up. If this particle exists it will throw religion on its back. Higgs boson will be *the* particle that started all life (if it's existence can be proven). Link to post Share on other sites
wuggle Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm really shocked that the posters in my other thread didn't bring this up. If this particle exists it will throw religion on its back. Higgs boson will be *the* particle that started all life (if it's existence can be proven). The Higgs-Boson has not been proven, The recent published findings merely provide more 'evidence' for its probably existance. Even if the Higgs-Boson is ever 'proven' to exist it does not as it's (undeserved IMO) knickname implies prove to be the particle that 'started all life', it merely provides more evidence that the framework of complex sub-atomic particles that physicists have speculated is correct is so. It is still just a sub-atomic particle. There are lots of them, probably ? and it certainly will have little or no impact on religion. Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Really? And here I was all excited. So what's the big deal then? Why has it been given the nickname "the god particle" if it's not the sub-atomic particle that is the missing link so to speak? Here's the link where it's referred to as the god particle. http://www.reasons.org/articles/have-the-real-god-particles-been-found-part-1-of-4 Link to post Share on other sites
wuggle Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The Higgs-Boson (if it exists), is just another sub-atomic particle. It's existence has been theorised (hence the name) by physicists as a 'best-fit' for our current 'best' understanding of the plethora of sub-atomic particles that make up atoms. Whilst many scientists have created this theoretical model of atoms structure, with some bits being missing (eg the Higgs-Boson) and most agree that with our current understanding is is 'probably' correct, this is by no means definite. If the Higgs-Boson is found it will strengthen the argument for this 'model, that is all. It is deemed so important because without it much if not all of this theoretical model falls apart, but even if it is 'proved' not to exist that does not mean that the model is totally incorrect, it just needs revising. But also bear in mind that this is not the only model of reality that has been formulated. String thoery, which proposes that all matter is simply small 'segments' of pure energy vibrating at differing frequencies is still in favour with some people. I have no doubt that if the Higgs-Boson doesn't exist the model will be revisited and other possibilities put forward that will then become our 'best understanding'. This is how science works. If it is found it will strengthen our 'belief' for want of a better word in the model we have created. It still leaves many many questions unanswered. That is why IMO it is wrong to call it the God-Particle. Important , yes, but God, No. Even if it is found and proven to fit the model as we think it will theologists will pay it little attention, the didn't with all the other sub-atomic particles. Link to post Share on other sites
writergal Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 The Higgs-Boson (if it exists), is just another sub-atomic particle. It's existence has been theorised (hence the name) by physicists as a 'best-fit' for our current 'best' understanding of the plethora of sub-atomic particles that make up atoms. Whilst many scientists have created this theoretical model of atoms structure, with some bits being missing (eg the Higgs-Boson) and most agree that with our current understanding is is 'probably' correct, this is by no means definite. If the Higgs-Boson is found it will strengthen the argument for this 'model, that is all. It is deemed so important because without it much if not all of this theoretical model falls apart, but even if it is 'proved' not to exist that does not mean that the model is totally incorrect, it just needs revising. But also bear in mind that this is not the only model of reality that has been formulated. String thoery, which proposes that all matter is simply small 'segments' of pure energy vibrating at differing frequencies is still in favour with some people. I have no doubt that if the Higgs-Boson doesn't exist the model will be revisited and other possibilities put forward that will then become our 'best understanding'. This is how science works. If it is found it will strengthen our 'belief' for want of a better word in the model we have created. It still leaves many many questions unanswered. That is why IMO it is wrong to call it the God-Particle. Important , yes, but God, No. Even if it is found and proven to fit the model as we think it will theologists will pay it little attention, the didn't with all the other sub-atomic particles. Ah, ok. And I've heard of the String Theory too. Thanks for taking time to clarify the Higgs-Boson for me too as science interests me, but I just don't have the mind for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Robert Z Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Hello RobertZ, I do not find this surprising no. It would not surprise me however that we disagree on different things. I would interpret that as human nature. Humans are by nature very diverse. Not even my sisters and I think alike. When we were young, we'd argue about everything from which is better, cookies or jello, to whose turn it was to wash the dishes (until Mom made a chore chart). So I am curious. What exactly are your beliefs concerning Jesus? I do not ask in order to argue with you. I am interested in learning about what you believe and why. I have always been a Christian but don't spend much time thinking about it any more. I don't know if I can rightly call myself a Christian now or not... I have such mixed feelings. I still believe in the basic teachings and message but have a real problem with organized religion and guilt mongering. And I know that many church pastors get into things they have no business discussing. To be blunt, I am terribly unimpressed with the people who tend to run religious organizations. I have also been through a gambit of religions and see how silly many religious arguments are. I tend to see religion as man's feeble attempt to understand something greater than himself. Call it cosmic consciousness, or the universal mind, or God, or whatever you like. I tend like the idea that everything is part of a consciousness... that we and everything that exists are the mind of God. And this is suprisingly consistent with Christian teachings if you think it through. Whatever it might be, I believe we are all touched by it... I have felt it... and I had one life-changing religious experience in this sense. But I reject any definitive explanation of what it might be. Could Jesus have been someone connected to this conciousness in a way that accounts for Biblical teachings? Maybe. It is all a matter of shifting one's perspective and being willing to shed the images from art that have molded our idea of God. So now I trust my heart and ignore what others say. I still believe in right and wrong but I let my heart determine which is which. Since you asked... So whaddaya think? Link to post Share on other sites
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