Els Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Yes the girls in the pics were all asian, but my points were solely about asian women. They were about ALL women and girls. You cannot compare Eastern culture to the West. You dont seem to understand the points your argument makes. Because the West has higher child rape rates, how does perpetuating the sexualization of minors help the situation? Nevermind the fact that you seem to have a failed understanding of Japanese lolita. While these women dress up like little girls, they dont all look like 11 year olds. If my Japanese and Korean friends dressed in lolita, id still recognize them as 20 something year olds. Asians are not all child like looking people, especially if youre familiar with them. Lolita fashion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia THATS Lolita fashion. Its more about Victorian era clothing. Not wanting to bang little girls or women who look like little girls. Errrr... no. 'Lolita fashion' is about emphasizing the 'cute' and 'girly' over 'seductive' and 'sexy'. I'm not certain about its roots, but when laymen use the term, that is what they mean. I was not the one who equated pedophilia to women dressing up like little girls. You were. They are two completely different things IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
LittlePrince Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Yes the girls in the pics were all asian, but my points were solely about asian women. They were about ALL women and girls. You cannot compare Eastern culture to the West. You dont seem to understand the points your argument makes. Because the West has higher child rape rates, how does perpetuating the sexualization of minors help the situation? Nevermind the fact that you seem to have a failed understanding of Japanese lolita. While these women dress up like little girls, they dont all look like 11 year olds. If my Japanese and Korean friends dressed in lolita, id still recognize them as 20 something year olds. Asians are not all child like looking people, especially if youre familiar with them. Lolita fashion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia THATS Lolita fashion. Its more about Victorian era clothing. Not wanting to bang little girls or women who look like little girls. Lolita fashion is their equivalent to goth/emo. The rates are based on reports and not actual occurrence. Asians don't like reporting such things because family honor and embarrassment is seen as more important. Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I would think that the sexualization of minors is more prevalent in Western culture and with more "developed" looking minors. The real issue of statutory rape often comes because people, instead of looking at age and maturity, look at purely physical development to equate it to sexual development. Additionally, in Western cultures, teenagers wear revealing clothing that shows off their "adult bodies," and even kids these days can get clothes that looks rather adult. I would think the opposite, adults who wear somewhat childish clothes and have less developed bodies, would be much less of a problem, socially. That doesn't mean I think someone who fetishizes prepubescent bodies is great by any means --- I just don't think that's the typical problem with statutory rape rates in the West AT ALL or would fundamentally contribute to it, because the whole problem is that people think a young girl (or guy) who 'looks' developed IS developed. ^Presenting adult women as children, and thereby sexualizing someone who appears to be a minor, does create a problem though. See its on thing to talk about sexually developed teenagers...its another thing for a poster to post pictures of a childish looking 12 year old who isnt developed, and then another poster seemingly defending the fact that some adult may be sexually presented as prepubescent females. Im not arguing about sexualized teenagers. Teenagers are entering adulthood and are sexually maturing. It would make sense that legal adults are attracted to some developed teenagers. Im arguing how weird it is to be into women that are presented as prepubescent adolescents. (11 to 14 about) Realize that most boys and girls that age do not look anything like sexually mature adults yet Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I have to say that I side with kaylan here. Now can get back on topic Yes, please I think an additional question for this thread is if you are close to your ideal body type Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Errrr... no. 'Lolita fashion' is about emphasizing the 'cute' and 'girly' over 'seductive' and 'sexy'. I'm not certain about its roots, but when laymen use the term, that is what they mean. I was not the one who equated pedophilia to women dressing up like little girls. You were. They are two completely different things IMO. Whatever you say. Like ES said, back on topic. Link to post Share on other sites
LittlePrince Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I have to say that I side with kaylan here. Now can get back on topic I would but porn isn't allowed. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Yes, please I think an additional question for this thread is if you are close to your ideal body type No, I don't have a flat chest. Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Yes, please I think an additional question for this thread is if you are close to your ideal body type Well, my ideal body type for myself would be a Ronaldo and Drogba type footballer body. Im slim, a little toned, and have some muscle, but I have a long ways to go. I really have to get working on my cardio to get my body fat low enough to be as ripped as them. And Im a hard gainer weight wise, so its gonna take me a little while to build the kind of muscle Ronaldo has. Link to post Share on other sites
Emilia Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Because the West has higher child rape rates, I think Japan has much lower crime rates than most countries do but it isn't generally true that the West has higher child rape rates than many other parts of the world. It is more that rape is much more recognised as a crime in the West and more attention is paid to it. In Africa for example you will see very few young girls dressed provocatively yet 'deflowering' by uncles (as they put it) is common in many countries and isn't seen necessarily as rape. Children tend to dress as children, women as women and South Africa has some of the highest rape rates in the world. That Lolita fascination in Japan is weird but I can't imagine it has much influence over sexual violence overall. Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Heres my goal http://thebosh.com/upload/2010/05/03/cristiano_ronaldo_didier_drogba_shirtless_vanity_fair_june_2010_cover/vanity-fair-cristiano-ronaldo-cover-photos-.jpg Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 No, I don't have a flat chest. . I mean, I posted pics/vid of the girls I liked, but I think that I am not even in the physical condition to date them (well, maybe the second one but still). My chest is quite big though, they are quite muscly even though they look like moobs . Link to post Share on other sites
LittlePrince Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 http://www.loupiote.com/burningman/photos_m/5077118369-red-head-scarf.jpgShe's pretty cute. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 . I mean, I posted pics/vid of the girls I liked, but I think that I am not even in the physical condition to date them (well, maybe the second one but still). My chest is quite big though, they are quite muscly even though they look like moobs . Really, I think that for both men and women, attitude and personality matters more in getting and maintaining a LTR, than anything else. Judging from your posts, you'll be fine. Working out never hurts, of course, especially if it makes you feel good about yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
LittlePrince Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 www.loupiote.com/burningman/photos_m/5077118369-red-head-scarf.jpg She's pretty cute. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Well, my ideal body type for myself would be a Ronaldo and Drogba type footballer body. Im slim, a little toned, and have some muscle, but I have a long ways to go. I really have to get working on my cardio to get my body fat low enough to be as ripped as them. And Im a hard gainer weight wise, so its gonna take me a little while to build the kind of muscle Ronaldo has. Yeah, my ideal would be only slightly less bulky than Michael Jai White. I would have to train pretty hard, but I have taken much more interest in my physical fitness+health than ever before - I even quit weed . As for girls, I've always liked late 20s/early 30s looking women. They just have that grown look about them, especially in the body Link to post Share on other sites
setsenia Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Facially I'm attracted to these looks: http://www.mailun.com/mx/tu/guofucheng1.jpg Aaron Kwok has aged so well over the years http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg245/__gotmelikeoh/gao1.jpg http://postfiles5.naver.net/20100512_212/kazuyasuki_12736454144481Nwm5_jpg/93584578_minsungcuty_kazuyasuki.jpg?type=w2 I prefer men with bodies like Rain's when he was promoting "Love Story" http://static.allkpop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Optimized-20100414_rainlovesongparody.jpg damn, that's hot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Really, I think that for both men and women, attitude and personality matters more in getting and maintaining a LTR, than anything else. Judging from your posts, you'll be fine. Working out never hurts, of course, especially if it makes you feel good about yourself. Thanks, although it's been a while since I worried about whether my character would hinder getting into a relationship . I've liked a variety of girls though. My biggest crush was very pretty in the face, and she had this little tiny bit of fat under her chin and I thought it was so sexy . She also had HUGE boobs, like they were double E at least . 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 The Thirst - Damn Girl - Official Video - YouTube I have a few ideals.......^^^the girl in this video is one ------------------------------------------------------ http://i26.tinypic.com/2w6c7dy.jpg http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h130/kilokap/403czn5.jpg :love: my favorite.... ------------------------------------------------------- Girl in the avi http://i.cr3ation.co.uk/dl/s1/gif/a095b62ba601cdf2e9b5ff3d0e9c8069_misfits29.gif ------------------------------------------------------ theres more but this is off the top of the head..... Adding to the list of my ideal body types, possibly one of my very favorites: Andressa Soares - YouTube (NSFW ) Link to post Share on other sites
Dafa Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Heres my goal http://thebosh.com/upload/2010/05/03/cristiano_ronaldo_didier_drogba_shirtless_vanity_fair_june_2010_cover/vanity-fair-cristiano-ronaldo-cover-photos-.jpg I'm not sure if you can find photos of Ronaldo when he was 17-18, i.e., when he was still playing in Portugal, but i can guarantee that he was very very skinny, and not toned. Same thing some years before with Luís Figo, coincidently. This is to say that there is hope for us all, even for the ones who have a hard time gaining weight/muscular bulk. As for my ideal body, i like women who have a bit of extra meat on them. While beautiful, women like megan fox or Angelina Jolie are really not attractive to me, body-wise. What i mean with extra bit of meat is wider-than-average hips (think jennifer love-hewitt), for example. I don't particularly like 6-packs in women, nor any kind of excessive muscular tone, i find it too masculine. I also love somewhat "wide" legs though, i love legs. And to be perfect, women's legs gotta have some pronounced calves. For example, i don't find Beyonce's that attractive because, while the upper part seems nice, the calves are not pronounced at all. I think the interesting part for this post is not discussion the ideal body but rather discuss particular parts (or types) where you are very picky. Talking about ideal bodies will only lead to pictures like most of the ones that are being posted. For example, one of the pics that was initially posted: http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2...rvy%20Girl.jpg I really like this body type but it is not what i would like an ideal body type for people in general. Know what i mean? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Dafa Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Adding to the list of my ideal body types, possibly one of my very favorites: Andressa Soares - YouTube (NSFW ) Indeed, they call her watermelon girl in brazil. Brazilian women are very very "complicated" to look at. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I hate to break this to you, but many Asian women have the bodies of 'minors' as Americans understand it. If the woman is of legal age, nobody is 'taking her' and 'presenting her' as anything. She is choosing to do it herself. Lolita is a huge thing in Japan. Girls above 18 love dressing up like that and many of their men enjoy that. I don't really get it either, but I will defend anyone's right to their own sexual preferences assuming that they are legal and consensual. And their ACTUAL child rape rates are not any higher than most other countries - they are lower, in fact. Having a petite frame and being attracted to children are two differen't things Elswyth. Having a petite frame, and desiring your legal age woman dress up like a little girl are again, two seperate things. If a woman is of legal age, and dressing up to protray herself as a little girl, she is partaking in something that suggests pedophila. I understand that this is un-pc to say in a time where anything sexual in our culture is justified. But the reality is, participating in any kind of play that is about underage kids doesn't seem something that a healthy culture would do. The fact that the Lolita thing is huge in Japan doesn't exactly signify for me that that makes Japan a "healthy culture". Infact, from my undestanding, Japan comes out with some pretty vile and digusting things sexually. The reason girls over 18 love derssing up like that and their men enjoy it, is most likely, in my opinion, connected to an over fetishizing of youth in their culture. I do not think it's done for pure fun and light heartedness and joy and health. I think it's done because culture has so fetishized age, that getting older is demonized. Especially for women. And again, in my opinion, this is unhealthy. I think a healthy culture would celebrate every stage of life and encourage those entering that stage to grow and embrace it. There was a time to play with dolls when I was a little girl. There was a time for me to be a teenager. And now there is a time for me to be an adult. Not an adult "play acting" at former stages of ages in the same of "sexual freedom". That's not sexual freedom. That's sexual bondage. Life is suppose to be fluid. You are suppose to grown and change with life. Sexuality completely included in that. But pretending you are from a stage in life from years ago seems backwards and twisted and actually seems liek a form of bondage to conform women and degrade them for getting older. If age was more celebrate in cculture, women and men would be free to be who they were at their age and not have to pretend or play-act at being any other age. But that is not the culture we live in. Youth is over fetishized. Little girls are over sexualized, then criticised for getting full grown adult woman bodies. And sorry, I do not defend anyone's right to their own sexual preferences simply because something makes someone horny and feel good. I think there are many things in current culture that are popular that are actually quite harmful and unhealthy to our real and true sexuality. I do not think wearing school girl skirts and holding dolls is a healthy sexuality. And I am actually disturbed by the amount of full grown men that seem to fetishize such things. Even in Western culture the whole school girl thing is completely fetishized. I think there are some tough questions people have to ask themselves that they don't want to when it comes to this kind of stuff. Questions they don't want to face because of what they fear it says about them. such as over infactuations with girls that just turned 18 or wear little girl outfits. I fear that this stuff is only going to, and has spread. Child porn is a multi-billion dollar industry thanks to the internet. I think more people have become more exposed to it and that issue is only growing. But no one wants to talk about that either because it would have to mean admitting to something no one wants to think exists. Yet, almost everyday in the news you hear of more respectful people in the community that are downloading child porn. If you think things like legal girls dressing up like little girls doesn't play it's part in that, you're fooling yourself. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Radu Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I For example, one of the pics that was initially posted: http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2...rvy%20Girl.jpg I really like this body type but it is not what i would like an ideal body type for people in general. Know what i mean? Those hips are dellicious. Link to post Share on other sites
zengirl Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 Having a petite frame and being attracted to children are two differen't things Elswyth. Having a petite frame, and desiring your legal age woman dress up like a little girl are again, two seperate things. East Asian fashion is girlish, though --- women wear clothes that are reminiscent of little girls. Why is that fashion choice bothersome? Why is Western fashion preferable? In many parts of Asia, it wouldn't be seen as "dressing like a little girl." That's the crux of the problem with this discussion, the Western-centric attitude. Granted, anyone who wants to bang a 12 year old is messed up, but some of the additional comments levied are just reflecting no understanding of the international community, Eastern fashion, etc. And where do you draw the line? I'm 27. When I wear pigtails and a Hello Kitty sweatshirt am I dressing like a little girl? What if I wear a Teddy Bear headband? What if I wear plaid skirts and stockings and schoolgirl shoes? I own ALL those things and not for 'fetish' use. Just because I lived somewhere that they were reasonably in fashion and *I* thought they were cute. Link to post Share on other sites
LittlePrince Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 No its not unrealistic. Just because we like it doesn't mean we are going to get it. Though the likelihood approaches impossible considering few men look like that and they'll be more superficial so you'll need to be close to drop dead gorgeous to attract one. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I'm not sure if you can find photos of Ronaldo when he was 17-18, i.e., when he was still playing in Portugal, but i can guarantee that he was very very skinny, and not toned. Same thing some years before with Luís Figo, coincidently. This is to say that there is hope for us all, even for the ones who have a hard time gaining weight/muscular bulk. As for my ideal body, i like women who have a bit of extra meat on them. While beautiful, women like megan fox or Angelina Jolie are really not attractive to me, body-wise. What i mean with extra bit of meat is wider-than-average hips (think jennifer love-hewitt), for example. I don't particularly like 6-packs in women, nor any kind of excessive muscular tone, i find it too masculine. I also love somewhat "wide" legs though, i love legs. And to be perfect, women's legs gotta have some pronounced calves. For example, i don't find Beyonce's that attractive because, while the upper part seems nice, the calves are not pronounced at all. I think the interesting part for this post is not discussion the ideal body but rather discuss particular parts (or types) where you are very picky. Talking about ideal bodies will only lead to pictures like most of the ones that are being posted. For example, one of the pics that was initially posted: http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2...rvy%20Girl.jpg I really like this body type but it is not what i would like an ideal body type for people in general. Know what i mean? Ahh, you like calves I see . Yes, when a woman has great legs, it's usually because her thighs complement her calves. I admit, I like the thigh part better. The part just before it conjoins to the buttock especially. One of the things I love about a girl is nice lips. I love a girl with full lips always. I've always liked long curly hair too. Link to post Share on other sites
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