Woggle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I prefer sharing both. I don't understand why men are expected to pay for dates. And I certainly will not ever get into a relationship with a man who thinks I should do the house work because I'm a woman. Very true. This is the difference between a true feminist and a woman who just wants equality because it is convenient. I don't blame a woman for not wanting to do all housework so why blame a man for not wanting to do all the paying. Link to post Share on other sites
samsungxoxo Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Sorry but if you're asking ME out, you can pay on the first date.Off course. It makes sense. If he's asking me out and yet dares insists on splitting the bill, I'm not even gonna proceed to the date.... I'm gone. My exiting speech would be somewhere along the line ''Excuse me but I didn't hear you, did you just say 50/50? Well I'm sorry but I brought nothing, bye''. Link to post Share on other sites
Sanman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Off course. It makes sense. If he's asking me out and yet dares insists on splitting the bill, I'm not even gonna proceed to the date.... I'm gone. My exiting speech would be somewhere along the line ''Excuse me but I didn't hear you, did you just say 50/50? Well I'm sorry but I brought nothing, bye''. I'm going to say that to the next woman I date and do not like. I wonder what happens when neither of us has money. Dine and dash, perhaps? :rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites
Sanman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Sorry but if you're asking ME out, you can pay on the first date. That is fine, the cat in the hat and I will just go out for green eggs and ham without you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I hope I don't get yelled at by the mods for this: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/31/nyregion/31monobrow.html Pretty enlightening. You NYCers are a funny bunch, if you don't mind me saying. I don't know a single guy IRL with shaped eyebrows, though I do know one who uses a hair curler and another who uses colored contacts, but they are the rarity. When my bf goes out, he runs a hand through his hair and pulls on a shirt and jeans. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Off course. It makes sense. If he's asking me out and yet dares insists on splitting the bill, I'm not even gonna proceed to the date.... I'm gone. My exiting speech would be somewhere along the line ''Excuse me but I didn't hear you, did you just say 50/50? Well I'm sorry but I brought nothing, bye''. That's a horrible lack of finesse. You don't like guys who don't pay, fine, at least do the adult thing and pay anyway, just don't see him again. Nobody likes to see petty squabbles between supposed adults over the bill at restaurants. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 It depends where that typical man is located. I can show you plenty of straight men in Manahattan who have such rituals and many women in Manhattan love the metro male look. If the whole, whoever makes more pays more works for you, then run with it. It can get complicated though. Are we excluding bills? Student loan payments? Tax percentages (small business owner/contractor vs employee)? How about retirement contributions? How are we arriving at our I think that you can do a percentage based split like that. Personally, I do a fairly equal (50/50) split with my gf and she makes more than double what I do as I am currently on fellowship. However, she also has more overhead and school loans (private vs public for me). If one of us is short that week, the other tries to cover it or we stay home and enjoy ourselves. We both try not to put the other in a tough position. If she is doing something for me (say a wedding for a friend of mine), then I foot the whole bill and vice versa. Don't forget to factor in whether or not the person who made more actually works for that money. Shuffling paper around, answering the phone, pecking at a keyboard and sitting in meetings is not real work. Parting with money for them should be easier than someone who had to actually works for their money. Link to post Share on other sites
zengirl Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Don't forget to factor in whether or not the person who made more actually works for that money. Shuffling paper around, answering the phone, pecking at a keyboard and sitting in meetings is not real work. Parting with money for them should be easier than someone who had to actually works for their money. Sitting in meetings is tough work if you ask me. I'd much rather be doing 'actual work'! Anyway, I brought the idea up, and I just think it's natural for someone who has a lot of disposable income to WANT to cover a partner who does not. Even a non-partner. If I go out to lunch with someone who's not currently working or underemployed, I often try to pay because I'm doing really well. Not in a flashy way, just so that my friend can have more lunches with me without any financial burden, etc. It seems natural. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Sitting in meetings is tough work if you ask me. I'd much rather be doing 'actual work'! Anyway, I brought the idea up, and I just think it's natural for someone who has a lot of disposable income to WANT to cover a partner who does not. Even a non-partner. If I go out to lunch with someone who's not currently working or underemployed, I often try to pay because I'm doing really well. Not in a flashy way, just so that my friend can have more lunches with me without any financial burden, etc. It seems natural. ^^^^^What people who don't actually work at work always say! Link to post Share on other sites
zengirl Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 ^^^^^What people who don't actually work at work always say! If someone would pay me the same salary and give me the same autonomy to clean houses or teach kids as I get at my paper-pushing job now (where luckily I do get to do a little actual work from time to time), I'd take it. Jobs where you actually work tend to pay less, sadly. So I guess those folks would get a few free dinners by my system naturally. Link to post Share on other sites
veggirl Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't get the "it takes me sooo long to get ready for dates" argument from women. I put all my make up on, do my hair, shower, dress, in an hour. That includes blow drying and straightening my hair. I would expect a guy may take less time than that, but an hour is not much. How much WORK does it take to get ready if it takes freakin more than an hour?! like what are you having to do to yourself to make yourself presentable? I don't get it. I would assume my man takes about 30 min to get ready. So yeah less time than me, but nothing that would make me think he owes me dinner for my extra 30 min. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
veggirl Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Interesting. Are there really men who don't work in modelling or related industries (where they need to show their face/body to the world), who get eyebrow waxes and manicures? Last guy I dated got in between his brows waxed when he got his hair cut! Only guy I've known who does that though. I was surprised when I found out he did that, he wasn't "metro" or anything like that, but I guess his hair cutter lady suggested it! Link to post Share on other sites
seachangeoflove Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Sitting in meetings is tough work if you ask me. I'd much rather be doing 'actual work'! Anyway, I brought the idea up, and I just think it's natural for someone who has a lot of disposable income to WANT to cover a partner who does not. Even a non-partner. If I go out to lunch with someone who's not currently working or underemployed, I often try to pay because I'm doing really well. Not in a flashy way, just so that my friend can have more lunches with me without any financial burden, etc. It seems natural. this. But Ive been told by many of my friends (female and male) that I am one of the most generous people they've met. Frankly I find that kind of sad. I treat my friends. Ive gone on road trips where we had agreed "you drive and pay for gas, I'll pick up the hotel" Well the last trip I went on that was the agreement, but I knew my friend was struggling to make ends meet and I was not. I really wanted him to go with me so I surprised him on the way home and filled up the tank on my card while he was in the bathroom. I knew that if I offered he would have refused out of pride but this way it just went by without much commotion... he just came out to the car and I said "oh I already started pumping gas for you!" and we werent 'even dating! Edited June 28, 2012 by seachangeoflove Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't get the "it takes me sooo long to get ready for dates" argument from women. I put all my make up on, do my hair, shower, dress, in an hour. That includes blow drying and straightening my hair. I would expect a guy may take less time than that, but an hour is not much. How much WORK does it take to get ready if it takes freakin more than an hour?! like what are you having to do to yourself to make yourself presentable? I don't get it. I would assume my man takes about 30 min to get ready. So yeah less time than me, but nothing that would make me think he owes me dinner for my extra 30 min. I take longer than that to get ready. I work about fifteen minutes from home and wake up two hours before I have to be there. I don't use too many products but I have to make sure I wash every inch of my body in the shower plus I just like taking my sweet old time in the morning. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sanman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Pretty enlightening. You NYCers are a funny bunch, if you don't mind me saying. I don't know a single guy IRL with shaped eyebrows, though I do know one who uses a hair curler and another who uses colored contacts, but they are the rarity. When my bf goes out, he runs a hand through his hair and pulls on a shirt and jeans. Correction, you don't know a single guy that admits it to you! Seriously though, I'm not into all that either ( except for the occasional hot shave at the barber shop), but women in NYC are particular about their men. Wardrobe does matter more around here. Even the straightest of straight guys better know the type of jeans the woman he is with wants him in. Regular fit, dark wash in my case. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 I don't get the "it takes me sooo long to get ready for dates" argument from women. I put all my make up on, do my hair, shower, dress, in an hour. That includes blow drying and straightening my hair. I would expect a guy may take less time than that, but an hour is not much. How much WORK does it take to get ready if it takes freakin more than an hour?! like what are you having to do to yourself to make yourself presentable? I don't get it. Yeah, I don't get it either. In fact, it's quite possibly the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Women spend time applying makeup to make themselves look better than they actually are. A woman who has natural beauty needs little or no makeup. So all these ugly chicks spending hours dolling themselves up trying to trick men into liking them are now saying that they are doing it for men's benefit and that men should be paying for it?? Only women could come up such "logic"... Link to post Share on other sites
Drseussgrrl Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 Clothes cost more money for men than women. Do you know how much a good supportive bra alone costs? Let's not even get into how many more products we use on a daily basis. Birth control. Tampons. Accessories. I could go on and on about just how much more expensive it is to just BE a woman. I take about an hour also to get ready in the morning. Does this entitle me to a free meal? Of course not. But maintaining myself DOES help me attract men who are more than happy to ask me out and treat me to dinner occasionally, while not making sexist remarks such as "Only women could come up such "logic"..." In turn, I treat my man like gold. I bake, I make dinner, I give great massages, I'm thoughtful, honest, and loyal. Feelsgood - you come across as generally angry at women. Why is that? Are you in a loving, stable relationship with a woman right now, or are you on loveshack day after day, bashing them and assuming that we're all gold-digging whores who cheat? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Correction, you don't know a single guy that admits it to you! Seriously though, I'm not into all that either ( except for the occasional hot shave at the barber shop), but women in NYC are particular about their men. Wardrobe does matter more around here. Even the straightest of straight guys better know the type of jeans the woman he is with wants him in. Regular fit, dark wash in my case. Hahah, it's obvious as hell when someone has their eyebrows waxed. If it wasn't, women wouldn't bother to do it. It's painful and expensive, unless you're good enough to do it yourself, but if you're an amateur you'll usually botch up the job and look awful, so most people pay professionals for eyebrows at least to start with. I don't agree with the 'I dress up, you pay' argument either, but I don't think most people will say that male wardrobe and maintenance is as complex as the female corollary (unless, again, you're paid to show your face to the world). The sheer fact that departmental clothing and beauty stores have at least 75% female products should be testament to that. You personally may not care for a lot of the female fashion fuss, but if ALL guys did not, women would have been eventually socialized not to do them in the same way that most guys have been socialized not to. Last guy I dated got in between his brows waxed when he got his hair cut! Only guy I've known who does that though. I was surprised when I found out he did that, he wasn't "metro" or anything like that, but I guess his hair cutter lady suggested it! Hahah, the vainest guy I know only wore colored contacts. Even he didn't wax his brows. Don't forget to factor in whether or not the person who made more actually works for that money. Shuffling paper around, answering the phone, pecking at a keyboard and sitting in meetings is not real work. Parting with money for them should be easier than someone who had to actually works for their money. Paperwork is the necessary bane of most jobs. Most people I know wish that they had less paperwork to do and more time to focus on their actual jobs, but it is a burden that admin hoists onto most people. People don't usually do paperwork by choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) Feelsgood - you come across as generally angry at women. Why is that? Are you in a loving, stable relationship with a woman right now, or are you on loveshack day after day, bashing them and assuming that we're all gold-digging whores who cheat? I never said that all women are gold-digging whores.The girl I'm dating right now is quite sweet and unassuming (and very different from the type of woman who thinks men owe her something just because she has tits). However, some women are, in fact, gold-digging whores. It's not my fault that they are disproportionately represented on this board Any woman who thinks that she is entitled to freebies because she had to spend money on "supportive bras" deserves all the ridicule she can get. By this logic, if a guy can't get it up on his own and needs to buy Viagra, women should be taking him out because he's spending a lot of money on "being a man" Edited June 29, 2012 by Feelsgoodman Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 I never said that all women are gold-digging whores.The girl I'm dating right now is quite sweet and unassuming But then there's that gynecological issue ... Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 But then there's that gynecological issue ... Not an issue anymore. I'm reading a "do it yourself" book on gynecology, so I'll be able to perform the necessary procedures myself. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Not an issue anymore. I'm reading a "do it yourself" book on gynecology, so I'll be able to perform the necessary procedures myself. Please stop short of performing a clitectomy on her. Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Please stop short of performing a clitectomy on her. Dare I ask what this is about? Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Dare I ask what this is about? She's referring to the parody thread I posted a few days ago about supposedly being worried about my GF getting naked for a gynecologist A lot of people apparently didn't get the joke.. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Check out the man's gynecologist thread! Link to post Share on other sites
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