Feminism and real men.

[Necromancer]

I have been thinking alot about this, i live in a small country, 300.000 people.

 

The chances for a girl to be asked on a date (at day time) , are the same as winning the lottery. Random people never go on dates here.

 

People go down town, get drunk, go home together and if there is more interest they exchange numbers.

 

It´s like men treat flirting, like walking on eggshell. We are born to put women on pedistal and care more about her feelings that our own.

 

Has feminism cut off mens balls and made them into weak boys with no backbone?

[udolipixie]

I don't think feminism has done so though it is telling how many associate feminism with ball busting/cutting rather than radical feminism or misandry.

 

I doubt guys generally care more about gals feelings than their own considering how the meme for many is 'gals don't know what they want don't take them seriously', 'gals are emotional and fickle don't take them seriously' seems more like guys brush off or diminish the value and importance of gals feelings.

 

I highly doubt the societal norm is that guys are born to gals on a pedestal since they were born seems more like guys are born putting gals bodies on a pedestal.

 

Seems more like the fear of rejection has and the chances of rejection have increased as gals are likely exercising more dating standards as many don't have to depend on a guy for financial survival has lead to feeling disempowered. As for waling on eggshells it's more likely that many guys realize that they may actually be held accountable for what they say and do to a gal (sexual harassment/assault) rather than do as they wish and brush off with 'she's emotional', 'boys will be boys', 'it's natural for a guy to do X don't take it so seriously', or 'you should be flattered'.

[Sid6.7]

No, Men have done this to themselves. Whether it be raised by single mothers or the propaganda we see in the media. Just turn on the TV and you will see advertisements, periodicals, and programming that make the man out to be a complete tool. An idiot.

 

Some Men in today's age believe this the a norm, it's tragic. It's the pussification of man in modern society. The only feminism going on right now is the feminisation of today's of Men.

 

Now, of course there is real feminism out there but that exists in the aspect of equal rights for women. Which is a good thing. However, some women today want the equal treatment of today, all the while picking and choosing the treatment of yesterday.

 

I don't know what country you are in but here in America at the age of 18 our young men are required to register for the military. Required.

For the women it is still an option. Just one example.

 

I myself am a feminist. I think all women should be treated equal. They are my peers, nothing more.

[udolipixie]

No, Men have done this to themselves. Whether it be raised by single mothers or the propaganda we see in the media. Just turn on the TV and you will see advertisements, periodicals, and programming that make the man out to be a complete tool. An idiot.

 

Some Men in today's age believe this the a norm, it's tragic. It's the pussification of man in modern society. The only feminism going on right now is the feminisation of today's of Men.

Bit curious as to why being raised by single fathers or two unit homes isn't listed as a possibility.

 

Interesting how female genitals are often used as an insult I see dick being used though many see it as being bold, having courage, or an admirable thing as 'gals love jerks' while pussy is rarely anything other than inferior, weak, cowardly, and lacking.

[Sid6.7]

Bit curious as to why being raised by single fathers or two unit homes isn't listed as a possibility.

 

 

I said single mothers for a reason. Because there is no Man in a child's life to teach him to be a man. A single mother just tells a young boy "this is how your treat women". Complete BS! Whatever your mother told you about how to get women. Do the exact opposite. Instead we have Men raised in a generation of single mothers that didn't teach their boys to be real men.

 

A man in a child's life will teach him these traits, teach him to be a man. Teach him manly things into adulthood. When was the last time your mother taught you how to change a tire? I know a few Men that don't know how to change a tire! A ****ing tire, the basics! This is the pussification of Man I speak of. Holy Cow! They are feminized.

[ThaWholigan]

Bit curious as to why being raised by single fathers or two unit homes isn't listed as a possibility.

 

Interesting how female genitals are often used as an insult I see dick being used though many see it as being bold, having courage, or an admirable thing as 'gals love jerks' while pussy is rarely anything other than inferior, weak, cowardly, and lacking.

Listen, I was raised by a single mother and I am hopeless with women. Coincidence? Maybe, but he's not completely wrong. Most of the guys I know who are good with women or at least comfortable with their own masculinity however expressed, have some kind of good relationship with their father. My own relationship with my dad has been progressive, although at the start nonexistent as I didn't see him often. I am only now starting to have some kind of confidence as a result. Again, maybe a coincidence. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility of my father's influence having a positive effect.

 

Also, dick often IS used as an insult, as is pussy. The difference being that the dick/pussy paradigm acts as a mirror to the masculinity/femininity paradigm, which symbolizes masculinity as "dominant" and femininity as "submissive". I don't believe this is meant to be indicative of women and men as sentient beings, much more that it is more a reflection of the energies of both the masculine and the feminine, which can be embodied in both men and women. I've certainly met women who resonated more with masculine energy and men who resonated more with feminine energy. I wouldn't look too deep into the whole dick/pussy thing.

 

*I'd like to point out that my mother, while raising me alone, never raised me to be a pussy . She was just a little stricter about certain things, like not being allowed to date white girls being one of them.

[udolipixie]

I said single mothers for a reason. Because there is no Man in a child's life to teach him to be a man. A single mother just tells a young boy "this is how your treat women". Complete BS! Whatever your mother told you about how to get women. Do the exact opposite. Instead we have Men raised in a generation of single women that didn't teach their boys to be real men.

 

A man in a child's life will teach him these traits, teach him to be a man. Teach him manly things into adulthood. When was the last time your mother taught you how to change a tire? I know a few Men that don't know how to change a tire! A ****ing tire, the basics! This is the pussification of Man I speak of. Holy Cow! They are feminized.

 

The assumption that guys with a single mother don't have a man to teach them how to be men overlooks the possiblity of grandfathers, uncles, male cousins, male teachers, and male role models.

 

The implication that the guys with a single father and two unit households will be taught how to be real men overlooks the possibility that the dad may not be competent.

 

Bit curious as to how you define a real man with the whole spiel on not knowing how to change a tire. As to me that seems more like lacking life skills likely due to a society of hiring others to do work rather than diythan not being taught how to be a real man.

 

Again interesting how female genitals are often used as an insult though it's not surprising considering your bit about when a single mother just tells a young boy "this is how your treat women" it's complete BS.

[Sid6.7]

The assumption that guys with a single mother don't have a man to teach them how to be men overlooks the possiblity of grandfathers, uncles, male cousins, male teachers, and male role models.

 

The implication that the guys with a single father and two unit households will be taught how to be real men overlooks the possibility that the dad may not be competent.

 

Bit curious as to how you define a real man with the whole spiel on not knowing how to change a tire. As to me that seems more like lacking life skills likely due to a society of hiring others to do work rather than diythan not being taught how to be a real man.

 

 

Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't make the rule any less valid.

Ever heard a single mom talk about how her ex was an ******* or a deadbeat? Yeah me too. Simple solution to this, stop ****ing deadbeats! He was a deadbeat before she got knocked up and she still signed up for it! The result is a single mother with a child (in this case a male) being coddled and told no his entire life. Next thing you know the kid is posting on LS on why he has no game.

 

Do you know how to change a tire?

[manup]

I have been thinking alot about this, i live in a small country, 300.000 people.

 

The chances for a girl to be asked on a date (at day time) , are the same as winning the lottery. Random people never go on dates here.

 

People go down town, get drunk, go home together and if there is more interest they exchange numbers.

 

It´s like men treat flirting, like walking on eggshell. We are born to put women on pedistal and care more about her feelings that our own.

 

Has feminism cut off mens balls and made them into weak boys with no backbone?

People go down town, get drunk, go home together and if there is more interest they exchange numbers.

 

What else could a man ask for?

[Woggle]

It's not feminism that is the problem. Gender equality should be the norm but sadly we have an epidemic of entitled princesses who want to hide behind some girl power facade to justify why they treat people the way they do. Men accept it because we are afraid of being called sexist and think that maybe if we take it easy on women they will see we are one of the good ones and treat us better but that never works.

 

I hope I see the day when we have true respect and equality for most men and women in my lifetime but I am not holding my breath.

[udolipixie]

Listen, I was raised by a single mother and I am hopeless with women. Coincidence? Maybe, but he's not completely wrong. Most of the guys I know who are good with women or at least comfortable with their own masculinity however expressed, have some kind of good relationship with their father. My own relationship with my dad has been progressive, although at the start nonexistent as I didn't see him often. I am only now starting to have some kind of confidence as a result. Again, maybe a coincidence. But I wouldn't rule out the possibility of my father's influence having a positive effect.

 

Also, dick often IS used as an insult, as is pussy. The difference being that the dick/pussy paradigm acts as a mirror to the masculinity/femininity paradigm, which symbolizes masculinity as "dominant" and femininity as "submissive". I don't believe this is meant to be indicative of women and men as sentient beings, much more that it is more a reflection of the energies of both the masculine and the feminine, which can be embodied in both men and women. I've certainly met women who resonated more with masculine energy and men who resonated more with feminine energy. I wouldn't look too deep into the whole dick/pussy thing.

 

*I'd like to point out that my mother, while raising me alone, never raised me to be a pussy . She was just a little stricter about certain things, like not being allowed to date white girls being one of them.

 

Many studies have consistently shown that the majority of guys will rape if there's no consequences so I suppose it maybe a coincidence it's not completely wrong that the majority of guys will rape given the opportunity.

 

I know many gals who dated black guys and encountered far more sexism than other races so I suppose it maybe a coincidence but they're not completely wrong that black guys are the most sexist race.

 

Most of the guys I know who are good with gals or comfortable with their masculinity are so because they have confidence, self-esteem, and established gender identity that they don't have conflicts or complexes about.

 

I already stated I see dick being used as an insult. The difference between the two is dick can often be taken as an admirable thing as being dominant, confident, bold, or uncaring of what others think while pussy is rarely can seen as such. Both are negatives however seems dick is like being called a jerk while pussy is like being called inferior, weak, cowardly and lacking.

[TheFinalWord]

Many studies have consistently shown that the majority of guys will rape if there's no consequences so I suppose it maybe a coincidence it's not completely wrong that the majority of guys will rape given the opportunity.

 

Please cite those studies. That's a dramatic claim to make!

[Sid6.7]

Please cite those studies. That's a dramatic claim to make!

 

Not only dramatic, criminal. I have never heard of such a thing.

[udolipixie]

Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but that doesn't make the rule any less valid.

 

Ever heard a single mom talk about how her ex was an ******* or a deadbeat? Yeah me too. Simple solution to this, stop ****ing deadbeats! He was a deadbeat before she got knocked up and she still signed up for it! The result is a single mother with a child (in this case a male) being coddled and told no his entire life. Next thing you know the kid is posting on LS on why he has no game.

 

Do you know how to change a tire?

It's an exception to consider you're overlooking the possiblility of grandfathers, uncles, male cousins, male teachers, and male role models.

 

It's an exception to consider you're overlooking the possibility that if there is a dad he may not be competent to teach the son how to be a man.

 

So your rule is guys with single mothers have no one to teach them how to be a man and that most guys who are fathers are competent to teach their sons how to be a man.

 

Interesting that to you being taught how to change a tire equates to learning how to be a man. I see it as basic life skills that seems to be lacking as many hire others to do their work rather than do it themselves.

[firehawk1]

yes women have done this to men. you have NO idea.... so easy to blame men for things when it is your own fault and you cannot even see it.

men make effort - women dont like it and blow it way way out of proportion

men dont make effort - women dont like it and blow it way way out of proportion

damned if you do. damned if you dont.

[Sid6.7]

It's an exception to consider you're overlooking the possiblility of grandfathers, uncles, male cousins, male teachers, and male role models.

None of which are the father, by then it's probably too late.

 

 

It's an exception to consider you're overlooking the possibility that if there is a dad he may not be competent to teach the son how to be a man.

Yes, it is an exception. Most men are not incompetent. Seems you are the problem and not the solution.

 

So your rule is guys with single mothers have no one to teach them how to be a man and that most guys who are fathers are competent to teach their sons how to be a man.

 

If they have no father to teach them, correct.

 

Interesting that to you being taught how to change a tire equates to learning how to be a man. I see it as basic life skills that seems to be lacking as many hire others to do their work rather than do it themselves.

Try not to be thick. I never equated being a man to changing a tire. What I did do is provide an example of what men in our modern society can't do.

 

Which I suppose is ok, with feminism a female can change her own tire while the Man relaxes in the passenger seat.

[udolipixie]

It's not feminism that is the problem. Gender equality should be the norm but sadly we have an epidemic of entitled princesses who want to hide behind some girl power facade to justify why they treat people the way they do. Men accept it because we are afraid of being called sexist and think that maybe if we take it easy on women they will see we are one of the good ones and treat us better but that never works.

 

I hope I see the day when we have true respect and equality for most men and women in my lifetime but I am not holding my breath.

 

Seems in my country we have an epidemic of entitled princes who want to hide behind movements such as male rights, anti feminism, anti-marriage, TFL, incel, anti-American gal movements to justify why they treat gals the way they do. As well as rationalizing how all or most gals are self entitled princesses, inflated egoists, gold diggers, parasites, leeches, evil, manipulative by nature, and such while guys are living in fear and downtrodded victims.

 

Most likely there will never be true respect and equality for most gals and guys in any lifetimes as it would take less 'men are superior women are inferior' memes and finding 'we're not equal because we're different' reasonable when talking about gender equality but not equality in general or race equality. When it comes to non legal equality it seems different genitials usually result in inequality.

[ThaWholigan]

Many studies have consistently shown that the majority of guys will rape if there's no consequences so I suppose it maybe a coincidence it's not completely wrong that the majority of guys will rape given the opportunity.

 

I know many gals who dated black guys and encountered far more sexism than other races so I suppose it maybe a coincidence but they're not completely wrong that black guys are the most sexist race.

 

No need to make fun of me, I'm just saying that it isn't an unreasonable comparison to make, I never said it was true

 

Most of the guys I know who are good with gals or comfortable with their masculinity are so because they have confidence, self-esteem, and established gender identity that they don't have conflicts or complexes about.

 

Of course it is . Why would anyone dispute that? All I'm saying is that it's a lot easier for guys to cultivate that mindset if they have good male role models around them. Unfortunately, I wasn't really blessed with such a scenario. Most of my family are women. I learned how to better relate to women, exercise greater empathy and other such issues. However, being a proper man is something I missed out on and have had to learn without any guidance. I didn't have any older brothers - I WAS the older brother. My brothers all are closer with their father, or at least around them enough.

 

It is only in the last 10 years that I have had a proper relationship with my father. Having him around me has helped immensely. My issue may be a unique one considering the fact that I am autistic as well as highly sensitive emotionally, despite my ability to detach. However, I doubt that I'm the only one who has similar problems. This is not to be down on single mothers at all, I'm raised by one. But something has to be said for the importance of having a father figure, even if it's not the father. It's also important to note that feminism had nothing to do with my living situation so blaming feminism at this point is silly. I will go out on a limb and say based on my very limited knowledge of feminism so far, I don't think it is a bad thing.

 

 

 

I already stated I see dick being used as an insult. The difference between the two is dick can often be taken as an admirable thing as being dominant, confident, bold, or uncaring of what others think while pussy is rarely can seen as such. Both are negatives however seems dick is like being called a jerk while pussy is like being called inferior, weak, cowardly and lacking.

 

Either my explanation was not up to par or you missed the point of that segment of my post. I suggested that possibly the dick/pussy paradigm was analogous to the idea that masculinity = dominance and femininity = submission, and that it was based on the two as different energies, rather than the actual anatomical significance of a woman and her vagina compared with a man and his penis. I also believe both energies to be sexually ambiguous, and that a woman can embody masculine energies and traits as much as a man can embody feminine energies.

 

Ugh, I gave myself a migraine

[dasein]

It's not feminism that is the problem.

 

Many studies have consistently shown that the majority of guys will rape if there's no consequences so I suppose it maybe a coincidence it's not completely wrong that the majority of guys will rape given the opportunity.

 

So, woggle, you think feminism isn't the problem? Read the above uncited cultural slander, basically a claim that all men are depraved, violent sex criminals by nature, over a couple of times. Think about where such poison comes from. Then tell me feminism isn't the problem. But of course, "we aren't those bad feminists, we are the good fourth wave brussel sprouts strand!" They... are... all... the... same.

 

Then think about all the coterie of "women bash callers" and their white knight pals here who raise hell whenever someone makes some mild generalization of women on the dating board, who lie about the frequency of gender content threads here to make a case for misogyny. But of course saying women can be flaky is MISOGYNY, disagreeing with any number of feminist lies and charades is MISOGYNY, but the above type of garbage? oh that's different! Think about how they post that they are "against hatred in all its forms! regardless of who is the target!"

 

How many of those do you suppose will pop into this thread to repudiate the vile, absurd, totally unsubstantiated claim above? Wonder when they will drop by to state how offensive they find the above statement?

 

Don't stay up late waiting for them.

[udolipixie]

None of which are the father, by then it's probably too late.

Yes, it is an exception. Most men are not incompetent. Seems you are the problem and not the solution.

 

If they have no father to teach them, correct.

 

Try not to be thick. I never equated being a man to changing a tire. What I did do is provide an example of what men in our modern society can't do.

 

Which I suppose is ok, with feminism a female can change her own tire while the Man relaxes in the passenger seat.

 

So 'A man in a child's life will teach him these traits, teach him to be a man.' means for father thus as grandfathers, uncles, male cousions, male teachers, and male role models aren't considered. How is it probably too late as none of them are the father as from my experience many see their family members on a consistent basis?

 

Different experiences with it being the exception as mine have been most guys are incompetent as they don't even know what is a man or have an established gender identity rather looking towards others to tell them what it is to be a man.

 

Your rule is correct to you as my and many other gals/guys experiences haven't gone by that rule of if they have a father by default he's competent to teach him how to be a man.

 

I'm not being thick as your posts suggested that part of learning to be a man is changing a tire as that's a manly thing not that changing a tire is something guys in modern society can't do. I asked you how do you define being a man recall:

A man in a child's life will teach him these traits, teach him to be a man. Teach him manly things into adulthood. When was the last time your mother taught you how to change a tire?

Bit curious as to how you define a real man with the whole spiel on not knowing how to change a tire. As to me that seems more like lacking life skills likely due to a society of hiring others to do work rather than diythan not being taught how to be a real man.

Do you know how to change a tire?

[Woggle]

So, woggle, you think feminism isn't the problem? Read the above uncited cultural slander, basically a claim that all men are depraved, violent sex criminals by nature, over a couple of times. Think about where such poison comes from. Then tell me feminism isn't the problem. But of course, "we aren't those bad feminists, we are the good fourth wave brussel sprouts strand!" They... are... all... the... same.

 

Then think about all the coterie of "women bash callers" and their white knight pals here who raise hell whenever someone makes some mild generalization of women on the dating board, who lie about the frequency of gender content threads here to make a case for misogyny. But of course saying women can be flaky is MISOGYNY, disagreeing with any number of feminist lies and charades is MISOGYNY, but the above type of garbage? oh that's different! Think about how they post that they are "against hatred in all its forms! regardless of who is the target!"

 

How many of those do you suppose will pop into this thread to repudiate the vile, absurd, totally unsubstantiated claim above? Wonder when they will drop by to state how offensive they find the above statement?

 

Don't stay up late waiting for them.

 

Many women who call themselves feminists would refute those statements. I do think that this kind of attitude is a big reason why feminist has become a dirty word.

[Sid6.7]

So, woggle, you think feminism isn't the problem? Read the above uncited cultural slander

 

In regards to culture, I believe he said "in my country" which I am presuming is not America. I would be interested to know what country he is from for a better perspective. udolipixie?

[udolipixie]

Read the above uncited cultural slander, basically a claim that all men are depraved, violent sex criminals by nature, over a couple of times.

It's not cultural slander it's a turnaround of another user's post to show how I find the maybe it's a coincidince.

 

It's not basically a claim that all men are depraved, violent sex criminals by nature, over a couple of times. It's my claim that having similiar experiences about a thing doesn't mean when someone makes a definitive statement or rule they're not completely wrong.

 

Bit telling how you ignored my other turnaround and focused on the one that would suit your spiel.

Listen, I was raised by a single mother and I am hopeless with women. Coincidence? Maybe, but he's not completely wrong.

Many studies have consistently shown that the majority of guys will rape if there's no consequences so I suppose it maybe a coincidence it's not completely wrong that the majority of guys will rape given the opportunity.

 

I know many gals who dated black guys and encountered far more sexism than other races so I suppose it maybe a coincidence but they're not completely wrong that black guys are the most sexist race.

[dasein]

Many women who call themselves feminists would refute those statements. I do think that this kind of attitude is a big reason why feminist has become a dirty word.

 

If that's right, surely some of the LS feminists will be along shortly to do just that. Hell I'm making it easy for them as half of them stalk my posts.

 

So, how long do you think it will take? They'd be leaping all over a "misogynist" thread by now, surely they would be equally concerned by slanders against men if feminism were about equality? No? Wonder why that is?

[mesmerized]

I don't think men are all rapist by nature. I think certain cultures/beliefs can turn men into what we call sex offenders.