Feminism and real men.

[udolipixie]

In regards to culture, I believe he said "in my country" which I am presuming is not America. I would be interested to know what country he is from for a better perspective. udolipixie?

Egh I haven't been talking about culture at all just making a turnaround to show I find it illogical to say my experiences have been similiar so a definitive statement/rule isn't completely wrong. I'm in America.

 

Again bit telling how dasein picked the turnaround that suits his spiel. Where's the outcry for ''the above uncited cultural slander, basically a claim that all or most black guys are sexist and more sexist than guys of other races'?

 

Oh that's right it doesn't fit with his spiel.

[Woggle]

If that's right, surely some of the LS feminists will be along shortly to do just that. Hell I'm making it easy for them as half of them stalk my posts.

 

So, how long do you think it will take? They'd be leaping all over a "misogynist" thread by now, surely they would be equally concerned by slanders against men if feminism were about equality? No? Wonder why that is?

 

I hope women here will refute that statement. Ladies do you agree that most would rape of given the chance?

 

I know in work today we were discussing the case of that football player who was falsely accused of rape and every woman said she should do jail time.

[dasein]

It's not cultural slander

 

Not interested in playing "fractured thought patterns" with you at the moment, either cite the studies or admit you were talking out of your ass.

[dasein]

I don't think men are all rapist by nature. I think certain cultures/beliefs can turn men into what we call sex offenders.

 

See man, they are incapable of simple refutation without some qualifier or dig.

 

If someone said "a majority of women are violent sex criminals by nature," or something equally insane, I'd have no problem at all stating how silly and absurd such was without any qualifiers at all.

[udolipixie]

If that's right, surely some of the LS feminists will be along shortly to do just that. Hell I'm making it easy for them as half of them stalk my posts.

 

So, how long do you think it will take? They'd be leaping all over a "misogynist" thread by now, surely they would be equally concerned by slanders against men if feminism were about equality? No? Wonder why that is?

 

No wonder to me as there's no slander against men just a guy with a fixation on feminism as it's prevalent misandry while no prevalent misgyony exists, how majority of gals = bad & majority of guys = good, anything remotely negative about guys is misandry if it doesn't state a miniscule minority, and most bad actions being a gender thing exclusive to gals as men never do this.

 

It's a turnaround of another user's statement to show for me having similiar experiences doesn't mean when someone makes a definitive statement or rule they're not completely wrong.

[Sid6.7]

 

I know in work today we were discussing the case of that football player who was falsely accused of rape and every woman said she should do jail time.

 

Off topic, but I do believe she got, what? 1.5 million. Were talking about the guy from USC that was 16 and had a possible NFL future ahead of him? Right? Dude did between 5-10 yrs in prison. Over an allegation!! Just the allegation! Fella's an accusation is all it takes. I have been saying this for years.

 

This infuriates me to no end. She should be put in jail for life! That's right, life because that is exactly what she took from this young man.

 

GRR, sorry off topic. Carry on.

[udolipixie]

See man, they are incapable of simple refutation without some qualifier or dig.

 

If someone said "a majority of women are violent sex criminals by nature," or something equally insane, I'd have no problem at all stating how silly and absurd such was without any qualifiers at all.

 

Yet no one stated 'a majority of guys are violent sex criminals'.

 

Do tell why is it they instead of her?

 

As well as amusing how you're talking about incapable of simple refutation without some qualifier or dig when you often do it in regards to gals.

[ThaWholigan]

Not interested in playing "fractured thought patterns" with you at the moment, either cite the studies or admit you were talking out of your ass.

Let me clarify:

 

She was insulting me with that comment. She does not endorse it, she merely decided to use such a comment to counter my claim that sons raised by single mothers find it difficult to grow into "real men" without effective male role models. I never said that is true - I am raised by a single mother so that would implicate me, but I don't think of myself as maladjusted, even despite my learning difficulties. I simply said that there wasn't anything unreasonable about what the particular poster (sid6.7) claimed.

 

She obviously took offense .

[dasein]

She does not endorse it, .

 

Oh yes she does, and the motive for posting such a claim is irrelevant.

[udolipixie]

Not interested in playing "fractured thought patterns" with you at the moment, either cite the studies or admit you were talking out of your ass.

 

You've shown a meme of when given statistics, evidence, and research that doesn't subscribe to your meme that you essentially dismiss it with state feminism or diminish/excuse it.

 

Such as when you stated there's no prevalent misgyony only misandry and when show proof cited proof it's trolls or joking before summing it up with if there is any prevalent misgyony it's a reaction to feminism. Though you exited when I stated how'd you like being told if there's any prevalent misandry it's reaction to previous oppression or lack of rights.

[dasein]

Yet no one .

 

Cite the "several studies" or admit you were talking out of your ass.

[udolipixie]

Oh yes she does, and the motive for posting such a claim is irrelevant.

Interesting how you can tell me what I endorse.

 

The motive for posting such a claim is relevant as I was doing a turnaround of another user's post of maybe it's a coincidence but it's not completely wrong to show having similiar experiences about a thing doesn't mean when someone makes a definitive statement or rule they're not completely wrong.

 

Bit telling how you ignored my other turnaround and focused on the one that would suit your spiel. Where's the outcry for ''the above uncited cultural slander, basically a claim that all or most black guys are sexist and more sexist than guys of other races'? Oh that's right it doesn't fit with your spiel.

 

Listen, I was raised by a single mother and I am hopeless with women. Coincidence? Maybe, but he's not completely wrong.

Many studies have consistently shown that the majority of guys will rape if there's no consequences so I suppose it maybe a coincidence it's not completely wrong that the majority of guys will rape given the opportunity.

 

I know many gals who dated black guys and encountered far more sexism than other races so I suppose it maybe a coincidence but they're not completely wrong that black guys are the most sexist race.

[udolipixie]

Let me clarify:

 

She was insulting me with that comment. She does not endorse it, she merely decided to use such a comment to counter my claim that sons raised by single mothers find it difficult to grow into "real men" without effective male role models. I never said that is true - I am raised by a single mother so that would implicate me, but I don't think of myself as maladjusted, even despite my learning difficulties. I simply said that there wasn't anything unreasonable about what the particular poster (sid6.7) claimed.

 

She obviously took offense .

 

I didn't take offense I was just showing having similiar experiences doesn't mean when someone makes a definitive statement or rule they're not completely wrong.

 

Egh I was attempting to insult you.

[udolipixie]

Cite the "several studies" or admit you were talking out of your ass.

 

You've shown a meme of when given statistics, evidence, and research that doesn't subscribe to your meme that you essentially dismiss it with state feminism or diminish/excuse it.

 

Again telling how you ignored my other turnaround where's the outcry for cultural slander basically a claim that all or most black guys are sexist and more sexist than guys of other races'? Oh that's right it doesn't fit with your spiel.

[dasein]

Interesting

 

You can't cite the "studies" because they don't exist. I'm familiar with the claim you posted, and it doesn't come from any reputable, peer reviewed study, but from feminist policy propaganda.

 

And btw, the term "meme" has a specific meaning, and though it seems to be your vocabulary word of the week, you are misusing it terribly. Moreover, as it originates in a rather specious strand of social science, the term is one you may want to reconsider using at all.

[d'Arthez]

Moreover, as it originates in a rather specious strand of social science, the term is one you may want to reconsider using at all.

I find this rather ironic coming from someone with the Heideggerian username of dasein.

[mesmerized]

See man, they are incapable of simple refutation without some qualifier or dig.

 

If someone said "a majority of women are violent sex criminals by nature," or something equally insane, I'd have no problem at all stating how silly and absurd such was without any qualifiers at all.

 

Oh shut up. maybe for you its easy to deny how many Muslim women are raped and trwated like absolute trash. But for people who know of it more closely its not. Do you know how many women in certain areas light themselves on fire because of the way theyre treated by men? Of course you don't. Too Freaking ignorant.

[ThaWholigan]

I didn't take offense I was just showing having similiar experiences doesn't mean when someone makes a definitive statement or rule they're not completely wrong.

 

Egh I was attempting to insult you.

Maybe so, but it was still a very tactless post - look at the carnage it caused .

 

Let us at least acknowledge the legitimacy of the claim about men raised by single mothers. It does not come from a place of malice, or even widespread truth, but is a probable side effect that may or may not arise.

 

Your point about having male role models outside of the father has credence, as I know a lot of guys who thrive under such circumstances, but consider the male who has poor role models instead, and only has women in his life. How does he reconcile his masculinity? And furthermore, how does he define masculinity?

 

I'm going to ask you a question, it might sound silly but I'm curious: Do you think of masculinity as bad? How would you, as a young woman, define it in your eyes? Don't worry, I have my own definition as a man, I just want to hear yours.

[dasein]

I find this rather ironic coming from someone with the Heideggerian username of dasein.

 

You won't find the term "meme" in any philosophy I'm familiar with, Richard Dawkins originated the term IIRC, and it is as overused and misused as "paradigm" was post Kuhn and SOSR.

[udolipixie]

You can't cite the "studies" because they don't exist. I'm familiar with the claim you posted, and it doesn't come from any reputable, peer reviewed study, but from feminist policy propaganda.

 

And btw, the term "meme" has a specific meaning, and though it seems to be your vocabulary word of the week, you are misusing it terribly. Moreover, as it originates in a rather specious strand of social science, the term is one you may want to reconsider using at all.

Again telling how you ignored my other turnaround where's the outcry for cultural slander basically a claim that all or most black guys are sexist and more sexist than guys of other races'? Oh that's right it doesn't fit with your spiel.

 

I actually can cite studies and I highly doubt you're familiar with those studies. Interesting how without me even citing it you followed the behavior pattern I stated you tend to do dismiss it by stating feminism or diminish/excuse it.

 

Meme isn't my vocabulary word of the week as I've been using it quite frequently for far more than than a week .

Meme: An element of a culture or behavior that may be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, esp. imitation

Meme: An idea, behavior or style that spreads from person to person within a culture.

 

Do tell what definition are you using as going by that the following is within the definition:

You've shown a meme of when given statistics, evidence, and research that doesn't subscribe to your meme that you essentially dismiss it with state feminism or diminish/excuse it.

You've shown a style that others have of dismissing factual evidence and research that don't support your style.

[dasein]

Oh shut up. maybe for you its easy to deny how many Muslim women are raped and trwated like absolute trash. But for people who know of it more closely its not. Do you know how many women in certain areas light themselves on fire because of the way theyre treated by men? Of course you don't. Too Freaking ignorant.

 

See, woggle, they will turn a simple refutation of a statement -about men- around and try to make it about women. For feminists, men only exist in relation to women, not as ends in ourselves. There's a word for that. And time to link my favorite youtube summary of feminism once again:

 

NAFALT! (conclusion) - YouTube

[d'Arthez]

You won't find the term "meme" in any philosophy I'm familiar with, Richard Dawkins originated the term IIRC, and it is as overused and misused as "paradigm" was post Kuhn and SOSR.

I was referring to your user name. Guess you don't realize how much BS Heidegger has produced.

[dasein]

I actually can cite studies and I highly doubt you're familiar with those studies. Interesting how without me even citing it you followed the behavior pattern I stated you tend to do dismiss it by stating feminism or diminish/excuse it.

 

@wholigan, She -believes- what she posted, obvious from the above, meant to post it, does endorse it, and chose to do so in lieu of many less inflammatory options.

 

@udolipixie, yet you don't cite. You can't because you know from whence such misandry issues, and don't want the source and the lie exposed for what they are.

[Sid6.7]

And time to link my favorite youtube summary of feminism once again:

 

NAFALT! (conclusion) - YouTube

 

Never seen that one. That dude is out of his mind.

 

Ah, the pussification of Man. Makes me want to go club a baby seal (insert sarcasm font here).

[mesmerized]

udolipixie accuse most men of raping if they could and just cause some bad ones did doesn't mean most would.

 

I never said men are rapist by nature. Certain cultures have certainly turned their men into monsters(burning schools with girls in it in afghanestan anyone?). I'm sure there are some in which women are monsters in it too, I cant think of any in this day and age at least. I just hate how ignorant people in their parents basement who has probably never gone anywhere else make ignorant statements.