Why Do People think Lowly Of Hookers?

[carhill]

Nothing is more detrimental to marriages and families than infidelity. Infidelity is involved in 90% of all divorces according to some statistics I've read--certainly the majority in any case. The majority of cases of marital infidelity result in divorce.

I've seen more damage done to marriages by alcoholism and abuse, like battery. Slippery slope

 

I go to a bar, spend my children's grocery money on booze, come home drunk and beat my wife for, well, just because. What role does the bartender who served me, the taxi driver who brought me home, the spirits seller who provided the bar with the vehicle of my destructive behavior play in the dynamic? They all contributed, didn't they? Slippery slope. They can claim ignorance, just like the prostitute. How are any of them to know/verify the details of my life prior to providing 'service'?

 

Equity demands equal examination. I trust you won't agree with that, but that's what discussions are about, and boy do I love discussing...

[KathyM]

The simple fact is this; Prostitution is illegal so cops can bust poor lonely men and government can take their money, so pimps and organized crime can reap the profits instead of the girls, so fat angry women can still get sex, because there are men who are so hard up they will give it to them, and women in general can maintain CONTROL using that thing between their legs that's more valuble than gold. Sex as a weapon goes out the window when a man can get it anywhere without fearing incarceration and public ridicule. When was prostitution criminalized in the U.S.? When women got the right to vote, and some greedy politician wanted those votes. Same with Marijuana. Impose your morals on someone else. Most men are in favor of hookers and weed. :-)

Yea, I know a lot of men are nothing more than a dick with legs, who glorify the desires of their penis above everything else--even more than their wife and children. Fortunately, there are some men among you that do ascribe to higher values, and don't bow down to their penis, and its every whim. Some men want to be more than a dickhead, but unfortunately, too many of you aspire to be nothing more.

[fortyninethousand322]

Yea, I know a lot of men are nothing more than a dick with legs, who glorify the desires of their penis above everything else--even more than their wife and children. Fortunately, there are some men among you that do ascribe to higher values, and don't bow down to their penis, and its every whim. Some men want to be more than a dickhead, but unfortunately, too many of you aspire to be nothing more.

 

But I mean if some men want to be a "dickhead" isn't that their choice? As long as they aren't physically harming anyone what's the problem? Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone.

[KathyM]

I've seen more damage done to marriages by alcoholism and abuse, like battery. Slippery slope

 

I go to a bar, spend my children's grocery money on booze, come home drunk and beat my wife for, well, just because. What role does the bartender who served me, the taxi driver who brought me home, the spirits seller who provided the bar with the vehicle of my destructive behavior play in the dynamic? They all contributed, didn't they? Slippery slope. They can claim ignorance, just like the prostitute. How are any of them to know/verify the details of my life prior to providing 'service'?

 

Equity demands equal examination. I trust you won't agree with that, but that's what discussions are about, and boy do I love discussing...

So because there are other things that damage marriage, this should be OK then? So because alcoholism hurts marriages, we should be OK with abuse in a marriage? That argument makes no sense. The vast majority of people served a drink in a bar do not go on to beat their wives, but the majority of customers of hookers are cheating on their wives, and the hookers are well aware that the majority are married. They don't care that their customers are married, as long as they get their money.

[Nicomis]

Yea, I know a lot of men are nothing more than a dick with legs, who glorify the desires of their penis above everything else--even more than their wife and children. Fortunately, there are some men among you that do ascribe to higher values, and don't bow down to their penis, and its every whim. Some men want to be more than a dickhead, but unfortunately, too many of you aspire to be nothing more.

 

What you choose to disregard in your angry female bitterness, is that you, no matter how fat and disgusting you get, can get sex without problem. It's not important to you because it comes to you so easy. You could be a hairy, midget, amputee, and somebody would have sex with you. This is not the case for men who may be a little unfortunate in the looks department, particularly if they lack confidence, and how do you gain confidence when you never have success? Hookers that's how. Everyone desires human contact, and sex in one form or another. Try having some compassion instead of being so bitter and spiteful. God forbid some lonely chump gets his rocks off. You are why men go to Thailand.

[betterdeal]

Whilst the sex industry is more often than not a depraved, miserable, and inhuman business, it is remarkably resilient to prohibition.

 

What is most effective at reducing commercial sex and drug misuse is social and economic parity, which reduces demand and supply.

[KathyM]

But I mean if some men want to be a "dickhead" isn't that their choice? As long as they aren't physically harming anyone what's the problem? Leave them alone and they'll leave you alone.

The problem is, they ARE harming others by doing that. The majority of customers are married, therefore they are harming their wives and children by catering to their penis above all else. The single men who go to prostitutes ARE harming the prostitutes by enabling them to stay in that psychologically destructive business, which puts their life and health at risk, and they are feeding a business which trafficks women and children and is hurting them.

[fortyninethousand322]

The problem is, they ARE harming others by doing that. The majority of customers are married, therefore they are harming their wives and children by catering to their penis above all else. The single men who go to prostitutes ARE harming the prostitutes by enabling them to stay in that psychologically destructive business, which puts their life and health at risk, and they are feeding a business which trafficks women and children and is hurting them.

 

If they're married, isn't that between them and their wives not other people? If they're not married and you're concerned about the prostitutes, aren't there ways to help the prostitutes without sending anyone to jail?

 

I just don't think the health of marriage is the government's business.

[KathyM]

What you choose to disregard in your angry female bitterness, is that you, no matter how fat and disgusting you get, can get sex without problem. It's not important to you because it comes to you so easy. You could be a hairy, midget, amputee, and somebody would have sex with you. This is not the case for men who may be a little unfortunate in the looks department, particularly if they lack confidence, and how do you gain confidence when you never have success? Hookers that's how. Everyone desires human contact, and sex in one form or another. Try having some compassion instead of being so bitter and spiteful. God forbid some lonely chump gets his rocks off. You are why men go to Thailand.

I'm not angry and not bitter--just disappointed in what some people do for money that is harmful to others. What good is that so called confidence going to get you anyway? You'll still be lacking in whatever issues are causing you to be rejected by women. Going to a hooker is not going to attract women to you. And paying someone to pretend to like you and have sex with you is not going to give you confidence--quite the opposite, in fact. But as I said, most customers are married. These issues are not what is going on with them. I'm having compassion for the victims of infidelity, and for the women and children who are trafficked and forced into prostitution, and for the prostitutes themselves who are being psychologically damaged from this lifestyle, as well as abused at the hands of you dickheads.

[KathyM]

If they're married, isn't that between them and their wives not other people? If they're not married and you're concerned about the prostitutes, aren't there ways to help the prostitutes without sending anyone to jail?

 

I just don't think the health of marriage is the government's business.

There are three parties in an infidelity triangle, dear boy. The cheater, the enabler, and the betrayed spouse. The third party (enabler) has some culpability in this, since she is knowingly enabling the man to cheat on his wife.

 

It's the government's business to enforce the laws, and the laws are meant to protect society. Threat of punishment is a strong deterrant, and without those laws, the demand would increase, and the supply would increase through the trafficking of women and children.

[Nicomis]

The problem is, they ARE harming others by doing that. The majority of customers are married, therefore they are harming their wives and children by catering to their penis above all else. The single men who go to prostitutes ARE harming the prostitutes by enabling them to stay in that psychologically destructive business, which puts their life and health at risk, and they are feeding a business which trafficks women and children and is hurting them.

 

What about the FACT (something your post lacks) that females cheat more than men. So banging some random guy at a bar, let him shoot all up inside you, and come home to your hubby. 'If you look at the studies into paternity, even conservative figures show that between eight and 15 per cent of children haven't been fathered by the man who thinks he's the biological parent.So who is hurting who?

[KathyM]

What about the FACT (something your post lacks) that females cheat more than men. So banging some random guy at a bar, let him shoot all up inside you, and come home to your hubby. 'If you look at the studies into paternity, even conservative figures show that between eight and 15 per cent of children haven't been fathered by the man who thinks he's the biological parent.So who is hurting who?

Actually, studies show that husbands cheat on their wives more than wives cheat on their husbands. I'm not condoning or excusing any form of infidelity--it is all harmful and selfish. But since this thread is focusing on prostitution alone, I'll call it out for what it is--the primary job description is helping married men to cheat on their wives.

[Nicomis]

Actually, studies show that husbands cheat on their wives more than wives cheat on their husbands. I'm not condoning or excusing any form of infidelity--it is all harmful and selfish. But since this thread is focusing on prostitution alone, I'll call it out for what it is--the primary job description is helping married men to cheat on their wives.

Actually NO THEY DON'T. GOOGLE IT! If husbands cheat, it's on the husband, not the hooker. It is insane logic that says a single man should be denied his needs because some married dude can't keep his dick in his pants. A mans sexual situation is different than a woman's. What do you suggest that these unattractive, cast-off, men, that no woman will sleep with, do for sex? Just do without? Become a rapist? Become a molester? Without some form of healthy release that is what happens. Seriously I know the thought of any man ever being happy pains you to no end, but come on. Prostitution will never, ever go away, and anyone who opposes it is just stupid. Why not keep your hubby happy so he won't cheat on you with hookers? God forbid that!

[123321]

Prostitutes enable men to cheat on their wives.

 

Incorrect, men (and women) are perfectly capable of cheating without the services of a prostitute, perhaps the word you are looking for is something more like "facilitate".

 

 

That's what studies show--most are married.

 

First, never saw a citation, second, the result of any such study would have to be corrected for the characteristics of the population, third, it doesn't matter it's not the job of a person outside the marriage to enforce the vows and finally irrelevant because it's a question of a persons right to control their own body.

 

 

Nothing is more detrimental to marriages and families than infidelity.

 

I disagree, most infidelity is a symptom of a sick relationship, not the root cause.

 

 

..... at the hands of you dickheads.

 

No, clearly not an ounce of anger there at all.

 

 

Actually, studies show that husbands cheat on their wives more than wives cheat on their husbands.

 

Look into "misattributed paternity" for a few good giggles.

[KathyM]

Actually NO THEY DON'T. GOOGLE IT! If husbands cheat, it's on the husband, not the hooker. It is insane logic that says a single man should be denied his needs because some married dude can't keep his dick in his pants. A mans sexual situation is different than a woman's. What do you suggest that these unattractive, cast-off, men, that no woman will sleep with, do for sex? Just do without? Become a rapist? Become a molester? Without some form of healthy release that is what happens. Seriously I know the thought of any man ever being happy pains you to no end, but come on. Prostitution will never, ever go away, and anyone who opposes it is just stupid. Why not keep your hubby happy so he won't cheat on you with hookers? God forbid that!

I googled it, and tried to get an empiricle study posted on here, but it wouldn't link, and I couldn't copy and paste it. It showed husbands have a higher rate of infidelity than wives. A few studies show that they are about equal, but most show men commit adultery more than women. That really doesn't change anything I've said on here. I'm not condoning any form of infidelity, no matter who is involved, and I'm not giving professional enablers any more heat about it than non-professional enablers.

 

Most rapists rape because of issues of power and control and the need to commit violence against women because of a psychological disorder that they have. It's not normal men who are just interested in having sex. Of course, some rapists do go to prostitutes to enact their violence and control. Another reason why women shouldn't be in this so-called profession.

[FredRutherford]

Originally Posted by KathyM

The problem is, they ARE harming others by doing that. The majority of customers are married, therefore they are harming their wives and children by catering to their penis above all else. The single men who go to prostitutes ARE harming the prostitutes by enabling them to stay in that psychologically destructive business, which puts their life and health at risk, and they are feeding a business which trafficks women and children and is hurting them.

What about the FACT (something your post lacks) that females cheat more than men. So banging some random guy at a bar, let him shoot all up inside you, and come home to your hubby. 'If you look at the studies into paternity, even conservative figures show that between eight and 15 per cent of children haven't been fathered by the man who thinks he's the biological parent.So who is hurting who?

Even if that's true (it's likely not, as KathyM debunked), so what?

 

Men commit rape and more violent acts against their female partners in greater numbers. Doesn't necessarily mean anything either.

[fortyninethousand322]

There are three parties in an infidelity triangle, dear boy. The cheater, the enabler, and the betrayed spouse. The third party (enabler) has some culpability in this, since she is knowingly enabling the man to cheat on his wife.

 

It's the government's business to enforce the laws, and the laws are meant to protect society. Threat of punishment is a strong deterrant, and without those laws, the demand would increase, and the supply would increase through the trafficking of women and children.

 

So without laws against prostitution, men would wantonly walk the streets seeking their next fix of bought sex?

 

If the wife feels wronged by her husband for cheating (with or without a prostitute) she should just get a divorce. It's a lot easier.

 

Laws don't protect society, they just codify legal consequences for violating another person's rights. You don't have a right to a faithful husband. Your husband can choose to be faithful, but that's his decision.

[KathyM]

Incorrect, men (and women) are perfectly capable of cheating without the services of a prostitute, perhaps the word you are looking for is something more like "facilitate".

 

Facilitator/enabler--same thing.

 

 

 

 

First, never saw a citation, second, the result of any such study would have to be corrected for the characteristics of the population, third, it doesn't matter it's not the job of a person outside the marriage to enforce the vows and finally irrelevant because it's a question of a persons right to control their own body.

 

So you think a person should have a right to do whatever they want with their own body, no matter who it hurts in the process. You could use that same logic to say that a thief has a right to use his own body to steel from others. An accomplis has a right to use his own body to drive the getaway car. Same logic.

 

 

 

 

I disagree, most infidelity is a symptom of a sick relationship, not the root cause.

 

Some men would claim that they have a great marriage, but they just need something else on the side. Many men don't even consider sex with a hooker to be infidelity, since it doesn't involve emotions. But I would definately agree with you that the marriage is sick if the husband therein is going to hookers, and unfortunately, he is not inclined to work on the problems in his marriage, since he has chosen to avail himself of hookers instead of working on his marriage.

 

 

 

 

No, clearly not an ounce of anger there at all.

 

I'm actually in a good mood when typing all this, but just stating my opinion on the topic.

 

 

 

 

Look into "misattributed paternity" for a few good giggles.

 

Like I said, I'm not condoning any form of infidelity, whether it be from a husband or a wife, and I am not letting either a non-professional enabler or a professional enabler off the hook either.

[KathyM]

So without laws against prostitution, men would wantonly walk the streets seeking their next fix of bought sex?

 

If the wife feels wronged by her husband for cheating (with or without a prostitute) she should just get a divorce. It's a lot easier.

 

Laws don't protect society, they just codify legal consequences for violating another person's rights. You don't have a right to a faithful husband. Your husband can choose to be faithful, but that's his decision.

Statistics show that when prostitution is legalized, the demand goes up, and the supply goes up, and the rate of human trafficking goes up to that country in order to provide for the increased demand.

 

Laws deter crime, thereby protecting society from it.

 

Actually I do have a right to a faithful husband, since that is what was promised to me.

[Nicomis]

I googled it, and tried to get an empiricle study posted on here, but it wouldn't link, and I couldn't copy and paste it. It showed husbands have a higher rate of infidelity than wives. A few studies show that they are about equal, but most show men commit adultery more than women. That really doesn't change anything I've said on here. I'm not condoning any form of infidelity, no matter who is involved, and I'm not giving professional enablers any more heat about it than non-professional enablers.

 

Most rapists rape because of issues of power and control and the need to commit violence against women because of a psychological disorder that they have. It's not normal men who are just interested in having sex. Of course, some rapists do go to prostitutes to enact their violence and control. Another reason why women shouldn't be in this so-called profession.

Rape is not about issues of power. This is a feminist myth.

" If a rapist’s goal was other than sex, such as a desire to inflict violence upon his victim, why do most rapists not inflict high degrees of physical injuries on their victims? They certainly have the opportunity to do so. In 1991, Lee Ellis of Minot State University reported that studies of “date” rapists clearly demonstrate that these men try many tactics first (i.e., encouraging intoxication, professing love, verbally pressuring) before they resort to physically coercive tactics. Based on these particular facts it must be concluded that, at least for “date” rapists, a desire to have sex is the motivating factor, and only after exhausting less coercive tactics did these rapists resort to physical domination." Men want to be happy, and have sex with a willing partner, and rape is one result of denying them that opportunity. I'm not justifying it, only offering that allowing men to purchase the sex they are not getting lessens the occurrence of rape. Why begrudge them happiness? How miserable are you?

[Nicomis]

I googled it, and tried to get an empiricle study posted on here, but it wouldn't link, and I couldn't copy and paste it. It showed husbands have a higher rate of infidelity than wives. A few studies show that they are about equal, but most show men commit adultery more than women. That really doesn't change anything I've said on here. I'm not condoning any form of infidelity, no matter who is involved, and I'm not giving professional enablers any more heat about it than non-professional enablers.

 

Most rapists rape because of issues of power and control and the need to commit violence against women because of a psychological disorder that they have. It's not normal men who are just interested in having sex. Of course, some rapists do go to prostitutes to enact their violence and control. Another reason why women shouldn't be in this so-called profession.

He promised you, so that's on him. Nobody else but him.

 

Statistics show that when prostitution is legalized, the demand goes up, and the supply goes up, and the rate of human trafficking goes up to that country in order to provide for the increased demand.

 

Laws deter crime, thereby protecting society from it.

 

Actually I do have a right to a faithful husband, since that is what was promised to me.

[123321]

Like I said, I'm not condoning any form of infidelity, whether it be from a husband or a wife, and I am not letting either a non-professional enabler or a professional enabler off the hook either.

 

If something is disabled, it cannot happen. If something is not facilitated, it's potentially more difficult. Do you really want to contend that without prostitutes there would be no adultery, or would you like to start using the right word(s)?

 

 

Actually I do have a right to a faithful husband, since that is what was promised to me.

 

No, you don't. You have the right to pursue happiness by seeking a guy who will keep his promises to you but you don't have a right to find him, marry him, or "have him" in any other way. You don't have the right to force him to be faithful. You don't have the right to force other women to stay away from him in their individual pursuit(s) of happiness.

 

To promote proscription of prostitution on the reasoning that it facilitates adultery would be the same as proscribing all forms of fornication on the same grounds, which is a bridge to crazyville I don't think many people are willing to cross with you.

[Mme. Chaucer]

Do you really want to contend that without prostitutes there would be no adultery, or would you like to start using the right word(s)?

 

She's already been upfront with the fact that she has no interest in using words according to their correct definitions. To quote: "You use your terminology, I'll use mine."

[123321]

She's already been upfront with the fact that she has no interest in using words according to their correct definitions. To quote: "You use your terminology, I'll use mine."

 

Sputnik encephalitis grobnem swartz, liliput quaggen morg, and see if I don't!

 

 

(Communication is smoother if we all agree on a shared dictionary)

[KathyM]

Rape is not about issues of power. This is a feminist myth.

" If a rapist’s goal was other than sex, such as a desire to inflict violence upon his victim, why do most rapists not inflict high degrees of physical injuries on their victims? They certainly have the opportunity to do so. In 1991, Lee Ellis of Minot State University reported that studies of “date” rapists clearly demonstrate that these men try many tactics first (i.e., encouraging intoxication, professing love, verbally pressuring) before they resort to physically coercive tactics. Based on these particular facts it must be concluded that, at least for “date” rapists, a desire to have sex is the motivating factor, and only after exhausting less coercive tactics did these rapists resort to physical domination." Men want to be happy, and have sex with a willing partner, and rape is one result of denying them that opportunity. I'm not justifying it, only offering that allowing men to purchase the sex they are not getting lessens the occurrence of rape. Why begrudge them happiness? How miserable are you?

The majority of rape (75%) is perpetrated by someone known to the woman. I highly doubt that figure is going to change because there are prostitutes available. But that is debateable. Here are some publicized arguments/findings that demonstrate that rape figures will not go down if prostitution is legalized:

 

Coalition Against Trafficking in Women (CATW) Australia branch posted on their website "Frequently Asked Questions About Prostitution" (accessed Mar. 8, 2007) that stated:

"...

n cases of gang rape by sportsmen in Australia in 2004, it has become clear that the use of prostituted women and strip clubs is integral to the womanhating and male bonding which led to the sexual violence. The argument also suggests that women who are not prostituted are safer because some other women are set aside to be commercially raped on their behalf. Women's equality requires that all women should be free from sexual exploitation. Prostitution cannot eliminate rape when it is itself bought rape. The connection between rape and prostitution is that women are turned into objects for men's sexual use; they can be either bought or stolen. A culture in which women can be bought for use is one in which rape flourishes[.]"

 

Mar. 8, 2007 -

Coalition Against Trafficking in Women (CATW)

Safer Society Foundation, Inc. (then known as Prison Research Education Action Project), in the 1976 Instead of Prisons: A Handbook for Abolitionists, wrote:

"Three cities which allowed open prostitution experienced a decline in rape after prostitution was again prohibited. Rapists include men who do not patronize prostitutes. Rapists include men who have 'girlfriends,' or are married, or living with women. Statistical studies of reported rapes show that the majority of rapists are well below the age of males who most frequently use prostitutes. Finally, in Vietnam, brothels for the American military were officially sanctioned and incorporated into the base-camp recreation areas and yet G.I. rape and sexual abuse of Vietnamese women and girls is one of the most atrocious chapters of violence in U.S. history."

 

1976 -

Safer Society Foundation Inc.

Melissa Farley, PhD, Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, in the Oct. 2004 journal Violence Against Women article "Bad for the Body, Bad for the Heart," wrote:

"Legal sex businesses provide locations where sexual harassment, sexual exploitation, and violence against women are perpetrated with impunity. State-sponsored prostitution endangers all women and children in that acts of sexual predation are normalized..."

 

Edited July 8, 2012 by a LoveShack.org Moderator