Tiera D Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 There is a saying in chinese that translate to "Karma exist,its not that it wont happen,its just because it is not the time yet" besides karma doesnt necessary happen to the bad person,sometimes it bites on his/her decendents. To Thierro no one can know karma exist or not until the last moment in his life,but believe it or not is up to you,its almost the same question as believing in god or not TD Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) "If someone acts deliberately that is Karma. Deliberate action. once they achieve or obtain the result, they react to that, and so on. The skill lies in manufacturing a positive reaction to the stimulus. " So why bother calling it karma? I always re-read your posts, Tara, but it's not always easy to understand what you are getting at. i call it karma, because that's what it's always been called. It was called karma long before people started saying "What goes around comes around" or "As you sow, thus shall you reap". The term 'Karma' pre-dates our civilisation as we know it. It pre-dates Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and yes, even Oprah Winfrey too. My main objective in this discussion, was to respond both to the OP, and to the comment January2011 made in her immediate response to that. And as you can see from Tiera D's post, above mine, no matter how much I try to outline it, in succinct, easy-to-digest bites, people still don't get it. Tiera D also is unaware of the origin of the word, and it's deeper implications. Karma is actually a lot more complex in its workings than simply "Action" and "Consequence". But this isn't the time or the place. Edited June 14, 2012 by TaraMaiden Link to post Share on other sites
lovinglife21 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 For me, life is a bunch of experiences and we learn as we go. I'm sure at some point we have all done things we aren't proud of and hurt people in the process, and at some point it's been done to us. 'What comes around goes around' Yes it's easy to think that way when you've been hurt- but the fact of the matter is that people hurt each other, and it's only through experiencing both sides of it that we can learn to not make the same mistakes again, and be truly happy. Is this Karma? No- it's life. xx Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 For me, life is a bunch of experiences and we learn as we go.... .... it's only through experiencing both sides of it that we can learn to not make the same mistakes again, and be truly happy. Is this Karma? No- it's life. xx A Life in 5 chapters I walk down the street. There is a hole. I don't see it. I fall in. It isn't my fault. It takes a very long time to get out. I walk down the same street. There is still a deep hole. I pretend not to see it. I fall in. I pretend it's still not my fault. It takes a long time to get out. I walk down the same street. There is still the same deep hole. I see it. I fall in anyway. It's a habit. I get out quicker this time. I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole. I see it. I walk around it. I don't fall in. I walk down a different street. Portia Nelson. Link to post Share on other sites
Chi townD Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Thats not karma, thats schadenfreude. This is what you want OP, just like many other things, it is a belief, and exists only as a belief, like hope. In fact, its similar hope. As in, you hope your ex gets burned by someone like he/she burned you. People twist karma as a selfish way to hope something bad happens to someone without the misfortune being traced back to them. Pretty childish really. I don't think so. I never really took any satisfaction at what happened. I just felt that it was ironic that she's the one calling me a loser and never going anywhere and yet; in the end, I was the one that actually came out on top. In a weird way, I suppose I should thank her. Her cheating and being ugly actually gave me the movitation to prove her wrong and to prove to myself that I wasn't what she said I was. On her end, things just didn't work out the way she planned. I would have been fine if would have married a millionare. I had moved on to greater and better things. So, I wouldn't call it schadenfreude as much as it is ironic. Link to post Share on other sites
Mcnulty Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Schadenfreude exists...the human psyche sometimes will revel in another's misfortunes..that simple. Karma is like a form of religion, theories. People are a lot more familiar with the latter word and some view it as an idealism that exists. Instead of getting in way deep, why don't we go back to the first post...if he thinks it exists, he may take comfort from it, good luck to everyone who does. To me though, life is a series of events...that simple, some may be negative and happen to people who have wronged us, hence the popular saying, "karma will get them/has got them". 2 of my partners rebounded with guys from me...they both hurt me terribly...both are still with the rebounds...one 3 years later and one 8 months later...both very happy I hear...godd luck to them. Me...had the worst few months of my life, illness, death etc.....that's life's series of events. Link to post Share on other sites
Thierro Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole. I see it. I walk around it. I don't fall in. I walk down a different street. How I interpretate this part: Don't act upon your feelings. Don't let feelings make the decisions for you. Act appropriately by mirroring behavior that generates success. Think of all the great names in history that made it big: Gautama Buddha, Roosevelt, Gandhi, James freaking Bond: Apply the rules concerning natural selection. When you echo these personalities/trades, you will find happiness, you will find success. Add a bit of your own personality as you please. People act too much on the way they feel. I did this as well. Take my ex as an example. Doing the wrong things, because my feelings tell me differently. Like something spiritual is telling me that it’s ok. We all make the same mistake by reacting to our mind like there’s something supernatural in this world. We all want to believe that. We all hope for that. But faith, religion, hope are things that holds us back. I agree with a lot that Buddhism has to offer, because it offers a principle that’s close to the rules of life/evolutionary biology/natural selection. Yadda yadda yadda. Link to post Share on other sites
lovinglife21 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 I don't think so. I never really took any satisfaction at what happened. I just felt that it was ironic that she's the one calling me a loser and never going anywhere and yet; in the end, I was the one that actually came out on top. In a weird way, I suppose I should thank her. Her cheating and being ugly actually gave me the movitation to prove her wrong and to prove to myself that I wasn't what she said I was. On her end, things just didn't work out the way she planned. I would have been fine if would have married a millionare. I had moved on to greater and better things. So, I wouldn't call it schadenfreude as much as it is ironic. But can't you see that your perception of coming out on top may be different to hers? The way she planned may not have worked out- but that was at one point/ place in time, and her perception of what she wanted has probably changed. I guess I just don't really understand what it is you are getting from basically still caring how her life turns out/ and why you feel you need to be 'better' than her in some way. I also find it kind of odd that you feel the need to see your wife as 'better' as well. To be honest it sounds like you are still bitter. xx Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Oh I agree there... there's a lot of yadda.... Buddhism offers simplicity. Really, it does. A lot of people try to 'yadda' it up - many Buddhists included - but really, it's simple: The simple thing is, we should all be 100% responsible for our thoughts, words and deeds, and further, it helps to Drop All Expectations. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Thierro Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Buddhism offers simplicity. Really, it does. A lot of people try to 'yadda' it up - many Buddhists included - but really, it's simple: The simple thing is, we should all be 100% responsible for our thoughts, words and deeds, and further, it helps to Drop All Expectations. Yes, I agree. Link to post Share on other sites
Tiera D Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Still unable to understand but il look it up .Thx tara for your lecture although im still ignorant about its meaning TD Link to post Share on other sites
SciGuy Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The girl I had been seeing for six months was seeing her neighbor behind my back the whole time. I believe it was karma when he randomly picked her up one day at the same time I walked outside of a building. The situation was screaming "please go tell this guy what kind of a slutbag he's dating!" And of course I did just that... Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 SciGuy, your decision was Karma. her come-uppance was vipaka... You acted - she reaped the consequences. Tiera D It really is very simple: The word 'Karma' simply means, and translates to, "Action". that's its fundamental etymological meaning. The Process of Karma can either be ultra-simple, or endlessly complicated, but the bottom line is, as Lama surya Das puts it, that "You don't 'get away' with anything - and it all counts." 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sugarkane Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 SciGuy- How I envy you! When someone's screwed me over why has this never happened to me?! Instead they end up happily dating someone else. WTF? Chi Town- I hope your exes husband is constantly paranoid she'll cheat on him. Please tell me that is true! It should be. Does anyone else feel like a complete lack of karma at all? It always makes me want to do something about that. I am yet to see any of it. Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The only time you lack karma is when you're dead. and people forget, karma is not other people. Karma is you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sugarkane Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Thats the problem I've never had the opportunity to act out any karma after being lied to/ screwed over. Link to post Share on other sites
Tiera D Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 i know now thx Tara..its everything about us our actions TD Link to post Share on other sites
Author dustpull Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 Now my ex is happily in love with another guy, his old fling, his best friend. They have alot of things in common and they are happy together. We used to be so happy together. Funny thing is this guy my ex is dating had a fling with my ex when my ex was breaking up with his ex. So history repeats itself, and now they are dating. Oh and my ex broke up with his ex gf after 3-4 years basically told her that hes gay and he just left her broken hearted just like that, but now they are best friends. Wtf? Karma shalama i dont think it rly exists, guess its just 'life is unfair' -.- Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Thats the problem I've never had the opportunity to act out any karma after being lied to/ screwed over. sweetheart, you still aren't getting it. your writing here, is your karma. It's what you do, as a consequence to external stimulus; that is the karma you create for yourself.... the trouble is, the karma you create for yourself, takes you down routes of your choice.... and these routes have a consequence. Now my ex is happily in love with another guy, his old fling, his best friend. They have alot of things in common and they are happy together. We used to be so happy together. Funny thing is this guy my ex is dating had a fling with my ex when my ex was breaking up with his ex. So history repeats itself, and now they are dating. Oh and my ex broke up with his ex gf after 3-4 years basically told her that hes gay and he just left her broken hearted just like that, but now they are best friends. Wtf? Karma shalama i dont think it rly exists, guess its just 'life is unfair' -.- "Denial ain't a river in Egypt honey." Whether you believe in it or not, you're living it. How do you choose to live it, is the big question..........? Link to post Share on other sites
Author dustpull Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 sweetheart, you still aren't getting it. your writing here, is your karma. It's what you do, as a consequence to external stimulus; that is the karma you create for yourself.... the trouble is, the karma you create for yourself, takes you down routes of your choice.... and these routes have a consequence. "Denial ain't a river in Egypt honey." Whether you believe in it or not, you're living it. How do you choose to live it, is the big question..........? Explain to me how he's living happily still and jumped into a relationship and 'fell' in love again. He broke 3 people's hearts already. Sigh Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Explain to me how he's living happily still and jumped into a relationship and 'fell' in love again. He broke 3 people's hearts already. Sigh OK, try to follow me for a moment.... What- he's - doing - doesn't - matter. What matters is your perception of what's happening, because what you are perceiving and observing, is making you reach a specific conclusion. That conclusion is leading you to appraise the situation in your mind (Karmic thinking). Your thinking is what is affecting your mood, and making you miserable so the result (Vipaka) of Karmic thinking is leading you to feel despondent, resentful and depressed. Your thought process is your karma. your despondency, resentment and attachment to this depressing mind-set, is the result. To change your mind-set, change your opinion, perception and thinking. It's never about anybody else's Karma/vipaka. It's always, but always - about your own. Link to post Share on other sites
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