I Can't Run, Strength Training for Fat Burning?

[Titanwolf]

^^ I could have easily referenced a few studies that completely negates everything you've said, but I didn't because I knew you'd do exactly what you just did, get a study yourself to prove your theory. We'd go back and forth endlessly without progression, so I'll continue training my clients as I do, with remarkable results and you continue doing what you do.

[tman666]

Boom headshot.

 

Like I said do your research, read the page completely, you will find links to books that explain it further.

 

Educate yourself.

 

"Until very recently everyone believed that calories were calories were calories, and the notion that there could be “good for us calories” and “bad for us calories” was considered absolute nonsense. But the belief that all calories are the same has been called into question as the increasing incidences of cancer, heart disease, and acquired diabetes are reaching epidemic proportions in a society that is increasingly following the “healthy” guidelines to reduce fat intake, reduce meat consumption, and eat more fat-free carbohydrate grain and starch. Some argue that it's not that we're getting sicker, it's that we're living longer—but children are becoming overweight, obese, and diabetic."

 

"This means completely removing, to the greatest degree practical and possible, all high-starch and low-cellulose products of modern agriculture. No bread, cookies, crackers, chips, cake, pretzels, sugary drinks, potatoes of any kind, and so on."

 

I'm not going to get into the low-carb/calories in vs. calories out debate, but I will point out that the "research" you linked to is anything but. Not only are there no sources cited for any of the postulations that this guy makes, but the information you presented is from "Gibson Research Corporation", which appears to be a one-man show from some guy named Steve Gibson. If you take the time to check out Steve's resume (posted on his website), you may notice that he possesses no credentials within (or even in the same ball-park) the field of nutrition that he so confidently expresses his opinion about.

 

If you're going to post research to support your viewpoint, you'll gain a lot more traction by posting situation applicable, peer reviewed work that follows the scientific method.

 

(You're Steve Gibson, right?)

[Desinova]

As it was linked on the page, if you want to read more get this book:

 

“The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living” – An expert guide to making the life-saving benefits of carbohydrate restriction sustainable and enjoyable.

 

The authors of the book are very accomplished.

 

When I first realized that something called "ketosis" was happening to me, I went searching for the ultimate guide to nutritional ketosis and found this book. Check out the “About the Authors” page on their Art and Science of Low Carb web site and you'll get some sense for why THIS was the book I needed (and you may want). Professors with multiple masters and doctorates in exercise physiology, nutrition and medicine (from Stanford), nutritional biochemistry (from MIT) and post doctoral work at Harvard. And published more than 220 peer-reviewed studies and papers in the last ten years. These guys ARE Low-Carb Science, and the fact that they know what they're talking about is clear from their book.

 

The page I linked to summarizes the information in an easily digestible form.. If you want to go deeper, you can follow the links on this page and get the books.

Edited June 25, 2012 by Desinova

[tman666]

As it was linked on the page, if you want to read more get this book:

 

“The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living” – An expert guide to making the life-saving benefits of carbohydrate restriction sustainable and enjoyable.

 

The authors of the book are very accomplished.

 

When I first realized that something called "ketosis" was happening to me, I went searching for the ultimate guide to nutritional ketosis and found this book. Check out the “About the Authors” page on their Art and Science of Low Carb web site and you'll get some sense for why THIS was the book I needed (and you may want). Professors with multiple masters and doctorates in exercise physiology, nutrition and medicine (from Stanford), nutritional biochemistry (from MIT) and post doctoral work at Harvard. And published more than 220 peer-reviewed studies and papers in the last ten years. These guys ARE Low-Carb Science, and the fact that they know what they're talking about is clear from their book.

 

The page I linked to summarizes the information in an easily digestible form.. If you want to go deeper, you can follow the links on this page and get the books.

 

Whatever you say, Steve.

 

lulz

[Desinova]

Whatever you say, Steve.

 

lulz

 

Awww too much work to read?

[tman666]

Awww too much work to read?

 

You're committing the logical fallacy of appealing to authority. Someone's credentials do not prove anything in and of itself.

 

Again, I'm not going to debate you on your viewpoint, as you're entitled to it. However, if you're going to spin your opinion as "fact" because "Dr. Whogivesa**** went to Yale and Harvard and MIT and Standford and OMG he's also a wizard ninja", you clearly need to re-visit how to delineate fact, theory, anecdotal evidence, and opinion.

[Desinova]

You asked for links to peer reviewed studies. That isn't the purpose of the page I linked. The purpose of that page is summarize information into an easy to read format for the average person.

 

If you want to read about the research and science behind this, get the book. The authors of the book have published numerous peer reviewed papers which is the basis for the advice they give.

 

Lets dismiss what educated accomplished researches say and instead follow the advice of anonymous posters on LS.

[Titanwolf]

You asked for links to peer reviewed studies. That isn't the purpose of the page I linked. The purpose of that page is summarize information into an easy to read format for the average person.

 

If you want to read about the research and science behind this, get the book. The authors of the book have published numerous peer reviewed papers which is the basis for the advice they give.

 

Lets dismiss what educated accomplished researches say and instead follow the advice of anonymous posters on LS.

 

 

"There's a great deal of controversy about which diet is best for long-term weight loss. High-fat? Low-fat? No carbs? Some carbs? Though there have been studies done on all sorts of diets, the results are contradictory at best (and the research not very well designed at worst). Often, these studies are done for short periods of time (six months or less), don't include a good mix of men and women, or just don't have many participants, period.

 

Researchers at Harvard University in Boston, Massachusetts partnered with researchers at Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge, Louisiana to conduct a study (N Engl J Med 2009; 360:859-73) that they hoped would overcome all of those barriers to quality research--and maybe even answer the question of what combination of protein, fat and carbohydrates would be best for long-term weight loss.

 

They began by recruiting 645 overweight men and women to participate in a two-year weight-loss program. Each person was then randomly assigned to one of four diets:

 

• Low-fat, average-protein (20 percent fat, 15 percent protein, 65 percent carbohydrates)

• Low-fat, high-protein (20 percent fat, 25 percent protein, 55 percent carbohydrates)

• High-fat, average-protein (40 percent fat, 15 percent protein, 45 percent carbohydrates)

• High-fat, high-protein (40 percent fat, 25 percent protein, 35 percent carbohydrates)

 

All of the diets were healthy diets, in that they included less than 8 percent of calories from saturated fat and at least 20g of fiber per day. They were also low in dietary cholesterol, and the participants were taught to choose carbohydrates with a low glycemic index, regardless of how many carbs they were to eat.

 

Each person exercised moderately for about 90 minutes per week, and participated in group and individual support sessions for the duration of the study. They received daily, individually customized meal plans in two-week blocks that aimed for a 750-calorie deficit in their daily caloric intake. They also tracked their food intake via an online food and exercise journal.

 

The researchers tracked the participants' weight loss regularly for the two years. They found, simply, that in the first six months, all of the subjects lost about the same amount of weight, regardless of the dietary combination they were assigned to. They also regained about the same amount of weight after the first year of the diets. All told, however, about 1/3 of all who participated lost at least 5 percent of their body weight and kept it off throughout the study.

 

It seems clear that, to lose weight, it doesn't matter so much what kinds of food you stress, as long as you follow a healthy diet and reduce the number of calories you take in each day. So why not enjoy what you eat and lose weight? The Quality Calorie Diet can help you do just that.

 

Timothy S. Harlan, M.D"

 

 

Those who were on a high-carb diet (65%) lost weight, equivalent to those on a low-carb diet, same deficit. They chose whole foods for satiety but other than that, it could have been High-GI, low GI, whatever. In fact, this whole GI thing is flawed, because people refuse to look at the big picture and see that it's the content of the entire meal that counts. Meaning that I can have those slices of white bread and not have to worry about my insulin spiking because I'm eating it with peanut butter. There was a man on a forum I visit, who was getting half his daily calories from Ben&Jerry's ice cream (

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=137267153&page=1) and he has a superior physique to the VAST majority of the population.

 

I am not giving advice based on my own research, I'm giving advice based on the numerous research of others, basically the exact same thing you're doing. Like I said, I give up trying to reason. When I obtain my PHD in nutrition, maybe I'll conduct another study of my own to prove that ultimately, it's calories in vs calories out.

 

 

Edited June 26, 2012 by Titanwolf