TheFinalWord Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 (edited) Breathtaking response. I particularly enjoyed the way you precisely highlighted all my errors and provided a well-researched, incisive rebuttal to each one. I shall now return to my village in shame. It's not worth it b/c you've already made a bunch of assumptions about me that aren't true. For one, I publish scientific research. I have a repository of publications in PubMed. I also publish academic books. So, I know something about science. You make it sound like as a Christian I can't comprehend science, which is laughable considering I make my livelihood with it. The way you attempt to represent me as a Christian is misinformed. To be honest, I don't think "debating" you is worth my time b/c you aren't open to the "self-correction" you espouse; instead you just want to mock and insult. I stand by my original post, you're misinformed and uneducated about Christianity and science. Edited July 8, 2012 by TheFinalWord 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I am not aware of making any assumptions about you at all. In this thread I haven't even addressed you. "In this context, because theists generally build their worldview around" Okay, well maybe there is just miscommunication. Here is the way I see it, when you say "theists" that tends to lump all of us that believe in God together. That would include me, I'm part of that group. It's like saying "blacks", "whites", whatever culture you want to pick, stereotyping them, and then saying "I didn't directly say you". No, but when you make statements about a group, people take it personally. Sorry, that's just the way society works. Please point out where I made any assumptions about you, because I'm pretty sure I haven't, and this is just a petulant ragequit on your part. Because they believe their Bible is unchanging and inerrant, therefore so must science textbooks. Assumption. Invalid. I know that's not true, b/c the companies pay to write updated editions! They treat anything short of absolute certainty with making things up, and regard science's greatest strength (self-correction) as though it were a weakness. Assumption. Invalid. I live by this principle! It's just a case of taking a worldview that is completely alien to them, and massaging it to fit their existing framework. They take certain objects and place them into the best fit equivalent. Assumption. Invalid. So now you know one theist, that doesn't adhere to these stereotypes. I hope it helped! I don't have anything against you and don't feel like carrying on this convo in the thread either. Sorry for any misunderstanding! Have a good day. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Yes, on second reading you appear to have paid a little more attention to the words I used. Now you're backpedalling but still trying to hang onto some of your original indignancy. No honestly I was just trying to smooth things over. No hidden agenda. Just to agree to disagree. I really am not (or was ever) mad and I apologize if it came across that way. I assure you I have quite a boiling point for anger; a lot of times I am actually too chill. I really don't care to argue on the Internet. I consider the Internet a form of entertainment, not a source of stress. So, if you say I misinterpreted your intention, then okay I accept that. I interpreted it that way, but I have no reason to think you are being dishonest. Please accept my apology Link to post Share on other sites
thatone Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 In my opinion therapy/counseling/psychiatrists/psychologists can be considered as false gods. Or people with whom too much importance is placed. Also, I think we can still hear from God, whether a believer or not. However looking toward false gods/idols, can hinder us from hearing from God. which is why there are tens of millions of homless/hungry people on the street, because idiots like ronald reagan preached the above and got people to believe it, when it was actually just a ruse to try to funnel tax dollars to religious organizations. mental illness is just that, an illness. religion doesn't heal anyone. Link to post Share on other sites
BetheButterfly Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I've used both I've used psychotherapy on myself! haha I've also had God miraculously deliver me from serious drug addition instantly (long story). God can use both; miracles and man-made medicine. Luke was a physician. This was a good broadcast by Perry Stone. He had a mental health counselor that talked about mental health and how addictions affect the brain. Important stuff. As a church, we have not done a good job promoting physical or mental health. We should have these resources available to people! I'd love to read the story about how God delivered you!!! It is interesting to me. I have never taken illegal drugs or smoked, but am curious of the stories of people who have and who no longer do so. Could you write a thread on your experience please??? Thanks! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
HisGraceisSufficient Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 “Genuine self-acceptance is not derived from the power of positive thinking, mind games or pop psychology. IT IS AN ACT OF FAITH in the God of grace.” ― Brennan Manning Psychology, counseling, therapy are useful tools to support one's method of steady progress but Healing comes from the Creator, not from the created. God is our Healer, our Savior and we all too often fall short of progress without His great Grace and REDEEMING and CLEANSING LOVE. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Radu Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 In my opinion therapy/counseling/psychiatrists/psychologists can be considered as false gods. Or people with whom too much importance is placed. Also, I think we can still hear from God, whether a believer or not. However looking toward false gods/idols, can hinder us from hearing from God. Politicians and atheletes fall better into that cathegory. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
soccerrprp Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Politicians and atheletes fall better into that cathegory. And don't forget some pastors, priests and other church leaders! Link to post Share on other sites
soccerrprp Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 In my opinion therapy/counseling/psychiatrists/psychologists can be considered as false gods. Or people with whom too much importance is placed. Also, I think we can still hear from God, whether a believer or not. However looking toward false gods/idols, can hinder us from hearing from God. Therapy is helpful and should not be a Therapy vs. God thing. It helps a lot of people who live in the real world, seeking real-world answers and help and hoping for it when they need it and not when a deity decides it's the right time. The fact of the matter is that God, if you believe in one, seems to do things at a pace or arbitrary moment of decisiveness that often proves too late or inadequate to flawed human being's needs. I think it's dangerous to wait on God or gods to help you. Take control of your life when you need it. Link to post Share on other sites
Gracie22 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Anything can be an idol. But that is something we can only assess ourselves; it's not our job to judge others "idols" in thier life. You know, get the plank out of your own eye first.....? Link to post Share on other sites
Feelin Frisky Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 In my opinion therapy/counseling/psychiatrists/psychologists can be considered as false gods. Or people with whom too much importance is placed. Also, I think we can still hear from God, whether a believer or not. However looking toward false gods/idols, can hinder us from hearing from God. This is mental illness in denial--bad advice for anyone with a problem trying to get somehow sane. Link to post Share on other sites
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