He's on vacation with his kids

[rosieisblue]

This is so true, especially the bolded part. The only part that I disagree with is that this man isn't capable of bieng a responsible partner. I think people like this simply don't want to give up the time and energy it takes to be responsible, so they choose not to. It's much more fun to play phone texting on the cell phone and sneak away for secret meetings with their "play friends", than to sit down and help their child with homework, teach their child how to take responsibility for their actions, or help clean the house.

 

Why is it wrong for a divorced parent to text his new gf while he's with the kids? Does he have to spend every second focused on them? With no time to attend to his other relationships? What if he's with them for two or three days? He doesn't get to text or call someone he loves because the kids are there?

[rosieisblue]

This is absurd. Why should the mother of the grandchildren abdicate her 20 year relationships with his family for what could easily be the flavor of the month?

 

This isn't just "his" family anymore. When they married it became "their" family. They might be terminating their marriage, but that does not (in the majority of cases) mean that the abused party has to skink away and live jn some cave for the ow to have her glory shine at birthday parties!

 

Those nieces and nephews know her as their aunt. She will always be their aunt. You will at best be their "new aunt." and yes, his sisters probably knew what a tool he had to women before they got married. No one is shocked here I'm betting.

 

Even in my grandfathers case, his family (brothers and sisters and such) do the family reunions. My grandmother is always invited. So always has been. As well as Pearl who is another cast-off wife of a brother of his (there's 8 brothers and sisters, before they started dying anyways). My grandfather has been to a couple of these. He's NEVER brought the ow. He doesn't dare. And he's a narcissist. The ow doesn't really want to pop up either. It'd be uncomfortable. To tell the truth, I don't think they've ever met. My grandfather has been with her since the 70s.

 

The stigma is still there, granted I find it a little over-the-top but it is what it is. (on a completely unrelated note she gets very drunk and VERY shrieky, we had a "break room" at my aunt's house when she came to visit because her voice was echoing through people's heads. I've never experienced anything like it. Although it was amusing (in a detached way) to watch her with her shrieky voice and my grandfather completely hammered saying, "shut up A." he was so loaded though he could barely articulate it and she couldn't hear him anyways. I hope that those genes are recessive.)

 

I have NOT been flavor of the month. He loves me and he left her to be with me and has shown me how much he loves me. It's me who has the problem it's me who is scared about all of this, he's very sure that he wants me and our relationship.

 

I don't see how she can be at everything if I'm there. If I'm with him and she's moving on why does she need to maintain those close relationships? They're part of being an ex: you have to let some people go because of your ex. I have no plans to stay in touch very much with my bf's family, other than birthday wishes and things like that. She sees them regularly still and it makes it very difficult for everyone.

 

I don't know how to handle any of this so I'm ending it but I still think that the ex should gracefully bow out and leave it for the new partner. It's not easy but why would she want to continue those relationships anyway?

[rosieisblue]

Ditto. The expectation that all of a sudden the stbxW should just disappear (even before the divorce is final) and everyone welcome Rosie in, as though it were simply a matter of formally changing officers is nuts As you said, when you marry, especially for a while, you are part of the family. You and your mother in law and father in law often have the same last names, your kids are their blood. They have grown accustomed to you and this relationship does not simply evaporate upon divorce, worse yet, most families won't shun the BS so that they can have a welcome parade for the OW. She will always be a part of the family, especially because of the kids....

 

Maybe you should have a baby with him too Rosie to guarantee your role and maybe they'd be forced to embrace you then. (I am totally kidding).

 

Anyway MM is a packaged deal. Plain and simple. You signed up for a man with kids and a stbxW who may always be around and a family who may or may not come around. That's the deal. You take it or leave it Rosie. But wishing that the family will shun the BS and embrace you, wishing the stbxW will just get over it so you can be happy, wishing the kids will just like you etc are all only wishes...wishes with no basis in how people really respond and how things really work.

 

yes, he's a package deal but does that mean his ex gets to be completely part of the inlaws lives forever? Shouldn't she back off and back away and go on to form new relationships with whomever she ends up with? It's almost like she's hanging on to those relationships because she can't have the one with MM. I don't expect them to shun her but it would be nice if they backed away a bit and made room for a new person, which I don't think will be me. But whoever comes into the family should not have to deal with teh ex getting in the way of building new relationships.

 

And maybe the next one, who wasn't involved in the breakup of the family, will be accepted by teh kids. I don't know, I don't care. This whole thing is nuts and I love him but this is crazy.

[rosieisblue]

Rosie, I think you need to prepare yourself first and not do this on a knee jerk reaction because if you aren't ready you will fail. You will just go back and forth with him and that will only add fuel to the fire and you'll just be riding the crazy train that goes with that and it won't be good for you, you'll just get more confused. I suggest you consult an IC right now to help you sort this out, help you get strong to handle it and so you can be clear about why you are doing it.

 

No, I'm done. I love him but I am not going to sit around with his crazy wife getting in with his family more than ever, the kids hating me, the family being distant and weird, and all the stuff said on here. Is he really a serial cheater? I don't know but I'm not taking a chance. Enough is enough.

[rosieisblue]

Babes, sending nude pictures was not very grown up of you to do!! You have to be smarter than that!!!!!

 

You inserted yourself into their marriage by messing around with someone who already had a spouse. You can't moan and cry now...you chose this. Just like I did

 

She was never meant to see those pictures, obviously. I feel bad about it now but we were so into each other and I just wanted him to know how much I loved him and wanted him and wanted to know that he wanted me. And he did.

 

If I thought that the marriage was good I would have never gotten involved but he made it clear that it was over and broken long before he met me and I fell in love and did what I did. Not proud of it but I fell in love and he was so amazing to me. I've never felt that way in my life. He made me feel special and wanted and loved.

[Furious]

I'm seeing his neediness right now as a result of his world being ripped apart literally overnight when she threw him out. He went from his nice home with his kids around him to living in a one room apartment and having a suitcase of clothes for a month. Then she told him to get his stuff so he had all these trash bags. Then he moved to an even smaller place for a few months before his parents helped him buy a place, which is still pretty small and crappy but he's fixing it up.

 

He's quite alone, in a lot of ways. His two friends have lives so he sees them once a month or maybe twice, he sees his kids, he sees me and

sometimes his mother comes to town and sees him for dinner or

something. he's used to his family and all that he built so he's rebuildig

right now like crazy and probably needs me more than he would in normal circumstances.

 

Or am I justifying?

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This is what you said earlier. Now you're saying something else.

 

He did not leave his wife to be with you. She kicked him out garbage bags and all.

[norajane]

yes, he's a package deal but does that mean his ex gets to be completely part of the inlaws lives forever? Shouldn't she back off and back away and go on to form new relationships with whomever she ends up with? It's almost like she's hanging on to those relationships because she can't have the one with MM. I don't expect them to shun her but it would be nice if they backed away a bit and made room for a new person, which I don't think will be me. But whoever comes into the family should not have to deal with teh ex getting in the way of building new relationships.

 

Actually, it does mean that if that's what they all choose. Their children tie them together forever, including the in-laws if those relationships were strong. Even if they weren't strong, they will likely always be somewhat cordial because they are HER children's grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins.

 

She's not hanging onto these relationships because she can't have her cheating husband. She's maintaining the relationships she has forged over years with her husband's and her children's extended family. If they have always been friendly, she will be at family reunions, family weddings, birthdays.

 

It's not her job to clear out and disappear so that you can step into her shoes. You have to develop those family relationships all on your own over time, if you and they choose to be open to it.

 

This is how grown adults behave, particularly if they have the children's best interests in mind.

[carhill]

No, I'm done.

 

OK, after you meet with him in person when he returns to break up, update the thread and let us know how it went.

[MissBee]

Why is it wrong for a divorced parent to text his new gf while he's with the kids? Does he have to spend every second focused on them? With no time to attend to his other relationships? What if he's with them for two or three days? He doesn't get to text or call someone he loves because the kids are there?

 

Rosie...your MM is not some normal divorced guy, who didn't have an affair, whose kids know or like the new girlfriend. In that case, no one would be making a big deal about texts. I think you're leaving out vital facts here. The whole reason this is a problem is because of the entire affair situation. That's why they dislike you, that's why they dislike him texting you (you said that), and he must do it in a very conspicuous way for them to even notice and be upset that he does this when he's with them. Those reasons are why something is wrong. Unfortunately for you and MM, because things are so messy, things normal divorced people can do and no one cares, for you all it isn't kosher.

 

If I were a mom that cheated and my kids disliked my boyfriend and I was away with them on vacation, I would NOT be texting them while we're hanging out.hat a responsible parent, one who is interested in their kid's welfare does. Treading careful post-dday-divorc-kid-shyyt-storm is needed, but it seems your MM, as usual doesn't care on iota about that. I certainly wouldn't be texting them infront of my kids' faces, esp if those kids voiced their upset at that. I would feel bad enough for what I did to them and would make my time on vacay about them and not about texting my boyfriend. When my kids are safely tucked in and ASLEEP...then I'll dedicate some time to call my man. That's what a responsible parent, one who is interested in their kid's welfare does. Sending one text or two is okay but having a back and forth text marathon is probably what's more upsetting. Does he just text you a couple times or do you all carry on an entire texting conversation? I don't know about you...but even when friends do that while we're at dinner or are supposed to be hanging out it is frickin rude and annoying!

 

The kids need their dad to shower them with probably more attention than they would, were it not a divorce and were you not in the picture. Their world feels so unstable and any little thing now can be blown out of proportion...but that's his own fault. So no, he doesn't get the same texting privilege around the kids, and anyone texting constantly while hanging out with others is rude. He can text or call you at the end of the day when they're asleep.

[awkward]

Why is it wrong for a divorced parent to text his new gf while he's with the kids?

 

A) He is not divorced.

 

B) He just turned their world upside down. He shouldn't have a girlfriend right now - refer to A.

 

I don't see how she can be at everything if I'm there.

 

You won't be there. Due to the nature of your relationship, you will not be welcome. If he does take you, it will be awkward. You will feel uncomfortable.

 

Shouldn't she back off and back away and go on to form new relationships with whomever she ends up with?

 

A) She is not divorced. She should not be going on to form new relationships right now. She needs to be there for her kids because their world has just been turned upside down. That includes them being comfortable and doing normal things like visiting family. Her in-laws are still her and her kids family no matter who MM is with. If MM's wife was close to her sis-in-law then I bet they are providing her with emotional support because their brother is such a douche.

[rosieisblue]

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This is what you said earlier. Now you're saying something else.

 

He did not leave his wife to be with you. She kicked him out garbage bags and all.

 

She kicked him out with a suitcase after she realized he was in love with me. After she realized that he wasn't coming back (we took a weekend trip after me and my Bf broke up and she rang and figured it out-she thought we were over before that) she packed up all his stuff in bags and told him to get it within 24 hours.

 

But he was leaving, no doubt about it. He didn't love her anymore, that was clear.

[dreamingoftigers]

LOL..dreaming I've read your posts about your family and I wish I could meet them, they sound like such a good time...lol. I wouldn't want to be in your family, I just wanna hang out with them...roflmao...Seriously I love your stories about them.

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That's kind of how I feel about them. I like watching the show, but oftentimes it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and I wouldn't even leave my wallet down around some of them. It would be far more interesting not to be a part of the family but be on the outside looking in.

 

I think I've only few not even a handful of people that act anything even like any one of them outside if my family. It always floors me watching them in the same room together. You can see more oddity and dysfunctional behaviour in 2 hours than you can in most families over the course of 20 years.

 

 

I hope that if OP stays with MM that her family isn't as unaccepting or odd about such things, nor do I expect that that family would be like my family in that regard.

 

My point in bringing it up is showing that NOT ALL families will be accepting and that there isn't any hard and fast rule that a family will regard (or possibly even 'should') in the advent of a serial cheater or affair partner-turned relationship.

 

Also by bring up grandpa and A, I just mention that a lot of those feelings don't resolve overnight and CAN be multigenerational if the affected parties don't handle things particularly well.

 

In my grandfathers case, A was not discussed as being my grandfathers gf since the 70s. It was known that he left my grandmother for her. Etc etc etc and that it was not respectful at all.

 

Truth be told be grandfather was a serial cheat long before then. He even has seen fit to talk about that from time to time. (in fact my grandfather last time I saw him pulled me aside to advise me not to go back to Calgary for six weeks and leave my husband alone because that was too long to leave a man alone "to his own devices, and that's how he meets other women" unfortunately my husband ( although feigning offense) proved him right).

 

It also turned out that my grandmother grew sick of his behaviour and neediness so she turfed him in Bermuda. "it was too hot there

anyways.":laugh:

 

But still A is thought of as the OW. the straw the broke the camel's back. It isn't fair. But it is what it is.

[alexandria35]

I have NOT been flavor of the month. He loves me and he left her to be with me and has shown me how much he loves me. It's me who has the problem it's me who is scared about all of this, he's very sure that he wants me and our relationship.

 

I don't see how she can be at everything if I'm there. If I'm with him and she's moving on why does she need to maintain those close relationships? They're part of being an ex: you have to let some people go because of your ex. I have no plans to stay in touch very much with my bf's family, other than birthday wishes and things like that. She sees them regularly still and it makes it very difficult for everyone.

 

I don't know how to handle any of this so I'm ending it but I still think that the ex should gracefully bow out and leave it for the new partner. It's not easy but why would she want to continue those relationships anyway?

 

Yep, exwives and their kids should just bow out gracefully and let the new squeeze completely take over the lives they once had. Not only should that creepy crazy wife be handing her husband over to you with a smile on her face she shoud be more than happy to give up all of her relationships with her extended family for your comfort and personal happiness. Why if she had a decent bone in her body the very next time anyone in his family even speaks to her she would tell them to stop bugging her and call you up instead. Why does she and his family have to be so friggen stupid??!! Don't they know that you can just throw one person away and replace them with another? They're all freaking crazy I tell ya!! Since the wife is being so impossible about this, why don't you have a heart to heart with his sisters? Maybe if you explain things to them, they will have a lightbulb go off and get on board with throwing their beloved sister in law in the trash and get busy adopting you as their new bff.

 

LOL..There is no getting through to you. You don't have any understanding of people whatsoever.

[MissBee]

I have NOT been flavor of the month. He loves me and he left her to be with me and has shown me how much he loves me. It's me who has the problem it's me who is scared about all of this, he's very sure that he wants me and our relationship.

 

I don't see how she can be at everything if I'm there. If I'm with him and she's moving on why does she need to maintain those close relationships? They're part of being an ex: you have to let some people go because of your ex. I have no plans to stay in touch very much with my bf's family, other than birthday wishes and things like that. She sees them regularly still and it makes it very difficult for everyone.

 

I don't know how to handle any of this so I'm ending it but I still think that the ex should gracefully bow out and leave it for the new partner. It's not easy but why would she want to continue those relationships anyway?

 

Rosie...he didn't leave her. She kicked him out. And you yourself are scared he'll go back to her. If he left and if he loves you so much, why would you even be worried about that?

 

An ex bf and an ex WIFE WITH KIDS...very different. One can disentangle from a boyfriend they don't have kids with much easier. A marriage joins families, simply having a boyfriend doesn't. This is common sense. Why would she bow out??? Rosie, you chose what you chose...but to expect that his wife should make life comfortable and bow out for your sake and forsake relationships she has formed with people who she may love and who love her is insane frankly. Her kids are part of the family, so for that reason only, even if MM died, she would still be a part of their family. That's how marriage works. Boyfriend/gf stuff is a lot different. They don't know you and it is insane to believe that because he had an affair and brought you along she should now turn over her relationship with them to you. That is insane. Even if she bowed out, that would not make them like or embrace you. They may very well assume you ran her off and he did and treat you even more poorly.

 

You can't replace people like that. Sorry. And as many have said, who have had experience with OW joining the family, sometimes the label sticks forever

 

My aunt and uncle have been divorced for about 13 years. She has had a new husband for just as long. I still call her old husband Uncle D. I grew up knowing him, he's my cousin's dad. Her old and new husband get along, he comes over for thanksgiving and Christmas and our family still treats him like one of us. He still gives me Christmas gifts. No drama whatsoever. He bowed out of a romantic relationship with my aunt...but didn't bow out of our family. Could you imagine if we all started to ignore him or if he "bowed out" so my Uncle could "take over" how that would affect my cousin???? It's still his dad whom he loves and him seeing that although his mom is with someone new, his dad is still welcome and no weirdness is there helped a lot towards him adjusting.

 

She's not the one making it difficult for everyone...you and MM are. I'm sure if you ask his family if her being around is upsetting them, they'd have a very different take than you do. If you ask the kids who is upsetting them, it's not their mom.

 

You being there is what is difficult for everyone Rosie, and that's MM's fault. Not sure how you can not see how it's your presence via the A why the kids are weird, why she's acting weird and why his extended family is.

[Furious]

She kicked him out with a suitcase after she realized he was in love with me. After she realized that he wasn't coming back (we took a weekend trip after me and my Bf broke up and she rang and figured it out-she thought we were over before that) she packed up all his stuff in bags and told him to get it within 24 hours.

 

But he was leaving, no doubt about it. He didn't love her anymore, that was clear.

 

So exactly when was he leaving...why didn't he leave her instead of sneaking off for the weekend with you.

 

He had no reason to leave all those years he was unhappy as long as he could have the kids, wife, and other women on the side.

 

He was kicked out...because his wife had had enough.

You are his back-up plan.

[Furious]

She kicked him out with a suitcase after she realized he was in love with me. After she realized that he wasn't coming back (we took a weekend trip after me and my Bf broke up and she rang and figured it out-she thought we were over before that) she packed up all his stuff in bags and told him to get it within 24 hours.

 

But he was leaving, no doubt about it. He didn't love her anymore, that was clear.

 

 

A man who was leaving would have packed his own bags...would have found a place to live...would have already seen a divorce lawyer, would have told his immediate family, would have had a sincere talk with his children and prepared them as lovingly as possible about the changes in their lives and reassure them that he would always be their father and love them.

 

 

This guy instead went off for a secret weekend trip to have a good time.

 

Wake up...if his wife hadn't kicked him out he would never have left.

[MissBee]

A man who was leaving would have packed his own bags...would have found a place to live...would have already seen a divorce lawyer, would have told his immediate family, would have had a sincere talk with his children and prepared them as lovingly as possible about the changes in their lives and reassure them that he would always be their father and love them.

 

 

This guy instead went off for a secret weekend trip to have a good time.

 

Wake up...if his wife hadn't kicked him out he would never have left.

 

This is true...

 

The evidence that shows he was on his say out is slim. Having an A and saying he will leave are about the ONLY alleged proofs that everyone knows are no proofs at all.

 

Packing your own bag, seeing a lawyer, talking to your friends or family about what you're thinking about, talking to your kids and your stbxw are more believable actions of a man on the way out.

[rosieisblue]

Great. His wife is arguing with him via text right now. She's being a bitch about a trip he promised her and the kids when he has no money.

[Furious]

Great. His wife is arguing with him via text right now. She's being a bitch about a trip he promised her and the kids when he has no money.

 

 

 

Seriously....you just don't get it.

[whichwayisup]

I have NOT been flavor of the month. He loves me and he left her to be with me and has shown me how much he loves me. It's me who has the problem it's me who is scared about all of this, he's very sure that he wants me and our relationship.

 

I don't see how she can be at everything if I'm there. If I'm with him and she's moving on why does she need to maintain those close relationships? They're part of being an ex: you have to let some people go because of your ex. I have no plans to stay in touch very much with my bf's family, other than birthday wishes and things like that. She sees them regularly still and it makes it very difficult for everyone.

 

I don't know how to handle any of this so I'm ending it but I still think that the ex should gracefully bow out and leave it for the new partner. It's not easy but why would she want to continue those relationships anyway?

You obviously don't understand families and how they blend together over time and years of friendship, being involved daily with the kids and grandparents, aunts/unlces.. Even though his family (parents etc) are not her flesh and blood, she is part of their family. She always will be. Also you seem to want HER to end things, step away and not be in their lives.. Hello, THEY want her in their lives, it's their daughter in law and they love her!

 

Do you plan on telling his parents one day (that is IF you balk on ending it with him) to not talk to her anymore, exclude her from their lives?

 

And you ask why would she want to continue relatioships with them? THEY HAVE BEEN IN HER LIFE for so long, they are the kids grandparents. Stop being so jealous and petty.

 

yes, he's a package deal but does that mean his ex gets to be completely part of the inlaws lives forever? Shouldn't she back off and back away and go on to form new relationships with whomever she ends up with? It's almost like she's hanging on to those relationships because she can't have the one with MM. I don't expect them to shun her but it would be nice if they backed away a bit and made room for a new person, which I don't think will be me. But whoever comes into the family should not have to deal with teh ex getting in the way of building new relationships.

 

And maybe the next one, who wasn't involved in the breakup of the family, will be accepted by teh kids. I don't know, I don't care. This whole thing is nuts and I love him but this is crazy.

 

Again, you really don't understand family... Someone who does would never say what you've said above.

 

No, I'm done. I love him but I am not going to sit around with his crazy wife getting in with his family more than ever, the kids hating me, the family being distant and weird, and all the stuff said on here. Is he really a serial cheater? I don't know but I'm not taking a chance. Enough is enough.

 

Love isn't enough to make this work, it's good you see this. He comes with A LOT of baggage and you're not ready for it, nor are you ready to bend and compromise. So yeah, good for you for ending it..That is, if you truly mean this and it's not just because you're freaking out.

.

 

 

This is what you said earlier. Now you're saying something else.

 

He did not leave his wife to be with you. She kicked him out garbage bags and all.

 

Exactly. He didn't choose you Rosie. He got kicked out. He didn't 'leave his wife for you' she threw him out and didn't want him back. Big difference between him choosing you and her throwing him out.

 

She kicked him out with a suitcase after she realized he was in love with me. After she realized that he wasn't coming back (we took a weekend trip after me and my Bf broke up and she rang and figured it out-she thought we were over before that) she packed up all his stuff in bags and told him to get it within 24 hours.

 

But he was leaving, no doubt about it. He didn't love her anymore, that was clear.

 

So, why didn't HE tell her goodbye first, pack a bag and leave? No, he waited until she took charge and ended it for own sake. He did nothing.

[beachbabe82]

She was never meant to see those pictures, obviously. I feel bad about it now but we were so into each other and I just wanted him to know how much I loved him and wanted him and wanted to know that he wanted me. And he did.

 

If I thought that the marriage was good I would have never gotten involved but he made it clear that it was over and broken long before he met me and I fell in love and did what I did. Not proud of it but I fell in love and he was so amazing to me. I've never felt that way in my life. He made me feel special and wanted and loved.

 

 

Sorry Rosie, I have never nor would I ever, send nekid pictures of myself to anyone. You never know what will be done with them! She could have them and make copies and plaster them all over town! If you have to prove your

love by sending those kinds of pictures, I'll tell ya that what you have is lust not love!

 

I know Billy's wife will still be at all kinds of family events cause she is the mon to the kids. Why would you think that your MMs family should shut her out? Since he will be busy with you, his family may only see the kids via the wife.

 

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. He only left cause she kicked him out. Billy moved out on his own, not cause we were found out,

[whichwayisup]

Great. His wife is arguing with him via text right now. She's being a bitch about a trip he promised her and the kids when he has no money.

 

Who cares? That's none of your business anyway, even more so since you just said you're ending it with him.. so what difference does it make that they are having an argument? Also keep in mind you are only hearing HIS side of this so he IS going to bend the truth to suit him best and make her out to be the devil..

[dreamingoftigers]

Reminds me of my cheater ex-friend.

 

Turfs the kids to Dad, moves, gets all of her stuff straightened.

 

Goes off to Shambhala.

 

Then wails about how her 5 year old daughter doesn't like her anymore and doesn't she care about "her happiness."

 

Leaves the kids on Christmas with Dad as well and takes off for 3 weeks with the newest boyfriend.

 

"we need a break, I've been selfless for years."

 

Kids couldn't even talk to her on Christmas.

 

She and the bf lived here for four months. She let those lids know at every twist and turn that they needed to "get over it." she was happy, in love and this was it. Second bf in a year she did that with.

 

Poor, poor kids. No warning, just slammed into a divorce scenario.

 

Kids used to sit on the bed together and scream "we want daddy! we want daddy!"

 

"Why don't you love Daddy anymore?"

 

So, so mean. When people treat people disposably, they don't differentiate between wives and kids. They are all somewhere disposable as soon as their wants aren't met. Hopefully Rosie always has something he wants, if she doesn't, it's just a matter of time..

[dreamingoftigers]

I can see it now. Rosie is going to tell him all about this site. He is going to turn it into us against the world and they will live in their happy, selfish little bubble trying to prove a point while the kids get left behind.

 

Agreed, unfortunately.

 

"they don't know the 'real' us, they don't understand."

 

"they're just bitter because their relationships didn't work out."

 

"I told you I'm done with that chapter of my life."

 

Ooh ooh ooh maybe he'll cry and tell her how she's the most important person in his life and grateful he is that she stuck by him and "please don't leave, I need you more than ever now. Where would I be without you?"

 

He'll say all that right things BUT he won't be able to follow squat up with sustained actions because he doesn't have the internal fortitude to sustain a healthy relationship. Or else he wouldn't have been engaging in this to begin with, especially with such shoddy boundaries regarding his children etc.

[rosieisblue]

Seriously....you just don't get it.

 

What don't I get? She's raging at him via text and he has no money to give her what she wants.