What Makes Women Worth Winning Over?

[aRealMan]

Wow, sonny. You don't get out much, do you?

 

 

 

So what? Go ahead and love foreign women. Nobody cares.

 

Are really trying to say that women pursue men even close the same as the other way around? Come back when your period is over.

 

I've never seen women as a prize to be gained, I pretty much see it as the same process as making friends

 

 

 

If you make yourself desirable enough, women will try to win you over and that's my goal anyways. I want women to chase after me not the other way around. We'll see if I can accomplish that

 

 

 

Also, as usual, the misogyny in this thread and this entire forum is nauseating. Some of you guys seem like you would be much happier just being gay. Seriously, just try dick for once and see if you like it. Then you'll never have to deal with the women you despise so much anyways

 

If I was asked to point out the biggest p*ssy on this forum, I'd find you.. I really don't mean to be rude, but why don't you try going to police women whenever they criticize men? All you do is white knight.

 

Again, you're the misandrist dude who dedicated a thread bashing guys for "not being manly and confident" in winning women over, before admitting being a shy pussy, yourself. If questioning norms really bothers you, just ignore the thread

Edited July 11, 2012 by aRealMan
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[brahmabull117]

 

 

The only reason men in other countries believe that is because that's the picture hollywood paints. You watch a European movie, and the people look decent, but they're people you see on the street. Meanwhile, American movies make people think everyone here looks like Brad and Angelina, when in reality this country has some of the ugliest (inside and out) people in the world.

 

That said, I know for a fact Russian women are very materialistic, but it's almost like they were made for the typical American man. The average American man is a sissy who wants to get a woman by showering her in money and gifts, but women here don't want just money, they want a man who looks like amazing too.

 

People in countries like Russia also think gold lines the streets of America and we're all here eating filet mignon and pissing champagne. That too, is a myth. In reality, the glamorous New York City they show you in the movies that foreigners always dream about is just Manhattan, a tiny little island in a huge state, the rest of it is a grimey, congested, poverty and crime ridden cesspool.

 

 

 

Women here aren't anywhere near as materialistic as the ones overseas, not by a long shot. I know a good number of very attractive women dating guys who are younger than them who aren't even established and that simply does not exist in Russia. My best friend's girlfriend looks like Marissa Miller and my best friend doesn't have any money (yet, he will in the future). That same girl in Russia would be dating a 45 year old CEO. I can't stand these people on these forums who glamorize foreign women without the slightest clue of how they're like. Asian women are extreme gold diggers as well BTW

 

 

 

As far as women liking looks, so what dude? It's 2012. Women are entitled to date a guy they find visually appealing. Their standards are NOWHERE near as high as you're claiming them to be. Not even close actually, most of them just want a guy about as good as looking as they are. Most couples I know are exactly like that - average women dating average guys. I even know 1 couple where it's a gorgeous blonde dating an average nerd (swear to god). The issue here is that you want to blame things you can't control (your appearance) because it allows you to avoid taking responsibility for your failures (which are a result of your nasty attitude).

 

 

 

It's 2012, women want to date a guy that's about as good looking as they are, in similar income bracket with a similarly appealing personality and you people act like this is some sort of a huge crime against society. Guess what? I have pretty much the exact same standards (I don't care as much about money as women do but that's expected, most women have to take time off work for childbirth and they need a man to support in the meanwhile. I can earn money like all the time so it's not as important for me). For you a guy who has high standards in terms of looks or wants to date a woman who is also a doctor or a lawyer is a champion, but a woman who does that is some stupid cvnt that should be punished for being so superficial. Do you not see your inane hypocrisy?

 

 

 

I hope you guys understand somewhere along the line that your extreme negativity and hatred will only bring you more suffering. People treat you as well as you treat them. Life is a self fulfilling prophecy like that. If you continue to think that all women are bitches, then you will continue to get bitch treatment. You reap what you sow

[Feelsgoodman]

I was born in Armenia and I've lived in Russia so I have plenty of experience with foreign women. They are 10 times worse golddiggers than anything you see in the US

 

 

Russian women for example? Oh my lord, worst gold diggers you'll ever meet. Try dating an attractive russian broad without a BMW or a six figure salary and you won't go very far

That's because no self-respecting russian woman would ever date an armenian...or anyone else from the Caucasus region. So I'm not surprised that the ones who "dated" you were basically whores.

 

My experience with russian women has been quite different from yours. Contrary to western stereotypes, most of them are not gold-diggers.

[brahmabull117]

If questioning norms really bothers you, just ignore the thread

 

 

No, stupidity and lack of logic bothers me and I see a ton in these threads

 

 

 

I don't see women as a prize to be gained and neither do any of my friends. We all see it as a similar process to making friends - 2 people getting together and working to maximize each other's enjoyment of life. You need to stop reading all the woman hating nonsense and move to the real world. All the couples I know don't see it as a situation where it's a guy trying to win over a girl. They always see it as 2 people getting along and trying to maximize each other

 

 

Look, are there aspects of society I don't like? Absolutely. The divorce system right now where women are entitled to 50% of man's earnings regardless of anything else is absolutely retarded. I've always said that's retarded

 

 

Should women be forced to approach men as much as vice versa? Absolutely. I've always said that. Should all women be forced to pay 50/50 in their early dates? Absolutely. Most women I personally know nowadays split the costs in their dates but that should be a universal role across the board. The idea of chivalry when women make about the same money as men in that regard is idiotic. I don't complain about these things though because it's a lost cause - these are societal issues that can't be resolved by complaining to a bunch of women on here. You're never going to change the minds of 3 billion women so all you can do is find the ones that have a compatible attitude as you do (and it's not hard to find, my best friend's girlfriend offered to split the bill their very first date). I'm not saying you're wrong to complain about these things but it just gets tiresome to hear the same things over and over again. The reason that a lot of people get irritated is because you group all women into these complaints when there are a ton of women nowadays who don't behave that way. At least clarify that you're talking about a specific group and the people here wouldn't object as much. A lot of the other things you guys complain about though is nonsense - for example, women having an inflated view of their attractiveness...for christ sake I've seen chubby balding old guys who felt they are entitled to a hot 30 year old. That's not a gender specific thing.

 

 

 

I'm not a white knight, far from it. I'm just the voice of reason on a forum full of raging lunatics

[brahmabull117]

That's because no self-respecting russian woman would ever date an armenian...or anyone else from the Caucasus region. So I'm not surprised that the ones who "dated" you were basically whores.

 

 

I didn't date them because I was too young at that point, I just observed what happened around me and what my older relatives told me

 

 

Also Russians don't like people from the Caucasus region? I know 4 or 5 guys in Brooklyn, New York who are Armenian/from surrounding areas with beautiful Russian girlfriends

 

 

I'll introduce you to those 4/5 guys, their average car costs probably 70 or 80,000 dollars. Their houses? Minimum 700,000. Russian women not gold diggers? You must be high. Foreign women not gold diggers? Yea you're definitely high

[miss_jaclynrae]

It is all about give and take. I love being pampered but I am sure to show my appreciation and give back as much as I can.

 

 

I am pretty old school and believe I am worth enough to at least be wooed. Flowers and gifts only make me feel like they care. It is the thought behind it.

Whether the gift is jewelry [which I am not a huge fan of] or a drawing done for me... it is all about being shown that I matter.

 

 

Women tend [notice the word tend, not always] to show their emotions more easily and are bit more romantic due to that. For men, it sometimes is more difficult, gifts are a way to show without saying.

 

*shrug*

It is all about the woman and the man individually.

[brahmabull117]

That said, I think it would be easier to find a nice, ok looking, traditional , simple to please woman in Russia than in America

 

Here's why I get annoyed by this incredible lack of logic and extreme stupidity

 

 

You want a girl who is traditional and simple to please (say 1950) but you also want them to make plenty of money and approach you/ask you out (2012). You're doing the exact same thing that feminists do (benefits of both 1950 and 2012) except the other way around

 

 

If you want a girl who is traditional, then you need to act traditional yourself - approach women, pay for dates and find a woman who shares your exact same views. They do exist - my best friend's older brother has the exact same relationship you're talking about. Yes it's true most women do want to make money and have a career and they do want you to do some of the housework...so why is this a bad thing? I would rather do 50% of the housework if it means I'm going to get an extra 80 grand income from my wife working

 

 

 

Also women who don't want a guy like themselves? that's complete horsesht and you know it. Go out someday and pay attention to the couples you see. 80 to 90% of couples feature people who are similar to each other in most everything from appearance to income level to fitness level, etc... People seek out those who are most similar to them. Stop making it seem like every woman wants a millionaire male model because it's just not true

 

 

 

Your experiences are checkered by the fact that you are some try-too-hard that only wants to date women who looks like fitness models, then yes in Russia you will need a lot of money for that. But you'll also need a lot of money to do that in America, and over here those simple, natural, traditional girls that just want a guy like themselves, don't exist.

 

 

Let's call a spade a spade. I'm easily in the top 5% of men when it comes to appearance. Why wouldn't I demand that my girlfriend be at least somewhat close to that?

 

 

And no I don't only want to date a fitness model, I'd date a girl with an average non fat figure and a cute face if I really loved spending time with her so that's nonsense. Fitness model would be a perfect world (and we don't live in a perfect world)

[brahmabull117]

It is all about give and take. I love being pampered but I am sure to show my appreciation and give back as much as I can.

 

 

I am pretty old school and believe I am worth enough to at least be wooed. Flowers and gifts only make me feel like they care. It is the thought behind it.

Whether the gift is jewelry [which I am not a huge fan of] or a drawing done for me... it is all about being shown that I matter.

 

 

Women tend [notice the word tend, not always] to show their emotions more easily and are bit more romantic due to that. For men, it sometimes is more difficult, gifts are a way to show without saying.

 

*shrug*

It is all about the woman and the man individually.

 

 

 

Get ready for a barrage of insults and men saying that you're lying and that your man spends 50 grand for 1 gift while you spend 5 bucks for 1 gift for him

 

 

You're exactly right though, most relationships nowadays are about equal and exactly like you're describing them. You might have the occasional gold digging stupid 22 year old getting bought out by her 35 year old wealthy husband but that's kind of a rare thing

[aRealMan]

No, stupidity and lack of logic bothers me and I see a ton in these threads

 

 

 

I don't see women as a prize to be gained and neither do any of my friends. We all see it as a similar process to making friends - 2 people getting together and working to maximize each other's enjoyment of life. You need to stop reading all the woman hating nonsense and move to the real world. All the couples I know don't see it as a situation where it's a guy trying to win over a girl. They always see it as 2 people getting along and trying to maximize each other

 

 

Look, are there aspects of society I don't like? Absolutely. The divorce system right now where women are entitled to 50% of man's earnings regardless of anything else is absolutely retarded. I've always said that's retarded

 

 

Should women be forced to approach men as much as vice versa? Absolutely. I've always said that. Should all women be forced to pay 50/50 in their early dates? Absolutely. Most women I personally know nowadays split the costs in their dates but that should be a universal role across the board. The idea of chivalry when women make about the same money as men in that regard is idiotic. I don't complain about these things though because it's a lost cause - these are societal issues that can't be resolved by complaining to a bunch of women on here. You're never going to change the minds of 3 billion women so all you can do is find the ones that have a compatible attitude as you do (and it's not hard to find, my best friend's girlfriend offered to split the bill their very first date). I'm not saying you're wrong to complain about these things but it just gets tiresome to hear the same things over and over again. The reason that a lot of people get irritated is because you group all women into these complaints when there are a ton of women nowadays who don't behave that way. At least clarify that you're talking about a specific group and the people here wouldn't object as much. A lot of the other things you guys complain about though is nonsense - for example, women having an inflated view of their attractiveness...for christ sake I've seen chubby balding old guys who felt they are entitled to a hot 30 year old. That's not a gender specific thing.

 

 

 

I'm not a white knight, far from it. I'm just the voice of reason on a forum full of raging lunatics

 

Stopped reading here. Typically one gender works for the other. And you know that. It's funny how you admit to being a shy puss in real life, and come to the net aggressively try to police people's opinions. Specifically male opinions. I can tell that it really bother's you.

 

Anytime that I see a non pro-female post, I already know within minutes, your spidey senses goes tingling and you're well on your way to try to "correct" him. Out of all the male bashing/critiquing posts (most are subtle) on here, no one says anything. If you're going to pretend to be a moderator and police people's opinions, at least do it both ways. You've already been called a white knight and been "lawyered" in your own pinned/thread.

 

And guess what? If I want to question norms, I will. I'm not hurting anyone. I don't care if it threatens the luxary of women being able to sit back and have what ever they want being handed to them without working for it. I asked if people actually think about what they do, or why do they think about.

 

So, if you're looking for a world where the only comments are pro-female or male bashing (like your posts and topic), tough luck. It'll never be 100% that way, even though it's pretty close. Not everyone is going to be some pussy-beggar, so get over it. People will have opinions different from anti-male and pro-female, so accept it, and stfu.

[aRealMan]

It is all about give and take. I love being pampered but I am sure to show my appreciation and give back as much as I can.

 

 

I am pretty old school and believe I am worth enough to at least be wooed. Flowers and gifts only make me feel like they care. It is the thought behind it.

Whether the gift is jewelry [which I am not a huge fan of] or a drawing done for me... it is all about being shown that I matter.

 

 

Women tend [notice the word tend, not always] to show their emotions more easily and are bit more romantic due to that. For men, it sometimes is more difficult, gifts are a way to show without saying.

 

*shrug*

It is all about the woman and the man individually.

 

This is typical. I'm sure you're not "old school" when it comes to pay checks and voting rights, though -- right? Just "old school" when it benefits you?

[miss_jaclynrae]

Get ready for a barrage of insults and men saying that you're lying and that your man spends 50 grand for 1 gift while you spend 5 bucks for 1 gift for him

 

 

You're exactly right though, most relationships nowadays are about equal and exactly like you're describing them. You might have the occasional gold digging stupid 22 year old getting bought out by her 35 year old wealthy husband but that's kind of a rare thing

 

LOL. Thanks for the heads up!

 

 

There are women out there that like that, but what men have to remember is that if they see a woman with a man spending such money, it is HIS choice. I know quite a few men who spoil there women with gifts and they do it because they like to.

 

 

It is a two way street.

[miss_jaclynrae]

This is typical. I'm sure you're not "old school" when it comes to pay checks and voting rights, though -- right? Just "old school" when it benefits you?

 

 

Exactly right.

 

 

As I said, if the man does it willingly how is it in anyway my fault?

I say more props to him for doing it out of want rather than because he must.

Again, I never said it should be like that for everyone. That is just how I like it, and I am sure there are men out there willing to do it, and for those that don't, there is a woman out there for them who is ok with that.

[brahmabull117]

Stopped reading here. Typically one gender works for the other. And you know that. It's funny how you admit to being a shy puss in real life, and come to the net aggressively try to police people's opinions. Specifically male opinions. I can tell that it really bother's you.

 

 

Me being a little shy doesn't matter. Long term I'm going to have more much much more success with women based on my good looks, physique and the fact that I feel that I'm a genuinely nice person. How does that feel?

 

 

 

Also one gender works for the other? No I'm sorry no. That's not reality. That's not any of the couples I know. You need to come back to earth

 

 

Anytime that I see a non pro-female post, I already know within minutes, your spidey senses goes tingling and you're well on your way to try to "correct" him. Out of all the male bashing/critiquing posts (most are subtle) on here, no one says anything. If you're going to pretend to be a moderator and police people's opinions, at least do it both ways. You've already been called a white knight and been "lawyered" in your own pinned/thread.

 

 

I don't do it both ways?

 

1)I've stated men are better looking than women (absolutely no doubt about it)

 

2)The justice/divorce system is completely retarded

 

3)Women who expect to skate by in life are also retarded

 

4)Women should approach men and should expect to split everything

50/50. I just don't fight this issue anymore because it's a hopeless battle. It's a societal issue, not an individual one. I'm not saying you're wrong to question that aspect of it but don't put ALL women in that category because there are plenty of modern women fine with splitting costs or even initiating conversation with a guy.

 

 

 

And guess what? If I want to question norms, I will. I'm not hurting anyone. I don't care if it threatens the luxary of women being able to sit back and have what ever they want being handed to them without working for it. I asked if people actually think about what they do, or why do they think about.

 

 

 

Women have what they want? The average housewife I know nowadays works 40 hours a week, does 90% of the housework and raises 3 kids. My god do you live on Planet Neptune?

[aRealMan]

Exactly right.

 

 

As I said, if the man does it willingly how is it in anyway my fault?

I say more props to him for doing it out of want rather than because he must.

Again, I never said it should be like that for everyone. That is just how I like it, and I am sure there are men out there willing to do it, and for those that don't, there is a woman out there for them who is ok with that.

 

I thought so. And most guys do it because it's expected for us to let the adult children to freeload/mooch from us. Otherwise, the dating pool is much smaller, if there at all.

 

Ya know, I'm not even going to rant about how selfish, self-centered, and useless a person like this is.... it's not like it's going to do anything, because there're plenty of whiteknights who encourage this behavior like brahmabull.

[brahmabull117]

because there're plenty of whiteknights who encourage this behavior like brahmabull.

 

 

No sorry that woman's mindset is idiotic. I wouldn't want anything to do with her having that sort of entitlement attitude

[miss_jaclynrae]

I thought so. And most guys do it because it's expected for us to let the adult children to freeload/mooch from us. Otherwise, the dating pool is much smaller, if there at all.

 

Ya know, I'm not even going to rant about how selfish, self-centered, and useless a person like this is.... it's not like it's going to do anything, because there're plenty of whiteknights who encourage this behavior like brahmabull.

 

Tunnel vision.

You haz it.

 

 

 

 

Say what you want, but I bet those men get laid a lot more than you do.

[brahmabull117]

Tunnel vision.

You haz it.

 

Say what you want, but I bet those men get laid a lot more than you do.

 

 

 

I really wish you wouldn't have come into this thread. You're pouring gasoline into the fire and turning a difficult battle into an impossible battle for me with your idiotic views

[miss_jaclynrae]

No sorry that woman's mindset is idiotic. I wouldn't want anything to do with her having that sort of entitlement attitude

 

 

 

Idiotic?

No problem. That is exactly why I would never date you.

[Not in a snarky way, I just know what I want and what I value in a man]

[aRealMan]

Me being a little shy doesn't matter. Long term I'm going to have more much much more success with women based on my good looks, physique and the fact that I feel that I'm a genuinely nice person. How does that feel?

 

Yeah, if you say so

 

 

 

Also one gender works for the other? No I'm sorry no. That's not reality. That's not any of the couples I know. You need to come back to earth

 

This is after they are already couples. Once the guy has maximized her worth (sex), it makes sense for her to try to keep him. Are you seriously too slow to realize that?

 

 

 

 

I don't do it both ways?

 

1)I've stated men are better looking than women (absolutely no doubt about it)

 

2)The justice/divorce system is completely retarded

 

3)Women who expect to skate by in life are also retarded

 

4)Women should approach men and should expect to split everything

50/50. I just don't fight this issue anymore because it's a hopeless battle. It's a societal issue, not an individual one. I'm not saying you're wrong to question that aspect of it but don't put ALL women in that category because there are plenty of modern women fine with splitting costs or even initiating conversation with a guy.

 

I'm talking about on an individual poster basis. Just admit. Everyone knows. You only go after attacking guys. You never go at the hoes, dude. I don't even know why I still bother with you.

 

 

 

 

 

Women have what they want? The average housewife I know nowadays works 40 hours a week, does 90% of the housework and raises 3 kids. My god do you live on Planet Neptune?

 

 

90% of the housework and raising the kids herself is completely absurd. American women would take his money and kids in a divorce (which is quite easily) before she does all of the work like you make it out to be.

 

 

 

It's all in bold.

[brahmabull117]

This is typical. I'm sure you're not "old school" when it comes to pay checks and voting rights, though -- right? Just "old school" when it benefits you?

 

 

BTW I hope you realize you're the male equivalent of "miss jaclyn". You want the benefits of 1950 (traditional easy to please housewife) with the benefits of 2012 (Have her earn money and approach you in the dating game)

 

 

If you love the traditional ways so much, how the hell do you think relationships worked 80 years ago? Men earned all the money and payed for everything

 

 

How are you going to long for the days of the past and then bash one of the biggest aspects of the past (in that man payed for everything) in the same sentence?

[aRealMan]

I really wish you wouldn't have come into this thread. You're pouring gasoline into the fire and turning a difficult battle into an impossible battle for me with your idiotic views

 

Your battle was lost a long time ago. I really think you're in denial. That is most women you're speaking too.

 

Tunnel vision.

You haz it.

 

 

 

 

Say what you want, but I bet those men get laid a lot more than you do.

 

It's not hard when they find whores. No really, you're really the definition of useless whore :laugh:. You just admitted that you're bought out and bring nothing to the table.

 

Idiotic?

No problem. That is exactly why I would never date you.

[Not in a snarky way, I just know what I want and what I value in a man]

 

See, Brahmabull? These hoes only want you when you agree to white knight and pay them for their time. She just straight tossed you.

[miss_jaclynrae]

BTW I hope you realize you're the male equivalent of "miss jaclyn". You want the benefits of 1950 (traditional easy to please housewife) with the benefits of 2012 (Have her earn money and approach you in the dating game)

 

 

If you love the traditional ways so much, how the hell do you think relationships worked 80 years ago? Men earned all the money and payed for everything

 

 

How are you going to long for the days of the past and then bash one of the biggest aspects of the past (in that man payed for everything) in the same sentence?

 

 

 

That is a pretty presumptive comparison. As I said, I still believe in give and take. You are assuming I expect to be treated well while giving nothing back.

You would be wrong, I worked full time and contributed just as much household wise when I was married as well as when it came to gifts. I just made a point that there are men out there that have no problem "spoiling" their significant other.

 

Who is to say what works for one relationship is wrong?

[miss_jaclynrae]

Your battle was lost a long time ago. I really think you're in denial. That is most women you're speaking too.

 

 

 

It's not hard when they find whores. No really, you're really the definition of useless whore :laugh:. You just admitted that you're bought out and bring nothing to the table.

 

 

 

See, Brahmabull? These hoes only want you when you agree to white knight and pay them for their time. She just straight tossed you.

 

 

 

Ah, so now I am a whore for wanting to be treated right by a man?

Forgive me, but I wouldn't date anyone who threw around the words "whore" and "idiot" at a woman for her mere engagement and for putting out her open minded opinion. Carry on though.

[brahmabull117]

It's all in bold.

 

 

 

1)Most couples I know had it close to 50/50 from the beginning. The guy might have payed for the first date but it was close to even right after that. Who cares about a first date anyways? That's more significant to you than the 3 years of dating after that when it was pretty much equal?

 

 

This jaclyn broad does not represent all or most women, not by a long shot

 

 

 

2)I go more after the guys here because you're the ones polluting this forum with your misogynistic, extremely biased and inaccurate garbage. I don't see a lot of man hating on this forum and I would be enraged if I did

 

 

3)What did I say that's absurd about your average housewife? They do most of the housework, still work 40 hours a day and do a lot of the parenting responsibilities in terms of raising the children. This is how it is in nearly every family I know

 

 

You need to come back to earth with your ideas of women who have everything handed to them and skate by in life. it's just not reality for oh I don't know 95% of women

[brahmabull117]

 

In the long run, I would happily support a woman financially, if she gives me children and does her part around the house. Men and women are meant to work together, not compete with one another. I never once said I was against the down side of traditional gender roles.

 

 

So what the hell's the issue? Traditional gender roles means you approach and pay for dates. Do that and find a woman who shares your same values. I know plenty of guys who have the same arrangement as you're seeking

 

 

What's the problem?