Anyones prayers answered?

[todreaminblue]

And when he murdered the first born sons who was he protecting?

When he flooded the world and killed who knows how many who was he protecting?

Who was he protecting when he destroyed Sodom and Gomrrah?

 

 

The answer is none at all. It was because he simply didnt like them and they didnt do what he wanted. Hmmm, Sadam did the same thing.

 

God does not deliver justice out of hate he delivers justice out of love.He is our father in heaven,A father will not discipline his children out of hate or if he did it is abuse not discipline.Just as God does not deliver anything out of hate>

 

I have one reference I will give I think it is from Genesis."for god so loved the world he gave us his only begotten son"

God gave his perfect son to us to die for our sins out of Gods perfect love could this be borne to happen.There is no hate in god.

 

I respect your right to share your opinion and mean no disrespect to you at all or your beliefs, I choose to share my thoughts with you and exercise my right.

 

I stand by my statement God is pure love.But Justice is also a part of love.As a father disciplines a child on earth so it is done in heaven>

 

I also think there is a bible verse that relates to that because it is familiar to me and came easily to me to type.I am tired today and still unwell so i apologize I cant think of the specific verse at the moment.There are people who will know which verse I speak of who are fine and frisky who might even share it with me so I know next time.I have missed my companions of late who share verses with me.

 

peace to you BlackGetSuga thanks for sharing

[KathyM]

"The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. God is the creator of all life. Without Him, there would be no life. He has the right to decide who lives and dies. If you don't believe in God, then I don't see what your issue is with the concept that God gives and takes away our earthly life as He sees fit, as well as determines our spiritual fate. If you have no belief in Him, then that concept should be a non-issue for you. Why expect Christians to think God's law is unfair? Christians believe God has the right as the Creator to make the rules for His creation, and the right to decide our fate. The argument by athiests on this thread makes no sense. If they have no belief in God, then this concept of God's rights should be a non-issue for them. But instead, they are trying to get Christians to have a problem with the fact that God decides who lives and who dies. But because Christians believe God has that right, this is also a non-issue for them. There's really no point in this argument, and the thread is supposed to be about answers to prayers. Why do athiests feel the need to trash it by arguing about God's character or justice? If they don't believe in God, this should be a non-issue for them.

[sally4sara]

I do remember the argument made AGAINST the old testament being turned over to new testament laws. Matthew 5:17-20

 

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

 

It was focused on to warn us against "casual christianity" and false witness bearers trying to lead us away from the fear of god that protects our place in heaven. Yet I always hear christians try this "oh the old testament is old news now after Jesus" argument.

[YellowShark]

yea tell me about it. these atheists want religious people out. new york city is overrun with non believers who want to impose their beliefs. from abortion on demand to demanding christian business clse its stunning. theyd completly ban religion from nyc if thery could.

 

Ya. Those awful terrible atheists probably got tired of waiting 2000 years for god to actually do something. They probably got tired of people like you imposing YOUR iron-age beliefs on them. Its called evolution. And I know you book of fables doesn't believe in evolution.. but it happens.

[YellowShark]

You and I both know what they will do. Completely ignore the evidence before them and start on another less harsh part of the bible. Its like a man being on trial for murder that he is guilty of and using the excuse that the day before he helped a homless man.

 

Yup. They completely go past the scripture I quoted from their book and start quoting other scripture. You can't win really. Its like talking to robots.

[RickyLovesLucy]

I have not felt protected lately and I know why.I have contemplated suicide and the spirit leaves me because I know that is a not enduring to the end if I decide when that end will be.I feel everything, all the pain all the turmoil .I need to talk to my bishop I know in my heart that god wants me to.I procrastinate, because I don't know if I deserve to be saved or even if I want to sometimes.

If you are contemplating suicide, you need to talk to your bishop or priest, as well as a psychotherapist. I'm sure there is a suicide hotline in your area if things get bad. Each of us deserves to be saved. Including and especially you.

[BetheButterfly]

Has anyone ever had their prayers answered?

 

I personally believe God answers all my prayers. Sometimes, He says "No", not audibly, but by the obvious conclusion that He did not fulfill my request like I wanted. For example, when my Mamaw (grandmother) died of cancer, His answer to our prayers for her healing was "No." Am I angry at God? Nope, because I believe we will see her again!!! I believe she is not hurting anymore but has/will have a body that is not decaying, like our bodies now are.

 

Revelation 21

Revelation 21 TNIV - A New Heaven and a New Earth - Then I - Bible Gateway

 

" 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

 

Sometimes God says "Wait", again not audibly but through lack of action. For example, I had to wait before God answered my prayer for a wonderful husband who loves Him and who loves me. It helps to focus on growing while waiting. My husband is an answer to prayer and a great blessing to me, in more ways than one!!!

 

God has also answered my prayers with "Yes" many times, through obvious action. He has protected me when I have called out to Him. He has given me wisdom when I ask. He has helped me grow in love when I seek His help. God answers prayer yes when the request conforms to His will. He is not a genie. He is the Supreme Being, the Creator who does not revolve around people, though He loves people. Many times just like a good parent, He does not give us everything we ask for or desire, but rather leads us on a journey to help us grow/mature.

 

Have you witnessed any miracles with or without prayer that you believe was the work of god?

 

Yes, I have seen druggies come to Jesus and become ex-druggies, as well as alcoholics come to Jesus and have become ex-alcoholics. I know it wasn't the strength of my friends who did it, but rather they sought help from God in order to change.

 

I have seen people who were rescued in miraculous ways from death or danger.

 

I have seen a little girl healed from the cancer that ravaged her. Her doctors were amazed. I was too.

 

All the above I believe to be intervention from God on humans.

My life hasnt been well at all the past few months. Ive become much more depressed and miserable. I completly lost myself and I feel i need god the most at this time.

 

I am really sorry to hear that you are hurting. May God bless you with joy and love and help you through the hard times.

[BetheButterfly]

The bolded caught my attention. When my dad was dying of cancer, I too asked for his healing. At first I believed that God's answer was no (and I was angry and turned away for years:o)then my FIL who is a minister told me that God did indeed answer yes. My father was healed just not in the way I desired. I wanted my dad's pain to stop and for him to be happy and free again.....now he is. I just wanted to share that with you.

 

Thanks for sharing this Bentnotbroken,

 

It is hard to lose a loved one from life on earth. I am sorry about your Dad. I understand what you mean because it most definitely devastated me to experience the loss of a loved one, my Mamaw.

 

One thing that I think many people feel (and I know I feel this) is that we feel we were made to live forever... our bodies decaying just gets in the way of this. That is why the hope of Heaven without pain and sickness and death and tears of sadness is so strong... because we are more than just our bodies.

 

The hope and belief that my Mamaw is not over, the end of, but rather just beginning a new phase in her metamorphosis (eternal life with God, without pain), greatly comforts me. Now, I don't know 100% sure, but I trust. The alternative that she simply ceases to exist does not resonate with me because there is more to life than just the physical shells.

 

I agree!!! I believe your Dad's pain stopped and that he is happy and free again! I also believe you will see him again, same as I will see my Mamaw!

[BetheButterfly]

Atrocities commited against man are not the fault of god.The atrocities committed against brothers and sisters are committed by man and man can be held responsible for those atrocities.

 

God cannot be held responsible as there will be judgement day for men who commit vile acts against humankind.God is all loving.

God is pure love, a just love, a righteous love, the perfect love.God is not a pushover and will be just in his decisions, there are no blessings or acceptance for atrocities against those that God loves.That is my thoughts on God and his perfection, and in his creating perfection in humanity.Which ultimately humans made the choice, or chose to exercise free will, to be imperfect from the beginning of humanity.Again this is not Gods fault in my mind.

 

Totally agreed. My thoughts too.

 

People are people's own worst enemies. They kill, rape, torture, and/or hurt other people Both those who believe in God and those who don't believe in God have and do kill and hurt others. So, the belief in God is not the factor.

 

The factors are hatred, greed, lust, envy, revenge, anger that resorts to violence, and so on. Both people who believe in God and people who do not believe in God can have those factors in their hearts that cause them to commit horrible acts against others.

 

As for God, yes I agree 100% that God is love. Also, God is eternal. We don't know 100% for sure what happens after death. However, God knows since He surpasses the mere physical realm/dimension and encompasses the spiritual realm/dimension as well.God knows what happened to the Jewish people who were murdered, as well as all people who are murdered and unjustly treated by their fellow men. I personally believe God takes into account what happened to them and justly makes wise and loving decisions for them... C. S. Lewis in his book The Problem with Pain, talks about God and how He deals with injustice committed by people against other people.

[justwhoiam]

I guess many have a distorted idea of what a superior entity can be. We're not talking grey beard here, or doves, etc. Those are images meant for humankind, because we need images, most of the time. It's a form of expression. Just like talking, singing, etc.

 

Science is not up to explaining everything. Scientists just know 10% of what there is to know, and it's not because in time they will know 100%. They will NEVER know 100%. Not on our planet, not in a million years (most likely the Earth won't exist in a million years, for sure not as we know it). Think of the concept of infinite. Do you think it exists? It's not something you can see or touch, yet everyone knows that's a real concept. It's as real as it can be and no one is questioning it. But when it comes to entities beyond our control, we deny their existence. That's so stupid, because it is widely known that our brain has capabilities way beyond our knowledge, or of which we are unaware.

 

That said, the inexplicable has always had its way all over the world in any age, and will have in the future too.

 

I survived near-death experiences. Some would say I'm just lucky, but the concept of luck can't exist if you don't believe in any entity. So how do you explain that.

 

As regards miracles, I witnessed some. One was a woman then in her 40s with neverending bleeding, diagnosed with cancer, but whose tumor went away on its own. The doctors and medical stuff at the hospital wouldn't believe how it went away on its own, simply because they had NO explanation for that kind of event and wanted to research further... They did, but they couldn't come to any conclusion other than an event of self-healing. The truth is she was a firm believer and after months of not knowing what to do and not having a cure for her (that happened in the 80s), she tried other paths. It worked. I don't know if the brain has such power in some cases, but she turned to religion and she was forever thankful.

 

My unbelievably pious grandmother too while in her 90s was diagnosed with irreversible senile dementia. It was progressively getting worse, she didn't recognize who we were anymore. She had allucinations. But after a while of that crazy behavior, she was back as she was before if not even better. I have read that there are cases of people coming back to their senses... but I'm not sure how frequent that is in people in their 90s.

 

I could go on with the list, but it'd be useless. If you don't believe, you'll always find excuses for anything happening to you or to others. If you believe, then you don't need constant proof. I tend to be a skeptical person overall, I read and listen, and reason with my own mind.

[mercy]

The bolded caught my attention. When my dad was dying of cancer, I too asked for his healing. At first I believed that God's answer was no (and I was angry and turned away for years:o)then my FIL who is a minister told me that God did indeed answer yes. My father was healed just not in the way I desired. I wanted my dad's pain to stop and for him to be happy and free again.....now he is. I just wanted to share that with you.

 

Beautiful post!

 

It reminds me of a song the lead singer of Mercy Me wrote when his dad passed.

 

[BetheButterfly]

I'm surprised this one managed to fly under the radar. Interestingly, as an atheist with no particular fondness for Christianity, I can honestly say that this is a cringeworthy attempt at discrediting the Bible.

 

Analogy.

 

I'll grant you this one; it's pretty atrocious.

 

If I recall rightly, Leviticus is addressed to the Levites, who served a particular religious and political function among the Israelites. So this is basically some ritual that probably had some symbolic meaning. Either way, harmless, and not intended for the general population.

 

It really annoys me to see people use this quote, because it demonstrates such laziness and lack of skepticism. You only have to read a few verses either side to see that this was part of a parable, not a direct command from Jesus to his followers. The part you quoted is Jesus quoting the king in his story.

 

From a quick reading, this passage, while distasteful, appears to be an account of a prophecy, not a commandment to do as such.

 

I'm sorry to say that your reading level of the Bible appears to be at about a 2nd grade level. There are many valid criticisms to be made of it, but you haven't scored many hits here. My advice is to either look deeper, or refrain from commenting on things outside your sphere of knowledge.

 

I'm going to start a new thread with this post, if that's ok?

[BetheButterfly]

Hello,

 

There are Bible verses that are questionable. It is very good to ask questions about what they mean and why they were written. Asking questions can be done without insulting what others believe. One does not have to agree with the answers given, but respect can be mutually given even when disagreements happen.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by YellowShark

Ok. Let's quote from the bible...

 

I'm surprised this one managed to fly under the radar. Interestingly, as an atheist with no particular fondness for Christianity, I can honestly say that this is a cringeworthy attempt at discrediting the Bible.

It is interesting to see an Atheist's response to hard questionable topics in the Bible. I didn't notice this post till you answered it. I agree with most of your points!

Quote:

Matthew 5:29 - If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away.

Analogy.

This is hyperbole. Jesus used many different forms of expression in his teachings. Hyperbole is gross exaggeration to emphasize something. Here, Jesus is strongly emphasizing to be careful what you see!

 

It reminds me of the non-hyperbole Christian nursery song... "Oh be careful little eyes what you see..."

 

How one knows when something Jesus (or anyone) says is hyperbole is based on the following criteria:

 

1. Does the person who says it actually literally do it? Jesus did not put out his eyes, so it is obvious he did not lead in example this way.

 

2. Do the person's followers actually literally do it? The apostles and disciples of Jesus did not put their eyes out.

 

Now if Jesus and/or his apostles/disciples had put their eyes out, then we would know this is literal, and I would not be a Christian.

Quote:

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 - "If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death;"

I'll grant you this one; it's pretty atrocious.

In this day and age, it does seem atrocious, I agree. However, it's important to note the history of the people of that time period. Not only the children of Israel, but people all around the world were more harsh in some instances in punishment. At that time as well, it is possible that there were less cases of infidelity, since the punishment put fear into people. I'm not saying that's good, but it is interesting that when a punishment is harsher, people tend to think harder about whether they want to risk it or not.

 

This command was basically to put fear into the hearts of the people so they wouldn't commit adultery (in that time period, being engaged and having sex with another person did count as adultery).

 

Quote:

Leviticus 19:27 - "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

If I recall rightly, Leviticus is addressed to the Levites, who served a particular religious and political function among the Israelites. So this is basically some ritual that probably had some symbolic meaning. Either way, harmless, and not intended for the general population.

Actually, Leviticus 19:1 is for the whole assembly of Israel, so basically the men were required specific haircuts. I think one reason is to give a sense of identity that was different than other people.

 

 

 

Quote:

Luke 19:27 - "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

It really annoys me to see people use this quote, because it demonstrates such laziness and lack of skepticism. You only have to read a few verses either side to see that this was part of a parable, not a direct command from Jesus to his followers. The part you quoted is Jesus quoting the king in his story.

Agreed! It is a parable where Jesus is quoting the king in a story. Now, some people say well Jesus is the king, but what they don't realize is that Jesus is not saying this is going to happen, but rather is giving a story to teach lessons. The lessons of the parable Jesus taught, accounted in Luke 19:11-27, include the following:

 

1. The Kingdom of Heaven is not going to appear at once, but it is a process.

2. Use your talents wisely with the wisdom you have.

3. God rewards responsibility, bravery, and loyalty as well as punishes laziness, cowardice, and unfaithfulness.

 

Now, it is possible that when Jesus comes back, he and his angels will kill people, but Jesus did not ever command his apostles/disciples to do that. That would be an interesting study about that. For Christians, the idea that God creates and kills is not bad. I personally have no problem erasing (killing) my pencil drawings, but get mad if another person dares erase without my permission. it's pretty much the same idea that God who is the Creator can create life and kill, same as an artist can create a picture and erase it if so desired.

 

Quote:

Isaiah 13:16 - "Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."

From a quick reading, this passage, while distasteful, appears to be an account of a prophecy, not a commandment to do as such.

Agreed. It is a prophecy that sadly came true. It's not a command to do. Prophecies just simply account what will happen before it happens.

 

I'm sorry to say that your reading level of the Bible appears to be at about a 2nd grade level. There are many valid criticisms to be made of it, but you haven't scored many hits here. My advice is to either look deeper, or refrain from commenting on things outside your sphere of knowledge.

I don't think it's bad at all to ask questions about hard passages in the Bible. It's important to, actually.

 

It's also important to study the cultural aspect and history of the people who wrote the manuscrips that collectively are called the Bible.

 

The Tanakh was written by the children of Israel, mostly for the children of Israel, concerning their history, traced from Adam till their Patriarchs (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel) with prophets including Moses, King David, and others who led the people. So, it is important to note that the Tanakh (which Christians call the Old Testament) is most definitely subjective in the accounting of the interactions of the descendants of Israel with God, with each other, and with other nations. However, the Tanakh is also objective in that it does not conceal horrible things that people did.

 

Concerning the commands in the Tanakh, it's important to note if and how cases were treated. For example, when King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, neither one were killed, nor did God require it. Why? God is Merciful. It's important to look at the case of repentance and forgiveness.

 

Concerning the New Testament or Christian Bible, it's important to note what exactly Jesus' commands are and how they differ from stories he tells to teach lessons.

 

The Bible is very interesting and good to study even if you don't believe it is true. Some Jewish people believe the Tanakh contains a lot of allegories, which is interesting. I personally believe the Tanakh is literal (with the exceptions of the artistic figures of speech that are not to be taken literally... many of the Psalms use beautiful figurative expressions that are not literal. I believe the Bible (both Old and New Testaments) contain God's Word as well as historic events.

 

 

Regardless of beliefs, history includes the writing of and the preservation of ancient documents. Studying both the history and cultural contexts of the Tanakh and the Christian Bible can be fascinating to many people!

Edited August 8, 2012 by BetheButterfly

[TheFinalWord]

 

There are Bible verses that are questionable. It is very good to ask questions about what they mean and why they were written. Asking questions can be done without insulting what others believe. One does not have to agree with the answers given, but respect can be mutually given even when disagreements happen.

 

Hey BeTheButterfly,

 

Thanks for your insightful post. I have tried a few times to start an honest dialogue about this topic. Maybe you will have better luck. The Old Testament was in a completely different context, time, and for a specific people. It takes a lot of time to study it correctly, especially if you want to get into the laws and customs. For modern Americans to cheapen with one liners and slanderous comments is quite shameful IMHO because it represents the history of a group of people, which quite frankly have suffered immense persecution. The least we owe them is an honest approach to their sacred writings IMHO. That's not to say we can't understand any of it. Israel was chosen by God to be a representative of His holiness on earth and to bring about the lineage of Jesus. Israel also stands as an eternal testament of God's power and covenant, even in the modern age (war of 1948 and continual strife in the Middle East which will bring about Christs' return). But when we modern Americans try to impose our current cultural context on these writings we should start with a more humble approach.

 

What you are seeing is either:

 

1) Someone honestly reading scripture out of context

 

2) Fishing for verses without reading them in context [The problem with that logic is that it assumes the original text contained verses. It did not. The verse numbering system was added in more modern times to make passages easier to locate. But the original text did not contain verse numbers.]

 

3) Going to websites and just copying and pasting. Some of the quote mining is so bad you have to wonder how anyone could come up with it on their own. I tried to show how this same thing can be done with the US constitution. I also tried to give them something that probably frustrates them as an analogy: explaining this is the same tactic young earth creationists use to "discredit" evolution. Quote mine scientific journals, which is not a fair approach.

 

4) Someone reading it in context, and does not agree with the interpretation. Can only occur if all evidence is examined. Christians are quite familiar with this approach b/c it's why there are denominations. However, while the central doctrines are indisputable among mainstream Christians, issues like free will/pre-destination, yom means 6 literal days or long time periods, water baptism submersion or sprinkling, etc. arise from various interpretations with the scripture taken in context.

 

The problem is only numbers one and four are honest. I have yet to see number four even remotely occur in these threads. The second two are using a pre-conceived bias to make the text say what they want it to say ("Gotcha journalism"). I cant' help but suspect they have a pre-conceived bias because they will also insert ad hominem attacks throughout their post. When someone mocks or uses insults it's a good sign they either don't know how to respond critically or they have a subjective bias.

 

And when I try to give them number 1 and assume it's an honest mistake (so we can eventually get to number 4 and have a real discussion) and show them that scripture must be taken consistently, they will say you're the virtual artful dodger. I've tried to do this, but maybe you will have more luck You'll also find that they will start with these verses, then when you try to show them how to take it consistently they'll say "the stories don't count".

 

The thing is the bible does contain hard passages to understand. Even Peter said some of the things Paul wrote were hard to understand.

 

"His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

 

If that's Peter, an apostle of Christ saying some scriptures are hard to understand, we should all take a humble approach

 

However, like Tyndale said "even a plow boy should understand the message of salvation".

 

Good luck!

Edited August 8, 2012 by TheFinalWord

[YellowShark]

I'm sorry to say that your reading level of the Bible appears to be at about a 2nd grade level. There are many valid criticisms to be made of it, but you haven't scored many hits here. My advice is to either look deeper, or refrain from commenting on things outside your sphere of knowledge.

 

I quoted scripture directly from the bible. I didn't make up a single word. Anyone is free to Google what I posted. I even gave the exact chapters and verse. And my reading level is at 2nd grade level. Hahahaha!

 

Nice Ad Hominem quickjoe, attack me if you wish. I have broad shoulders.

[TheFinalWord]

Its fine if you cant answer something, just say so instead of twisting things so you dont seem wrong. So my questions were important enough to be enagaged until I started getting to the point I set out to make.

 

We can't answer them. You win. God is a murderer and we are total scumbags for believing in Him. We can't defend ourselves or overcome your superior logic. Please if you can now show some respect and stay on topic with the OP, you have defeated your enemies. Please don't kick us while were down. Thanks!

[mercy]

Well actually my questions were engaged by others. It is only when they couldnt make sense of thier own beliefes or didnt want to make them look bad that they stopped answering. Its fine if you cant answer something, just say so instead of twisting things so you dont seem wrong. So my questions were important enough to be enagaged until I started getting to the point I set out to make.

 

Oh well you know us silly lil Christians all too well.

[mercy]

We can't answer them. You win. God is a murderer and we are total scumbags for believing in Him. We can't defend ourselves or overcome your superior logic. Please if you can now show some respect and stay on topic with the OP, you have defeated your enemies. Please don't kick us while were down. Thanks!

 

I'm going to lololololol no matter who I annoy!

[M30USA]

Just acknowldge that yes god killed people or ordered them killed in a way that society would never accept.

 

Society kills unborn children and it's accepted.

 

What society accepts or doesn't accept means nothing. God is holy and just. If he chooses to kill someone, he is holy and just in doing so.

[M30USA]

Well Ive never accepted abortion at all. I will gladly voice my opinion on that to believers or non believers, it doesnt matter. I hardly think you can put holy and kill in the same sentence like that. So you agree God is a mass murderer? Even if it was for a reason or to stop what might happen?

 

I will answer your question with a question of my own:

 

If someone was trying to kill an innocent baby and you killed them, would you be a murderer?

[TheFinalWord]

No. I wouldnt be.

 

Not trying to be sarcastic BG Just trying to find a way to call truce in this thread for the OP. I started a new thread on these types of topics. Hope you'll consider joining in. Peace.

[M30USA]

No. I wouldnt be.

 

If you wouldn't be a murderer for killing a person who is trying to kill a baby, then you are saying some killing is justified.

 

Why can't the same be true for God?

[M30USA]

Because nobody was in danger when alot of his killing took place. Moses leading his people through the Red Sea from Pharoes soldiers is acceptable. They would have most likely been slaughtered if caught. So God closed the gap. Flooding the world because too many people are corrupted doesnt go along with that, or killing homosexuals. Were they bad? Maybe. Were some of them probably the worst scum imaginable? Probably so. But all of them? Come on now. Women and children included. Just because you dont believe in that god or practice something he doesnt agree with doesnt mean you are protecting the world from them.

 

Also I wouldnt be a murdere if I stopped someone from trying to kill a baby and killed them in the process. I would be a murderer If I knew somebody was harming somebody and just went and killed them. Its two different things.

 

I get what you're saying. It does come down to a judgement call. Some killing is wrong, some is justified.

 

Here are some things you might not have known:

 

1) God didn't send the flood primarily because the earth was corrupt (even though it was). He sent the flood because of the widescale infiltration of Nephilim. The entire chapter in Genesis 6 before the flood centers around these Nephilim. Only Noah and his family was spared. Why? Well, it says 2 things about Noah in this context: 1) He was a just man, 2) He was "perfect in his generations". That last verse gets misunderstood. It refers to his physical origins, not his morality.

 

2) When God ordered Joshua to wipe out certain tribes in Canaan, it's highly noteworthy that he told them to kill every living thing--including animals. That should raise our eyebrows. You wouldn't believe the implications of this. All I can say is that it was definitely tied into a genetic phenomenon going on similar to the Flood, and animals were apparently involved.

 

3) When Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, there wasn't a single righteous person there--not even one.

[todreaminblue]

Hey to DreaminBlue, awesome testimony.

 

God hasn't forsaken you You do deserved to be saved.

 

I hope these messages encourages you

 

 

Charles Stanley - Wisdom for Life's Trials - YouTube

 

I'll pray for you!

 

 

thank you so much for your kind words and prayers I do appreciate your compassion.I have had the best day in a long time today and feel happy and reading what you posted made me smile.Again, and there is one more lol....thank you simply put, from me to you...I will check out the links you offered for me thankyou..deb

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3) When Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, there wasn't a single righteous person there--not even one.

 

"Righteous" persons. Wow. Makes my eyes roll when I hear talk like that. How do you know? Where you there? What kind of god murders anyways? I certainly wouldn't want to follow a murdering god. And I certainly wouldn't follow a god who damns people (see: gays) because of whom they choose to love.

 

Anyhow back to the OP. IMHO if people really think god... "creator of life, the universe, and everything.." answers their prayers then they should seek medical attention.