Anyones prayers answered?

[TheFinalWord]

Means nothing to me. The title of the thread is "Anyones prayers answered?" A bunch of delusional people claim yes god listens to them and answered their prayers. Ok... if you say so.

 

Meanwhile religious homophobia and anti-gay bigotry is *still* wrong. Doesn't matter if you claim God says so.

 

It is pure evil to discriminate based upon sexual preference. No matter what you post from someecards. I mean really, anti-gay bigotry should be treated no different from any other kind of bigotry.. like racism, anti-Semitism, sexism, or discrimination against disabled people.

 

I know it means nothing to you, just like respecting other people's opinions means nothing to you. That's why you shouldn't expect the same in return.

 

Poking a little fun, which you do non-stop. The point is this thread is about prayer yet you insist on taking every thread down to your straw man level. Your snide remarks and constant insults may appear brilliant to you, but it's not convincing anyone else. And it's making you appear much less rational and 1000x more immature than the slanderous labels you attach to people.

 

I have no issues with you giving your opinions. I'm all for free speech. But I can tell you you aren't going to have any productive dialogue if you insist on name calling and trolling every thread with the same, worn out one-liners.

 

If you insist on doing nothing but pumping out hateful comments, don't expect that same group to take your calls for stopping hate speech seriously. Since you won't read the bible, try reading Aesop's fable: the boy who cried wolf.

 

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Edited August 6, 2012 by TheFinalWord

[M30USA]

Means nothing to me. The title of the thread is "Anyones prayers answered?" A bunch of delusional people claim yes god listens to them and answered their prayers. Ok... if you say so.

 

Meanwhile religious homophobia and anti-gay bigotry is *still* wrong. Doesn't matter if you claim God says so.

 

It is pure evil to discriminate based upon sexual preference. No matter what you post from someecards. I mean really, anti-gay bigotry should be treated no different from any other kind of bigotry.. like racism, anti-Semitism, sexism, or discrimination against disabled people.

 

YellowShark,

 

You sure do claim to have a lot of knowledge by making such a bold claim that sexual perversion isn't evil. Where do you get such authority to say these things?

 

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: "Who is this that darkens my counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you will make it known to me. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurement--surely you know!"

 

-Job 38:1-5a

[YellowShark]

I know it means nothing to you, just like respecting other people's opinions means nothing to you. That's why you shouldn't expect the same in return.

 

When their "opinions" involve religious homophobia - which is nothing more than discrimination and bigotry - I don't have to respect that. I don't respect hate.

 

 

YellowShark,

 

You sure do claim to have a lot of knowledge by making such a bold claim that sexual perversion isn't evil. Where do you get such authority to say these things?

 

Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: "Who is this that darkens my counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you will make it known to me. Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurement--surely you know!"

 

-Job 38:1-5a

 

What is "peverted" is your hate. You quote from a ridiculous book of fables and use it to discriminate against human beings based upon whom they chose to love. Why is it your business who someone chooses to love? It's not.

 

You are no better than a white supremacist hating someone because of their skin color.

[Emilia]

When their "opinions" involve religious homophobia - which is nothing more than discrimination and bigotry - I don't have to respect that. I don't respect hate.

 

What is "peverted" is your hate. You quote from a ridiculous book of fables and use it to discriminate against human beings based upon whom they chose to love. Why is it your business who someone chooses to love? It's not.

You are no better than a white supremacist hating someone because of their skin color.

 

Yip. This is why organised religion - and very specifically Christianity - does nothing for me. I hate the hypocrisy of it, just like many atheists do who - in my opinion - often turn out to be more liberal and forgiving than many Christians. Wonder what Jesus would say? :laugh: The irony!

[M30USA]

homosexuality is wrong

 

Dont ever express your own opinion on sensitive issues. Simply quote Gods Word and leave it at that. This way it's not you they have beef with. People keep telling me to stop quoting the Bible, etc, etc. Nope. I will keep on quoting the Bible so that it doesn't become personal.

[quankanne]

Can a parent kill their child? yes, they can. Abortion is legal in this country. Next question?

 

Yip. This is why organised religion - and very specifically Christianity - does nothing for me. I hate the hypocrisy of it, just like many atheists do who - in my opinion - often turn out to be more liberal and forgiving than many Christians. Wonder what Jesus would say? The irony! I imagine he's shaking his head in disbelief that someone who claims moral superiority for his/her non-belief is gloating about it. Because then, it makes that person just as bad as the person they despise for *their* attitude of superiority. But that's just MY take on it.

[M30USA]

When their "opinions" involve religious homophobia - which is nothing more than discrimination and bigotry - I don't have to respect that. I don't respect hate.

 

 

 

 

What is "peverted" is your hate. You quote from a ridiculous book of fables and use it to discriminate against human beings based upon whom they chose to love. Why is it your business who someone chooses to love? It's not.

 

You are no better than a white supremacist hating someone because of their skin color.

 

WhiteShark,

 

Who determines what is right and wrong? I want a serious answer from you. If you say "nobody" or "there is no right or wrong", then what about murder? Surely murder must be wrong. Obviously. But why? Who determines that murder is wrong? Who determines that anything is wrong? If murder is wrong, what about other things? Who decides this? If you take a utilitarian approach and say that "wrong" is simply whatever harms society and "good" is whatever benefits society, then you have officially taken it upon yourself to declare what is right and wrong--and have thus elevated yourself to position of God.

 

So answer me: who determines what is right and wrong?

[TheFinalWord]

When their "opinions" involve religious homophobia - which is nothing more than discrimination and bigotry - I don't have to respect that. I don't respect hate..

 

I'm not saying you should. I'm just saying that if you are going to use hate as a weapon yourself, you can't expect others to change or see your perspective on hate. Hate begets hate and in that regard, you are your own worst enemy.

 

So why is it ok in the bible to murder homosexuals or oreder the murder of homosexuals? Your answer will probably be because its God and he can do whatever he wants. That is absolutely not good enough in any way.

 

BG,

 

Glad to hear that about abortion!

 

It is not okay to murder homosexuals. This is what I mean when you take something from the bible 100% out of context, then when someone tries to show you biblically why your claim is not valid you say the bible doesn't count. Do you really think that is an honest approach?

 

The bible doesn't ONLY talk about one kind of sexual sin. It talks about all kinds. In fact adultery was punishable by death. When Joseph found out Mary was pregnant out of wedlock he was so concerned about this he made plans to sneak her away for fear of her life.

 

Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death."

 

 

How do I know how to understand the verses that talk about killing homosexuals and adultery (also traitors, false prophets, and a bunch of other categories)? The same way Christ dealt with the law to condemn adulterers to death by stoning. Ironically, your argument is exactly the same as the religious leaders of Jesus' time. Just like back then, this false claim is used to trap Christians in their words. But it doesn't work b/c a cursory glance at Christ's teachings disputes it. You can't just take the bible literally, you have to also take it consistently.

 

Christ answered it thousands of years ago, which is why Christians already know the answer and don't wrestle with the verses you describe.

 

Here is a good overview:

 

Why do Christians not obey the Old Testaments commands to kill homosexuals and disobedient children? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

 

If you are going to argue the bible commands Christians kill homosexuals you are going to have to do more research because the bible itself contradicts your claims.

 

Example 1.

 

1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11 “No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

 

 

Example 2.

 

This woman admitted to fornication. Did Jesus kill her?

 

He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.” "I have no husband,” she replied.

Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

 

 

Example 3.

 

 

Christ used the recompense of a prostitute to demonstrate love.

 

When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume. 38 As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”

40 Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”

“Tell me, teacher,” he said.

41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,and the other fifty. 42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”

43 Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”

“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.

44 Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”

 

 

So I hope this clears things up. The bible does not justify us to hate anyone or kill anyone. In fact the bible says to even have hate in your heart for a brother is equivalent to murder in God's eyes. The standards set in the Old Testament have a specific context and those were addressed by Jesus and the apostles. So there is no confusion among Christians...hate groups like KKK can claim Christ if they want, but they are 100% false. I hope you also realize that when you accuse people of wanting to kill another group that is a very hurtful thing to say. I would never say that about you I feel bad just killing an insect in my house. I would never kill another human being unless my wife or kids was in mortal danger and I had to do so out of self-defense. If it was just me, I probably would just take it and tell them about Jesus and forgive them before my last breath.

Edited August 7, 2012 by TheFinalWord

[M30USA]

Lets try this. Answer this question for me. Yes or no answer please.

 

Did God kill or order anybody killed?

 

Yes, and I'm assuming you're referring to when he ordered the armies of Joshua to annihilate numerous Canaanite tribes?

 

The explanation for why God did this is so unbelievable to people, even most Christians, that it opens up a whole other debate. But I will gladly oblige you if you truly want to know what the Bible says.

[M30USA]

And so knwing that God is murderer you still worship him? Again yes or no answer.

 

Short answer:

 

If God didn't annihilate specific Canaanite tribes, then there would have been no messiah Jesus Christ hundreds of years later and all of humanity would have been under the dominion of Satan. I can give you the details of why if you really want. But God said there would be a messiah, and God wouldn't be made into a liar. Cruel? That's your perspective. But you might not know about God.

[TheFinalWord]

Lets try this. Answer this question for me. Yes or no answer please.

 

Did God kill or order anybody killed?

 

Yes, and we both know there is a context for it as well as further teachings from Christ about Mosaic law. My point is that if you going to extract just one verse from the bible you are not reading it accurately and your claims we are not consistent are false.

 

I also asked you a question and tried to give you a little bit of reading.

 

I also ask you to answer mine; please return the favor

 

Do you think it is rationale and honest when you take something from the bible 100% out of context, then when someone tries to show you biblically why your claim is not valid you say the bible doesn't count. Yes or no please.

[M30USA]

So why even create the Canaanite tribes in the first place? It just makes absolutely no sense. You are obligated by your beliefes to try and make sense of it or justify it but you know as well as I do murder is murder and to worship a murder in insane. Im glad society doesnt think like your god.

 

BlackGetsuga,

 

Read the parable of the weeds, told by Jesus:

Matthew 13:24-43 NIV - The Parable of the Weeds - Jesus told - Bible Gateway

[sally4sara]

I use to pray and sometimes what I prayed for, I got. Other times what I prayed for, I didn't get. People in my church would tell me it when I didn't get what I prayed for that god had a different plan.

 

I don't pray anymore. I do hope for certain outcomes. Sometimes what I hope for, I get. Other times what I hope for, I don't get. The result is the same. Only now no one tells me I didn't get what I wanted because someone else felt they knew better or a bunch of people telling me how I should live my life.

 

To have the same result free of people blaming a deity for wanting something else and nosing into my business, telling me I'm wrong all the time I feel is an improvement.

[TheFinalWord]

So why even create the Canaanite tribes in the first place? It just makes absolutely no sense. You are obligated by your beliefes to try and make sense of it or justify it but you know as well as I do murder is murder and to worship a murder in insane. Im glad society doesnt think like your god.

 

There is also the matter of free will, but that is another discussion. I would also say that I am glad you don't control the government. If your brand of justice is to accuse and slander an entire group of people without hearing a case and weighing the facts objectively that is way worse than anything in the bible. Even that basic decency was provided under Mosaic Law.

[TheFinalWord]

No I dont think that is right. But I am not doing that. Please tell me exactly what I have taken out of context? It doesnt matter if there was areason for mudrder or that murder made something better. Its still murder.

 

Well please see my response to you a page or so back about this issue of killing homosexuals and the bible. I wanted to have a honest dialogue about it. Not to change your mind but to show you that Christians don't support that claim (some fringe group of racists might, but not mainstream) and there is a reason for it that is much deeper than what you said.

 

I have pretty much said all I can think to say on this bibilcally. Here is my personal opinion. I am a Christian and don't support murdering homosexuals and I don't see it in the bible that I'm supposed to, at all. I have gay friends and they know I'm a Christian and have never accused me of that. In fact a gay guy gave me really good advice about a medical condition I have and I owe him my life, even medical docs didn't think of it. Another gay friend got me my first promotion at work. None of them have accused me of hating them or wanting to kill them b/c I'm a Christian. Not sure if that matters to you, but I get slightly hurt b/c I would never wish ill on them. This is America and I support their rights. If you want to accuse me of the virtual artful dodger, okay. I have studies the scriptures a long time and don't see that it tells me to kill anyone. Not sure what else to say. Peace <><

[TheFinalWord]

So that would mean you disagree with God then.

 

No, this is exactly what I mean about the way you discuss the bible BG. I gave an explanation a page or so back. Hope it helps!

[YellowShark]

Dont ever express your own opinion on sensitive issues. Simply quote Gods Word and leave it at that. This way it's not you they have beef with. People keep telling me to stop quoting the Bible, etc, etc. Nope. I will keep on quoting the Bible so that it doesn't become personal.

 

Ok. Let's quote from the bible...

 

Matthew 5:29 - If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away.

 

Huh? gouge my eye out? Uhhh... no thanks.

 

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 - "If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death;"

 

Stone to death the rapist AND rape victim? Uhhh.. that's a little extreme. Sorry.

 

Leviticus 19:27 - "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

 

I bet you shave and cut your hair M30USA. Why, you're a sinner!!!

 

Luke 19:27 - "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

 

Uh. No thanks Jesus. And yes.. that quote is attributed to Jesus.

 

Isaiah 13:16 - "Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."

 

Killing children? Raping wives? Wow.

 

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 - If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known; Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."

 

Kill you own brother, son, daughter, wife or your closest friend should they decide to leave the faith? Yup. All these things are in the bible.

 

 

This is where I will get run out of this thread by the townsfolk waving their pitchforks upon high!

[TheFinalWord]

Your god believes all homosexuals should be put to death. You dont believe that as you have stated. How is that not disagreeing with god? You dont give explanations directly to my questions. You have not answered a question directly yet. You go off on another subject, and thats fine if it supports the original argument. Insstead you just start quoting and ignore the original question and subject and start talking about the more positive things.

 

Hey BG,

 

I provided on page 8 a full explanation to your response. I didn't ignore you, I answered everything you asked. I feel like you won't fully address my points, but just reduce it back down to one-liners.

 

Like I said you can't just extract one scripture to fit your pre-conceived bias. You have to take scripture consistently. For some reason you didn't feel obliged to respond directly to my points and three examples I provided.

 

I am not talking about positive or negative anything. I am giving you the facts about it from the bible: objective. I did that on page 8. I can give more if that doesn't suffice. In that explanation I didn't even get into the old and new covenants, but the apostles unyoked the gentiles (anyone that is not of Jewish descent) from Mosaic Law. So you're putting a lot of emphasis on something the apostles settled for us 2,000 years ago.

 

Acts 15 NIV - The Council at Jerusalem - Certain - Bible Gateway

 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=galatians%202&version=NIV

Edited August 7, 2012 by TheFinalWord

[TheFinalWord]

What you keep doing is giving me examples of something other than what I originally asked or you tell me how it was condemed later on in some way. That doesnt make the original instances right at all. You have not givena single thought of your own yet. You just continue quote and point to stories. Thats like a muslim extremist asked why he is a murderer and terrorist and answering with his twisted view of the quran. And thats not saying at all you or your religion is violent.

 

ha okay, like I said you start with the bible, I show you your exegetical errors then you say the bible doesn't count. Interesting.

 

Why would you even compare my response to you as a Muslim terrorist? Do you think that is an honest tactic? Would you like if I compared your logic to communist Chairman Mao? So thanks for the kind words! Why don't you keep telling us how you are holier than thou and continue to slander and compare me to the worst kind of terrorist on the planet (ad hominems don't count as evidence any more than straw men).

 

Okay, since you won't listen to me, why don't you speak to a local Rabbi. Replying to you is killing my data limit Peace out!

[todreaminblue]

Has anyone ever had their prayers answered? Have you witnessed any miracles with or without prayer that you believe was the work of god? My life hasnt been well at all the past few months. Ive become much more depressed and miserable. I completly lost myself and I feel i need god the most at this time.

 

 

God or jesus have held my hand at many a point in my life.I think god told em which religion to follow by sending me the peaceful feeling I get in times of high stress and trouble.God has given me a release from pain on many occasion he protects me from feeling anything because I don't and have not felt pain when I should have, my pain threshhold is extremely high. Another miracle my grandfather died and he came to me when i was very young in a dream surrounded by light and he was well again with a full head of hair, he told me not to worry anymore I would be with him one day and he will see me again and he looked at me with such love and affection I knew back then there was god and the son of god.I felt protected and that dream gave me strength to endure what followed.

 

I have not felt protected lately and I know why.I have contemplated suicide and the spirit leaves me because I know that is a not enduring to the end if I decide when that end will be.I feel everything, all the pain all the turmoil .I need to talk to my bishop I know in my heart that god wants me to.I procrastinate, because I don't know if I deserve to be saved or even if I want to sometimes.I am not the one who can answer that question at the moment..But god giving me the answer before he left me cold, was I needed to speak, he left me conflicted and alone and that made me ill.That to me is a miracle, he knows my heart and what I am supposed to do and when I have the love of god and his son in my heart I am warm and feel understood and confident about my future.MY miracle.

Edited August 8, 2012 by todreaminblue

[todreaminblue]

That is not self defense at all. A soldier does not HAVE to kill, he chooses to. And I have nothing agaisnt soldiers, Im just going along with what your book states.

 

 

 

A true soldier does not kill with hate in his heart.He kills for the love of people he protects that which he has left behind to fight the war, those thoughts are in his mind, just as God did when he parted the waters to protect his flock and swallowed the army behind his fleeing flock.It is for love not hate or destruction that war and death are necessary evils.

[TheFinalWord]

God or jesus have held my hand at many a point in my life.I think god told em which religion to follow by sending me the peaceful feeling I get in times of high stress and trouble.God has given me a release from pain on many occasion he protects me from feeling anything because I don't and have not felt pain when I should have, my pain threshhold is extremely high. Another miracle my grandfather died and he came to me when i was very young in a dream surrounded by light and he was well again with a full head of hair, he told me not to worry anymore I would be with him one day and he will see me again and he looked at me with such love and affection I knew back then there was god and the son of god.I felt protected and that dream gave me strength to endure what followed.

 

I have not felt protected lately and I know why.I have contemplated suicide and the spirit leaves me because I know that is a not enduring to the end if I decide when that end will be.I feel everything, all the pain all the turmoil .I need to talk to my bishop I know in my heart that god wants me to.I procrastinate, because I don't know if I deserve to be saved or even if I want to sometimes.I am not the one who can answer that question at the moment..But god giving me the answer before he left me cold, was I needed to speak, he left me conflicted and alone and that made me ill.That to me is a miracle, he knows my heart and what I am supposed to do and when I have the love of god and his son in my heart I am warm and feel understood and confident about my future.MY miracle.

 

Hey to DreaminBlue, awesome testimony.

 

God hasn't forsaken you You do deserved to be saved.

 

I hope these messages encourages you

 

 

Charles Stanley - Wisdom for Life's Trials - YouTube

 

I'll pray for you!

[todreaminblue]

If six million Jews--supposedly "god's chosen people"--could not pray their way out of the gas chambers and ovens, suffice it to say that that should be enough evidence to show the non-scientist that prayers don't get answered. I am aware that it is said that "prayer" sometimes seems to make a difference in individual cases of illness but that is a dangerous conclusion to draw. It may be true that human beings possess powers we don't understand and concentration of solemn wishes for an improvement in health by a number of people may somehow translate into some kind of healing energy. But make no mistake, in order for prayer in the traditional judeo-christian sense to be answered, the very laws and constants of physics in nature must be suspended for intervention by a manipulating being. That may not sound like much of a stretch for a believer. But they tend to blot out the rest of the world and see their interest as the center of the cosmos. What if prayers were answered for other people? The laws and constants of physics in nature would constantly be being temporarily suspended for divine intervention. Society would never even exist if constants and natures could not be prevailed upon to indeed be constants and physical laws.

 

The notion of prayer and answers to prayers is what is called "anthropocentrism"--meaning you see yourself or we human beings as the reason the rest of the universe exists. The evidence that this is not so is abundantly clear. The universe has existed three times longer than our solar system has existed. That's at least 8 billion years of other plants, stars, galaxies and whatnot doing whatever they do before the accident happened that caused our sun to come into existence and the plants to congeal around it. It there's a creating god who needs tribute and prayers to stay motivated to care about individual human beings, isn't that a bit long to let things just knock around until people evolved from pond scum? A big enough solar storm could blow the atmosphere of Earth out into space and us with it and the greater universe will not register one iota of care that we came or went. It will go on being what it has been for time beyond our comprehension. Prayer is nothing to anything but the person who engages in it. There just aren't anythings or anyone anywhere to hear much less answer. That's not to say their is nothing potentially positive in the processes of benevolent meditation and solemn invocation of positive energy.

 

 

Atrocities commited against man are not the fault of god.The atrocities committed against brothers and sisters are committed by man and man can be held responsible for those atrocities.

 

God cannot be held responsible as there will be judgement day for men who commit vile acts against humankind.God is all loving.

God is pure love, a just love, a righteous love, the perfect love.God is not a pushover and will be just in his decisions, there are no blessings or acceptance for atrocities against those that God loves.That is my thoughts on God and his perfection, and in his creating perfection in humanity.Which ultimately humans made the choice, or chose to exercise free will, to be imperfect from the beginning of humanity.Again this is not Gods fault in my mind.

[M30USA]

And when he murdered the first born sons who was he protecting?

When he flooded the world and killed who knows how many who was he protecting?

Who was he protecting when he destroyed Sodom and Gomrrah?

 

 

The answer is none at all. It was because he simply didnt like them and they didnt do what he wanted. Hmmm, Sadam did the same thing.

 

You asked specificially if God ordered humans to kill, not if God killed himself.

[M30USA]

Here was my question a few pages ago.

 

I didn't see you write that.

 

God doesn't just kill. He doesn't even kill all the time to prevent bad things from happening. Obviously there are many bad people he doesn't kill at all. But when he kills, it's always related to some event where his Word, his prophecy, or his Name is being tampered...or where he needs to preserve himself from being made out to be a liar. For example, when the firstborn were killed, God did give them ample warning, and it was because his will was being directly opposed. When God destroyed Soddom and Gomorrah, it does say there was not even a single righteous person in the city. When God destroyed the world with the Flood, it was a similar situation to why he ordered Joshua to destroy the tribes of Canaan: because there were Nephilim in the land, who were genetic offspring of human women and angels (hard to believe but it's biblical).