Taramere Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I pity your future SO. She will be criticized to the level of emotional abuse, figuratively chained in the basement. Hard bitch to misogynists and sweet to others. We're always hearing about those magical days of yore when women were soft, precious creatures who were so treasured and respected by men. And yet.... Shocking Sexism Vintage Ads | PlanetOddity.com If old fashioned femininity is really such a valued thing, I wonder why it is that women were so openly mocked and derided in times gone by. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gulf-Delta Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 We're always hearing about those magical days of yore when women were soft, precious creatures who were so treasured and respected by men. And yet.... Shocking Sexism Vintage Ads | PlanetOddity.com If old fashioned femininity is really such a valued thing, I wonder why it is that women were so openly mocked and derided in times gone by. These Modern Ads Are Even More Sexist Than Their 'Mad Men' Era Counterparts - Business Insider Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 These Modern Ads Are Even More Sexist Than Their 'Mad Men' Era Counterparts - Business Insider So women aren't respected now, any more than they were respected back then. With the mainstreaming of porn, there's an added sado-masochistic edge to it. Is that the message? What I take away from it is that irrespective of how women behave, they will be perceived and portrayed in insulting ways by certain elements. One element of being harder is that certain people's opinions matter less and less to you. If the scenario is that however you behave you will be disrespected on the basis of your gender, then the opinion of the people buying into that "women should be disrespected in all circumstances" mentality is best placed permanently in a box marked irrelevant....with female softness and empathy being reserved strictly for those who are genuinely capable of appreciating it (and who provide something better than condescension in return). 5 Link to post Share on other sites
RedRobin Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 ....with female softness and empathy being reserved strictly for those who are genuinely capable of appreciating it Reposted for emphasis... 2 Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Shocking Sexism Vintage Ads | PlanetOddity.com "Indoors, women are useful - even pleasant" <falls off chair laughing> But here's one that's hard to argue with: "Married? No reason to neglect stockings!" Amen, brother. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 "Indoors, women are useful - even pleasant" Apparently not, if the douche product ads are anything to go by. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
threebyfate Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Apparently not, if the douche product ads are anything to go by.Love the double-entendré! Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Apparently not, if the douche product ads are anything to go by. I admit, some of the vintage ads struck me as funny as hell (my sense of humor is not for everyone). Others struck me as outrageously cruel. The modern ads seem to be trying to reach an audience I can't identify with, neither funny nor particularly cruel, just banal and base. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 This attitude is typical of modern American women, and I wonder if they realize how off putting it is. Especially sarcasm - so unfeminine. It makes me automatically put them in the "only good for one thing" category. Yikes! We better shape up, ladies, or Bob_Funk will put us in the "only good for one thing" category! What a chilling threat! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I am going to go douche with Lysol now, so my husband doesn't "shut me out" due to "intimate negligence." I hope it does not completely corrode my vagina. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 This has caused me to do some serious investigation about the truth in comparison to what we are told on TV. Well, that's very good. It's a step in the right direction when you move away from what you see on television as your source for all truth. Continue on your path to enlightenment! Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Yikes! We better shape up, ladies, or Bob_Funk will put us in the "only good for one thing" category! What a chilling threat! Then there are those of us who appreciate artful sarcasm. And stockings. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Then there are those of us who appreciate artful sarcasm. And stockings. Thank goodness! Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I admit, some of the vintage ads struck me as funny as hell (my sense of humor is not for everyone). Others struck me as outrageously cruel. The modern ads seem to be trying to reach an audience I can't identify with, neither funny nor particularly cruel, just banal and base. It's kind of like that old "woman being fed through the meatgrinder" picture Hustler featured. Not violent in the same way, of course....but there's a similarity with regard to the calculated objectification. I don't understand how so many men out there have difficulty understanding why so many women harden their hearts in response to seeing misogyny everywhere. There are guys on the internet who salivate at the notion of society breaking down, and single women getting gang-raped....and we're supposed to remain open-hearted and trusting, not knowing which men we speak to might have be harbouring those kinds of dark thoughts. It's real, GT, and it makes the ads a whole lot less funny. I know I sound like Ms Woggle here...but there's real hatred out there for women. It's couched in terms of "if only you'd be less X or more Y we wouldn't hate you"....but that's just not true. In countries where women are extremely submissive, the hatred doesn't lessen. It's more intense if anything. Under the circumstances, I think most of us do reasonably well in terms of remaining fairly soft-hearted and peaceful. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Lonely Ronin Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I Just don't see the hardness, if anything I think women are softer now. My mothers generation was harder than mine, and I think my grandmothers generation was even harder. Link to post Share on other sites
NXS Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Of course, it REALLY comes out on online dating sites...the "tone" at which these profiles are written are quite off putting, and increasing in numbers. One woman was like, "I like a man who is tall and fit, so basically, if it looks like I can kick your ass, I probably wouldn't be interested." The "I'm better than you profile" - Now....why not say, "I just like a man who is tall and fit" don't throw in that last part. "Don't email me again, if you already emailed before and I didn't respond....take the hint!" The Defensive profile - "I have my own job, and pay my OWN bills" Yeah...so? What's you're point. Stuff like that. Seems profiles are more oozing with sarcasm and condescension. I'm sure BOTH sexes do it, but in some of the profile reviews of sites, apparently women can get away with it more so than men. As if the women had the right to *itch about stuff...while with men it's considered "negative" I have to agree with you, I've only recently looked into OLD and the amount of obnoxious profiles and taglines was a real eye-opener for me. I was actually shocked at the crudeness of them. Do they really need to say things like "if you're only interested in sex then don't bother" or "no game players" or "I'm here for a fun time not for a long time" or "you know what you want" etc.... The photos were the same, a lot of women strutting in an obnoxious arrogant manner regardless of how good looking they were or weren't (not that it really makes much difference). Full of fake, obnoxious, entitled whores. Link to post Share on other sites
todreaminblue Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 When I say "soft" I mean in demenaor. Me and my male friend had been talking about some women in our social circle. Like there's this one, that always showing off or trying to prove herself at certain events involving physical activity of any sort. She's kind of a "poser", and it seems she needs approval of her peers. Another one he knows personally, she's part of his social circle (not mine) is part of his group, but had seen her profile online...he had known her for a while through the events, but he says she can be a bit abrasive in conversation....even though she is relatively nice...she can be a bit "gruff" Of course, it REALLY comes out on online dating sites...the "tone" at which these profiles are written are quite off putting, and increasing in numbers. One woman was like, "I like a man who is tall and fit, so basically, if it looks like I can kick your ass, I probably wouldn't be interested." The "I'm better than you profile" - Now....why not say, "I just like a man who is tall and fit" don't throw in that last part. "Don't email me again, if you already emailed before and I didn't respond....take the hint!" The Defensive profile - "I have my own job, and pay my OWN bills" Yeah...so? What's you're point. Stuff like that. Seems profiles are more oozing with sarcasm and condescension. I'm sure BOTH sexes do it, but in some of the profile reviews of sites, apparently women can get away with it more so than men. As if the women had the right to *itch about stuff...while with men it's considered "negative" Women who are soft, get used up, that's fact ....so i think it shows the sign of the times for both males and females(in the dating scene) not just females and the way they portray themselves... it is a lot more common to get taken advantage on line and I think yes women should be soft but not to the point where they become vulnerable the same goes for men..... A man has to have some softness too, not just all drag the girl by the hair back to the cave and do the mambo.....softness should be seen in people who are dating and honesty about who you really are is up there too it helps, in the long run, you end up with the right person if you let yourself be who you are....doesn't mean compromising vulnerability though, that comes when you know someone isn't going to take advantage of that show of vulnerability....deb Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 It's kind of like that old "woman being fed through the meatgrinder" picture Hustler featured. Not violent in the same way, of course....but there's a similarity with regard to the calculated objectification. I don't understand how so many men out there have difficulty understanding why so many women harden their hearts in response to seeing misogyny everywhere. There are guys on the internet who salivate at the notion of society breaking down, and single women getting gang-raped....and we're supposed to remain open-hearted and trusting, not knowing which men we speak to might have be harbouring those kinds of dark thoughts. It's real, GT, and it makes the ads a whole lot less funny. I know I sound like Ms Woggle here...but there's real hatred out there for women. It's couched in terms of "if only you'd be less X or more Y we wouldn't hate you"....but that's just not true. In countries where women are extremely submissive, the hatred doesn't lessen. It's more intense if anything. Under the circumstances, I think most of us do reasonably well in terms of remaining fairly soft-hearted and peaceful. I'm not sure if I understand all of the dynamics at play, but just looking around LS, even this thread, I can't argue with anything you've said. And it explains why the "stockings" thing fell pretty flat, in context. Link to post Share on other sites
threebyfate Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I'm not sure if I understand all of the dynamics at play, but just looking around LS, even this thread, I can't argue with anything you've said. And it explains why the "stockings" thing fell pretty flat, in context.Don't ever become one of "them" GT since sperm backed up to the brain erodes on the ability to be a rational, balanced, compassionate human being. Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Don't ever become one of "them" GT since sperm backed up to the brain erodes on the ability to be a rational, balanced, compassionate human being. I'm too old to be anything but the sarcastic and irreverant dick I've been for years. Who has put his sperm to work in much more productive ways. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I'm not sure if I understand all of the dynamics at play, but just looking around LS, even this thread, I can't argue with anything you've said. And it explains why the "stockings" thing fell pretty flat, in context. I think these types moderate themselves on LS in a bid to stay around that bit longer. Link to post Share on other sites
M30USA Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I for one would love to hear about your 'investigations,' what sources you've used etc. Please enlighten us, you social scientist you. Um...please refrain from ad hominems... Here are some stats: When domestic violence is not mutual (ie, when there is only one perpetrator), the perpetrator is the woman in 70% of cases. Source: Center for Disease Control & Prevent (US Government). Go to their website. That's the easiest one for me to find. I'm still trying to track down where I saw the other one. I need to correct myself. Domestic violence is on the rise with both men and women. When I said it's increased for women and decreased for men in last 10 years, what I meant is that the rate of increase has decreased for men; while the rate of increase has increased for women. I know that's confusing so maybe read it again to catch the phrasing. I am trying to get the source. Peace. Link to post Share on other sites
Imajerk17 Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) When I say "soft" I mean in demenaor. Me and my male friend had been talking about some women in our social circle. Like there's this one, that always showing off or trying to prove herself at certain events involving physical activity of any sort. She's kind of a "poser", and it seems she needs approval of her peers. Another one he knows personally, she's part of his social circle (not mine) is part of his group, but had seen her profile online...he had known her for a while through the events, but he says she can be a bit abrasive in conversation....even though she is relatively nice...she can be a bit "gruff" Of course, it REALLY comes out on online dating sites...the "tone" at which these profiles are written are quite off putting, and increasing in numbers. One woman was like, "I like a man who is tall and fit, so basically, if it looks like I can kick your ass, I probably wouldn't be interested." The "I'm better than you profile" - Now....why not say, "I just like a man who is tall and fit" don't throw in that last part. "Don't email me again, if you already emailed before and I didn't respond....take the hint!" The Defensive profile - "I have my own job, and pay my OWN bills" Yeah...so? What's you're point. Stuff like that. Seems profiles are more oozing with sarcasm and condescension. I'm sure BOTH sexes do it, but in some of the profile reviews of sites, apparently women can get away with it more so than men. As if the women had the right to *itch about stuff...while with men it's considered "negative" Well actually, as someone who does OLD, it's fairly rare that I see a profile like the ones you described. Location and the site you use play a big part of it though. As far as site goes, all of the profiles that I recall seeing that were like what you mentioned above were on POF. I cannot recall seeing a single such profile on Match though. As far as location, so many of the profiles where I live--a fairly small town--are cliche-ridden and are written by women who, going by their profile, seem to be about their 9--5 job during the week and then partying with friends and rooting for their favorite sports team on the weekends. In the big city 40 miles away, the profiles are far more carefully written and reveal someone who has a wider range of interests. irc, you seem to live in a location where the small number of single eligible women out there are being hounded by many more aggressive dudes. Maybe the frustration these women feel is reflected in their profiles. Anyway, it's not like that everywhere. I can't see your dating life improve unless you stop complaining and move. Edited August 10, 2012 by Imajerk17 Link to post Share on other sites
veggirl Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 There aren't many women that I see on this board that will acknowledge man-hating etc. Likewise, there aren't many men that will acknowledge woman-hating etc. So why ffs do we have to have this thread AGAINNNNNN. gaah. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 There aren't many women that I see on this board that will acknowledge man-hating etc. Likewise, there aren't many men that will acknowledge woman-hating etc. So why ffs do we have to have this thread AGAINNNNNN. gaah. My sentiments exactly. Link to post Share on other sites
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