Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 DY The problem is that from what I've seen you post you want men to feel attraction for women exactly the way women feel attraction for men. That's just not how it works. Men and women are different. It is not something that can be changed and it is not something that should be changed. I'm not sure that I agree Bad. But if you could explain what you mean, I'm open to it. Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 because caring about status is far more noble and deep than caring about appearance? Who said I cared about status? Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Who said I cared about status? Who said I was specifically talking about you? Or are you going to pretend that women don't care about status in general? Is that how ugly, old and boring celebrities have sex with supermodel quality women? Because women don't care about status right? :rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I don't think it's nonsense. It seems when it comes to using a hole aka sex in manspeak guys have pretty low standards. However when it comes to dating & relationships guys only pursue the most attractive and are willing to settle for a lesser attractive gal as a consolation prize they don't want but will have to make do. Exactly. Then they spend the rest of their time filling in the gaps with fantasy imagery of women. And the woman they "settled" for is suppose to be happy with the scraps he throws her way. Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Who said I was specifically talking about you? Or are you going to pretend that women don't care about status in general? Is that how ugly, old and boring celebrities have sex with supermodel quality women? Because women don't care about status right? :rolleyes: Meant to add to this post this picture - http://acidcow.com/pics/20100419/hot_chicks_and_rich_guys_04.jpg Yea women don't care about status Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Exactly. Then they spend the rest of their time filling in the gaps with fantasy imagery of women. And the woman they "settled" for is suppose to be happy with the scraps he throws her way. More male-hating bullsh*t You know I can say the same delusional garbage about women and their obsession with Hollywood celebs right? Oh wait, I forgot men in real life are all 6'3, model face, fit body and have 50 million dollars like Hollywood Celebs do Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Who said I was specifically talking about you? Or are you going to pretend that women don't care about status in general? Is that how ugly, old and boring celebrities have sex with supermodel quality women? Because women don't care about status right? :rolleyes: Your eye muscles must be fabulous! I think I mistakeningy thought you were talking about me because you quoted me when you said that. I do think there are women that care about status. I just see much more disatisfaction amoung average men seeking beauty then I do around average women seeking status. I think most average women, mature and wake up and realize that other things are important. When I was younger, I certainly was way more easily titilated by status in a man. But after dating some of those guys, you realize that they are just people and they aren't always people that even treat you right. Their money and status may make their life easier but it doesn't automatically make it better. I don't see that same level of growth from a wider pool of men. I see a lot of men that well into their 60s, over idolize beauty in women. And it's funny because when this topic comes up and you hear a woman talk about her guy, she will usually make comments about how she is more attracted to him, then Brad Pitt. She has a certain sense of loyatly. But when you hear men talk, alot of guys talk about how Megan Fox is much hotter then their own partners or they talk about how they need variety. Of course, this is when someone else steps in and talks about how men are "biologically programmed" to spread their seed and blah, blah, blah. Doesn't really matter if a man is biologically programmed for something or not. It still leaves a woman in the same disadvantegous spot to begin with. With her being second potatoes. Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Meant to add to this post this picture - http://acidcow.com/pics/20100419/hot_chicks_and_rich_guys_04.jpg Yea women don't care about status And that man doesn't care about her youth and beauty........... looks like you made both our points. Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 More male-hating bullsh*t You know I can say the same delusional garbage about women and their obsession with Hollywood celebs right? Oh wait, I forgot men in real life are all 6'3, model face, fit body and have 50 million dollars like Hollywood Celebs do It's not male-hating to point out weaknesses in one gender over the other. This term really gets over-used on internet forums whenever someone doesn't like what someone else is saying. I actually think that our culture's obession with Hollywood celebs is terrible. It's really reached an epic point of ridiculousness. Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I do think there are women that care about status. I just see much more disatisfaction amoung average men seeking beauty then I do around average women seeking status. I think most average women, mature and wake up and realize that other things are important. When I was younger, I certainly was way more easily titilated by status in a man. But after dating some of those guys, you realize that they are just people and they aren't always people that even treat you right. Their money and status may make their life easier but it doesn't automatically make it better. I don't see that same level of growth from a wider pool of men. I see a lot of men that well into their 60s, over idolize beauty in women. Where is your proof for this? Your male hating opinions don't. You're just talking out of your ass as usual Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 And that man doesn't care about her youth and beauty........... looks like you made both our points. Yep, but who is the one here saying that both genders are about equally shallow and who is the one who is constantly engaging in male hating garbage and pretending like men are the only ones who have the capacity to be shallow? I did make my point It's not male-hating to point out weaknesses in one gender over the other. This term really gets over-used on internet forums whenever someone doesn't like what someone else is saying. I actually think that our culture's obession with Hollywood celebs is terrible. It's really reached an epic point of ridiculousness. Weaknesses in 1 gender my ass. This is you right here - "I can't believe how women are objectified in James Bond movies. Meanwhile I'm going to completely disregard the fact that James Bond is a 6'4 handsome and athletic secret agent who drives million dollar cars. As we all know, that totally describes the average male on the street" Link to post Share on other sites
Lonely Ronin Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 It's not male-hating to point out weaknesses in one gender over the other. I'm Sorry DY, but you're wrong as far as I'm concerned. Your comment above shows you have some issue with men in general. I mean to say all members of one gender have a "weakness" is ridiculous. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm Sorry DY, but you're wrong as far as I'm concerned. Your comment above shows you have some issue with men in general. I mean to say all members of one gender have a "weakness" is ridiculous. One of the worst male bashers I've ever seen and she likes to pretend otherwise Pathetic Link to post Share on other sites
snug.bunny Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm not sure that I agree Bad. But if you could explain what you mean, I'm open to it. I think what Badsingularity is trying to point out, is what you deem is "right vs. wrong" in terms of what men find attractive. The thing is, there is no right or wrong, where that is concerned (unless of course, you're talking about men who are into looking at pictures of naked minors or something). Men are always going to be attracted to certain things and like certain things. As long as they are respectful towards others, and aren't hurting anyone, what difference does it make? I know you take huge issue with the media, pornography, etc., and I think it's good that others can bring a sense of balance to offset it, but there is a point when it goes to far and it infringes upon others beliefs, likes/dislikes, etc. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I think what Badsingularity is trying to point out, is what you deem is "right vs. wrong" in terms of what men find attractive. The thing is, there is no right or wrong, where that is concerned (unless of course, you're talking about men who are into looking at pictures of naked minors or something). Men are always going to be attracted to certain things and like certain things. As long as they are respectful towards others, and aren't hurting anyone, what difference does it make? I know you take huge issue with the media, pornography, etc., and I think it's good that others can bring a sense of balance to offset it, but there is a point when it goes to far and it infringes upon others beliefs, likes/dislikes, etc. For the record, there's not a huge difference between what Men and Women like nowadays anyways Both are into physically attractive people with pleasant personalities. Men are more visual while women are more turned on by non physical things but it's not necessarily a huge difference DY's war on men is pretty ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites
veggirl Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I do think there are women that care about status. I just see much more disatisfaction amoung average men seeking beauty then I do around average women seeking status. I think most average women, mature and wake up and realize that other things are important. I don't think this is true at all. Even on this board, I think the guys are more realistic as far as looks than the women are as far as $$$/education/status. Do "average" men really seek BEAUTY? Mostly I see guys who say they want cute, fun, sweet. That doesn't imply gorgeous model, I think it describes "regular girl" Anyway, I am not counting the *obvious* trolls. And besides person A can say "well I usually see X happening" and person B can say "well I usually see Y happening". So whats the point 3 Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I don't think this is true at all. Even on this board, I think the guys are more realistic as far as looks than the women are as far as $$$/education/status. Do "average" men really seek BEAUTY? Mostly I see guys who say they want cute, fun, sweet. That doesn't imply gorgeous model, I think it describes "regular girl" Anyway, I am not counting the *obvious* trolls. And besides person A can say "well I usually see X happening" and person B can say "well I usually see Y happening". So whats the point What are you talking about? It's completely okay for women to demand a man with a PHD and a 150,000 a year salary... yet a man actually demanding that a woman not be fat is truly horrible Women who worship male celebs with 100 million dollar net worth...totally normal. Men who masturbate to porn, yea they're the devil This is the delusional world of male bashers Link to post Share on other sites
snug.bunny Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 For the record, there's not a huge difference between what Men and Women like nowadays anyways Both are into physically attractive people with pleasant personalities. Men are more visual while women are more turned on by non physical things but it's not necessarily a huge difference DY's war on men is pretty ridiculous Ah well, I don't want to get into a debate as to which gender is more visual... I have my own personal views on the matter but debating whether or not they are right or wrong, is not something I want to spend my energy on. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 From what I see it's mainly women who preach the don't settle stuff like is the gospel rather than men. I see the never settle mentality in women more than I do in men. Men really are not as shallow as many make us out to be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Where is your proof for this? Your male hating opinions don't. You're just talking out of your ass as usual My ass is just as intelligent as the rest of me. Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm Sorry DY, but you're wrong as far as I'm concerned. Your comment above shows you have some issue with men in general. I mean to say all members of one gender have a "weakness" is ridiculous. I didn't say all men have a "weakness". I said in general, I see a weakness in men in this regard. The reality is that there are general gender lines where women display more of a weakness or where men dispaly more of a weakness. Women and men simply sometimes face different issues because differences that do infact sometimes seperate men and women. Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 My ass is just as intelligent as the rest of me. This isn't a compliment Link to post Share on other sites
Disenchantedly Yours Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I think what Badsingularity is trying to point out, is what you deem is "right vs. wrong" in terms of what men find attractive. The thing is, there is no right or wrong, where that is concerned (unless of course, you're talking about men who are into looking at pictures of naked minors or something). Men are always going to be attracted to certain things and like certain things. As long as they are respectful towards others, and aren't hurting anyone, what difference does it make? I know you take huge issue with the media, pornography, etc., and I think it's good that others can bring a sense of balance to offset it, but there is a point when it goes to far and it infringes upon others beliefs, likes/dislikes, etc. Do you know what I deem "right and wrong" in terms of what men find attractive Snug? If you do, could you share that here? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that. My issues from media and porn is that we celebrate a very twisted view of women's body to the point of body dysmorphia. It's not that I think it's "wrong" to like big breasts or whatever else. I think it's wrong how overly focused we are on such things to the point of creating body-dysmorphic ideals that I think a lot of men AND women buy into. Just look at how many topics on here crop up about what men want from women in terms of their bodies vs what men may want from a woman regarding her other qualities. I don't see a great amount of knowledge from a lot of guys here that know themselves enough to know what they would need in a relationship that went beyond sex and I don't see much of a desire for them to want to explore that because they are so focused on women's bodies over anything else. I am not saying physical attraction is wrong. It's neccesary to a certain point. I am not saying that liking big breasts are wrong. I see nothing wrong in that. I see something very twisted in our culture though that has distorted femininity and distorted views of sexuality and attraction though. And I think the overt focus on women's bodies in the media has created an overt focus in men to the point of not celebrating female beauty as it really is, but celebrating ideals of body-dysmorphia. And celebrating to a point that this what I see most guys only capable of talking about more times then they appear capable of talking about what they need on other levels. Link to post Share on other sites
brahmabull117 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I didn't say all men have a "weakness". I said in general, I see a weakness in men in this regard. The reality is that there are general gender lines where women display more of a weakness or where men dispaly more of a weakness. Women and men simply sometimes face different issues because differences that do infact sometimes seperate men and women. And your support for this is in what? All the women on here looking for a guy who fits a checklist about a mile long? Link to post Share on other sites
SteveC80 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Your eye muscles must be fabulous! I think I mistakeningy thought you were talking about me because you quoted me when you said that. I do think there are women that care about status. I just see much more disatisfaction amoung average men seeking beauty then I do around average women seeking status. I think most average women, mature and wake up and realize that other things are important. When I was younger, I certainly was way more easily titilated by status in a man. But after dating some of those guys, you realize that they are just people and they aren't always people that even treat you right. Their money and status may make their life easier but it doesn't automatically make it better. I don't see that same level of growth from a wider pool of men. I see a lot of men that well into their 60s, over idolize beauty in women. And it's funny because when this topic comes up and you hear a woman talk about her guy, she will usually make comments about how she is more attracted to him, then Brad Pitt. She has a certain sense of loyatly. But when you hear men talk, alot of guys talk about how Megan Fox is much hotter then their own partners or they talk about how they need variety. Of course, this is when someone else steps in and talks about how men are "biologically programmed" to spread their seed and blah, blah, blah. Doesn't really matter if a man is biologically programmed for something or not. It still leaves a woman in the same disadvantegous spot to begin with. With her being second potatoes. You're generalazations are mind bogglingly ignorant..You also are amazingly self centered because 90% of your posts no matter the subject always end up about you and your insecurities and issues with Men which you try to spin as Men's issues and "weaknesses" when they are really yours.. You ironically complain that Men dont care about womens issues yet whenver a thread is made about mens plight you tell men to buck up and have confidence then turn it around and say how women have it harder..its always about YOU and your insecurities.. Theyres millions of women in happy relaitnships with Men they love and adore yet because you cant find a man its all mens fault and how we are as a group.. YOU are the common denominator in your dating failures not Men.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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