Women who put topless pics online

[Bristolius]

My behavior would line up with veggirl and rainfall, in that I'd probably not get involved with an exotic dancer or a woman that has lots of nude pics on the Internet.

 

By my thinking wouldn't be to judge her as bad, it would be that I need to have some hang-ups and repression in common with an SO. I'm very comfortable with my hang-ups.

[kaylan]

To begin with, the question of how one could choose to look down on others for many things that didn't begin and end with nude photos, was a point lost on Rainfall over there. I picked fast food work as an example. I find it hilarious anyone would defend fast food work any more than dancing or nude modeling. Show me all the people with plans for a career in fast food work and I'll show you most of those plan to OWN ONE. No one plans to flip burgers or box pizzas forever. Rainfall even endearingly reminds us that her co-workers are young people (with plans for more) and old people (with plans on dying).

Or I wonder.....maybe you're all right. There must be like scads of old people dreaming of rubbing on the bengay before heading to work at the register of Dominos and mixing dough! Is anyone here dreaming of a life of shift manager at Domino's? If anyone is dreaming about a life in fast food it is to own one.

 

*shiver*

Whoa. I just had this flash of all these people sitting behind a monitor slack jawed, muttering under their breath every couple of minutes "huhuh skanks" with their work shirt still on smelling like stale yeast and vegetable oil. Totally missing how someone showed you how you think by talking down on you smelly lot. Instead you get offended. GO CHANGE YOUR SHIRT! Friggen hilarious!

Ha.

 

And you still continue to miss the point I was making...all the while trying to uplift your past "profession" above other type of work.

 

Gimme a break. Im done arguing with you. Thanks for letting us all know you were a stripper though. Now I know which female point of view to ignore in the future

[sally4sara]

Ha.

 

And you still continue to miss the point I was making...all the while trying to uplift your past "profession" above other type of work.

 

Gimme a break. Im done arguing with you. Thanks for letting us all know you were a stripper though. Now I know which female point of view to ignore in the future

 

Same circumstances makes them comparable in my book. Who plans to work either one? Not many. Who plans to stay long term? Not many. Which line of work will small people try to look down on? Most if they need to stand on others to feel better about themselves.

But which one can support a household? Certainly not the fast food work. So oh yeah I'd hold dancing above McJob on simple effort/time spent VS income received. Having worked both I know which took more intelligence and talent and it wasn't "would you like garlic bread with that?"

 

Do you really think your point of view is invaluable to anyone if you can't even recognize that what you assume about people doesn't magically turn into applicable fact? Hope your shift goes well for you today.

[rainfall]

Same circumstances makes them comparable in my book. Who plans to work either one? Not many. Who plans to stay long term? Not many. Which line of work will small people try to look down on? Most if they need to stand on others to feel better about themselves.

But which one can support a household? Certainly not the fast food work. So oh yeah I'd hold dancing above McJob on simple effort/time spent VS income received. Having worked both I know which took more intelligence and talent and it wasn't "would you like garlic bread with that?"

 

Do you really think your point of view is invaluable to anyone if you can't even recognize that what you assume about people doesn't magically turn into applicable fact? Hope your shift goes well for you today.

 

I work at a pizza place and you know what? I am fine with it. I am in school (about to start vet school actually so don't try to tell me I am stupid or below you). I just need more money than my loans can provide and working there gives me enough to live on.

 

There is no way a stripper (not dancer) is better than me or holds a better job. I actually work for my money and do something besides grind around on random men. I am able to be respected by myself and my SO when I go home at night. Trust me being a stripper requires no talent or brains other than to know which guy is an easy mark for money for the night.

 

Also for the record the managers where I work make really good money and can support their family. One of them actually just told his wife to quit her job so she can focus on going back to school full-time.

[Kofybean]

...But which one can support a household? Certainly not the fast food work. So oh yeah I'd hold dancing above McJob on simple effort/time spent VS income received....

 

 

The strippers I dated told that same line too. It must be written in the hand book or something. Only way to pay bills was through that life? Mmm, there is always more to the story than that.

 

I think this entire thread argument has fallen way off track. However, my interjection is that everything a person does is about principles.

 

If a person has no principles for which they stand for, they are but an animal without a conscious that will eat from whichever palm feeds them.

 

If a person lived homeless and turned down a job at McDonalds because it violated their principles or religion (treatment of animals, eatting cows, etc), I would respect them more than I would respect someone who took a high powered lawyer job to defend criminals.

 

Its all about principles. Not about money.

 

But I don't know why you feel the need to defend yourself on something that happened so long ago. It would be an interesting conversation if you were still in that life, but your mentality has changed and so has your life, so their is no venom in the bite.

 

Leave digging up and defending old dirt to the politicians.

[sally4sara]

The strippers I dated told that same line too. It must be written in the hand book or something. Only way to pay bills was through that life? Mmm, there is always more to the story than that.

 

I think this entire thread argument has fallen way off track. However, my interjection is that everything a person does is about principles.

 

If a person has no principles for which they stand for, they are but an animal without a conscious that will eat from whichever palm feeds them.

 

If a person lived homeless and turned down a job at McDonalds because it violated their principles or religion (treatment of animals, eatting cows, etc), I would respect them more than I would respect someone who took a high powered lawyer job to defend criminals.

 

Its all about principles. Not about money.

 

But I don't know why you feel the need to defend yourself on something that happened so long ago. It would be an interesting conversation if you were still in that life, but your mentality has changed and so has your life, so their is no venom in the bite.

 

Leave digging up and defending old dirt to the politicians.

 

You were ****ing people you had no respect for? Where is the integrity in that?

 

It isn't about defending myself. Homelessness had a lot to do with the choice. If I'd been all about defending MYSELF, I'd have used the pity party play.

Last time I checked, nudity hurts no one. Dancing hurts no one. If it had been just for my benefit, I wouldn't have worked the job as I am not a natural exhibitionist. It solved the financial problems of three people, two of which became family members.

 

Discrimination on the other hand does hurt people. There was a lot of unfounded accusations at the start of this thread based on something that hurts no one. And THAT was what interested me. What do you do when you see discrimination? The arguments posed against nudity have been used against interracial relationships and homosexuals too.

 

And Rainfall? I don't think poorly of your pizza job. Don't think highly of it either. Its blah whatever, talentless, poorly compensated drone work but its a job. Just letting you have a taste of your own pie. You and your BF can believe your boobies are what makes your relationship special if it makes you happy. ME? I'd rather go make the money someone I loved needed for school as fast as possible so they could stop working a job they don't want that pays them a pittance and delays their goals. There are many things about me that are special just like most people, the boobies were never that high up on that list and I don't see how they are all that special unless you're feeding a kid. Just breasts; lots of people have them.

[rainfall]

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Last time I checked, nudity hurts no one. Dancing hurts no one. If it had been just for my benefit, I wouldn't have worked the job as I am not a natural exhibitionist. It solved the financial problems of three people, two of which became family members.

 

Discrimination on the other hand does hurt people. There was a lot of unfounded accusations at the start of this thread based on something that hurts no one. And THAT was what interested me. What do you do when you see discrimination? The arguments posed against nudity have been used against interracial relationships and homosexuals too.

 

And Rainfall? I don't think poorly of your pizza job. Don't think highly of it either. Its blah whatever, talentless, poorly compensated drone work but its a job. Just letting you have a taste of your own pie. You and your BF can believe your boobies are what makes your relationship special if it makes you happy. ME? I'd rather go make the money someone I loved needed for school as fast as possible so they could stop working a job they don't want that pays them a pittance and delays their goals. There are many things about me that are special just like most people, the boobies were never that high up on that list and I don't see how they are all that special unless you're feeding a kid. Just breasts; lots of people have them.

 

 

Your stripping probably did hurt some people. What about all the relationships that were ruined because of the strip club? You wanna say that doesn't hurt anyone. Head over to any of the threads about a wife/girlfriend unhappy about her SO's visit to strip clubs and tell me that it doesn't hurt anyone.

 

Stripping is a talentless job as well. It doesn't take any talent to take clothes off and dance around on strangers. My boobies aren't what makes my realtionjship special. However, I think our sex life is something that should be speical between us.You can't be unaware that the guys who saw you strip were their for some sort of sexual stimulation. That is what I think should be special between me and my boyfriend.

 

As far as working and making money. I would rather work somewhere that allows me to keep my self respect, even if it means making less money. Money isn't all that important to me really. As long as my bills are paid and I can take care of my animals I don't need alot of extra money to make myself happy.

[Radu]

sally, like it or not generally good ppl don't do what you did, or don't go to those places.

Proof, you said your husband met you while doing this and you two got married ... he was an alcoholic.

 

I'm also sure you would be totally ok for your son to date a stripper.

Or for your daughter to become one.

 

Over here, an escort [screws guys] has a better reputation than a stripper.

Mostly because the escort doesn't work that often, and makes good money ... they are also generally girls who put themselves through college.

Strippers on the other hand are forced to do the same, but for much more hs a day, and generally abuse their bodies with drugs and massive ammounts of Red Bull.

 

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Either way, the OP referred to something else, not this.

Maybe through those girls that send pics like this there are some misguided girls with awesome LTR potential.

I doubt it, i already expressed why.

 

PS: You mentioned those streaking guys in SF ... all i can say is 'attention-whores'.

[sally4sara]

Your stripping probably did hurt some people. What about all the relationships that were ruined because of the strip club? You wanna say that doesn't hurt anyone. Head over to any of the threads about a wife/girlfriend unhappy about her SO's visit to strip clubs and tell me that it doesn't hurt anyone.

 

Stripping is a talentless job as well. It doesn't take any talent to take clothes off and dance around on strangers. My boobies aren't what makes my realtionjship special. However, I think our sex life is something that should be speical between us.You can't be unaware that the guys who saw you strip were their for some sort of sexual stimulation. That is what I think should be special between me and my boyfriend.

 

As far as working and making money. I would rather work somewhere that allows me to keep my self respect, even if it means making less money. Money isn't all that important to me really. As long as my bills are paid and I can take care of my animals I don't need alot of extra money to make myself happy.

 

I'm sorry dear but you have an incorrect impression of what I did for a living. I didn't work for a strip club. We had choreography and required many practice sessions and costume fittings. We got a cut of the door ticket sales and never had to interact closely with patrons. Next you're going to tell me athletics is a talentless pursuit.

And you also keep insisting that I lost respect in myself for the work I did. I felt much lower trying to keep myself afloat smelling of crap food and getting paid a few bucks an hour in my teens.

And now the suggestion that it requires a dancer's sex life be part of what she is doing when she dances. Its kind hard to have sex with someone that is never close enough to touch. And I promise you your BF gets sexual stimulation from seeing other women out and about or via internet porn now and then. He can get a much bigger eyefull via internet porn than what I provided when my agency booked us to headline somewhere.

I'm sure the streets would be flooded by the masses of relationships I ended. Just like all the relationships ended by watching going to a Vegas showgirl night or seeing a skimpy dressed back up dancer shaking it during a concert. If that was all it took to end a relationship for someone it couldn't have been much of a relationship!

[rainfall]

I'm sorry dear but you have an incorrect impression of what I did for a living. I didn't work for a strip club. We had choreography and required many practice sessions and costume fittings. We got a cut of the door ticket sales and never had to interact closely with patrons. Next you're going to tell me athletics is a talentless pursuit.

And you also keep insisting that I lost respect in myself for the work I did. I felt much lower trying to keep myself afloat smelling of crap food and getting paid a few bucks an hour in my teens.

And now the suggestion that it requires a dancer's sex life be part of what she is doing when she dances. Its kind hard to have sex with someone that is never close enough to touch. And I promise you your BF gets sexual stimulation from seeing other women out and about or via internet porn now and then. He can get a much bigger eyefull via internet porn than what I provided when my agency booked us to headline somewhere.

I'm sure the streets would be flooded by the masses of relationships I ended. Just like all the relationships ended by watching going to a Vegas showgirl night or seeing a skimpy dressed back up dancer shaking it during a concert. If that was all it took to end a relationship for someone it couldn't have been much of a relationship!

 

 

Some people view strippers as cheating and if a man has no respect for a woman and goes anyway then it probably ends the relationship. A relationship should be based on mutal respect for each other and if a guy disregards his partners feelings on strippers then yeah I guess I agree that its not much of a relationship.

 

If you are all about money then I guess I can see how you would have more respect for yourself taking your clothes off then you would keeping them on, because yeah strippers do make alot of money. There are more important things then money though. Knowing that all a man needs to see my boobies and everything esle is a few bucks is something that would make most decent woman lose respect for themselves.

 

Just wondering though, what exactly did you do? You said you were an ex-stripper, but fromhow you are talking in this post you are trying to make it sound like you were a vegas showgirl or something.

[KungFuJoe]

Stripping is harmless. I would date a stripper. I've had friends that were strippers. They weren't having sex with strangers, the money was REAL good, and the hours were low (some only worked weekends). I frequently go to strip clubs...with and without my wife and we are very good people.

 

Strippers don't ruin relationships. Cheating bastards do. I guess we should outlaw guns and cars because they kill people.

[rainfall]

Stripping is harmless. I would date a stripper. I've had friends that were strippers. They weren't having sex with strangers, the money was REAL good, and the hours were low (some only worked weekends). I frequently go to strip clubs...with and without my wife and we are very good people.

 

Strippers don't ruin relationships. Cheating bastards do. I guess we should outlaw guns and cars because they kill people.

 

 

Harmless to you maybe. To some it is cheating for a man to have strippers touch him. Money may be great but having to grind away on a strangers lap isn't worth it. Go to strip clubs all you want, just don't expect everyone to agree with you that you and the strippers are good people.

[veggirl]

Stripping is harmless. I would date a stripper. I've had friends that were strippers. They weren't having sex with strangers, the money was REAL good, and the hours were low (some only worked weekends). I frequently go to strip clubs...with and without my wife and we are very good people.

 

Strippers don't ruin relationships. Cheating bastards do. I guess we should outlaw guns and cars because they kill people.

 

and I know a couple guys who dated strippers and would never again.

 

The stripper I know was a girl who did drugs and needed attention so badly she didn't care who it came from. She was a fked up mess.

 

So sure there are the strippers with hearts of gold who are working on their degree out there somewhere, but I never met any or heard about any in real life.

[sally4sara]

sally, like it or not generally good ppl don't do what you did, or don't go to those places.

Proof, you said your husband met you while doing this and you two got married ... he was an alcoholic.

 

Uh, You seem to think I met my ex husband in a club. I did not. I met him through friends and began dating him before I danced. I took the gig while we were dating and he proposed a few months there after. He had never been in a strip club and I didn't work for a strip club.

And whoa there fella, I am a good person. There isn't a thing wrong with nudity or dancing or paying your bills through honest work. No laws against it. You see the nudity and YOU decide the people MUST be bad people. It doesn't make them bad people just because you have a hang up about nudity and believe them to be bad people. You are thinking the same warped way a person sees a couple black men on a dark street and assumes them to be up to shady behavior without a crime being committed.

 

I'm also sure you would be totally ok for your son to date a stripper.

Or for your daughter to become one.

 

I have raised my son with my ideals and I trust him, as he gets older, to judge people based on their actions and attitudes rather than the lazy opinions he gleans from anecdotal exaggerations. He can date who he wants and as long as they treat him well and he is happy I won't have boo to say about it no matter what they do for a living.

I don't have a daughter but if I did, she won't be in the situation I was in where she has to leave home before she is an adult to avoid further beatings or the advances of some bum I've moved in to my home. If however, she wanted to dance for an agency like the one I worked for I would not have a problem with it.

I do have a problem with strip clubs because I don't like how the girls that work at them get treated. There is only one I know of out in San Francisco where the girls have a union and health care, the ability to own a share in the club and a few other benefits I think should be standard.

PS, there are guy strippers too.

 

Over here, an escort [screws guys] has a better reputation than a stripper.

Mostly because the escort doesn't work that often, and makes good money ... they are also generally girls who put themselves through college.

Strippers on the other hand are forced to do the same, but for much more hs a day, and generally abuse their bodies with drugs and massive ammounts of Red Bull.

 

I was not a druggie and I don't know why Red Bull is on your list of bad things other than it tastes like bad cold medicine. And hell no I'm not having sex for money. I have sex for sex.

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Either way, the OP referred to something else, not this.

Maybe through those girls that send pics like this there are some misguided girls with awesome LTR potential.

I doubt it, i already expressed why.

 

PS: You mentioned those streaking guys in SF ... all i can say is 'attention-whores'.

 

They were not streaking. They were moseying along between errands. Its a pretty regular thing and people reacted like it was a pretty regular thing. the only rubberneckers were tourists.

[Radu]

You implied you met your ex at a strip club, you now clarified the situation, and it presents itself different.

 

The Red Bull and drugs part is from what i was told by an actual stripper.

When i went to HS there was a strip-joint very close by [even though it was against the rules].

A few yrs later i went by and saw one of the girls i went to HS with.

 

She became a stripper, and we kept talking.

Let's just say that what i learned from her i verified through others, it is NOT a good job.

 

Although why you defend it has become clear now [had to leave home as a teen, bad family ... etc ...].

 

Still, the subject of this thread has not been strippers, has not been this job/lifestyle.

Pls read the first few pages.

You made your point pretty clear.

[sally4sara]

You implied you met your ex at a strip club, you now clarified the situation, and it presents itself different.

 

I did not and couldn't have since I never said I worked in a strip club. You assumed or have problems with reading comprehension.

 

The Red Bull and drugs part is from what i was told by an actual stripper.

When i went to HS there was a strip-joint very close by [even though it was against the rules].

A few yrs later i went by and saw one of the girls i went to HS with.

She became a stripper, and we kept talking.

Let's just say that what i learned from her i verified through others, it is NOT a good job.

 

I don't see how you, what with your belief in strippers being bad people (a bias anything about the job must get filtered through), and what with having been told by only ONE actual stripper to stand as verification of anything to any conclusion. Shall I base everything I was told by one Korean person and the secondhand anecdotes of others to be verified as applicable to all Koreans?

 

When it is not a good job it is usually because of the behavior of the patrons rather than the dancer.

 

Although why you defend it has become clear now [had to leave home as a teen, bad family ... etc ...].

Still, the subject of this thread has not been strippers, has not been this job/lifestyle.

Pls read the first few pages.

You made your point pretty clear.

 

I get that. And in trying to keep it closer to topic, had assumptions and insults to wade through for simply having a different opinion. I said from the beginning and again here, just for your benefit, that simply being without a shirt on doesn't indicate anything about a person with certainty other than that they have no shirt on. It is exhibitionism and yes that is attention seeking - so what? Don't you want attention? The assumptions others tack on it about being "not relationship material" are unfounded unless something else in the photo shows other actual incriminating behavior.

 

*my initial post from page one*

 

She took her top off and that happens everyday whether or not she has sex with anyone casually or monogamously or not at all.

 

She had her picture taken or she set a timer to take picture of herself or she popped off a pic of her reflection. None of this requires that she have sex with anyone casually or monogamously.

 

She put it somewhere others can see it. Again - this does not require her to have sex with anyone casually or monogamously."

 

And none of the above shows proof that if a relationship was formed with someone who was uncomfortable with nude photos, that the single girl in the photo is incapable of meeting a different set of expectations once in a relationship or saying no to a relationship with someone who would ask her to stop if it was important to her to continue. Y'all see tits and think only tits and ignore that there is a person they are attached to and that says a lot more about you than it does about the girl in the photo.