Is relationship and sex is 'something' that men 'get' from a woman /she gives

[AlexDP]

SD, you might "convince" some woman to "consent" to have sex with you. Maybe you could get lucky and find some really adventurous, "sex-positive" and free thinking woman like ThaWholigan did who wants to relieve you of your burden, or whatever. That would be great. Even if it was done as sort of a charitable act by the girl, you've made it clear that you would not have any problem with that.

 

I understand that you don't want to do it with someone who is not attractive to you, but the chance of finding one who falls within all the parameter of your requirements and also has this approach to having sex is probably slim. Really, most women do require to be attracted, a lot, in order to have sex. So you'd have to be more flexible than you are.

 

Aside form this scenario, though, I think you are stuck with what you always have been stuck with - "nexting" the idea of having sex with any girl who is not showing that she is attracted to you. You could find out what the chances are that she is by asking her out for coffee or a drink, and if she says "no," just forget about it and move on.

 

If she says "yes," you would have to curb your goal oriented and immoveable idea of "girl = vagina" and try to have a good time while concurrently letting her know that you are in DATING and not buddy mode. I imagine this would be a huge challenge for you, but there could be no alternative.

 

This either leads to her giving you use of her vagina, or it won't. You need to be able to discern which way things are going and if it's not in the sex-giving department, you need to abort and move on, or else you will get stuck where you've been before. You hate that and girls hate it too (thinking they are friends with a guy who is actually just thinking of them as a frustratingly unobtainable vagina ).

 

You would have to be daring and navigate all of this pretty much on your own, because no matter how you try, nobody can give you a "program" to follow that will lead to your goal of having sex with a particular girl. It's trial and error.

 

You just gave him the program. The only program there is.

[LFH]

In my opinion, damn right it is.

 

If men have to work to attract women, and women determine if relationships and sex happen, how can it be seen any other way?

 

Do you think women don't work to attract men? (forgive me if this has been answered earlier) There is a huge world of beauty products/fashion/etc that says otherwise.

[somedude81]

Do you think women don't work to attract men? (forgive me if this has been answered earlier) There is a huge world of beauty products/fashion/etc that says otherwise.

Yes it has been discussed already.

 

My belief is that women have to do very little to attract men. That the vast majority of things women do are unnecessary and are actually meant to make them seem better in the eyes of other women.

 

Men really don't care if your handbag cost $300 or $30.

[Els]

Yes it has been discussed already.

 

My belief is that women have to do very little to attract men. That the vast majority of things women do are unnecessary and are actually meant to make them seem better in the eyes of other women.

 

Men really don't care if your handbag cost $300 or $30.

 

Seems there wasn't much of a discussion, since you're back to square one at that despite multiple attempts to explain it to you.

[somedude81]

Seems there wasn't much of a discussion, since you're back to square one at that despite multiple attempts to explain it to you.

Nope Elswyth, I never left that square