Feelsgoodman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 It's funny to see women arguing with men over what men find feminine. Men repeatedly say feminism is not feminine and then a woman jumps in and says no, you can be feminist and feminine at the same time! Ummm, okay Feminism is a turn off to most men because feminists, by definition, have a persecution complex. To be a feminist, you honestly have to believe that you are being discriminated and mistreated by men (feminists call this "patriarchy"). If you can't see why that is unattractive in a potential mate, you have zero social intelligence. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Do bad things happen to women today... Heck yeah. Bad things happen to men as well. Speaking of bad things happening to men and women, it's important to keep things in perspective. For example, statistics show that being a man is far more dangerous than being a woman, as 77% of all homicide victims are male. Men, women, and murder: gender-specific differences... [J Trauma. 1992] - PubMed - NCBI Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 That woman is Batsh** Crazy. I could have told you that even without reading that blog. Any woman who seriously believes in astrology is going to be batsh*t crazy. Astrology is an ancient superstition dating back to a time when people were worshiping fire and practicing human sacrifice. Anyone who takes that sh*t seriously cannot be taken seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
yongyong Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I expected this kind of answer from a typical American woman. It's the same everywhere in the world (only different by certain degrees) Women should be more careful in their behavior. If you want to eat like a guy, belch like a guy, yawn like a guy, drink like a guy and have sex like a guy, Go Ahead. No men will look at you as a woman. I have no reason and desire to shape women's body. I just don't look at those with ugly bodies and go for the ones with a nice feminine body. Again, you can do whatever you want with your body. I am just letting you know what Men prefers. You're also basically saying that femininity lives in the body shape yet you also expect to limit behaviors. You know who else wanted to tweak body shape and control behaviors? Slave owners. Link to post Share on other sites
GirlontheLam Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Feminism is a turn off to most men because feminists, by definition, have a persecution complex. To be a feminist, you honestly have to believe that you are being discriminated and mistreated by men (feminists call this "patriarchy"). If you can't see why that is unattractive in a potential mate, you have zero social intelligence. We live in a patriarchal society. This doesn't mean I have a problem with you, an individual man. I have a problem with how some things in our society work and are organized. The same thing is true about racism. I generally think things are are racist, but I don't think everyone is racist. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 We live in a patriarchal society. This doesn't mean I have a problem with you, an individual man. I have a problem with how some things in our society work and are organized. And as a man, I find this attitude highly unattractive, even if you say you don't have a problem with me personally (because indirectly, you do have a a problem with me personally, as I am a member of the male gender and you have a problem with males in general). I would not think of a woman like that as relationship material, though I wouldn't rule out a short fling. Just being honest about the way men perceive feminists. You don't have to like it. Link to post Share on other sites
Untouchable_Fire Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 We live in a patriarchal society. This doesn't mean I have a problem with you, an individual man. I have a problem with how some things in our society work and are organized. The same thing is true about racism. I generally think things are are racist, but I don't think everyone is racist. Please explain how our society is inherently sexist and racist. Link to post Share on other sites
GirlontheLam Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Please explain how our society is inherently sexist and racist. I didn't use the word inherently, but things are setup with predefined "winners" and "losers." 1. women are judged on their appearance far too frequently, and this impacts professional success and overall treatment 2. the appearance standards generally exclude women of color 3. lots of people have no problem stereotyping people of different ethnic groups instead of viewing them as individuals. (i.e. all black women are like the women on Real Housewives of Atlanta or Basketball Wives or whatever. The women you meet that aren't like that are "exceptions," but do not represent common traits for that group. This same logic can be easily applied to any ethnic group. Indian men are awkward and sexually undesirable. Blah blah blah. It is all nonsense.) 4. People of color are kinda thrown into two boxes: "good minority" and "bad minority" with specific traits tied to each group I have my views on these things, but this doesn't mean these are the only issues I care about or occupy my time 24-7. But being aware that it happens, and your relationship to the hegemony is important. Especially if you are a member of one of the impacted groups. I am feminist, and feminine, but the way I act around you, as a male, is entirely dependent on how you are treating me. I don't assume that every man is sexist or a chauvinist. Nor do I assume every institution is. Many are, and this shapes how I perceive them and I act accordingly. But none of this precludes me from "acting like a lady." 5 Link to post Share on other sites
GirlontheLam Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 And as a man, I find this attitude highly unattractive, even if you say you don't have a problem with me personally (because indirectly, you do have a a problem with me personally, as I am a member of the male gender and you have a problem with males in general). I would not think of a woman like that as relationship material, though I wouldn't rule out a short fling. Just being honest about the way men perceive feminists. You don't have to like it. Feminism isn't about "hating men." It is about giving women choices, opportunities and equal footing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 A woman is free to choose what kind of hair style she wants of course, but as a man I feel the attraction of a woman's femininity in my biology. It's not something I can help or change by will. Being attracted to feminine women is not a choice, it happens to you as a man. Long hair can make a huge difference in regards to how feminine a woman looks. Women that still look very feminine with short hair, tend to be exceptionally beautiful, but they're a small minority in my opinion. Its not just biology. Trust me, nuture has ALOT to do with it. And again, what you consider feminine would be very different if you grew up in Japan for example. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
espec10001 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 lol. Okay. It's not as if I ever claimed to. Nor do I desire to. I don't need to understand all men. I just need guys that want to date me, and I get enough of that. Yes, I'm sure you do . Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Feminism isn't about "hating men." It is about giving women choices, opportunities and equal footing. Repeating the same statement multiple times does not add credibility to your argument. Just FYI. Edited August 27, 2012 by Feelsgoodman Link to post Share on other sites
espec10001 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Take away the human principle of what femininity is for a second. You see the Moon up in the sky at night? It acts like a cup; this cup receives light from the projecting Sun. Sun = purely masculine principle (projection) Moon = purely feminine principle (reception) The Sun is like a Wand, and the Moon is like a Cup. One illuminates, the other receives. Fire (Sun) + Water (Moon) mixed together to make humans. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Repeating the same statement multiple times does not add credibility to your argument. Just FYI. And you have credibility? lmao btw I love how you changed your misogynist signature after I called you out on it a couple pages back. Again I must say how amusing I find it that you dare criticize feminism when you present the behavior and thinking that you accuse it of. Hypocrisy ceases to surprise me anymore. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 And you have credibility? lmao btw I love how you changed your misogynist signature after I called you out on it a couple pages back. Again I must say how amusing I find it that you dare criticize feminism when you present the behavior and thinking that you accuse it of. Hypocrisy ceases to surprise me anymore. Who asked you? Link to post Share on other sites
kaylan Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Who asked you? I dont need to be asked to chime in. I do so because I want to and because this is a public thread on a public forum. My critique stands; a thief cannot condemn other so called thieves and have their condemnations of the others' actions be seen as legitimate. Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 I dont need to be asked to chime in. I do so because I want to and because this is a public thread on a public forum. I was having a discussion with GirlontheLam. In case you haven't noticed, she is a strong, independent, feminist woman. I'm quite certain that she does not need some patriarchal white knight figure like yourself to jump in to defend her honor and argue on her behalf . I suggest you save you rhetorical vigor for another day. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Why is it okay for women to want men who protect and want masculine men who will live up to their role but if a man wants a woman with feminine traits it assumed that he just wants her because he wants a doormat? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Greznog Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Why is it okay for women to want men who protect and want masculine men who will live up to their role but if a man wants a woman with feminine traits it assumed that he just wants her because he wants a doormat? Because clearly when it comes to women there are many different shades of grey, as far as men go if they don't like the short haired, butch, perpetually angry, man hating stereotype that must mean they want an empty husk to serve their every whim. Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Of the non-physical feminine traits, I'll choose transparent nurture and empathy, though those can be demonstrated through physical means, like a gentle touch, a kiss or a hug, as examples. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
todreaminblue Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Because clearly when it comes to women there are many different shades of grey, as far as men go if they don't like the short haired, butch, perpetually angry, man hating stereotype that must mean they want an empty husk to serve their every whim. is empty husk a stereo type? And since when is service empty....as far as i know service involves many characteristics not one of them would be considered empty do male have whims? I thought women were whimsical not men.i feel men cater more to the whimsical than women....i thought men had more logical thought? Link to post Share on other sites
GirlontheLam Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Repeating the same statement multiple times does not add credibility to your argument. Just FYI. You apparently don't quite understand how it works. Here is an example. Let's pretend I am on an airplane. I am reaching up to put my bag in the overhead bin. If I gentleman comes over and wants to help me put it away, I'll accept his help and say thanks. But it is entirely for his benefit, I am perfectly capable of putting my suitcase in the bin on my own. The problem lies within the man's motivation. If the man decides to help me with my bag because he thinks I am incapable of doing to myself, that's problematic. Vs. doing it because he wants to be polite. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Because clearly when it comes to women there are many different shades of grey, as far as men go if they don't like the short haired, butch, perpetually angry, man hating stereotype that must mean they want an empty husk to serve their every whim. I actually think short hair can look good on women but I know not find the female version of a male chauvinist pig to be attractive in the least and if that makes me sexist so be it. I know I am not sexist so if they think that let them. Link to post Share on other sites
Greznog Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I actually think short hair can look good on women but I know not find the female version of a male chauvinist pig to be attractive in the least and if that makes me sexist so be it. I know I am not sexist so if they think that let them. I think we can all agree that there's short hair and then there are haircuts like this one. Link to post Share on other sites
Feelsgoodman Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 You apparently don't quite understand how it works. Here is an example. Let's pretend I am on an airplane. I am reaching up to put my bag in the overhead bin. If I gentleman comes over and wants to help me put it away, I'll accept his help and say thanks. But it is entirely for his benefit, I am perfectly capable of putting my suitcase in the bin on my own. The problem lies within the man's motivation. If the man decides to help me with my bag because he thinks I am incapable of doing to myself, that's problematic. Vs. doing it because he wants to be polite. Talk about first world problems Link to post Share on other sites
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