Consolidated Discussion - A man's/woman's height in the search for relationships

[xxoo]

You also always claim it's not about looks for women as much as men but then list a ton of physical things men should have you contradict yourself.

 

Add in the financial situation men must have and it's clear how shallow women are overall and that men have to bring more to the table to attract women then vice versa.

 

Attraction has to come from somewhere. Men are more easily attracted. Life ain't fair.

[NJ123]

You also always claim it's not about looks for women as much as men but then list a ton of physical things men should have you contradict yourself.

 

Add in the financial situation men must have and it's clear how shallow women are overall and that men have to bring more to the table to attract women then vice versa.

 

That's a good percentage of women, but not every woman is going to care how much money you make or how fit you are.

[PJKino]

Attraction has to come from somewhere. Men are more easily attracted. Life ain't fair.

 

Well then stop claiming men are more into looks then women when it's clearly not the case

[xxoo]

Well then stop claiming men are more into looks then women when it's clearly not the case

 

Less into looks, more into jobs and protectiveness and social acumen and confidence

[preraph]

What the ****? Please show me where I said short guys are nicer? I never said that. I was calling some of you out for specifically stating the short guys were jerks, but never nothing bad about tall ones until later posts. I never said short guys are nicer. What a way to try to make yourself less guilty about what you stated in previous posts.

 

Oh, okay. Well, I'm not going through 176 pages finding ways you've inferred that over and over again, but answer me this:

 

If you do not hold the belief that short guys are nicer or would treat women better, then why are you flailing your arms that I said not all short guys are nice (while ignoring the extreme compliments I gave some of my old short bfs)?

[PJKino]

Less into looks, more into jobs and protectiveness and social acumen and confidence

 

Most couples are evenly matched looks wise so it's not like men get any huge breaks on looks

[AnnieRose]

It seems you can't win! We say we can be attracted to guys for reasons other than height, but still get called shallow or that we demand too much!

 

Huff. Do you want women to just sleep with any man that comes up to them?

 

You have to bring something to the table!

 

We are not saying (well, I'm not) that you have to "make up for" shortness by being all these other things. What I am saying is those other things will help you with women no matter the height! No tall man is going around from girl to girl just for his height alone! There are other factors people!

[NJ123]

Oh, okay. Well, I'm not going through 176 pages finding ways you've inferred that over and over again, but answer me this:

 

If you do not hold the belief that short guys are nicer or would treat women better, then why are you flailing your arms that I said not all short guys are nice (while ignoring the extreme compliments I gave some of my old short bfs)?

 

Yeah, first you said negative things towards them. Than you gave them compliments, only to than state in that same post that a short guy isn't on the level of a beautiful woman unless he has something going for him. While you never state that about a taller man. Like a taller man has to do less to be on the level of a beautiful woman. You see how ridiculous that sounds, and why I have a problem with it.

 

And I never stated short guys are nicer. I'm just trying to understand why some of you keep stating negative things towards short men time & time & time again. But rarely ever state anything bad about the tall ones. You said short guys aren't on the level of a beautiful woman. Someone else made a post specifically only pointing out that the short guys were jerks, until stating in a later post that the tall ones were too "to be fair". Now your trying to put words in my mouth saying that I think short guys in general are nicer because I called you out on something you won't admit to now, trying to twist things around on me. People are individuals, it doesn't matter whether their tall or short in terms of how they act. Some short guys are nice, while some aren't. Some tall guys are nice, while some aren't.

[johan]

I'm having a hard time figuring out this thread. And others like it. If short guys want to say they have it hard... if they want to repeat it for whatever reason, what difference does it make to anyone else. (Why, in fact, do I feel bothered by it?) If they want to resign from the dating pool, that's their choice.

 

It should be apparent by now that 1) there is no convincing them otherwise, 2) they have a point, 3) the world is not going to change for them and that's their burden, and 4) maybe, most heinous of all, the world doesn't really care.

 

Short guys are never going to convince the rest of us that it's necessarily so hard for them. No one really believes that the kind of guys who post complaints like this only have their height to blame for their troubles.

 

Like I said before. Being dumb isn't a sin. Being misguided, beligerent, stubborn, young, naive, and/or lacking the ability to listen, to examine yourself, or lacking the willingness to improve... those aren't sins either. Those are also things that put you at a disadvantage, and ultimately those things add up to way more than a few inches in height.

 

Don't see it that way? Well, time will tell. I'm happier when I'm not locked onto the idea that people absolutely must see it my way. I can accept a world with wrong people walking around. My job is to live my life, not everyone else's.

 

For the record, I do believe that some of these short guys feel real pain in their situations. Loneliness isn't easy. Maybe they haven't matured to the point where they can think about it objectively, and they don't have what it takes in their character to take action. I hope those things change for them.

 

It does take experience to realize that talking and complaining never bring you anything of value. Being pitied never actually fixed anything, even if it's to the point that someone gifts you the very thing you want. Ultimately that's just a slap in the face. Those things are facts, and are harder to dispute than the "fact" that short guys can't get anywhere with women.

[AnnieRose]

This thread is too much. I'm going to go lie down

 

Guys, more specifically short guys. There are plenty of women out there who will date you! Just be a quality guy and quality women will see that! That is not to say that tall men don't need to be quality. They do. But you are all wondering how is it men get women. You say you can't get girls because of your height but that is false! Let my story be living proof of that!

 

Will some girls rule you out? Yes. Just like you rule out some girls! But believe me, you are not destined to live alone forever because you're not a certain height! Only if you believe some of what's been said here!

 

Don't let this stuff get to you! Go out and enjoy the world! You may meet a lady who can withstand your sexiness for two full weeks before she ultimately caves in

[NJ123]

This thread is too much. I'm going to go lie down

 

Guys, more specifically short guys. There are plenty of women out there who will date you! Just be a quality guy and quality women will see that! That is not to say that tall men don't need to be quality. They do. But you are all wondering how is it men get women. You say you can't get girls because of your height but that is false! Let my story be living proof of that!

 

Will some girls rule you out? Yes. Just like you rule out some girls! But believe me, you are not destined to live alone forever because you're not a certain height! Only if you believe some of what's been said here!

 

Don't let this stuff get to you! Go out and enjoy the world! You may meet a lady who can withstand your sexiness for two full weeks before she ultimately caves in

 

I already know all this. But some of the women in here are being really negative towards short men. It's kind of scary to me.

[AnnieRose]

I already know all this. But some of the women in here are being really negative towards short men. It's kind of scary to me.

 

Don't pay attention to them!

 

But in all seriousness, I do understand somewhat. I see some girls in here talking down short men and then saying part of the reason they don't go for short men is they are insecure. Well they played a part in that! So I do empathize!

 

Buuut on the other hand, quite a few women, myself included have come in here talking about how height doesn't matter and our posts get overlooked!

 

5'10 girl with a 5'6 boy! Come on! I get nothing for that?!

[NJ123]

Don't pay attention to them!

 

But in all seriousness, I do understand somewhat. I see some girls in here talking down short men and then saying part of the reason they don't go for short men is they are insecure. Well they played a part in that! So I do empathize!

 

Buuut on the other hand, quite a few women, myself included have come in here talking about how height doesn't matter and our posts get overlooked!

 

5'10 girl with a 5'6 boy! Come on! I get nothing for that?!

 

I didn't mean to overlook your post. It was because I kept replying to preraphs' posts. But seriously good for you. I wouldn't mind being with a taller woman. Height doesn't matter to me like I stated before. But I know realistically most taller women go for taller men & in that situation I completely understand it. Seems your one of those exceptions for a taller woman that doesn't mind being with a shorter guy.

[AnnieRose]

I didn't mean to overlook your post. It was because I kept replying to preraphs' posts. But seriously good for you. I wouldn't mind being with a taller woman. Height doesn't matter to me like I stated before. But I know realistically most taller women go for taller men & in that situation I completely understand it. Seems your one of those exceptions for a taller woman that doesn't mind being with a shorter guy.

 

I just see people as...people! Height is one of those things. Some people are tall some are short. Does nothing for me personally.

 

I am also very comfortable and playful with my SO and we tease each other about our height difference. Sometimes we are clumsy when we fool around and we share a laugh. We're both secure with who we are and I do think that's part of it.

 

It takes a secure man to date a taller woman...but also takes a secure woman to date a shorter man!

 

Height differences between partners is not for the faint (insecure) of heart!

Edited November 8, 2014 by AnnieRose

[ComingInHot]

The thing is there's still a lot of women your height that still prefer guys that are 5'9" & above for whatever reason. A lot of women view short guys as "weak" it seems & won't be good "protectors". I know obviously there's a lot of women that don't care about height but it seems more often do than don't.

 

 

I've seen some seriously scary under 6' scrappers that giants wouldn't mess with if they had a choice.

 

I myself am veeerrry scary

[NJ123]

I've seen some seriously scary under 6' scrappers that giants wouldn't mess with if they had a choice.

 

I myself am veeerrry scary

 

Yeah, I don't think I'd want to mess with you. Way too scary.

[CrystalCastles]

Seems your one of those exceptions for a taller woman that doesn't mind being with a shorter guy.

 

I believe I stated earlier in this thread...uh...a hundred pages ago, that I, a 5'11 girl, am dating a 5'5/5'6 guy. So you overlooked my post as well.

 

preraph is just ONE person. Her posts aren't a universal thought, ok?

 

When I read these threads, I see that often, there ARE women who come on here, and quite a few of them too, who say that height doesn't matter. Yet their posts get overlooked in favour of the few women who say that height does matter. Its like short men are just looking for confirmation that they are unwanted because of their height. Like they want someone to agree with them, but there are many women on here who have proved otherwise.

 

Every man I've ever dated has been from one inch to a head shorter than me. I have never cared. It makes no sense to me how a taller man can protect better. My boyfriend has two black belts, so please, go on, tell me he'd protect me less than a tall guy.

 

There will always be at least somebody who will find you unattractive based on some feature. You can't be attractive to everybody. I don't consider myself unappealing, but I'm sure some men find me unattractive because I'm tall, or maybe because my boobs are too big or too small, or because I'm too muscular, or because I don't dress girly or because or because or because...Who the hell cares! I date men who find me attractive as is. And the men who don't can go date someone else. I don't get why that is a cause to come on here and whine.

[ComingInHot]

I've seen some seriously scary under 6' scrappers that giants wouldn't mess with if they had a choice.

 

I myself am veeerrry scary

 

Ahhhh! I meant ...veerrry scary :mad:! Not

Probably no coming back from that one being that I'm short, right?

[AnnieRose]

I believe I stated earlier in this thread...uh...a hundred pages ago, that I, a 5'11 girl, am dating a 5'5/5'6 guy. So you overlooked my post as well.

 

preraph is just ONE person. Her posts aren't a universal thought, ok?

 

When I read these threads, I see that often, there ARE women who come on here, and quite a few of them too, who say that height doesn't matter. Yet their posts get overlooked in favour of the few women who say that height does matter. Its like short men are just looking for confirmation that they are unwanted because of their height. Like they want someone to agree with them, but there are many women on here who have proved otherwise.

 

Every man I've ever dated has been from one inch to a head shorter than me. I have never cared. It makes no sense to me how a taller man can protect better. My boyfriend has two black belts, so please, go on, tell me he'd protect me less than a tall guy.

 

There will always be at least somebody who will find you unattractive based on some feature. You can't be attractive to everybody. I don't consider myself unappealing, but I'm sure some men find me unattractive because I'm tall, or maybe because my boobs are too big or too small, or because I'm too muscular, or because I don't dress girly or because or because or because...Who the hell cares! I date men who find me attractive as is. And the men who don't can go date someone else. I don't get why that is a cause to come on here and whine.

 

Wow! Hehe. 5'11 and 5'5 that's bigger than my 5'10 and 5'6 situation!

 

See guys? It happens!

 

I can only speak for myself, but with this guy...he has everything I want in a man. The total package in my eyes. How foolish it would be on my part to dismiss him based on where you'd mark him with a pencil if he leaned against a wall!

 

Just like your man I feel my man can protect me. He carries himself in a very masculine way. Not to overcompensate, but just because that's who he is.

 

I have a very primal, animal attraction to him. So there goes this talk about my small female lizard brain only being attracted to tall hunter gatherer types

[NJ123]

I believe I stated earlier in this thread...uh...a hundred pages ago, that I, a 5'11 girl, am dating a 5'5/5'6 guy. So you overlooked my post as well.

 

preraph is just ONE person. Her posts aren't a universal thought, ok?

 

When I read these threads, I see that often, there ARE women who come on here, and quite a few of them too, who say that height doesn't matter. Yet their posts get overlooked in favour of the few women who say that height does matter. Its like short men are just looking for confirmation that they are unwanted because of their height. Like they want someone to agree with them, but there are many women on here who have proved otherwise.

 

Every man I've ever dated has been from one inch to a head shorter than me. I have never cared. It makes no sense to me how a taller man can protect better. My boyfriend has two black belts, so please, go on, tell me he'd protect me less than a tall guy.

 

There will always be at least somebody who will find you unattractive based on some feature. You can't be attractive to everybody. I don't consider myself unappealing, but I'm sure some men find me unattractive because I'm tall, or maybe because my boobs are too big or too small, or because I'm too muscular, or because I don't dress girly or because or because or because...Who the hell cares! I date men who find me attractive as is. And the men who don't can go date someone else. I don't get why that is a cause to come on here and whine.

 

Well, as you can see I've only been on here 2 months, & this thread started 2 years ago. I made my own topic about the height issue, but it got merged with this one. So I haven't read through posts that were made 100 pages ago. And a majority of the time I always see the guy being taller than the woman their with, or at the very least the same height. Rarely do I see a lot taller woman, with a lot shorter man. But that's fine with me. I get that & understand it.

 

And why are you assuming I think tall guys are better protectors? Unless your targeting that comment at the women in here who made that statement, than your mistaken. What you said is exactly why I don't understand those women's logic about someone being tall making them feel "protected" since that's a load of crap. Being tall has nothing to do with being tough. It's just some psychological thing that some women have, but there's no merit to it.

 

And yeah, they say some good things about short guys, only to than list more bad things about them. Also, like I said I already know about that not all women care about a guys height. Why is that brought up constantly? I'm just posting in here mainly due to all the ridiculous statements made in here.

Edited November 8, 2014 by NJ123

[NJ123]

Ahhhh! I meant ...veerrry scary :mad:! Not

Probably no coming back from that one being that I'm short, right?

 

Well, I prefer a smile over a mean face anyway.

[preraph]

Yeah, first you said negative things towards them. Than you gave them compliments, only to than state in that same post that a short guy isn't on the level of a beautiful woman unless he has something going for him. While you never state that about a taller man. Like a taller man has to do less to be on the level of a beautiful woman. You see how ridiculous that sounds, and why I have a problem with it.

 

OK, NJ, here's the exact passage you're referring to where I complimented the short guys I've dated. What part of this is saying a negative thing about any of my old bfs I dated? None.

 

"Again, not all women mark guys down for being short. I have dated short guys and my crowd had a lot of short guys who were super confident and interesting. They had something going for them. They weren't guys who just sat at home and stared at their computers. All kinds of women dated them, but they wouldn't have if they hadn't added value and been able to present something besides "I'm short and don't have anything special about me, but I deserve love by a woman I think is hot." Not going to happen. For men and women, if you want to jump up levels in who you're able to date, then you better get busy and make yourself into something special so you can attract that via talent, skill, money making, being fascinating to talk to, and if you're not confident or can't project confidence, you're just barking up a tree. Because no one dates out of pity."

 

And what part of this is me NOT saying anyone other than short guys have to make themselves into something if they're going to want to date the most attractive people:

 

"For men and women, if you want to jump up levels in who you're able to date, then you better get busy and make yourself into something special so you can attract..."

 

So I just debunked your twisting my words on both counts with my exact original post, and I'd appreciate if you'd stop lying and telling people I'm saying things I'm not saying.

 

And I wish the people who comment on it saying I'm not representative of everyone here would also read all my posts because all you're doing is believing his untrue version of MY words.

 

P.S. Evanescentworld debunked all your nonsense yesterday on my post and you know it, but here you are back again repeating yourself.

Edited November 8, 2014 by preraph

[NJ123]

OK, NJ, here's the exact passage you're referring to where I complimented the short guys I've dated. What part of this is saying a negative thing about any of my old bfs I dated? None.

 

"Again, not all women mark guys down for being short. I have dated short guys and my crowd had a lot of short guys who were super confident and interesting. They had something going for them. They weren't guys who just sat at home and stared at their computers. All kinds of women dated them, but they wouldn't have if they hadn't added value and been able to present something besides "I'm short and don't have anything special about me, but I deserve love by a woman I think is hot." Not going to happen. For men and women, if you want to jump up levels in who you're able to date, then you better get busy and make yourself into something special so you can attract that via talent, skill, money making, being fascinating to talk to, and if you're not confident or can't project confidence, you're just barking up a tree. Because no one dates out of pity."

 

And what part of this is me NOT saying anyone other than short guys have to make themselves into something if they're going to want to date the most attractive people:

 

"For men and women, if you want to jump up levels in who you're able to date, then you better get busy and make yourself into something special so you can attract..."

 

So I just debunked your twisting my words on both counts with my exact original post, and I'd appreciate if you'd stop lying and telling people I'm saying things I'm not saying.

 

And I wish the people who comment on it saying I'm not representative of everyone here would also read all my posts because all you're doing is believing his untrue version of MY words.

 

P.S. Evanescentworld debunked all your nonsense yesterday on my post and you know it, but here you are back again repeating yourself.

 

Just because they're short doesn't make them nice people, trust me. I had a client who was short and he was one of the biggest jerks I've ever met.

 

So it has nothing to do with "deserve to be loved." They deserve to be loved if someone finds them lovable. The problem with short guys, as it is with a lot of other guys, is they are never satisfied dating the women who WANT to date them and all feel entitled to move up a few levels in attractiveness. Plenty of short guys end up married, but they're not going to be married to someone way out of their attractiveness level unless they excel at something and are confident. Without confidence and accomplishment, they will probably not get the girl everyone considers beautiful or pretty or girl next door. They will get their female counterpart, the mousey girl, the girl with acne, the socially awkward girl, the unconfident girl, etc. Is it fair? Life isn't fair. You get out of it what you put into it. Being short doesn't make you a good guy. It doesn't mean you'll treat women better. In fact, you're likely to harbor all kinds of built up resentment that will make you treat them worse.

 

And yet you forgot to add all of this that you said......

 

As you were saying? Now your trying to ignore some of the things you said, that I called you out on. So which view do you exactly have? You see how this comes across as insulting?

[xxoo]

What I'm understanding is that the short guys are upset because the tall guys don't have to work as hard to attract beautiful women or ONS.

 

But the desire for beautiful women and ONS are inherently shallow, so why is it surprising that it shallow qualities make it easier to fulfill?

 

For average men who want to appreciate an average woman and have a relationship with her, height is not a significant factor.

[NJ123]

Maybe I was mistaken in the order you did it in. But how can you throw in insults & compliments all in the same post? It's ridiculous.