Consolidated Discussion - A man's/woman's height in the search for relationships

[somedude81]

Because as a 32 year old man(?) you are supposed to be graduating from the tweeners and party girls and looking more toward the women..You know, the ones that have good careers, are more stable, and arent out whoring around in bars or hanging out with their BFFs and playing Minecraft..

 

But what do I know....

 

TFY

 

I've never had any interest in party girls, whores or girls who go to bars and clubs.

 

I don't care if a girl has a career.

 

And what's wrong with girls who like to play video games?

[PJKino]

Its hillarious how women always complain and want men to love them for who they are and how real women have flaws and blah blah blah yet so many arent willign to budge on strict height requirements they want to be loved for their flaws but wont do the same for short men

[topaMAXX]

Well, different things work for different people. It depends what the guy's issues are.

 

Unfortunately, we don't know how even the most frequent posters behave IRL. So it becomes difficult to give advice.

 

Forget the girls in clubs....Forget girls period...Work on the other areas of your life and you will meet quality women...Not a bunch of party girl tramps and sluts.....I worked in clubs for years., boy do I know..

 

Im serious, bro...It will happen..I know you dont believe it. Women arent as complicated and elusive as you are making them out to be..You just need to know what twists their knobs, and some smooth talking and contrived PUA bullshyt isnt the answer..

 

TFY

 

I don't suggest PUA to many people. Also, it's not actually "contrived". When I suggest that someone does PUA, it means that they should go out and get tons of (guided) experience. The good thing about clubs is that there are tons of women in one place. So the guy could work on his approach.

 

And if you could pick up strangers at clubs, you will definitely be able to seduce that girl you work with or the girl in one of your classes.

 

Personally, I disagree with the advice that getting a career, hobbies, etc. help with women. They've never been particularly helpful to me **UNLESS I chose the hobby BECAUSE it involved a lot of women**.

 

Also, I have a pretty good job for a guy my age. I will be the first to tell people that this does not matter at all to women.

 

As I tell most guys, if you can make her panties wet and keep them wet, you will get and keep the girl (this is primarily true for only western women).

[somedude81]

 

And if you could pick up strangers at clubs, you will definitely be able to seduce that girl you work with or the girl in one of your classes.

 

How so?

 

The environment at a club or a bar is completely different from in a class.

 

Plus, people aren't usually drunk in class.

 

I really want to learn how to get women in classes, campus clubs, meet up groups and work.

[thefooloftheyear]

Well, different things work for different people. It depends what the guy's issues are.

 

Unfortunately, we don't know how even the most frequent posters behave IRL. So it becomes difficult to give advice.

 

Agreed

 

 

I don't suggest PUA to many people. Also, it's not actually "contrived". When I suggest that someone does PUA, it means that they should go out and get tons of (guided) experience. The good thing about clubs is that there are tons of women in one place. So the guy could work on his approach.

 

Anything that doesn't come natural, is by nature, somewhat contrived..

 

And if you could pick up strangers at clubs, you will definitely be able to seduce that girl you work with or the girl in one of your classes.

 

I dunno...When I hear this, it almost sounds like some sort of trick or game(getting women to show attention)..I cant speak for everyone but I never had to actively seduce a woman, nor would I even know where to start...Yet I have never had any trouble attracting attention from women(or girls)...In fact, I am sort of a social misfit, in that I hate making idle talk with strangers of either gender..It still never stopped me*shrug*

 

Personally, I disagree with the advice that getting a career, hobbies, etc. help with women. They've never been particularly helpful to me **UNLESS I chose the hobby BECAUSE it involved a lot of women**.

 

Thats nuts, bro....The point is NOT to have the career for the sole purpose of attracting women...Heck, if I wanted to do that Id have become a hairdresser or gynecologist....But seriously...While I interact with a lot of women in my businesses, I am in a "male type" of business..And all my hobbies and interests are the type where you would hardly ever see a woman....Dont worry...If you are desirable, theyll find you easy enough...

 

And having a great career(and making a nice living) has a dual effect...It makes you feel great about yourself and allows you to live a more comfortable and enriched life...THIS IS THE STUFF THAT REAL WOMEN WANT...Now thats not to say they are gold diggers or looking for a well off guy to rescue them,....To the contrary....They are attracted to it because it shows that the guy is on top of his game, he's in demand for his knowledge and expertise, he can get paid well for it...Women find these traits crazy attractive..trust me..

 

 

Also, I have a pretty good job for a guy my age. I will be the first to tell people that this does not matter at all to women.

 

Thats nonsense....A job alone wont land you the woman of your dreams, but women want men that have good jobs./careers..Now you need not be a CEO or entrepreneur type, but if you are passionate about what you do-its a big plus..Women want to feel like they can be provided for, even though nowadays, they dont need it...Its just an instinctual thing...So they usually gravitate towards the leaders and the heavies..

 

As I tell most guys, if you can make her panties wet and keep them wet, you will get and keep the girl (this is primarily true for only western women).

 

With all due repsect, you are overcomplicating this...

 

Its not a trick or game...Sure you may fool some naive noob girl with some of this "textbook" garbage, but real women(desirable) will see right through this...And you will be mocked and ridiculed over it..

 

I dunno...Like I said, I never in my whole life had to resort to reading books, learning how to get "game".or implementing some sort of "gameplan" to attract women...I wouldnt even know what the hell real "game" was..And I am pretty short as well..I do have a pretty good physique, but I am covered up all the time, so its not like I am using that as a lure..I have no doubt its because i am a confident and self assured guy..I am one of those people that when I talk, everyone listens..And I am a natural leader.....Looks come second..

 

IME, its all about confidence and what type of image the world sees of you...You cant fake it...You either have it or you dont...

 

.02

 

TFY

Edited May 20, 2014 by thefooloftheyear

[PJKino]

If you are relying on cold approaches, then height and looks matter significantly more. Just as women's appearance matters more in cold approach. You won't approach a woman at all if you aren't physically attracted.

 

But if you develop some social connections, and get to know a larger group of people, then things like a good job and a nice lifestyle will be very attractive to women you get to know. You won't have to rely on looks alone. Can you imagine how much easier dating would be then?

 

But if you want to rely on looks and height, having the same results, and blaming your height, keep on doing exactly what you're doing.

 

So youre saying theyres no way a short man can be attractive physically at first look to a women?

[thefooloftheyear]

So youre saying theyres no way a short man can be attractive physically at first look to a women?

 

 

I dont see that....

 

What I think she is saying(from what I can extract), is just like a woman that has a nice ass or big breasts might be more appealing than a typical size 12 woman with average assets -to a large group of men in the same way a guy with a good body and 6'2" height would be more appealing to a woman, when walking down the street..

 

But, I dont think a tall, unattractive out of shape guy will have anything over a shorter good looking one with a nice body...All equal, the taller guy might have the edge, but only to the women who really put a high priority on that..Some guys wont give a flat chested woman a second look..Its the same deal..

 

Again, we are talking just people walking down the street..Everyone knows that there is so much more in the end..

 

TFY

[xxoo]

So youre saying theyres no way a short man can be attractive physically at first look to a women?

 

Gosh, no. I see hot short guys all the time. I just don't think they are hot because they are short. Short is at best neutral. A hot bod or strong jawline is panty-dropping no matter what his height

[somedude81]

Gosh, no. I see hot short guys all the time. I just don't think they are hot because they are short. Short is at best neutral. A hot bod or strong jawline is panty-dropping no matter what his height

 

A good honest post.

 

Short is at best a neutral.

 

Meaning, that at worst it's a negative. I'd wager it's a negative in most normal situations.

 

A women will never say, "And he's short too!" The best thing a woman will ever do, is not say anything at all about a short man's height.

Edited May 23, 2014 by somedude81

[xxoo]

A good honest post.

 

Short is at best a neutral.

 

Meaning, that at worst it's a negative. I'd wager it's a negative in most normal situations.

 

A women will never say, "And he's short too!" The best thing a woman will ever do, is not say anything at all about a short man's height.

 

Short can be a negative in physical attraction, as can many other genetically determined things, from skin quality to hair lushness to teeth alignment and size and shape of features. Most of the successfully dating people in the world have a mix of attractive and unattractive features, and we just work what we've got!

[PJKino]

Gosh, no. I see hot short guys all the time. I just don't think they are hot because they are short. Short is at best neutral. A hot bod or strong jawline is panty-dropping no matter what his height

 

Fair enough which is why i always say male height or lack of is the most universal preference of a physical trait in the dating world

 

Theyres men who prefer meat on a women or even large women and are turned off by skinny women but no women prefers short or is turned off by kinda of tall

 

But men do have a much more diverse taste in what theyre physically attracted to as opposed to women so it doesnt surprise me

[PJKino]

Gosh, no. I see hot short guys all the time. I just don't think they are hot because they are short.

 

But you could think a guys hot simply for being tall and not much else physically??

[xxoo]

Fair enough which is why i always say male height or lack of is the most universal preference of a physical trait in the dating world

 

Theyres men who prefer meat on a women or even large women and are turnd off by skkinny woemn no women prefers short.

 

Tall is positive and short is neutral or negative.

 

But so what? There are dozens other factors to consider, and height is far from the most important factor for many women (thus all the short married men in the world having short babies!)

 

Why fixate on something you don't have? Why not focus on, and capitalize on, what you do have going for you?

[PJKino]

Tall is positive and short is neutral or negative.

 

But so what? There are dozens other factors to consider, and height is far from the most important factor for many women (thus all the short married men in the world having short babies!)

 

Why fixate on something you don't have? Why not focus on, and capitalize on, what you do have going for you?

 

Because if youre short the door closes in your face before u can set foot in it with most women

 

meanwhile simply being tall has some goofy magic effect on women:rolleyes:

[xxoo]

But you could think a guys hot simply for being tall and not much else physically??

 

Absolutely not. Tall and obese is not hot to me.

[xxoo]

Because if youre short the door closes in your face before u can set foot in it with most women

 

meanwhile simply being tall has some goofy magic effect on women:rolleyes:

 

I'd argue with the "most women" part because I know so many short guys who don't have these problems. I really don't think it's height that is the major issue.

[PJKino]

I'd argue with the "most women" part because I know so many short guys who don't have these problems. I really don't think it's height that is the major issue.

 

Why do you think short men complain all the time on these sites about getting shut down by women because of their height compared to any other physical flawed people ? are they all making it up?

 

Theyres studies articles and hateful things said by thousands of women online about short men to show its not a made up problem

 

Because some short men have women doesnt mean it doesnt exist theyres billions of women on this planet some are gonna have to settle with short guys or be alone

[somedude81]

Tall is positive and short is neutral or negative.

 

But so what? There are dozens other factors to consider, and height is far from the most important factor for many women (thus all the short married men in the world having short babies!)

 

Why fixate on something you don't have? Why not focus on, and capitalize on, what you do have going for you?

 

Because I'm single.

 

That's it.

 

I didn't give a damn about my height when I had a girlfriend. I didn't care about any of my negatives. They didn't matter when I had a woman in my bed.

 

But now that I'm single and struggling again, there is no way I can pretend my negatives don't exist.

[xxoo]

Because I'm single.

 

That's it.

 

I didn't give a damn about my height when I had a girlfriend. I didn't care about any of my negatives. They didn't matter when I had a woman in my bed.

 

But now that I'm single and struggling again, there is no way I can pretend my negatives don't exist.

 

You have negatives that you can DO something about. Things you CAN improve. Yet you focus on height, which you can't change, and which is no big deal for guys who develop other positives.

 

Is it easier to complain about something you can't change than work on something you can change?

[PJKino]

Because I'm single.

 

That's it.

 

I didn't give a damn about my height when I had a girlfriend. I didn't care about any of my negatives. They didn't matter when I had a woman in my bed.

 

But now that I'm single and struggling again, there is no way I can pretend my negatives don't exist.

 

If we were tall the only criteria wed have to be attractive is not be obese lol

[somedude81]

You have negatives that you can DO something about. Things you CAN improve. Yet you focus on height, which you can't change, and which is no big deal for guys who develop other positives.

 

Is it easier to complain about something you can't change than work on something you can change?

 

For me personally, I have a general feeling of hopelessness. Which leads me to focus on the thing that I can't change. It's a way for me to prove that there is no hope. I can't do anything about my height, so women will never want me.

 

Also, the things I can change, either have a very small impact, or are not as easy to change as people try to say they are.

 

For example, I know I need friends in my life. Though for me, making real friends is just as hard as finding women to date. Actually, making guy friends is harder than getting women to date me since I've been on a handful of dates and had one real girlfriend, while I haven't been able to make a guy friend in 5 years, despite putting in real effort.

[xxoo]

If we were tall the only criteria wed have to be attractive is not be obese lol

 

Obese was just an obvious example. Attraction is nuanced, and tall alone isn't nearly enough. But it is ONE positive physical trait.

 

Capitalize on the positives you have.

[PJKino]

Obese was just an obvious example. Attraction is nuanced, and tall alone isn't nearly enough. But it is ONE positive physical trait.

 

Capitalize on the positives you have.

 

Apparently i have none going on 34 with no sucess thats not a fluke lol

[Anela]

You have negatives that you can DO something about. Things you CAN improve. Yet you focus on height, which you can't change, and which is no big deal for guys who develop other positives.

 

Is it easier to complain about something you can't change than work on something you can change?

 

I can relate in that way. It can be hard to imagine being on the other side. Once I can see it, I'm more inclined/motivated to do more to work towards it.

 

Because I'm single.

 

That's it.

 

I didn't give a damn about my height when I had a girlfriend. I didn't care about any of my negatives. They didn't matter when I had a woman in my bed.

 

But now that I'm single and struggling again, there is no way I can pretend my negatives don't exist.

 

She didn't give a damn about your height, obviously. You're just focused on the wrong things - about you, and in what you're hoping to attract (one college girl dating you, doesn't mean that you will attract a flood of them - but I think you'd have better luck if you did develop more interests, as well as interest in the people and the world around you.

[Anela]

For me personally, I have a general feeling of hopelessness. Which leads me to focus on the thing that I can't change. It's a way for me to prove that there is no hope. I can't do anything about my height, so women will never want me.

 

Also, the things I can change, either have a very small impact, or are not as easy to change as people try to say they are.

 

For example, I know I need friends in my life. Though for me, making real friends is just as hard as finding women to date. Actually, making guy friends is harder than getting women to date me since I've been on a handful of dates and had one real girlfriend, while I haven't been able to make a guy friend in 5 years, despite putting in real effort.

 

Hokie wanted to take you to Vegas. I remember those posts. I can't remember why it didn't happen, though.