M30USA Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 I'm mostly looking for information from those with a good amount of biblical knowledge and therefore don't want to get into a typical religious debate. But please share with me what you know about the "Jezebel spirit". Jezebel was the wife of an ancient Israeli king, Ahab. She was most noted for her domineering, manipulative ways. Her goal in life was to get her way, all the time, regardless of how she achieved it or who she destroyed. I have heard commentary that the Jezebel spirit is behind many divorces, much false doctrine in the church, many sociopathologies in society, and even things like cancer. Please share what you know about this. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 This might be helpful: DON'T TOLERATE The Jezebel Spirit ... DISCERNING THE JEZEBEL SPIRIT ! - YouTube I really respect Pastor Morris. He gives some of the best teachings on the spiritual realm and spiritual gifts. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 This might be helpful: DON'T TOLERATE The Jezebel Spirit ... DISCERNING THE JEZEBEL SPIRIT ! - YouTube I really respect Pastor Morris. He gives some of the best teachings on the spiritual realm and spiritual gifts. TFW, I watched that already before you posted it! Thanks! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 TFW, I watched that already before you posted it! Thanks! LOL Great minds think alike Whenever I want to know something spiritual I look to either him, Charles Stanley, or Jack Hayford. Hayford has an apostle's spirit. I've never heard anyone emit so much "meat" in one sermon. Pastor Jack Hayford - Watch Spirit Formed TV Show Free Online - Christian Video Ministry Might be something there for you Hope it helps! Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 LOL Great minds think alike Whenever I want to know something spiritual I look to either him, Charles Stanley, or Jack Hayford. Hayford has an apostle's spirit. I've never heard anyone emit so much "meat" in one sermon. Pastor Jack Hayford - Watch Spirit Formed TV Show Free Online - Christian Video Ministry Might be something there for you Hope it helps! Charles Stanley is my top choice. Other than him I typically go for John MacArthur. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Sounds like some witch burning parties might be just around the corner. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 Sounds like some witch burning parties might be just around the corner. Funny that you should mention witchcraft. Do you know much about witchcraft? Do you know the definition and characteristics of witchcraft? Hint: it's not what you see on Hollywood. You will find that the Jezebel spirit IS witchcraft. Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Try telling that to the literally millions of women burned to death in the 17th century, and the Salem so-called Witches.... The other thing to look at, if we're looking for justifications, explanations and root causes of someone being a complete and utter bitch, is the other side of the coin. This so-called Madonna/whore complex.... If the Jezebel Spirit is a female domain, the Madonna/whore complex is the male domain.... Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 And here I thought cancer was caused by things like exposure to radiation and UV rays, alcohol and tobacco use. I had no idea I was causing it. Sorry everyone! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Seeing as I cause cancer AND I divorced my alcoholic ex husband who is now living in what use to be called the Valley of the sun, why isn't he dead yet? Link to post Share on other sites
TheFinalWord Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Hey guys, Jezebel spirit is named after a woman in the bible but it is not exclusively a gender-specific spirit. It impacts men too. Also, there is a counterpart to it, the spirit of Ahab. It is the spirit of manipulation and control. If you want to know more that link to Robert Morris is very helpful (though the YouTube link title is distasteful I agree. Pastor Morris did not actually put that video up with that title, someone else did). No spiritual issue should be solved through physical attacks, like burning people at the stake (BTW Christians have burned each other at the stake, see William Tyndale, burned for translating the bible from Greek to English). The weapons of our warfare are not human weapons, as though such weapons could impact the spiritual realm. Prayer, intercession, the armor of God, and the Sword of the Spirit are our weapons. "Though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds." "Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God." Peace Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 And here I thought cancer was caused by things like exposure to radiation and UV rays, alcohol and tobacco use. I had no idea I was causing it. Sorry everyone! Yes. Just like the large-scale study by Duke University, referenced by Dr. Barry Franklin, which proves that "anger and hostility" are not only risk factors for heart disease but can also trigger a heart attack. Your views are outdated by research. Emotional, spiritual, and psychological factors are provably linked to all aspects of health. Therefore it stands to reason that the Jezebel spirit would also negatively impact health--just like "UV rays". Link to post Share on other sites
TaraMaiden Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 They exacerbate an existent problem. They don't cause it.... A person's body already carries cancerous malignant cells all the time. There's a pathological trigger, but the psychology works on the progress. it's not the cause. A heart subject to an attack is subjected to that attack by existent physical reasons. Stress can exacerbate the problem, but the heart/surrounding arteries was/were already faulty... Your former wife is a psychotic bitch. Just because you name 'the condition', doesn't take away the fact that she was already like that. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Yes. Just like the large-scale study by Duke University, referenced by Dr. Barry Franklin, which proves that "anger and hostility" are not only risk factors for heart disease but can also trigger a heart attack. Your views are outdated by research. Emotional, spiritual, and psychological factors are provably linked to all aspects of health. Therefore it stands to reason that the Jezebel spirit would also negatively impact health--just like "UV rays". Can you think of an explanation for why cancer cells were found in the preserved remains of humans older that the era of Jezebel if they are indeed caused by the spirit of Jezebel? You are taking the effects of stress on general health and trying to suggest that it alone causes cancer. This is not true. Yes, stress on top of cancer would lower a person's ability to survive cancer treatment but it has never been the cause of anyone's cancer. Its a bit irresponsible to suggest otherwise and LS is not a place where laymen are welcomed to dish out medical guidance. My MIL is the only person in her immediate family to never have had cancer. You are suggesting that she is Jezebel? Or are you suggesting that someone could grow up in a house so plagued with your spirit of Jezebel yet not present with cancer? Please consider that you might just be talking out the side of your face about a serious issue that people should take to doctors while not really having the education or knowledge of it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Can you think of an explanation for why cancer cells were found in the preserved remains of humans older that the era of Jezebel if they are indeed caused by the spirit of Jezebel? The spirit of Jezebel is distinct from the person of Jezebel. The spirit is a demonic force which possesses many individuals (not just women), most notably Jezebel. That is how the spirit of Jezebel can predate Jezebel. You are taking the effects of stress on general health and trying to suggest that it alone causes cancer. This is not true. Yes, stress on top of cancer would lower a person's ability to survive cancer treatment but it has never been the cause of anyone's cancer. Its a bit irresponsible to suggest otherwise and LS is not a place where laymen are welcomed to dish out medical guidance. We don't know what causes cancer. That's a fact. No, I'm not a doctor, but I have a strong science education and I am well-read on medical subjects. Cancer is believed to have multiple, complex causes which are not understood. The causes are all theory at this point. Cancer is not like an infectious disease where the cause can be identified as a certain bacteria or virus. My MIL is the only person in her immediate family to never have had cancer. You are suggesting that she is Jezebel? Or are you suggesting that someone could grow up in a house so plagued with your spirit of Jezebel yet not present with cancer? Please consider that you might just be talking out the side of your face about a serious issue that people should take to doctors while not really having the education or knowledge of it. This is similar to the debate of whether or not all natural disasters are God's direct judgement on a person/group. We cannot say for sure whether, for example, the massive tsunami in Indonesia several years ago was a judgement. But we do know for sure that, in the biblical past, God has done such things and it wouldn't not be inconsistent with the Bible. So I will not say that all women with breast cancer have it because of the Jezebel spirit, but I do know that there are some. Link to post Share on other sites
sally4sara Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 We don't know what causes cancer. That's a fact. No, I'm not a doctor, but I have a strong science education and I am well-read on medical subjects. Cancer is believed to have multiple, complex causes which are not understood. The causes are all theory at this point. Cancer is not like an infectious disease where the cause can be identified as a certain bacteria or virus. Yes actually those things can be identified and yes sometimes it is a certain bacteria or virus depending on the type of cancer. Example being HPV causing cervical cancer and genital cancers in men. Or bacterial caused gastric cancers. Seriously this stuff isn't hard to find information or even all that new as far as medical discoveries. I know you like your bible and your faith but it is negligent to try to spread false information about serious medical conditions over it. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Yes actually those things can be identified and yes sometimes it is a certain bacteria or virus depending on the type of cancer. Example being HPV causing cervical cancer and genital cancers in men. Or bacterial caused gastric cancers. Seriously this stuff isn't hard to find information or even all that new as far as medical discoveries. I know you like your bible and your faith but it is negligent to try to spread false information about serious medical conditions over it. I work in the medical field at a hospital with heart patients. Don't assume to know my knowledge range. And, no, you are incorrect. There is a difference between a cause and a contributing factor (or trigger). Let's use your example of heliobacter pylori in the stomach which causes ulcers. Research this topic and you will find that, while h. pylori needs to be present in the stomach for ulcers to occur, there are numerous cases where it does NOT cause ulcers. Research has shown that heliobacter pylori in the stomach is a trigger, not a cause. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 So I will not say that all women with breast cancer have it because of the Jezebel spirit/] Well, that's progressive thinking. but I do know that there are some. So what they need is an exorcism? Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 So I will not say that all women with breast cancer have it because of the Jezebel spirit/] Well, that's progressive thinking. So what they need is an exorcism? I don't believe in exorcism, I believe in repentance. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 (edited) So I was just reading about the manifestation Jezebel spirit on several Internet sites. Question: If a woman has breast cancer, do you label her as "A Jezebel" mainly because the cancer has happened in a female body part? So even a nice lady with breast cancer can and often is "A Jezebel," in your opinion? Or just bitchy manipulative narcissistic ladies with breast cancer? Are you deeming a woman as possessed by an evil spirit based upon her behavior, or her cancer? And, I just read a whole article designating all of Catholicism as "witchcraft" due to Jezebel spirit - specifically, the elevation of Mary. Now I'm starting to get riled up. Edited September 11, 2012 by Mme. Chaucer 2 Link to post Share on other sites
mercy Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Women with breast cancer feel enough shame. This is just sad. It's the blame game. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 So I was just reading about the manifestation Jezebel spirit on several Internet sites. Question: If a woman has breast cancer, do you label her as "A Jezebel" mainly because the cancer has happened in a female body part? So even a nice lady with breast cancer can and often is "A Jezebel," in your opinion? Or just bitchy manipulative narcissistic ladies with breast cancer? Are you deeming a woman as possessed by an evil spirit based upon her behavior, or her cancer? And, I just read a whole article designating all of Catholicism as "witchcraft" due to Jezebel spirit - specifically, the elevation of Mary. Now I'm starting to get riled up. Don't get riled up. There are lots of stupid people, Christian and non-Christian. Forget them. Just research on your own and come to your own reasonable conclusions. Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Women with breast cancer feel enough shame. This is just sad. It's the blame game. Who is blaming women with cancer? Please quote even a single person who is blaming women with cancer. Link to post Share on other sites
mercy Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Who is blaming women with cancer? Please quote even a single person who is blaming women with cancer. Am I not understanding? Do you believe some breast cancer comes from this Jezebel spirit? Link to post Share on other sites
Author M30USA Posted September 11, 2012 Author Share Posted September 11, 2012 Am I not understanding? Do you believe some breast cancer comes from this Jezebel spirit? I will repost what I wrote earlier: This is similar to the debate of whether or not all natural disasters are God's direct judgement on a person/group. We cannot say for sure whether, for example, the massive tsunami in Indonesia several years ago was a judgement. But we do know for sure that, in the biblical past, God has done such things and it wouldn't not be inconsistent with the Bible. So I will not say that all women with breast cancer have it because of the Jezebel spirit, but I do know that there are some. Now I will add: If we know that bad habits such as smoking, sedentary lifestyle, drugs, etc, can contribute to the risk of cancer, when then is it unreasonable to believe that a harmful spiritual state (such as the spirit of Jezebel) can also contribute to the risk of cancer? Link to post Share on other sites
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