question for mm or bs

[AnotherRound]

Doesn't matter. Your point is how is it that she could bring herself to want him after knowing he is a cheating lying pr!ck.

 

Same goes for an OW. It looks rather silly for an OW to make those statements about a BS when she is also fawning all over a cheating, lying pr!ck.

 

I think that calling WHs "cheatin, lying pricks" is against the forum guidelines. And, it's a bit offensive, imo.

[j'adore]

That would depend as to whether he was crying at the thought of losing his children/bs or the other woman. My MM cried when I tried to finish it. I wonder how BS feel if they knew that? I am sure he probably cried to his BS too. And I really don't find it funny.

[j'adore]

Just that is what happens, passions get raised,people cry with emotiion, people shoot each other, murder each other in these situations, calling names and a slap is nowt it was a one time only, i admit I have slapped him before, who cares. You call him Mr Messy, hardly respectful either.l

[thomasb]

Exactly why should she be respectful to a lying cheat?

[canuckprincess]

My xH and I had several Ddays of various degrees. He was a serial cheater who escalated ( I thought) from sexting to sex with strangers.

 

The reason it took several Ddays for me to leave was because I really loved him and he at first convinced me he had stopped by crying and begging, then crying and begging and marriage counseling, then crying and begging, marriage counseling and psychiatry.

 

I know it varies w/ each BS, but for many I notice it depends in part on how much crying and begging you can take until you realize you are married to a cry baby bi*ch and decide to bail and try your luck with a real man.

 

OMG thank you I needed a good laugh. Not so sexy when the big man cries and begs like a 3 year old.

[whichwayisup]

Just that is what happens' date=' passions get raised,people cry with emotiion, people shoot each other, murder each other in these situations, calling names and a slap is nowt it was a one time only, i admit I have slapped him before, who cares. [b']You call him Mr Messy, hardly respectful either[/b].l

 

Uhh, he was the cheater. The one who put BNB and their children through hell. You are aware they are divorced and no longer married, right? Why on earth should she 'respect' her EX husband, the liar, the cheater?

[nofool4u]

I think that calling WHs "cheatin, lying pricks" is against the forum guidelines. And, it's a bit offensive, imo.

 

First off they ARE cheaters. They wouldn't be WH's if they didn't cheat.

 

Second, they DO lie. Cheaters are liars by default.

 

You can think its offensive if you want. No names were mentioned and I wasn't talking about anyone specific

 

But its no more offensive so than the pain and betrayal they dole out to their spouses and other people in real life.

 

If it pleases you, I will take back the "pricks" part, but the other attributes stand because they are true.

Edited September 20, 2012 by nofool4u

[AnotherRound]

First off they ARE cheaters. They wouldn't be WH's if they didn't cheat.

 

Second, they DO lie. Cheaters are liars by default.

 

You can think its offensive if you want. No names were mentioned and I wasn't talking about anyone specific

 

But its no more offensive so than the pain and betrayal they dole out to their spouses and other people in real life.

 

If it pleases you, I will take back the "pricks" part, but the other attributes stand because they are true.

 

 

Not all people who engage in As are liars. That's a false statement. You are working under the assumption that all BSs are "in the darK", and that's simply not true. Some people who are in As are honest with their spouses about that fact.

 

I know that you weren't talking about anyone specific, I just remember that one of the moderators stated recently that it was against the guidelines to call a group of people on the boards names. And, it seemed like you were grouping all WSs into a bundle and saying that they all lie. Again, this is false. Some are very honest with their spouses about what they are doing. Some even tell the spouses before hand about what they are going to do.

 

Just pointing out a really broad generalization, and attempting to help you not get points or banned, as until recently, I was unaware of that particular guideline of not calling a group of posters names.

[Ladydrib]

My H made it sound like he was completely done with the homewrecker and that she never meant anything, that he couldn't control her texting and emailing him.

 

Of course he did. He wanted to keep you both. If he did not feed you the same lies he was feeding her (she was chasing him, you were tired out and unappealing). There may be some truth in both statements, but I'll tell you, an other woman does not stay because she gets a pleasent report on the wife. She stays because she hears how terrible you are and how miserable you make him. And I suppose he lies to you too, saying ow are desperate. But if they were so desperate, would men be chasing them? And don't think they are not. Do you not realize a man does not have sex if he doesn't want to?? Come on. They seek us out. In fact, as only one example, all I had to do is give my married man a look and he'd throw his wedding ring and sit and stay on command. This resulted through subtle eye contact. I'm sure your husband did not share these details with you. I'm sorry it might sound harsh, but it is true. It's why I had the self respect to leave my husband for doing this to me. Not acceptable to me. But perhaps you not only are a hypocrite, but also a pushover for allowing him to play you like a fool. Just like they do "other women"

 

Listen to your words "he made it sound" yeah, that statement is full of doubt, a secure woman would say, "my husband is paying dearly for his mistake and I have no doubt in my mind that he will never do this again". And again. "made it sound" that's serious doubt in your mind. You may as well have said "I suspect he's lieing, but I'm going to be a fool and believe him, just because he said so. AND "homewrecker" you are not owning your role in this. You obviously did not make him happy enough and your insecurity is being comforted by calling her names. If that's what you need to do to justify taking him back, well then I guess you're just a liar too. Lieing to yourself. Be prepared, you will either be left or cheated on again. It's your destiny because you have not taken charge, you have enabled and permitted. He has a free pass. Guess who won? Not the other woman. Certainly not you. He did. And even if you left him, he wouldn't care, or he would not have made that risk in the first place. Sure he says he cares, but it's out of fear of the unknown, not out of love. People who are in love do not doubt if they are in love. Sorry. Time for a new man.

[AnotherRound]

Of course he did. He wanted to keep you both. If he did not feed you the same lies he was feeding her (she was chasing him, you were tired out and unappealing). There may be some truth in both statements, but I'll tell you, an other woman does not stay because she gets a pleasent report on the wife. She stays because she hears how terrible you are and how miserable you make him. And I suppose he lies to you too, saying ow are desperate. But if they were so desperate, would men be chasing them? And don't think they are not. Do you not realize a man does not have sex if he doesn't want to?? Come on. They seek us out. In fact, as only one example, all I had to do is give my married man a look and he'd throw his wedding ring and sit and stay on command. This resulted through subtle eye contact. I'm sure your husband did not share these details with you. I'm sorry it might sound harsh, but it is true. It's why I had the self respect to leave my husband for doing this to me. Not acceptable to me. But perhaps you not only are a hypocrite, but also a pushover for allowing him to play you like a fool. Just like they do "other women"

 

Listen to your words "he made it sound" yeah, that statement is full of doubt, a secure woman would say, "my husband is paying dearly for his mistake and I have no doubt in my mind that he will never do this again". And again. "made it sound" that's serious doubt in your mind. You may as well have said "I suspect he's lieing, but I'm going to be a fool and believe him, just because he said so. AND "homewrecker" you are not owning your role in this. You obviously did not make him happy enough and your insecurity is being comforted by calling her names. If that's what you need to do to justify taking him back, well then I guess you're just a liar too. Lieing to yourself. Be prepared, you will either be left or cheated on again. It's your destiny because you have not taken charge, you have enabled and permitted. He has a free pass. Guess who won? Not the other woman. Certainly not you. He did. And even if you left him, he wouldn't care, or he would not have made that risk in the first place. Sure he says he cares, but it's out of fear of the unknown, not out of love. People who are in love do not doubt if they are in love. Sorry. Time for a new man.

 

I agree with some of what you said here. It just struck me that I am so glad that my exMM did not do this with me - the painting his wife as a horrible person. Yes, he did have complaints about her, but he also had praise for her. It was balanced, as much as it could be considering he was so unhappy with her. He often stated that she was a great mother, that she was good at her job, that she was a hard worker, that she was a sweet person and caring towards others, that everyone likes her. So, I didn't get the one sided, "she's a horrible person" speech. Yes, when he was frustrated, I heard what he was frustrated about, and it often included her behaviors and/or personality. But, he was also quick to say that he was not perfect, and the she had obviously dealt with a lot for him.

 

I guess, I just respect him even more for that, when I come here and hear all the stories that some MMs tell about their wives to the OW. It is interesting, bc, had he been that guy, I would have doubted what he said bc nobody is all bad or all good, and it would have seemed untrue.

 

Just interesting.

[woinlove]

Not all people who engage in As are liars. That's a false statement. You are working under the assumption that all BSs are "in the darK", and that's simply not true. Some people who are in As are honest with their spouses about that fact.

 

I know that you weren't talking about anyone specific, I just remember that one of the moderators stated recently that it was against the guidelines to call a group of people on the boards names. And, it seemed like you were grouping all WSs into a bundle and saying that they all lie. Again, this is false. Some are very honest with their spouses about what they are doing. Some even tell the spouses before hand about what they are going to do.

 

Just pointing out a really broad generalization, and attempting to help you not get points or banned, as until recently, I was unaware of that particular guideline of not calling a group of posters names.

 

It is the terminology used here. If there is a BS, WS, and AP, then it is called an affair. For cases where there is no BS/WS/AP and things are open and honest, we just call it a relationship, or if you like a relationship outside the marriage. That's the terminology used in an open M and it applies to any case, where nothing is hidden and there is no deception -- then, there's no potential for a d-day either. Much like a single person having simultaneous non-exclusive R's, where everyone involved knows it is non-exclusive and there is no deception or betrayal. That isn't called an affair.

Edited September 21, 2012 by woinlove

[AnotherRound]

It is the terminology used here. If there is a BS, WS, and AP, then it is called an affair. For cases where there is no BS/WS/AP and things are open and honest, we just call it a relationship, or if you like a relationship outside the marriage. That's the terminology used in an open M and it applies to any case, where nothing is hidden and there is no deception -- then, there's no potential for a d-day either. Much like a single person having simultaneous non-exclusive R's, where everyone involved knows it is non-exclusive and there is no deception or betrayal. That isn't called an affair.

 

People keep saying that to me, but I'm not sure what to call it? Because his stbxw did not agree to it, she just simply refused to talk about it all. She had the information, but did nothing with it... but deep down, was not in agreement with it. So, what would you call it? An open marriage? Bc the stbxw did state that she was not keen on an "open marriage", but knew he was seeing me and didn't do or say anything to stop it. She recently told him that she only filed for divorce bc the other OW started causing problems, and that had it went along like it had with he and I, she would have stayed married to him forever, despite him having a relationship with me (or at least until their child was out of the home).

 

Label that you would use? So I can avoid this issue in the future?

[Saba]

People keep saying that to me, but I'm not sure what to call it? Because his stbxw did not agree to it, she just simply refused to talk about it all. She had the information, but did nothing with it... but deep down, was not in agreement with it. So, what would you call it? An open marriage? Bc the stbxw did state that she was not keen on an "open marriage", but knew he was seeing me and didn't do or say anything to stop it. She recently told him that she only filed for divorce bc the other OW started causing problems, and that had it went along like it had with he and I, she would have stayed married to him forever, despite him having a relationship with me (or at least until their child was out of the home).

 

Label that you would use? So I can avoid this issue in the future?

 

In my opinion I would call what you had with him an open relationship (as both women knew and shared him) and I would call the relaltionship he had with his wife an abusive marriage.

Edited September 21, 2012 by Saba
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[j'adore]

OMG thank you I needed a good laugh. Not so sexy when the big man cries and begs like a 3 year old.

 

You are all heart, take it you are a BS too! it might explain why you are a BS.

 

I also cannot understand why miserable divorced people would be on OW board.

[AnotherRound]

In my opinion I would call what you had with him an open relationship (as both women knew and shared him) and I would call the relaltionship he had with his wife an abusive marriage.

 

I would agree, abusive both ways. Thankfully they are divorcing, as they both deserve to be happy. I guess I wasn't an OW then what's the label for the women who are outside of the open marriage? Is there one?

[woinlove]

People keep saying that to me, but I'm not sure what to call it? Because his stbxw did not agree to it, she just simply refused to talk about it all. She had the information, but did nothing with it... but deep down, was not in agreement with it. So, what would you call it? An open marriage? Bc the stbxw did state that she was not keen on an "open marriage", but knew he was seeing me and didn't do or say anything to stop it. She recently told him that she only filed for divorce bc the other OW started causing problems, and that had it went along like it had with he and I, she would have stayed married to him forever, despite him having a relationship with me (or at least until their child was out of the home).

 

Label that you would use? So I can avoid this issue in the future?

 

If you talked to her and know this, for them I would call it a dysfunctional M, and for you I would just call it an out in the open relationship like any other relationship. I had an A with a MM who separated, filed for divorce, and at that point, it became a completely out in the open R. The stbxW knew we were a couple as did our families and friends, I talked to the stbxW, the 3 of us were sometimes together, but with stbDM and me as the couple, and his stbxW already acting like an ex, even though they still partly shared a home. There was no deception of dishonesty at that point and it was obvious. It had moved from an A to a out in the open relationship.

 

Depending on when you talked to the W and when you were certain there was no dishonesty, you might have started out as an OW in a deceptive A (as I had) and then it transitioned into a regular out in the open relationship. It's simply called a relationship. No further d-day that can happen.

 

In my case the MM lied and said the W knew from the beginning, but when I talked to her, I learned this was a lie, but she did know when they filed for divorce. Until you talked to the W yourself, you don't know for sure what the situation is and MM's idea of the situation may be quite different from his W's.

 

As to labels, just say you are in a completely out in the open R, you've talked to his W and she knows even if she doesn't like it. For whatever reason, both chose to stay married to each other while you two were an out in the open couple and all 3 of you in the know.

Edited September 21, 2012 by woinlove

[nofool4u]

Not all people who engage in As are liars. That's a false statement. You are working under the assumption that all BSs are "in the darK", and that's simply not true.

 

Unless a WS says, "I'm going to go out and cheat on you", yes, they are in the dark, at least for a bit.

 

If a WS has snuck out to engage in an affair even just once behind the BSs back, then they, IMO, lied. Unless WS told them exactly where they were going, who they were with, and what they'd be doing.

 

 

Some people who are in As are honest with their spouses about that fact.

 

Sure, but when? After they have been caught? After they have been sneaking around for a bit and just want to come clean? Sure they can tell the truth at some point, but in the early stages, they are liars.

 

 

I know that you weren't talking about anyone specific, I just remember that one of the moderators stated recently that it was against the guidelines to call a group of people on the boards names.

 

Which is why I take back the expletive. But the labels "cheaters" and "liars" aren't expletives, but rather proper descriptions.

 

 

And, it seemed like you were grouping all WSs into a bundle and saying that they all lie.

 

I am, because they all do at least at the very beginning. And thats not name calling. Its describing

 

 

Some even tell the spouses before hand about what they are going to do.

 

You are talking about the exceptions to the rule. I think its very rare they are honest beforehand. I can't see many people telling their spouse, "oh, just so you know, I'm going to go out and bone someone else...just so ya know"

 

 

Just pointing out a really broad generalization, and attempting to help you not get points or banned, as until recently, I was unaware of that particular guideline of not calling a group of posters names.

 

Thanks for the reminder. But a broad generalization, and me being of the opinion that cheaters are liars by default should not be met with any infraction. I take back the other expletive, but not the proper description of what I feel to be the truth.

[AnotherRound]

Unless a WS says, "I'm going to go out and cheat on you", yes, they are in the dark, at least for a bit.

 

If a WS has snuck out to engage in an affair even just once behind the BSs back, then they, IMO, lied. Unless WS told them exactly where they were going, who they were with, and what they'd be doing.

 

 

 

 

Sure, but when? After they have been caught? After they have been sneaking around for a bit and just want to come clean? Sure they can tell the truth at some point, but in the early stages, they are liars.

 

 

 

 

Which is why I take back the expletive. But the labels "cheaters" and "liars" aren't expletives, but rather proper descriptions.

 

 

 

 

I am, because they all do at least at the very beginning. And thats not name calling. Its describing

 

 

 

 

You are talking about the exceptions to the rule. I think its very rare they are honest beforehand. I can't see many people telling their spouse, "oh, just so you know, I'm going to go out and bone someone else...just so ya know"

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the reminder. But a broad generalization, and me being of the opinion that cheaters are liars by default should not be met with any infraction. I take back the other expletive, but not the proper description of what I feel to be the truth.

 

He did exactly that with his stbxw. He tried for years to talk to her about the lack of intimacy and connection. She suffers from an extreme case of PollyAnna syndrome and refuses to discuss anything at all that isn't pleasant. After several years of trying to get her to confront the issues with him, he talked to her about staying for their child, and she did offer that she stayed "probably about 80%" for their child. He then told her that bc she refused to discuss it, or even try to fix it, and they both wanted to raise their child in a 2 parent home, that he was going to have a relationship outside of the marriage. She said, "you do what you want", but wouldn't discuss it further. He then, began to have an A with me. When she asked him if he was seeing someone, he said yes. She didn't discuss it further (other than here and there to make comments in front of their child, when he refused to discuss it bc their child was present), but did semi stalk me for a while.

 

So, maybe it is rare, but in my case, it did happen. She knew that he was unhappy (she was unhappy too) but refused to acknowledge or discuss the issues. I think in her mind, she thought since they were married, that she didn't have to put any work in and they could just roll on like always. No, I haven't spoken directly to her, but she and I have mutual friends, and her name comes up among them sometimes. I have heard the same things from our shared friends, in that they were all horrified when he "outright told her" that he was going to have an A. So, she knew. And when she knew who I was, like I said, she followed me around a little and called me a couple of times. I offered to tell her anything she wanted to know honestly, and she hung the phone up quickly. It's not my fault that she didn't want the details, but I wasn't going to force them on her - as she obviously could guess them pretty closely since she knew that he and I were in a relationship together.

 

I agree with the abusive comment (whoever made it). I think they were both abusive to each other - out of unhappiness, frustration, and fear. I think that it's abusive to be in a relationship with someone and refuse to communicate on any level with them, or acknowledge their concerns, or work on the relationship at all. I don't let her off the hook for that, as it KILLS a relationship, and fast. And, she was not a victim - she KNEW he was unhappy, she KNEW he needed her to discuss things with him, and she refused. She withheld affection and connection from the person she had married - so, she broke her vows too. At least he told her that he was not going to honor their marriage certificate - she had a chance to stop that from happening and decided that she didn't want to face it.

 

So - it does happen. Not saying it's common, but I have at least one example of it happening. And I have heard other WSs here say the same - that they told their spouse they were going to go outside of the marriage if the spouse refused to even try to work on the issues.

[nofool4u]

In the case of someone being told their spouse is going to go out and cheat, and they don't care, they don't even enter the equation.

 

If a BS knows their spouse is going to go out and screw someone else, and doesn't care, then they really aren't a BS, they sanctioned it.

 

Sounds like the stbXw in the situation you described didn't give a crap if he boned another woman or not. Therefore she wasn't betrayed, IMO.

 

So my point still stands, IMO. But I'll qualify it. A WS that cheats and BETRAYS their spouse IS a liar by default.

 

And I have heard other WSs here say the same - that they told their spouse they were going to go outside of the marriage if the spouse refused to even try to work on the issues.

 

Thats the response of a child. If I had a wife that didn't want to work on the issues, then I'd let her know its time to dissolve the marriage. And if a wife of mine told me if I didn't do as she wanted to, otherwise she'd go out and cheat, then again, I'll dissolve the marriage. I'm not going to be threatened or blackmailed into behaving exactly the way someone else thinks I should behave while they are just as guilty of the problems in the marriage.

Edited September 21, 2012 by nofool4u

[woinlove]

AR, this thread was asking about lies after d-day. If there were no lies or deception in your case, then there never would be a d-day, and there is no BS, and you didn't have an affair, just an out in the open relationship with a man who was married, similar to what many do in open M or what some separated men or women who have filed for divorce might do, when it has been made clear to all concerned that they will act as a single person, date who they want, become a couple, etc.

 

From what you write, I'm sceptical because it doesn't sound like you talked openly and frankly with the W and we so often hear of WS who misrepresent their M to the AP, even claiming to be in an open M when they are definitely not. As always, if one talks at length to the other spouse, one can usually confirm or deny whatever the WS says about their spouse. That worked in my case. If you don't want to do that, you may not care whether you have the truth or not.

 

It matters not a whit what I think, if you are certain there was no deception or dishonesty and you had an out in the open relationship, you can then be certain you are not an OW (as the term is used). Not clear what that has to do with this thread on d-day and lies told, which apply to affairs which are hidden in full or part from the BS, who then discovers some of the truth on d-day - but perhaps the topic has drifted.

[AnotherRound]

AR, this thread was asking about lies after d-day. If there were no lies or deception in your case, then there never would be a d-day, and there is no BS, and you didn't have an affair, just an out in the open relationship with a man who was married, similar to what many do in open M or what some separated men or women who have filed for divorce might do, when it has been made clear to all concerned that they will act as a single person, date who they want, become a couple, etc.

 

From what you write, I'm sceptical because it doesn't sound like you talked openly and frankly with the W and we so often hear of WS who misrepresent their M to the AP, even claiming to be in an open M when they are definitely not. As always, if one talks at length to the other spouse, one can usually confirm or deny whatever the WS says about their spouse. That worked in my case. If you don't want to do that, you may not care whether you have the truth or not.

 

It matters not a whit what I think, if you are certain there was no deception or dishonesty and you had an out in the open relationship, you can then be certain you are not an OW (as the term is used). Not clear what that has to do with this thread on d-day and lies told, which apply to affairs which are hidden in full or part from the BS, who then discovers some of the truth on d-day - but perhaps the topic has drifted.

 

Agreed. I think the problem is that I was considering what exMM and I had as an A - just without deception to the the BS. So, it was my own fault for not realizing that what we had wasn't an A. That is how I always identified it, as we did keep it somewhat discreet out of respect for the BS, so as not to throw it in her face, or have the whole town talking about it. Also, they have a child, and we didn't want their child to hear it at school, or wherever. So, there was some secrecy to it I guess, but not from the stbxw.

 

Sorry to take it OT, just my misunderstanding of what an A is and thinking that is what I was involved in when it sounds like it wasn't that at all.

[AnotherRound]

In the case of someone being told their spouse is going to go out and cheat, and they don't care, they don't even enter the equation.

 

Okay... I'm in agreement.

 

If a BS knows their spouse is going to go out and screw someone else, and doesn't care, then they really aren't a BS, they sanctioned it.

 

I agree with this too, despite some here saying that the stbxw didn't explicitly give "permission" so it was still an A.

 

Sounds like the stbXw in the situation you described didn't give a crap if he boned another woman or not. Therefore she wasn't betrayed, IMO.

 

Agreed.

 

So my point still stands, IMO. But I'll qualify it. A WS that cheats and BETRAYS their spouse IS a liar by default.

 

Agreed. This was my own misunderstanding, not yours. I'm sorry. We were working under different understandings of what an A is. I am now seeing that what I was involved in was not a true A in that it wasn't deceptive, just didn't have the stbxw's sanctions.

 

 

 

Thats the response of a child. If I had a wife that didn't want to work on the issues, then I'd let her know its time to dissolve the marriage. And if a wife of mine told me if I didn't do as she wanted to, otherwise she'd go out and cheat, then again, I'll dissolve the marriage. I'm not going to be threatened or blackmailed into behaving exactly the way someone else thinks I should behave while they are just as guilty of the problems in the marriage.

 

Neither wanted to dissolve the marriage bc of their child. They both truly believed that the child needed a 2 parent household to grow up "normal". He wasn't telling her that if she didn't do what he wanted her to do he would go out and cheat. He tried to get her to work on the marriage, and she refused to communicate. He didn't deny that he had added to the issues with his own behaviors, even prior to the As, he just wanted to discuss it and work on it. He simply came to the conclusion that she would never discuss anything (after 20+ years of watching her avoid discussions like the plague), and said that if they agreed to stay and raise their child together, that he could not live without the emotional connection, and that he would be finding that elsewhere. She, again, refused to discuss it any further, other than saying, "you do what you want".

 

I am not contacting her, as I do believe what he has said is true. And she still has my number, so she is free to contact me at any time, although now I probably wouldn't have much to say to her. But since she doesn't seem to think that communication with her husband is an important or worthwhile thing, I'm pretty sure that she won't feel the need to communicate with me either. I have heard it from him and from many others in our area that know them, so I have no doubt that this is how she is. Again, not saying it's wrong, just saying it didn't work for him or for them. And I KNOW that she knew about me from the beginning, as the stalking began quite quickly after he and I started seeing one another. So, if he is being dishonest, and didn't tell her immediately (which I don't believe), then she knew pretty shortly after he started seeing me, and has been complacent since.

 

Sorry to take it OT if I did - I was not clear that what I was involved in was not an A since the stbxw was aware and "just went along with it" in her own odd way.

[nofool4u]

Looks like we agree, my first statement just wasn't qualified enough.

[canuckprincess]

You are all heart, take it you are a BS too! it might explain why you are a BS.

 

I also cannot understand why miserable divorced people would be on OW board.

 

Oh no I'm not a bs, I'm the ow. Ive been the ow for many years. I'm not what I would call happy at the moment because EMA are hard on everyone.

[woinlove]

You are all heart, take it you are a BS too! it might explain why you are a BS.

 

I also cannot understand why miserable divorced people would be on OW board.

 

So that was really off-base! Finding a bit of humour in a description of a WH crying and begging makes you jump to conclusion that the person must be a BS and probably deserves to be cheated on and you can't understand why they post here??? Where is that line of thought coming from?