Woggle Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 It's not just men who talk like this. I am not about to get on some women are awful but don't act like women are somehow morally superior in this regard. People in general just don't like being the target of what they dish out. Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I like attractive skinny women with natural C-cup breasts. OMG SOMEONE REPORT ME, I'M BEING SO OFFENSIVE AND INSENSITIVE TO WIMMENZ!!11!!!1!111! Is it too much to ask for some understanding? Some empathy? For the men on this forum to even TRY to understand where women are coming from? You are all constantly complaining about how women judge men based on height. Imagine how you would feel if you were being judged like that about EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY. Would it be just too much to ask for some sympathy for women's experiences? Link to post Share on other sites
AD1980 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 The solution is to develop a male version of female doublespeak. Example, when women mean they want "a guy with money" they don't crassly say that. Nope. They use their favorite code word: "ambition". Second example: confidence = physical attractiveness. Go ask an ugly guy below 5'6" how much it matters to women whether he approaches confidently. It doesn't. Confidence is born of success. Initial success if born of attractiveness. "Great smile" might be my all-time favorite. It means financial stability, since it requires dental insurance to have a great smile. "Sense of humor" actually means "intelligence", but also with the understanding that it includes social skills, not autism. The difference between men and women is that women have an ingrained gift for doublespeak. The closest men get is saying "bewbs" when they really mean "boobs". So true women are slick with that Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Is it too much to ask for some understanding? Some empathy? For the men on this forum to even TRY to understand where women are coming from? You are all constantly complaining about how women judge men based on height. Imagine how you would feel if you were being judged like that about EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY. Would it be just too much to ask for some sympathy for women's experiences? How much sympathy and empathy do women have for men's experiences? Should this go only one way? Link to post Share on other sites
Author ThaWholigan Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Recently I was wandering around Reddit, and found an particularly disgusting subthread in which guys posted pictures they'd taken of unsuspecting women... down the shirt, up the shirt, sitting next to them on the bus, focusing on the butt, etc. All of these pictures, some of them even of minors, floating around the Internet... Can you imagine how violated you would feel? If someone took your picture, and posted it on a website for other people to jerk off to? It makes most women's skin crawl. These men have no concern for that unsuspecting woman's privacy, her right to be in public without being a stand-in for porn... Now maybe such threads exist where women do it to men. I have yet to find one, but I am willing to be corrected. I think once we see women objectifying men to the level where their privacy and their personhood is no longer respected, THEN we can say the objectification is equal. This might sound cynical and a little bad, but I think therein lies the fundamental difference, and probably why there is such an emotional reaction to women's "objectification" as opposed to men. And it's simply that a lot of men don't care as much about being objectified for their bodies. Probably not all, some men may be a little freaked. But I would bet money that most wouldn't. Hell, I wouldn't. Part of me would even be a little flattered believe it or not. I think it is different for women, and likely why it's encouraged to be less......well, objectifying. Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 It's not just men who talk like this. I am not about to get on some women are awful but don't act like women are somehow morally superior in this regard. People in general just don't like being the target of what they dish out. Again, show me numbers. Show me proof. Show me the equivalent of the "Butt and Boobs" thread. Show me the equivalent of "Women lose value after 30" comments. Show me something similar to the creepy upskirt Reddit thread. Or, we could just drop the whole "But, but, WOMEN DO IT TOO" pissing contest and try to say hey, maybe NEITHER gender should do it, and we should all try understanding each other. And maybe, since the question was originally about women's bodies, we could actually try to express some empathy and understanding for how women feel. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Again, show me numbers. Show me proof. Show me the equivalent of the "Butt and Boobs" thread. Show me the equivalent of "Women lose value after 30" comments. Show me something similar to the creepy upskirt Reddit thread. Or, we could just drop the whole "But, but, WOMEN DO IT TOO" pissing contest and try to say hey, maybe NEITHER gender should do it, and we should all try understanding each other. And maybe, since the question was originally about women's bodies, we could actually try to express some empathy and understanding for how women feel. Just listen to a group of women talking about their boyfriend's and husband's penises. Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 How much sympathy and empathy do women have for men's experiences? Should this go only one way? For the last f*cking time, Woggle, until you can provide some evidence, you're just talking out of your butt. You admitted yourself you've gotten tons of sympathy here from female posters. You admitted you couldn't find any direct examples of male bashing that is the equivalent of some of the female bashing that goes on. Stop hiding behind this flimsy "well men experience it too!" Either give me proof, or extend yourself and try to show some empathy FIRST. If nothing else, in gratitude for the sympathy shown YOU. Link to post Share on other sites
yongyong Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Why do you talk about some pervert in public? it has nothing to do with that. Please don't argue with things that just normal everywhere. Men and Women will put heavy emphasis on looks maybe up to early 20's. As they get older, Men still cares more about her looks than her career (money) Women more cares about his career (money) than his looks. This is what it is everywhere in the world. Maybe, MAYBE, men and women are equal in judging by looks. But I don't really buy that women objectify men in the same way. Recently I was wandering around Reddit, and found an particularly disgusting subthread in which guys posted pictures they'd taken of unsuspecting women... down the shirt, up the shirt, sitting next to them on the bus, focusing on the butt, etc. All of these pictures, some of them even of minors, floating around the Internet... Can you imagine how violated you would feel? If someone took your picture, and posted it on a website for other people to jerk off to? It makes most women's skin crawl. These men have no concern for that unsuspecting woman's privacy, her right to be in public without being a stand-in for porn... Now maybe such threads exist where women do it to men. I have yet to find one, but I am willing to be corrected. I think once we see women objectifying men to the level where their privacy and their personhood is no longer respected, THEN we can say the objectification is equal. Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigQuestion Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Is it too much to ask for some understanding? Some empathy? For the men on this forum to even TRY to understand where women are coming from? You are all constantly complaining about how women judge men based on height. Imagine how you would feel if you were being judged like that about EVERY PART OF YOUR BODY. Would it be just too much to ask for some sympathy for women's experiences? I've overheard enough conversations between women about men's bodies to know that they're not any more forgiving than even the harshest trolls on reddit. I do not sympathize when women pull the "feel bad for me, I don't live up to society's expectations of physical beauty" for that reason, among others. Newsflash: The internet is where all the height-sensitive men go to troll. Most men in real life aren't fixated on their height anywhere near to the extent that it is mentioned here. Link to post Share on other sites
Author ThaWholigan Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Also, I don't use Reddit so I haven't seen it, but if they are really putting pictures of little girls up, that's foul. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 For the last f*cking time, Woggle, until you can provide some evidence, you're just talking out of your butt. You admitted yourself you've gotten tons of sympathy here from female posters. You admitted you couldn't find any direct examples of male bashing that is the equivalent of some of the female bashing that goes on. Stop hiding behind this flimsy "well men experience it too!" Either give me proof, or extend yourself and try to show some empathy FIRST. If nothing else, in gratitude for the sympathy shown YOU. For some reason women here have been sympathetic towards me but I see other men get torn apart. How much sympathy do you see men getting about their height or about other issues we face? Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 This might sound cynical and a little bad, but I think therein lies the fundamental difference, and probably why there is such an emotional reaction to women's "objectification" as opposed to men. And it's simply that a lot of men don't care as much about being objectified for their bodies. Probably not all, some men may be a little freaked. But I would bet money that most wouldn't. Hell, I wouldn't. Part of me would even be a little flattered believe it or not. I think it is different for women, and likely why it's encouraged to be less......well, objectifying. Well it probably goes back to an issue of safety. I think a lot of men really don't GET how terrifying it is to live as a woman. If a man attacks you, there is a chance you could fight him off. But the majority of women could not. Being physically weaker, is a very scary situation to be in... I don't know if I can really think of an equivalent situation for men to GET this violation feeling. In what situation would you, as a man, feel violated? Link to post Share on other sites
mesmerized Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 This might sound cynical and a little bad, but I think therein lies the fundamental difference, and probably why there is such an emotional reaction to women's "objectification" as opposed to men. And it's simply that a lot of men don't care as much about being objectified for their bodies. Probably not all, some men may be a little freaked. But I would bet money that most wouldn't. Hell, I wouldn't. Part of me would even be a little flattered believe it or not. I think it is different for women, and likely why it's encouraged to be less......well, objectifying. Are you kidding me?? If I post a thread about women liking big dicks, well have a few suicides and some will sue loveshack. The rest would just insult me for a couple hours and then masturbate their night their night away to calm down. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 For some reason women here have been sympathetic towards me but I see other men get torn apart. How much sympathy do you see men getting about their height or about other issues we face? Except I said before.... if you get sympathy, and they don't, then maybe it has nothing to do with "man-bashing" and everything to do with them as a person being annoying. Would you say that any poster who has no sympathy for me is a woman-basher? Maybe SOME are, but maybe some just find me annoying! Same principle... just because a man on here gets torn apart does not mean it's because he's a man. Maybe it's because he's kind of an idiot and sort of deserves it! Women idiots get the exact same treatment. Male idiots should be given sympathy JUST because they are men. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I don't even mind women talking about men's bodies but stop being so hypocritical about it. Stop asking for empathy when you aren't willing to give any of it yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigQuestion Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Or, we could just drop the whole "But, but, WOMEN DO IT TOO" pissing contest and try to say hey, maybe NEITHER gender should do it, and we should all try understanding each other. And maybe, since the question was originally about women's bodies, we could actually try to express some empathy and understanding for how women feel. Why shouldn't people discuss their preference for certain aesthetic qualities of members of the opposite sex? Because it hurts the heightened sensibilities of a minority of women who are unusually insecure? Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I've overheard enough conversations between women about men's bodies to know that they're not any more forgiving than even the harshest trolls on reddit. I do not sympathize when women pull the "feel bad for me, I don't live up to society's expectations of physical beauty" for that reason, among others. Newsflash: The internet is where all the height-sensitive men go to troll. Most men in real life aren't fixated on their height anywhere near to the extent that it is mentioned here. Show me an example on this forum, within the last few days, of something that is equivalent to the "Butt and Boobs" thread. Or a female poster who constantly linked photos of hot guys, ala TrainofAngels. Show me PROOF, not just "I have a friend of a friend..." That kind of bs could go on for days. I trade my antedotes for yours. Give me proof that women are as bad as men. This forum is a great place. And again, why does it MATTER if women are as bad as men? What are we, lemmings? Because some other people are rude, that means you get to be rude? How about we don't objectify ANYbody? How about we work to get away from placing so much value on physical appearance? Why would that be a bad thing? 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Author ThaWholigan Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Well it probably goes back to an issue of safety. I think a lot of men really don't GET how terrifying it is to live as a woman. If a man attacks you, there is a chance you could fight him off. But the majority of women could not. Being physically weaker, is a very scary situation to be in... I don't know if I can really think of an equivalent situation for men to GET this violation feeling. In what situation would you, as a man, feel violated? Probably being 'objectified' by other men . In jail. Are you kidding me?? If I post a thread about women liking big dicks, well have a few suicides and some will sue loveshack. The rest would just insult me for a couple hours and then masturbate their night their night away to calm down. Oh, yeah on Loveshack sure, they'd be pissed. I doubt anyone else would be bothered though. That girl I lost my virginity to could be talking to somebody about my penis right now, could even be talking about my moobs jiggling while I was boning her. I don't care . I think that the internet is a haven for emotionally sensitive men, so naturally they will get upset by it. Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I don't even mind women talking about men's bodies but stop being so hypocritical about it. Stop asking for empathy when you aren't willing to give any of it yourself. ... Except I've given TONS of sympathy. Every thread I see bemoaning how women lust after tall men, I jump in to say I LOVE short men. I LOVE nerds. I love introverts and dorky-looking fellows. I was duly ignored. I showed tons of sympathy towards Somedude.... until he said that women like me, fat women, don't count as human beings. What am I to make of that? 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Show me an example on this forum, within the last few days, of something that is equivalent to the "Butt and Boobs" thread. Or a female poster who constantly linked photos of hot guys, ala TrainofAngels. Show me PROOF, not just "I have a friend of a friend..." That kind of bs could go on for days. I trade my antedotes for yours. Give me proof that women are as bad as men. This forum is a great place. And again, why does it MATTER if women are as bad as men? What are we, lemmings? Because some other people are rude, that means you get to be rude? How about we don't objectify ANYbody? How about we work to get away from placing so much value on physical appearance? Why would that be a bad thing? Because it sucks trying to come with an olive branch while everybody else is bringing their weapons. Link to post Share on other sites
insertnamehere Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Also, I don't use Reddit so I haven't seen it, but if they are really putting pictures of little girls up, that's foul. Must be a 4chan user. Maybe even a /b/tard? (Seriously, do not google it. 4chan falls under the heading of "things you cannot unsee".) Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigQuestion Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 = Oh, yeah on Loveshack sure, they'd be pissed. I doubt anyone else would be bothered though. That girl I lost my virginity to could be talking to somebody about my penis right now, could even be talking about my moobs jiggling while I was boning her. I don't care . I think that the internet is a haven for emotionally sensitive men, so naturally they will get upset by it. Exactly. Reminds of the time a few years ago where a friend of mine had broken up with his girl: Me: She's probably going to be talking sh** about your dick and downplaying your sexual abilities. Him: So what? I got it in. Joke's on her. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 ... Except I've given TONS of sympathy. Every thread I see bemoaning how women lust after tall men, I jump in to say I LOVE short men. I LOVE nerds. I love introverts and dorky-looking fellows. I was duly ignored. I showed tons of sympathy towards Somedude.... until he said that women like me, fat women, don't count as human beings. What am I to make of that? You do but how many before you tear men like this apart? Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Probably being 'objectified' by other men . In jail. Come on, I'm being serious now. Empathy and understanding can grow out of walking a mile in someone's shoes. Really think about it... what could someone do to violate your boundaries? How bout this... you discover that someone installed a program on your computer that allowed them to turn on your webcam without you realizing. They then took video of you naked (wandering around in front of your computer) and uploaded it to a porn site. They then added your address next to it. How would you feel? Safe? If you still feel safe, why? Is it a feeling that you'd be able to take someone out if they tried anything? Link to post Share on other sites
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