Author ThaWholigan Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 Well I'd say touch is a good idea. I'd say that touch is a safer bet of expressing your sexuality than verbal is. And no, some of my bfs did not have previous experience. Nerds, remember? Don't I know it. As an autistic man with SPD, touch didn't sit well with me . It was not safe at all! It is now . "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" So if you want women to objectify you.....objectify them! Mesmerized's "medicine" sounded tasty to you, and that's why it wouldn't work. Men would love to be sexually lusted after as women are, as long as they kept their position and status in society. Position and status? I wasn't thinking about that at all. You assume that I desire dominion over others . Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 That's what you are doing isn't it? This topic is a sensitive spot for you, so you decided to say something about it. Yeeesssss..... but I'm not telling people how to feel. I am simply saying it is a polite and reasonable thing to keep it to themselves. ThaWhalogian wanted to know why women were upset about him discussing their bodies. I explained. Posters then wanted to know why they should stop. I explained. At no point did I say they HAVE to stop. I have no idea what point you are trying to make. That because I think other people should be respectful, I am somehow controlling them?... Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 That doesn't mean we should encourage it. People also get murdered! Should we stop prosecuting murderers? We should strive to make our society better, more respectable, than excuse ourselves to wallow in our worst impulses. Im not saying encourage it. Read i said react to it. That doesnt mean excusing bad behavior. It mean you as a person thats the only control we have. we cant force people to change. Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Im not saying encourage it. Read i said react to it. That doesnt mean excusing bad behavior. It mean you as a person thats the only control we have. we cant force people to change. But sometimes we don't HAVE control. Like I said, what about situations where it would unsafe for a woman to respond? Read the link I posted. If a woman feels unsafe, if a woman feels intimidated or threatened, like her job is in jeopardy, etc. how is she supposed to react? Yes, we can only control ourselves, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be TRYING to change people's inappropriate behavior. Link to post Share on other sites
Lonely Ronin Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I have no idea what point you are trying to make. That because I think other people should be respectful, I am somehow controlling them?... Are controlling them no, trying to yes. Trying to persuade someone to align with your way of thinking is a subtle way of trying to control someone. Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Are controlling them no, trying to yes. Trying to persuade someone to align with your way of thinking is a subtle way of trying to control someone. Then we are all trying to control each other constantly, which makes your point moot. Seriously, what the heck are you arguing?? Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Of course no man should feel free to comment on a woman's body that he doesn't know but yeah if we see an attractive woman we are thinking to ourselves that damn she is hot. This doesn't mean we don't respect her or that we think that is the only thing she is good for. Why is that so hard for some women to understand? Women are just as bad. You should see the women in my place acting like schoolgirls whenever one of our vendors comes in. Why do we act like only men do this. Women acting as bad as they think men are just to get back at us won't work because some women have no idea what is in our head and why we think the way we do. Also it is true that men who objectify women tend to do better with women. Not objectifying a woman on a date is an easy way to get put into the friendzone. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Lonely Ronin Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Then we are all trying to control each other constantly, which makes your point moot. Seriously, what the heck are you arguing?? That you don't understand what you are arguing. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be TRYING to change people's inappropriate behavior. This is trying to control someone! Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 But sometimes we don't HAVE control. Like I said, what about situations where it would unsafe for a woman to respond? Read the link I posted. If a woman feels unsafe, if a woman feels intimidated or threatened, like her job is in jeopardy, etc. how is she supposed to react? Yes, we can only control ourselves, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be TRYING to change people's inappropriate behavior. Your reaction teaches people how to treat you. Link to post Share on other sites
Author ThaWholigan Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 That you don't understand what you are arguing. This is trying to control someone! I see what you're doing there It's fun being devil's advocate, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Of course no man should feel free to comment on a woman's body that he doesn't know but yeah if we see an attractive woman we are thinking to ourselves that damn she is hot. This doesn't mean we don't respect her or that we think that is the only thing she is good for. Why is that so hard for some women to understand? Women are just as bad. You should see the women in my place acting like schoolgirls whenever one of our vendors comes in. Why do we act like only men do this. Women acting as bad as they think men are just to get back at us won't work because some women have no idea what is in our head and why we think the way we do. Also it is true that men who objectify women tend to do better with women. Not objectifying a woman on a date is an easy way to get put into the friendzone. Women in female dominated jobs tend to be worse with comments than men ever would be. Which in a way is a good thing because it got me laid quite a few times. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Women in female dominated jobs tend to be worse with comments than men ever would be. Which in a way is a good thing because it got me laid quite a few times. When this guy comes in they say stuff that would blatantly be sexual harassment if it came from a man. Link to post Share on other sites
Author ThaWholigan Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 So are we doing "Women talking about men" now? :laugh: Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 So are we doing "Women talking about men" now? :laugh: Yes we are. If you throw around accusations be prepared to have your faults examined as well. I just get sick of people thinking this is one sided. If both genders are pretty much the same in this regard then why do only men get the blame? Link to post Share on other sites
Negative Nancy Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 What it boils down to is that women don't want to be seen as just t'n'a, just like men don't want to be seen as a walking ATM or a height object. I mean how many threads do you see on here where men are whining about having to pay for dates, I might as well turn thawholigan's question around and tell those men that objectifying men for money and height isn't that bad either and they should just get over it. Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 When this guy comes in they say stuff that would blatantly be sexual harassment if it came from a man. I will agree that women can say stuff now that men cant but men are sensitive as women. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I will agree that women can say stuff now that men cant but men are sensitive as women. Yeah but when we complain we are told to stop whining and man up. Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 What it boils down to is that women don't want to be seen as just t'n'a, just like men don't want to be seen as a walking ATM or a height object. I mean how many threads do you see on here where men are whining about having to pay for dates, I might as well turn thawholigan's question around and tell those men that objectifying men for money and height isn't that bad either and they should just get over it. Both genders should just get over. Link to post Share on other sites
mesmerized Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" So if you want women to objectify you.....objectify them! Mesmerized's "medicine" sounded tasty to you, and that's why it wouldn't work. Men would love to be sexually lusted after as women are, as long as they kept their position and status in society. What do you think is the origin of all these height threads? Men are upset they are judged by their bodies and yet tell us to get over it. Let's be fair here gentlemen. Ps. Obviously op doesnt mind to be objectified. He's 6'3" with a hard ass and.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author ThaWholigan Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 What it boils down to is that women don't want to be seen as just t'n'a, just like men don't want to be seen as a walking ATM or a height object. I mean how many threads do you see on here where men are whining about having to pay for dates, I might as well turn thawholigan's question around and tell those men that objectifying men for money and height isn't that bad either and they should just get over it. It isn't that bad IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 Yeah but when we complain we are told to stop whining and man up. Im a nurse at a long term care facility. i got a crapload of stories of women and the comments and things they done. the funny thing is most were married or had boyfriends. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 So are we doing "Women talking about men" now? :laugh: OMG did you SEE that guy's ass? Oh, sorry, TW. I hope that didn't hurt your feelings. But still … Boy, howdy. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
joystickd Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 OMG did you SEE that guy's ass? Oh, sorry, TW. I hope that didn't hurt your feelings. But still … Boy, howdy. A shirt with LCD screen showing achievemements 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author ThaWholigan Posted September 21, 2012 Author Share Posted September 21, 2012 OMG did you SEE that guy's ass? Oh, sorry, TW. I hope that didn't hurt your feelings. But still … Boy, howdy. Women are always talking about my ass - see previous page 2 Link to post Share on other sites
verhrzn Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 But there's a key difference in all of your examples of women objectifying men: the men want it. Or, maybe more accurately, because of the limited scope of what society allows to be "male sexuality" (men must be horny and want sex at all times), maybe men aren't allowed to express their discomfort with it. Hmm, if only we lived in a society where people treated each other with respect... And I say again, just because women do it, why does that make it okay for men?? Am I arguing that women should do it, and men shouldn't? NO. I am saying NO one should make inappropriate comments about another person's body, full stop. So please, let's stop beating that straw man. I really, really don't get why it isn't just enough to keep it to yourself. Why is it too much to ask to just STOP making comments about women's bodies until you know those comments are welcome? Link to post Share on other sites
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