Woggle Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 They have nothing to do with that but at the same time that doesn't explain why it should be a right compared to a privilege. I don't want to argue I am just saying. It's not a big deal to me, I know how I feel and I know how I'm voting It should be a right because they citizens of this country and should not be treated as 2nd class. Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 It should be a right because they citizens of this country and should not be treated as 2nd class. I think that civil unions are ok though Link to post Share on other sites
Author Titanwolf Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 Has anyone ever entertained the notion that homosexuality is a product of nature?. Over the recent years it seems as though there's been an increase in homosexual people. Perhaps that's nature's way of tackling over population?. Remove the element of religion for a moment and think about it. With the increasing number of people populating the planet, it would certainly be a viable option to tackle the threat of overpopulation. I don't believe that homosexuality is a choice, whilst heterosexuality is an innate characteristic (or at least, is meant to be) of all living creatures. Animals, whom are most honest and compliant to their nature and nature itself, can also be gay. What would that function be? if animals are incapable of sin because they lack the higher level of thinking humans display, what would cause an animal to "decide" upon homosexuality?. I believe it's essentially a result of nature and that it all serves a higher purpose. Maintained balance. Link to post Share on other sites
Ross MwcFan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I personally don't believe in "born gay" I think it is a choice, and I don't believe in homosexual marriage (I know that isn't the question) these are my only thoughts about gayness. Otherwise I couldn't care less I just kind of want to whole gay marriage thing fight to end. So when did you choose to be a hetrosexual then? Link to post Share on other sites
loveunlimited Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I personally don't believe in "born gay" I think it is a choice, and I don't believe in homosexual marriage (I know that isn't the question) these are my only thoughts about gayness. Otherwise I couldn't care less I just kind of want to whole gay marriage thing fight to end. I've been reading this site for a while and i'm sorry i just had to register to respond to this. this is the most ridiculous thing i have ever see, i read the thread and i can't believe this kind of attitude still exists. both my sister and aunt are gay. it's no more possible to choose to be gay than it is to choose to be born male female or black. as the poster above asks, when did you decide you wanted to be non-gay. remember that just as you believe being gay is a choice, it naturally follows then that being not gay is as well. if someone can and does choose to be gay it must mean that you had a choice to chose to not be. interested to hear your reply. Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Has anyone ever entertained the notion that homosexuality is a product of nature? I've regularly invited that notion over for aperitifs and nibbles, and it's always attended punctually. It tells me that the problem is that human beings don't tend to pay heed to the wisdom and advice of Mother Nature, who was good enough to present people with alternative methods of having fun. Instead of solving the population problem, homosexuality has presented humanity with the fresh challenge of creating babies (using surrogate motherhood, artificial insemination or artificial wombs) for gay couples. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
loveunlimited Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Has anyone ever entertained the notion that homosexuality is a product of nature?. Over the recent years it seems as though there's been an increase in homosexual people. Perhaps that's nature's way of tackling over population?. no you just think that because they are more public profile. it used to be taboo to openly declare you were gay, in some parts of the world it's still considered illegal or immoral and frowned upon and gay people are discriminated against but in more enlightened places it is illegal to discriminate. since society became more open and accepting of homosexuality, gay people have found it more comfortable to be open about their sexuality. there are no more gay people now than there were 30 years ago, it's just a more publically acceptable persuasion. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Titanwolf Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 Instead of solving the population problem, homosexuality has presented humanity with the fresh challenge of creating babies (using surrogate motherhood, artificial insemination or artificial wombs) for gay couples. This crossed my mind as I was typing and I agree with you. If I were gay, I would want to adopt because there are so many kids out there, who would love to have consistent parents. That would definitely be a real solution from the perspective of mother nature, but instead we've turned to surrogacy, producing more kids on top of the unclaimed ones waiting to be adopted. Though I honestly don't see anything wrong with that, it's not exactly helping the population crisis is it?. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Titanwolf Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 no you just think that because they are more public profile. it used to be taboo to openly declare you were gay, in some parts of the world it's still considered illegal or immoral and frowned upon and gay people are discriminated against but in more enlightened places it is illegal to discriminate. since society became more open and accepting of homosexuality, gay people have found it more comfortable to be open about their sexuality. there are no more gay people now than there were 30 years ago, it's just a more publically acceptable persuasion. And that's why I said it seems as though there are more. I was well aware of the possibility that the numbers haven't changed, only the publicity they receive and I've often included that in my arguments. Where I state that due to societal norms changing, those who were "underground" previously, are now rearing their head above the surface. Link to post Share on other sites
loveunlimited Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I've regularly invited that notion over for aperitifs and nibbles, and it's always attended punctually. It tells me that the problem is that human beings don't tend to pay heed to the wisdom and advice of Mother Nature, who was good enough to present people with alternative methods of having fun. Instead of solving the population problem, homosexuality has presented humanity with the fresh challenge of creating babies (using surrogate motherhood, artificial insemination or artificial wombs) for gay couples. LOL that's funny.. Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Where do I start? Firstly, anything can be argued, no matter how ludicrous or offensive. Secondly, all ideas are not equal. That's why we have methodologies to work out what is sound and what isn't. Not every idea is useful, or accurate. If you want to maintain your opinion that being gay is a choice, then run through the following checklist: Ask some gay people if could just choose to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex.Ask yourself the same question in reverse. Could you just decide to be gay?Find out what determines sexuality from a biological standpoint.Do a bit of reading on the nature of free will, and what it means and what it doesn't. Then ask yourself the same question, and see what the answer is. I don't know why you seem to think that we live in some sort of relativistic vacuum where nobody is allowed to point out that somebody else is wrong. To me I truly don't care much why they are gay, it's wrong and it shouldn't result in marriage or children. It's just... Wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
Mme. Chaucer Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 To me I truly don't care much why they are gay, it's wrong and it shouldn't result in marriage or children. It's just... Wrong. Since you are so avid on the bible, I hope you give the same consideration to what it says about "coveting," "lust" and "fornication." These sins seem to be much more pertinent in your personal life than homosexuality. For the record: believe what you wish to believe, but people ARE "born gay" and "God" does not hate them. Even if people CHOSE to be gay … whose business is it but theirs? 7 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Since you are so avid on the bible, I hope you give the same consideration to what it says about "coveting," "lust" and "fornication." These sins seem to be much more pertinent in your personal life than homosexuality. For the record: believe what you wish to believe, but people ARE "born gay" and "God" does not hate them. Even if people CHOSE to be gay … whose business is it but theirs? I never said God hates gay people, I also never said gay people go to hell, I don't think you are born gay it is a learned behavior. Either way I don't care how a person becomes gay the point is they are and it is wrong in my opinion. As far as my personal sins maybe you don't realize this but God forgives sins.. He will forgive the gay people for being gay if they repent and He will forgive me for being jealous and having sex before marriage if I repent. Which I do and then I pray to be less jealous.. So HA! Thanks and goodbye... Link to post Share on other sites
mercy Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Reminds me of a verse - Matthew 7:5 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 See this is the type of hypocrisy I cant stand. Your pretty much saying because it says god forgives thats a ticket for you to do whatever you want and it will be ok. You sin because you want to and enjoy it and pretty much you could care less what the bible says or you wouldnt continue to do it. That's not true, you have no idea when I asked for forgiveness and what I did after. For all you know u could have asked last night and I haven't done anything as of yet. Not only do I ask for forgiveness but I also ask for help with the lust or jealousy or fornication. If you make an honest effort to not do it then what more can you do. I haven't committed any huge sins lately so.... And if I didn't care what the bible says why would I ask for forgiveness? If I didn't care I would just be like f it and do whatever I want without a second thought which I don't do. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Titanwolf Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 He will forgive the gay people for being gay if they repent I really dislike ganging up on people but this here ^^. You're essentially saying that homosexuals should repent for being born?. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I really dislike ganging up on people but this here ^^. You're essentially saying that homosexuals should repent for being born?. That depends on what you believe. In the end even if you are born gay you make the choice to commit gay acts which are sins. Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 You ask for forgiveness because that is what you have been taught to believe. Yet you knowingly do that very same thing over and over. You say in the back of your mind god will forgive me so its all good. Thats an excuse, not repenting. You know you will do it again, and you feel guilty about it. So you repent because it takes your guilt away, but you have already thought that out and feel because you do all is forgiven. By your reasoning murderers could just kill over and over as long as they repent right? You believe your sin is a small one. I dont remember the bible saying any difference between the severity of sins. I think I said in another post that no sin is any bigger than any other.. Maybe you should go back and read. Also you don't know me personally so you have no idea what I do. Like I said if I ask for forgiveness I also ask for guidance and the ability to do better. We all sin constantly so I don't think anything I do is anymore than anyone else. I don't think it's fair that I get Ganged up on because I think homosexuality is a sin. Like I said if they repent then fine just like if I repent fine. Moving on... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Titanwolf Posted September 23, 2012 Author Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) That depends on what you believe. In the end even if you are born gay you make the choice to commit gay acts which are sins. Right, so if you happen to be born gay and sexual, you should spend the one life you're given, celibate?. Things like this is why I clash so often with religion and the religious. You say things like this that are so absurd that I can't help laugh. It seems as though you lack the ability for independent thinking, because the bible says this, it must be true. Never mind the fact that a lot of it's contents could be questioned. Ulterior motives, religion is a great tool for controlling the masses. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with order, but people with your thought process is now the result of it. If the pope can just up and decide that an entire dimension no longer exists, how can you not question the authenticity of religion as a whole? (I exclude Buddhism from this, because theirs makes sense). Ultimately, I don't blame you for the way you think, I can forgive what you've said because you're only a product of your environment. I think it's more sad than anything, to be subject to such hypocrisy on a grand scale. Edited September 23, 2012 by Titanwolf 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 way to go, bigot. ahhh so you're black. so if you're going to go after gays, i'll go after backs. why can't blacks control their gang problems? why do blacks commit so many crimes? don't you know that blacks were discriminated against in the same way? should i say it's wrong to be black? You don't make the choice to be born black.. Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Yeah, I dont mean to gang up on that person. This is actually a good thread and alot of people are discussing in here. Thats a good thing. My problem with repenting has always been it just doesnt make any sense. Its an excuse and thats how people use it. If all we have to do is say we are sorry when we get to the perly gates then why do we have any rules at all. Of course I dont believe in any of it but for the sake of argument I will go along with it. People say well God knows if your true or not when you repent. Anybody came commit any crime and eventually repent and be truly sorry for it. I remember back to when I was a kid. I would do something, know it was wrong and do it anyway. When faced with my parents who found out and were ready to whoop my butt, of course I would say Im sorry and I would not do it again. Now of course I did do it again, and knew I would. So its the same thing. When faced between going to hell and going to heaven what would anybody do. They would repent for thier sins. Are they truly sorry, probably not, but it would sure sound good at the time. That's the thing God knows when it is sincere he knows your heart. So if I wasn't sincere then he would know, your sin isn't the only thing that determines if you go to hell or not. I think more decides that. Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 there's no such things as a sin and no such places as heaven and hell. their made up by self righteous people and the bigger the religion the worse it is. muslims. someone writes a book about them or meyely says something and its a call to so called jihad and an open license to murder innocents. some religion of peace. non muslims aren't even allowed in mecca and medina. if i tried to go and persisted i'd be a dead man walking. christians have maimed and murdered people forever but no they don't take responsibility. if you accept christ as your savior and whatever other nonsense. but their judging others. no premarital sex, even masturbation is wrong to some. just like muslims, hypocrisy reigns supreme. Lol if you don't believe in God then obviously you will dispute everything I say. So in the end you can believe what you want and I will believe what I want. Link to post Share on other sites
loveunlimited Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 You don't make the choice to be born black.. Well of course you do. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ImperfectionisBeauty Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Just listen to what your saying though. Obviously your not sincere if you know you will do it again. And you do know this. The thing is even if you do it again you can ask for forgiveness. You can't constantly go and repent then do it again intentionally but thins happen and God understands that. Link to post Share on other sites
Ross MwcFan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 You don't make the choice to be born black.. You could have cosmetic surgery and have your skin whitened. So being black is a choice. Not that I think there is anything wrong with being any race or colour, you see, I'm not a bigot, I'm a good person. Link to post Share on other sites
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