Imported Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I know guys who have wives that look out of their league. It's just those guys let themselves go as they aged and the wife did not. A few are still very happily married as far as I know, but most of the wives eventually divorced the husband or got divorced after being caught cheating. I know more guys that are in good shape and look like they should be able to get similarly attractive wives/girlfriends, but instead they have a whale. Link to post Share on other sites
thatone Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 They mean hot to them. What they deem hot, others would label average or below. There are only so many male models to go around and I seriously doubt every LS female is dating one. Most couples are equal in looks or the woman is better looking. Couples where the guy is better looking are incredibly rare. generally true. i've never been with a girl less attractive than myself for more than one blind date. in the words of will rogers "i wouldn't belong to a club that would have me as a member" Link to post Share on other sites
jobaba Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 They mean hot to them. What they deem hot, others would label average or below. There are only so many male models to go around and I seriously doubt every LS female is dating one. Most couples are equal in looks or the woman is better looking. Couples where the guy is better looking are incredibly rare. Uh. No they don't. They mean stereotypically hot. I'm temped to link the posts, but that wouldn't accomplish anything. You're insane if you think the above. I can chirp and chirp on about women being shallow, but at the end of the day, men are just as shallow. I just happen to be a man, so that's what I chirp about. The fact is that PEOPLE are shallow. Most people would rather date a hot person who treats them like sh@t than a less attractive person who would be awesome to them. It's just easier for women to get better looking men, while men have to work for better looking women. But I have no doubt that men would be just as shallow if the tables were turned. And it's the rare birds who don't follow this mantra. Link to post Share on other sites
jobaba Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 generally true. i've never been with a girl less attractive than myself for more than one blind date. in the words of will rogers "i wouldn't belong to a club that would have me as a member" I rest my case... Link to post Share on other sites
SushiX Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 In terms of dating, I think ugly women have it harder because 99% of a woman's value comes from her looks while men can make up for his ugliness through money. Of course you can argue that even ugly women can get laid much more than an ugly man can get laid, but that's not what most women want. What do you guys think? Link to post Share on other sites
mesmerized Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I don't even think an ugly woman has many getting laid options. Why do you think a lot of them post on craiglist? Unattractive women truly have it the worst. I do know one woman like that who Is in a happy relationship though. But she has a great and very positive personality and makes good money. Link to post Share on other sites
jobaba Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 In terms of dating, I think ugly women have it harder because 99% of a woman's value comes from her looks while men can make up for his ugliness through money. Of course you can argue that even ugly women can get laid much more than an ugly man can get laid, but that's not what most women want. What do you guys think? In terms of the people at the very bottom of the barrel, it's about equal. But there's a caveat. Most women are seen as ugly because they are obese. If they lost weight and got nice bodies, then they'd jump a VERY significant amount. Really short men or really ugly facially men can't do that much. They could work out and get super buff, but not that many women would take that alone to be attractive. On the other hand, a woman with a hot body ... for LOTS of guys, that is enough. Right around average and just above average, women have it MUCH easier, and it's no contest. But hot men (top 10-15%) have it the very best. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I think anyone who fails to deal with insecurities, lacks confidence, complains a lot, doesn't make the best of their situation or keeps a certain level of perseverance - then they will struggle and have it hard. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
oaks Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 What do you guys think? I think this thread has all the makings of a train wreck. I'll put the popcorn on. What I really think about the topic... it's impossible to measure "harder" in dating because there's no objective scale or objective measure of success. You could measure "getting dates" but for most people (of both sexes) that's merely a stepping stone on the way towards what they want, rather than complete success in itself, and what they want isn't necessarily the same. I also think we've done this one before, but I'm sure we'll get some polarised views any moment now. Popcorn is ready! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
thatone Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I don't even think an ugly woman has many getting laid options. Why do you think a lot of them post on craiglist? Unattractive women truly have it the worst. I do know one woman like that who Is in a happy relationship though. But she has a great and very positive personality and makes good money. sure, they have getting laid options. from those dudes on craigslist who have a laundry list of their own issues Link to post Share on other sites
somedude81 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 But there's a caveat. Most women are seen as ugly because they are obese. If they lost weight and got nice bodies, then they'd jump a VERY significant amount. Frankly, In my entire life I have only known (or remembered) one girl who wasn't obese, that I considered ugly. From what I've seen people are only ugly if they have genetic mutation/disease or got messed up on drugs. Ugly women under 40 seem to make up less than 1% of the population. Link to post Share on other sites
january2011 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 99% of a woman's value comes from her looks I think you need to provide a link to research that supports your theory. Otherwise, it just looks like you pulled this figure out of thin air. Link to post Share on other sites
Necromancer Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I want a relationship not just ONS. From what i have seen at my age, gals have it easier. They can die their hair, wear make up, sexy yoga pants.... If you are born ugly as ****t in the face as a male you ain't as lucky. Average gals will have options but average guys..... let´s say if he doesn't ask out women nothing will happen unless he is lucky. Link to post Share on other sites
jobaba Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I think this thread has all the makings of a train wreck. I'll put the popcorn on. What I really think about the topic... it's impossible to measure "harder" in dating because there's no objective scale or objective measure of success. You could measure "getting dates" but for most people (of both sexes) that's merely a stepping stone on the way towards what they want, rather than complete success in itself, and what they want isn't necessarily the same. I also think we've done this one before, but I'm sure we'll get some polarised views any moment now. Popcorn is ready! The proof in the pudding is LS itself... How many women here have complained about not being able to attract ANY men? I count one. And that one has had several boyfriends, and more than half of the male LS community call her attractive. Off the top of my head, I count at least 10 REGULAR male posters who can attract nobody. The goal for both of those people at the bottom is to find someone they are attracted to, but the woman has at least some options and the men have none... Link to post Share on other sites
iris219 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 The bone most men have to pick is that women don't date men in their leagues. Most big fat, ugly and dumb American women would probably not date this Eric Stonestreet either. Men in America date a few leagues down, usually, unless they have loads of money and social status. That's what happens when you live in a society where the men are all try-too-hards. Ya'll (you and jojoba) need to come to the South. Many women here ARE dating men who look like Eric Stonestreet, and these fellows ain't rich. Actually, Eric is a step up from a lot of men I see around here, most of whom have cute wives/GF. Link to post Share on other sites
ascendotum Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I agree with your basic concepts. Just some of my observations..... * Of the women I know under 40 and single, I'd say 60-65% are varying degrees attractive and have numerous options, and are single because they are fussy or putting a relationship on hold while they are raising their children (a number of these have ons + fwb though) or are still dealing with issues from childhood or past relationships. Of the 40-35% who I think are not attractive, 80% of them I could describe as plain + overweight (ie..F.A.T.) + low confidence + not all that feminine (ie bossy or frumpy or serious boring). * A lot of men will get with an unattractive woman for the sake of being in a relationship (regular sex, someone to come home to, someone to take care of the cleaning + cooking, someone to complain about as the 'ol ball & chain' to the other guys). I guess you can say the same about women as they get older. * when it comes to people with some sort of chronic type illness, I see more men struggle to find relationship than I do women. * when it comes to disabilities, I think both have the same level of difficulty. * Masculinity can help offset a guy's ability who is considered ugly. I guess it depends on how you define ugly, just their face or from top to toe. A guy with a bit of a beat up boxers face but who's a big brute can get women. Guys who are not masculine in physique/look have a hard time, if they don't compensate with personality or a edgey image. * when it came to people in their 20s, I found there was much more cases of 'Gee, that guy is having trouble to getting any girl' than 'wow that girl is having trouble to getting any guy interested', even though the F:M ratio bias is not that big. I rarely call anyone (under 40) downright ugly in describing them. I just consider them unattractive. Link to post Share on other sites
oaks Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 The proof in the pudding is LS itself... How many women here have complained about not being able to attract ANY men? I count one. I can think of other women here who can't attract men they like (even though they attract men they don't like). I don't think those women have any significant measure of "success" if the best they can do is attract someone they don't like! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I can think of other women here who can't attract men they like (even though they attract men they don't like). I don't think those women have any significant measure of "success" if the best they can do is attract someone they don't like! Well, I can already predict the rebuttals - Those men they "don't like" are still options, while the men cannot attract anyone full stop - What women like are tall, good looking, rich men with status etc etc top 15% etc.....they don't like anyone else. It's a good thing that I'm not bothered 1 Link to post Share on other sites
iris219 Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 The proof in the pudding is LS itself... How many women here have complained about not being able to attract ANY men? I count one. And that one has had several boyfriends, and more than half of the male LS community call her attractive. Off the top of my head, I count at least 10 REGULAR male posters who can attract nobody. The goal for both of those people at the bottom is to find someone they are attracted to, but the woman has at least some options and the men have none... We're talking about who has it harder--genuinely unattractive women or men. I've seen at least one of the guys you're talking about, and there's nothing wrong with the way he looks. The struggle for these guys to find dates isn't because they are ugly. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Titanwolf Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Oh come on! another one?! =_= 2 Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Oh come on! another one?! =_= Because only women and hot men have fun so lets all stop dating Pussies. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
xxoo Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Most people would rather date a hot person who treats them like sh@t than a less attractive person who would be awesome to them. People of what age? 23? Maybe. 30+? Most people have grown beyond that. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Titanwolf Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Because only women and hot men have fun so lets all stop dating Pussies. Lol I know right?. It's becoming ridiculous now. Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 People of what age? 23? Maybe. 30+? Most people have grown beyond that. Count me among the people in their 20s who wouldn't allow it . Link to post Share on other sites
ThaWholigan Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Lol I know right?. It's becoming ridiculous now. It's not just about the men on POF that are so desperate that they will troll a fake dating page just for the sex (which is pitiful enough).......it's that these guys (like the OP) has the time to make these BS experiments to prove a point. I could care less how easy it is for a fat woman to get laid - I think it's funny, but I'm not bothered. Although, I expect it's because I'm tall 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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