Is SIN so ingrained in our being that we don't even SEE it?

[TheFinalWord]

Obama/Romney debate?

 

haha yeah, I love politics. Basically I love discussing religion and politics, am I asking for trouble or what? Haven't really gotten into politics on this forum, I save my rants for religion

[M30USA]

haha yeah, I love politics. Basically I love discussing religion and politics, am I asking for trouble or what? Haven't really gotten into politics on this forum, I save my rants for religion

 

 

I have abandoned the Republican Party.

 

I now consider myself...get this...not sure if this even exists but...

 

Conservative libertarian

[TheFinalWord]

I have abandoned the Republican Party.

 

I now consider myself...get this...not sure if this even exists but...

 

Conservative libertarian

 

A little the left of Ron Paul?

[mercy]

haha yeah, I love politics. Basically I love discussing religion and politics, am I asking for trouble or what? Haven't really gotten into politics on this forum, I save my rants for religion

 

Oh, I'd love to read your views in the political forum!

 

I'm thinking you'd be sent to that divine woodshed pureinheart speaks of!

[M30USA]

A little the left of Ron Paul?

 

Well that's the strange thing about Libertarian party. By definition, it merely refers to preserving individual freedom/liberty and also decreasing the role of the federal government while bolstering authority of the states. This leaves open room for the party to be filled by BOTH conservatives and liberals. You have people in favor of legalizing marijuana in the SAME party as very religious fundamentalists. Very unique.

[TheFinalWord]

Oh, I'd love to read your views in the political forum!

 

I'm thinking you'd be sent to that divine woodshed pureinheart speaks of!

 

haha Mercy you are one of the nicest people I have ever met on an Internet forum. Just love your positive attitude and kindness

 

Yeah, divine dog house would be more like it

 

Well, I was raised by conservatives and worked for liberals in my first professional job. I don't know if it made me more balanced, or just insane! But honestly, I think I would get too tied down if I got into politics and religion on here. Isn't religion and politics like two of the greatest social taboos

[mercy]

haha Mercy you are one of the nicest people I have ever met on an Internet forum. Just love your positive attitude and kindness

 

 

I feel the same way about you!

[TheFinalWord]

Well that's the strange thing about Libertarian party. By definition, it merely refers to preserving individual freedom/liberty and also decreasing the role of the federal government while bolstering authority of the states. This leaves open room for the party to be filled by BOTH conservatives and liberals. You have people in favor of legalizing marijuana in the SAME party as very religious fundamentalists. Very unique.

 

Yeah, I agree with a lot of libertarianism philosophy.

[TaraMaiden]

A landmark study just found that, contrary to previously held belief, school-aged bullies actually have higher than average self esteem and self perception--not low self esteem. Consider that in light of the discussion here.

 

Let's see it.

[Eve]

Righteousness vs The Law - a teaching by Creflo Dollar is a good resource to look at the issue of sin and the dangers of sin consciousness.

 

Repentance is the gateway where a person acknowledges their own sin before God and is the beginning of their relationship with God. There then follows various stages where the soul is changed.

 

Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

However, Creflo speaks about 'obsessive christianity' where sin becomes the focus rather than Grace.

 

Speaking for myself, I found that if I chased sin, I attracted those who were embroiled in sin. Via relying on Grace I can walk away from sin within myself and even help others who are caught in sin. Therefore I would agree that it is not good to focus exclusively on sin (two sins don't make righteousness). Practically speaking the art seems to centre on leaving room for God to move... otherwise what is the point? This is the ultimate purpose of faith, no?

 

Take care,

Eve x

[TaraMaiden]

...

However, Creflo speaks about 'obsessive christianity' where sin becomes the focus rather than Grace.

.....

Take care,

Eve x

 

My point exactly.

[HisGraceisSufficient]

Go to an Abused Women's shelter and ask them.

 

 

No. I'm saying I believe M30USA is.

 

I am assuming you went to an abused women's shelter (maybe you work at one) and asked them these same questions. What did they say?

 

M30USA may be in minority but that carries little weight, especially in the appeal to majority fallacy. God's wisdom is often perceived as foolishness to the world. M30USA's devout and passionate stance is perceived as foolish (or insert specific, negative adjective of your choice) but that is to be expected from the unbeliever.

 

As I would feel sorry for individuals like M30USA a year ago, I can understand the slight irritation with his posts and I would have rebuked him.

 

But, I can assume he lives in freedom and peace and nothing this world gives him can compare to the salvation and satisfying presence of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[HisGraceisSufficient]

A landmark study just found that, contrary to previously held belief, school-aged bullies actually have higher than average self esteem and self perception--not low self esteem. Consider that in light of the discussion here.

 

And whatever "negative consequences" the other posters think might arise from a self-depracating worldview, it really doesn't matter since this is the ONLY view which, according to the Bible, leads to repentance and then salvation.

 

I have heard of that study. I agree with you about the way of repentance and I am BIG on Kempis' stance on brokenness, denial of self, and humility before God.

 

I ask these question, not because I agree with them, but rather to avoid bickering back and forth. That is just my method, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt.

[TaraMaiden]

I have heard of that study....

 

I haven't. I'd still like to see it and its origin.

 

Thanks.

[TaraMaiden]

I am assuming you went to an abused women's shelter (maybe you work at one) and asked them these same questions. What did they say?

 

 

I'll let you do your own research.

I have heard it more times than I'd care to count. I know it inside out, back to front, upside-down and sideways.

The heinous crime is that it still continues unabated.

 

Go see for yourself.

[TheFinalWord]

Righteousness vs The Law - a teaching by Creflo Dollar is a good resource to look at the issue of sin and the dangers of sin consciousness.

 

Repentance is the gateway where a person acknowledges their own sin before God and is the beginning of their relationship with God. There then follows various stages where the soul is changed.

 

Romans 6:14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

However, Creflo speaks about 'obsessive christianity' where sin becomes the focus rather than Grace.

 

Speaking for myself, I found that if I chased sin, I attracted those who were embroiled in sin. Via relying on Grace I can walk away from sin within myself and even help others who are caught in sin. Therefore I would agree that it is not good to focus exclusively on sin (two sins don't make righteousness). Practically speaking the art seems to centre on leaving room for God to move... otherwise what is the point? This is the ultimate purpose of faith, no?

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

Good points! This just came up in my feed today These videos that have been popping up are in line with a lot of discussions on LS the past few days haha

 

[TheFinalWord]

Oh, I'd love to read your views in the political forum!

 

I'm thinking you'd be sent to that divine woodshed pureinheart speaks of!

 

Just for you Mercy

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/off-topic/political-proselytization-warmongering/350021-first-u-s-presidential-debate-5.html

[M30USA]

I am assuming you went to an abused women's shelter (maybe you work at one) and asked them these same questions. What did they say?

 

M30USA may be in minority but that carries little weight, especially in the appeal to majority fallacy. God's wisdom is often perceived as foolishness to the world. M30USA's devout and passionate stance is perceived as foolish (or insert specific, negative adjective of your choice) but that is to be expected from the unbeliever.

 

As I would feel sorry for individuals like M30USA a year ago, I can understand the slight irritation with his posts and I would have rebuked him.

 

But, I can assume he lives in freedom and peace and nothing this world gives him can compare to the salvation and satisfying presence of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

I am convinced that God keeps us here as long as it takes to realize that this world has nothing to offer us, and that we are meant for Him. I suspect this is our "training ground" where he wants us to see all that Satan has to offer, and after being dissappointed and burned by his false promises, we will finally be able to look at EVERYTHING he says to us and EVERYTHING he offers to us...and just laugh at him, saying no thank you.

[M30USA]

Where do you get this crap from?

 

Ever read in the Bible where Satan tempted Jesus? No? Well, I'm sorry. This used to be basic knowledge even among unbelievers until the Supreme Court banned the Bible from schools in the 1960s. I'm sorry you haven't heard these things.

[TheFinalWord]

I am convinced that God keeps us here as long as it takes to realize that this world has nothing to offer us, and that we are meant for Him. I suspect this is our "training ground" where he wants us to see all that Satan has to offer, and after being dissappointed and burned by his false promises, we will finally be able to look at EVERYTHING he says to us and EVERYTHING he offers to us...and just laugh at him, saying no thank you.

 

Yeah, I vary slightly. I realized this world had nothing to offer the day I asked Christ into my heart. I think one thing to keep in mind is something my pastor said (well former pastor from an area I no longer live in): "Don't become so heavenly minded that we become no earthly good". I do agree this is a training ground, but to prepare us to become more like Christ and to share the good news. Hugh Ross has a good book about "why the universe is the way it is". It's pretty cool and one of his reasons for our pilgrimage is to teach the angels. Something I think you would find interesting Yeah, I just heard the Gideon's were banned from another school in Canada. Unfortunate.

 

LifeSiteNews Mobile | Another Ontario public school board bans Gideon Bibles

[M30USA]

Anyone ever heard of the first public law passed in America in 1647? It was called the Massachussetts General School Law of 1647 (also called the Old Deluder Satan Act). Here is the exact text:

 

It being one chief project of that old deluder, Satan, to keep men from the knowledge of the Scriptures, as in former times by keeping them in an unknown tongue, so in these latter times by persuading from the use of tongues, that so that at least the true sense and meaning of the original might be clouded and corrupted with love and false glosses of saint-seeming deceivers; and to the end that learning may not be buried in the grave of our forefathers, in church and commonwealth, the Lord assisting our endeavors. It is therefore ordered that every township in this jurisdiction, after the Lord hath increased them to fifty households shall forthwith appoint one within their town to teach all such children as shall resort to him to write and read, whose wages shall be paid either by the parents or masters of such children, or by the inhabitants in general, by way of supply, as the major part of those that order the prudentials of the town shall appoint; provided those that send their children be not oppressed by paying much more than they can have them taught for in other towns. And it is further ordered, that when any town shall increase to the number of one hundred families or householders, they shall set up a grammar school, the master thereof being able to instruct youth so far as they may be fitted for the university, provided that if any town neglect the performance hereof above one year that every such town shall pay 5 pounds to the next school till they shall perform this order.

[M30USA]

Yeah, I vary slightly. I realized this world had nothing to offer the day I asked Christ into my heart. I think one thing to keep in mind is something my pastor said (well former pastor from an area I no longer live in): "Don't become so heavenly minded that we become no earthly good". I do agree this is a training ground, but to prepare us to become more like Christ and to share the good news. Hugh Ross has a good book about "why the universe is the way it is". It's pretty cool and one of his reasons for our pilgrimage is to teach the angels. Something I think you would find interesting Yeah, I just heard the Gideon's were banned from another school in Canada. Unfortunate.

 

LifeSiteNews Mobile | Another Ontario public school board bans Gideon Bibles

 

I'd rather err on the side of being too heavenly minded than to earthly minded. If you are heavenly minded, you will get heaven...and earth thrown in. If you are earhtly minded, you will usually get neither.

[GorillaTheater]

lying *******. i hate america. how about i burn its flug.

 

Oh no. Anything but my flug.

 

 

There are better ways to try to get attention, man.

[TheFinalWord]

I'd rather err on the side of being too heavenly minded than to earthly minded. If you are heavenly minded, you will get heaven...and earth thrown in. If you are earhtly minded, you will usually get neither.

 

Yeah, I hear ya. Love CS Lewis "aim for heaven get earth thrown in". But I think we need to have an influence on this earth and on others "love our neighbors as we love ourselves". Plus there's a lot of good in this world. Lots of pain and evil as well. But we're the light, and the salt of the earth. If I only have to learn I don't need anything but God, where do others fit in? I think God keeps us around for more than just to realize that we have nothing without Him. I know that already, in my limited human perspective. He wants us to share the love of Christ. It's not just about what we learn, it's also manifesting the love of God for others as well. Like what Christ did for us. He already knew perfectly and perfectly relied on the father, having a perfect eternal relationship with Him. But God kept him here until "his hour had come". He came and His purpose was to serve others, His family who will unite with Him in heaven. Kind of scattered, sorry. But I can't wait until Christ returns and delivers us. We can probably agree on that

 

"Save us, O Lord our God, and gather us from among the heathen, to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise. Blessed be the Lord God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the Lord."

[M30USA]

Yeah, I hear ya. Love CS Lewis "aim for heaven get earth thrown in". But I think we need to have an influence on this earth and on others "love our neighbors as we love ourselves". Plus there's a lot of good in this world. Lots of pain and evil as well. But we're the light, and the salt of the earth. If I only have to learn I don't need anything but God, where do others fit in? I think God keeps us around for more than just to realize that we have nothing without Him. I know that already, in my limited human perspective. He wants us to share the love of Christ. It's not just about what we learn, it's also manifesting the love of God for others as well. Like what Christ did for us. He already knew perfectly and perfectly relied on the father, having a perfect eternal relationship with Him. But God kept him here until "his hour had come". He came and His purpose was to serve others, His family who will unite with Him in heaven. Kind of scattered, sorry. But I can't wait until Christ returns and delivers us. We can probably agree on that

 

"Save us, O Lord our God, and gather us from among the heathen, to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise. Blessed be the Lord God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the Lord."

 

I was TRYING to remember the CS Lewis quote! Thank you! I have read about 80% of his books and I have so many darn quotes of his flying around but I only remembered the idea of that one and not the exact words.