Is SIN so ingrained in our being that we don't even SEE it?

[pureinheart]

Deeply hurt people do this.

 

Shame does this too. Shame at allowing someone to touch our heart, then rip it out. We (general) need vengeance, it temporarily soothes the soul.

 

Giving those hurts to God, laying them at the foot of the cross, feeling the comfort of the Holy Spirit, heals the heart and frees us to love again.

 

He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds. (Psalms147:3)

 

Love is the cure,

for your pain will keep giving birth to more pain

until your eyes constantly exhale love

as effortlessly as your body yields its scent. - Rumi

 

Wow, shame is a KILLER. A friend of mine did and exhaustive study concerning shame and wrote a piece on it...after I read it there was an instant freedom and understanding.

 

I also want to touch on "fear" in which another poster brought forth. Fear can be a possitive emotion when it is from God...here's a couple of paragraphs that I think best fit what I want to convey concerning fear.

 

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding have all those who do His Commandments; His praise endures forever. Psalms 111:10

 

 

The fear of the Lord - Reverence for God; respect for his law, his will, his government, himself; the fear of offending him, which will lead us to do right. This fear is not that of a slave; it is not mere dread; it is not terror. It is consistent with love, and springs from it. It is consistent with calmness of mind, and promotes it. It does not produce terror, but rather delivers from it, and preserves the mind from alarms. The word here rendered "fear" is a noun of the same origin as the word rendered "reverend" in the previous verse. The suggestion to the mind of the psalmist that the "name of the Lord" was "reverend," or was to be venerated, introduced this thought that such reverence is the very foundation of wisdom.Is the beginning of wisdom - The foundation, the origin, the commencement of being truly wise. It is so. There is no true wisdom which does not recognize the being, the perfections, and the claims of God. The highest wisdom - the most lofty endowment of man - is that he "may" know and honor God. This, in capability, makes him wise above the brute creation; this, in exercise, makes one man more wise than another; this, when it springs up in the soul, makes a man more wise than he was before - or, is the "beginning" of true wisdom in the soul. Compare Proverbs 1:7; Proverbs 9:10; Deuteronomy 4:6; Job 28:28; Ecclesiastes 12:13.

[pureinheart]

I have now had opportunity to watch this video.. thanks! JP is a talented Preacher! I have not really watched him but I will be more open to him now.

 

Creflo opened up a new yearning in my soul in his teaching because of the afore mentioned resource, Righteousness and The Law.. (could not find whole links on Youtube. CLUE: I think it maybe a four parter in it's entirety)

 

From taking in Creflo's teaching, I am looking forward to the prophesied time we shall enjoy life without sin, much muchly more freely.

 

Overall, I have concluded that sin (including ignorance of what is sin) and also being easiiy offended are the two things which need to cease from this Earth.

 

Those embroiled in these things seem to be directly part of the problem.

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

Joseph Prince is a doll, his style is right up there with the best!

 

Creflo Dollar gave a teaching the other day that was just amazing. Many may not agree with this, although I think he's right on the money.

 

He spoke of the fact of asking for forgiveness concerning the believer is not needed. He made sense in the fact that the believer has already been "forgiven" by the cross and the blood of Jesus concerning sin...past present and future...basically that the fact of repentance is the key, turning away from sin.

 

Like I said many may not agree with this, although I think he is right.

[Eve]

Joseph Prince is a doll, his style is right up there with the best!

 

Creflo Dollar gave a teaching the other day that was just amazing. Many may not agree with this, although I think he's right on the money.

 

He spoke of the fact of asking for forgiveness concerning the believer is not needed. He made sense in the fact that the believer has already been "forgiven" by the cross and the blood of Jesus concerning sin...past present and future...basically that the fact of repentance is the key, turning away from sin.

 

Like I said many may not agree with this, although I think he is right.

 

Interesting.. I can see what he is saying. I would say that the difference between being nice and being convicted is that the latter is often linked to a greater purpose/revelation of God. That's how I would take the term 'believer' in the context Creflo uses. Many hear but don't feel or even respond to Christ. The original repentance is the gateway of guidance throughout trials, sins and triumphs.

 

My Hubby really likes JP now. He was asking after him the other day. He is normally a TD Jakes man, or any male black preacher. He says they are more practical and sincere. I think it is from being around my brothers, whom he absolutely adores!

 

I like JP's humour and the fact that he can identify the original usage of Hebrew meanings.

 

Hope I gt to meet him one day. Creflo too.

 

Take care,

Eve x

[pureinheart]

Interesting.. I can see what he is saying. I would say that the difference between being nice and being convicted is that the latter is often linked to a greater purpose/revelation of God. That's how I would take the term 'believer' in the context Creflo uses. Many hear but don't feel or even respond to Christ. The original repentance is the gateway of guidance throughout trials, sins and triumphs.

 

My Hubby really likes JP now. He was asking after him the other day. He is normally a TD Jakes man, or any male black preacher. He says they are more practical and sincere. I think it is from being around my brothers, whom he absolutely adores!

 

I like JP's humour and the fact that he can identify the original usage of Hebrew meanings.

 

Hope I gt to meet him one day. Creflo too.

 

Take care,

Eve x

 

When reading what you wrote, lol, realised I feel the same as your hubby, also my God mother raised me up in the Spirit teaching me how to operate in the gifts through example.

 

Second bold put a smile on my face and warmed my heart knowing we will get to meet all of the great teachers of our day and each other...what a glorious eternal reunion!

 

I love how JP communicates, he's got such spark and energy and I love his accent. The orginal Hebrew and Greek are soooo important for accurate interpretaion.

 

Just thinking how blessed we are to have such wonderful teachers and each other to fellowship with:love:

[mercy]

It is a very high stage on the path of love when a man really learns to love another with a love that asks no return.

Bowl of Saki, October 7, by Hazrat Inayat Kha

[The nihilst chick]

I am a believer, if you haven't guessed already, in the concept of radical depravity of the human heart. Most people tend to view sin as just isolated actions. They might view murder, theft, or adultery as ACTS of sin, but rarely go to the point of considering that the CORE BEING of all humans is radically depraved.

 

I believe this is because sin is so ingrained in our being that it affects even our ability to correctly view ourselves. It's much like a mental patient who cannot see his own mental disorder because his denial and unawareness is very part of the disorder.

 

It's also because our understanding of how God designed us to be is lacking. For example, we think that normal life is where we work, save money, provide for our family, compete in the business world, get promoted, enjoy our lives, etc, etc. And while it's hard to convince anyone that this is anythingo other than normal and good, if you could truly see the standard that God has set before us in the man of Jesus, you would realize almost all of our lives are nothing more than self-centered fodder. Even if we are doing things for our family/friends, it's still indirectly self-centered. God designed us to live for him, to give all to him, to love our neighbor as ourself, to follow him even unto death, to not desire anything in this world more than him at any time, and to not be at rest unless our soul is at complete fellowship with him.

 

When you talk about sin and how God designed us to be in THAT light, suddenly it's not so far-fetched to talk about the human heart as being radically depraved.

 

The downside to all of this is that, being radically depraved, we don't even possess the ability to change our hearts, to turn to God in a spirit of truth, or to even please God.

 

The upside is that God does it all for us. He has paid the price of our sin. The Bible says HE is the one who gives us a pure heart, and HE is the one (who via the Holy Spirit) allows us to please God. Otherwise, on our own, we would never be able to.

If anything god would be egostical needing peoples praise and faith or he will get a tantrum. So what flaws are in humans are in god himself. If he exists.

[domenicosal]

We were wrong done from the very beginning. All mankind come from just one couple, Adam and Eve. Just by observing how the beginning was, you can see that with a bad origin, there is no way to expect a good story. Adam and Eve procreated Cain and Abel. And later Cain killed Abel. There were just four humans in this world, and the first murder happened. This is a very notorious sign of an undeniable fact: whether we have evil into our genes since the very beginning or something went wrong with our creation. But there was more: to continue with the breeding of human race more people must were born, so or Adam and Eve procreate a daughter and then Cain had to commit incest with his sister or Adam with her daughter, or maybe there were incest between Eve and her son. We will never know what happened, but for sure there was an incestuous mix of genes between those first humans. Now we know that by mixing genes of the same origin the descendants always have ominous hereditary defects on their DNA. So the entire mankind was created carrying congenital defects from our very start. Maybe as you say, we have sin ingrained in our being from the very beginning of mankind. I don’t know why God, being a perfect being created an imperfect being from the beginning, and then when problems arise from our imperfection he feels offended by our behavior. Isn’t it a perfect nonsense?