Most volitally attacked Faith?

[ComingInHot]

I have joined in a couple of topics over here and have noticed that when it comes to different faiths/religions none are more volitally attacked/responded to than belief in God & Him as the Creator.

 

I have been wondering why that is?!

 

Is it because the faith has a Savior said to be the embodiment of the Father & that might be considered heracy? Is it because the faith proclaims that One man conquered death whereas other great men of other faiths, at the end just simply, died?

 

I'm just curious.

 

And please, please no need to be harsh or angry, w/responses. *

[somedude81]

I have been wondering why that is?!

Simple, because it is the most accepted faith in the west.

 

Can you imagine the backlash if people would attack Islam?

 

Also Christianity/Catholicism are the faiths that most people know about.

 

Who knows anything about Buddhism or Hinduism to attack them?

[Titanwolf]

Who knows anything about Buddhism

I know enough to know that nothing warrants an attack on them. Most major/organized religions are rife with hypocrisy, lies and fear mongering. It's actually rather interesting how I react these days. If someone declares that they're "X" religion (especially without me asking, or without reason) I'm instantly put on the defensive and cautious. If someone tells me they're Buddhist, I feel respect and slightly calmer. IMO, mainstream religion is experiencing the backlash of spreading ignorance and extremism though out the ages. Edited October 3, 2012 by Titanwolf

[TheFinalWord]

I have joined in a couple of topics over here and have noticed that when it comes to different faiths/religions none are more volitally attacked/responded to than belief in God & Him as the Creator.

 

I have been wondering why that is?!

 

Is it because the faith has a Savior said to be the embodiment of the Father & that might be considered heracy? Is it because the faith proclaims that One man conquered death whereas other great men of other faiths, at the end just simply, died?

 

I'm just curious.

 

And please, please no need to be harsh or angry, w/responses. *

 

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[taiko]

The general faith of this board's communities tend to be Christian or post-Christian. You could say that devout Catholics and evangelical Protesants are the remaining political opponent to many changes wanted by the progressives. While devout Muslims may agree they are small in number and generally lumped in as minorities and they think that ethnic status will trump sharia law.

[123321]

....than belief in God & Him as the Creator.

 

That's pretty f*cking vague, many religions believe in creation via god.

[MilitantPacifist]

I think what you're missing is that people attack evangelical faiths, IE ones that believe unless they're converting the unwashed heathen, they're not doing their jobs.

 

This kind of pushy intolerance is, naturally, fought against. By and large people are very tolerant of other faiths these days. They just fight back against evangelicals who are judgmental. Evangelicals even attempt to force their faith on others by making it official legislation and educating (brainwashing) it into other people's children.

 

Obviously, that is not something that can be tolerated.

[Feelin Frisky]

I have no knowledge of anyone else's opinion much less the rating of their "volatility", I can however gauge from your question that you are so very much inside the box of Judeo-Christian faith-lore that it would be foolish to expect you to understand a "universe view" with complete emotionless detachment that is not human-centric, replete with a man-like "creator" and a "flat Earth" "saviour". If my response seems "volatile" I can assure you I'm not the least bit riled. All the evidence and truth is hidden in plain sight that the universe does not revolve around us and nothing with register upon it if humanity ceased to exist tomorrow. That is why good people need get off their knees and get on the ball "saving" ourselves from ourselves.

[ComingInHot]

Titan & Militant:

I can see your points of view on this. I actually agree w/what you're saying for the most part. My least favorite people are those that judge others then turn around and do their own dirty lirle deeds going against everything they are supposedly proclaiming, or those that are "half way" believers (of any faith or religion) who choose to believe only some parts or accept only some parts of the "rules, principles, commandments" but toss the rest because it doesn't work for them...

 

I also don't run around getting in strangers faces saying, "ooh, ooh, look at me I'm a Christian" I'd be pretty put off too. Probably not the best way to get to know people...

 

For me, I came to my decision to believe in the Christian faith after studying and gathering information on many other faiths and theories. My hope is that when people see my actions (and there are times when my actions don't represent what I do believe*) but mostly that they see what I have chosen to believe, and that means all of it not bits and pieces.

 

If I am asked, I am happy to share what has given me hope and peace. Am I trying to "convert the heathens of the world"? If I answer honestly... Yeah. My faith says my goal is to do just that. I do so however when the opportunity or invitation is presented, and not innappropiately. And I don't hesitate to shut it down if I become offensive to the person asking in the first place.

 

Do you two think that would make you angry w/me or w/someone who approached in this way, via your invitation? *

 

Oh and the comment from the poster w/all the numbers as his I.d... nice...

[ComingInHot]

Feeling Frisky & NIN:

 

You are right on the point that I have difficulty setting aside my emotions. I LOVE to LOVE and I get angry when bad things happen and sad when I miss those I care for. I try not to "hurt" anyone yet I KNOW I would have no problem defending my home from someone intent on harming my children. I count on hard core facts & science to keep me grounded while my faith gives me peace & hope & keeps me from giving into my animalistic nature that could & would not benefit those around me.

 

I'm not necessarily excited that you two kind of sound like you would harm me based on me believing in something you do not. (A little happy right now this is an anonymous forum

 

I don't see myself as living in a box from my earlier posts so, okay...

 

I commend you for being as emotionaless as you claim. Probably would have saved me a lot of heartache growing up.

[MilitantPacifist]

Do you two think that would make you angry w/me or w/someone who approached in this way, via your invitation

 

Of course not. If I were to call the Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses or whoever and ask for one of their missionaries to meet me for coffee because I wanted some guidance (I did this at a particularly dark point in my life actually), what sense would it make for me to get angry when they showed up and started preaching?

 

But the key word there is invitation. Most missionaries don't wait for one. They have no problem trying to convert you in casual conversation, because they jump from "Oh I don't have a denomination" or "I'm agnostic" to "I'm comfortable with my decision to go to hell."

 

And certainly the attempts to change our very form of government and education are forced evangelism, not by invitation at all.

[ComingInHot]

Militant:

 

Thanks* I appreciate your comments so much and the respectful way your reply came across to me.

 

I absolutely agree... invitation is the best way & what I do. Most of if not all the time when I meet people/patients what have you the last thing on my mind is "what religion are you"... Tacky and superficial to begin a friendship, but a quick way to end it*

 

Anyway, thanks.

[Titanwolf]

Do you two think that would make you angry w/me or w/someone who approached in this way, via your invitation?

Not at all. It's mainly those (like Jehova's witnesses) who come to my door and tell me various different ways of how I'll be cooked in hell, unless I join them. Also those who mention their religion out of the blue, to establish some sort of moral high ground. May as well say "I'm better than you". I'm not against God, I'm not against Jesus, I am against Religions that have caused me to be against them. Hate is earned and I can honestly say that a few religions have certainly earned it (not the people though).

[KathyM]

I don't see why some people feel so personally threatened just because others have a certain faith or belief system. If someone else's belief system is not hurting you, then why take offense about it? People are entitled to their beliefs. Very few Christians actually knock on your door or invade your personal space in order to preach the gospel. If you come across someone who is preaching the gospel, then no one is forcing you to listen to it. You can choose not to listen and not to believe. Why take offense? The hatred/contempt towards religious people who are not harming you makes no sense.

[Titanwolf]

I don't see why some people feel so personally threatened just because others have a certain faith or belief system.

 

Because certain faiths ARE threats. Holy wars, terrorists attacks, need I say more?. If anything, certain religions have done more damage to people and the planet than anything else.

 

If someone else's belief system is not hurting you, then why take offense about it? People are entitled to their beliefs. Very few Christians actually knock on your door or invade your personal space in order to preach the gospel. If you come across someone who is preaching the gospel, then no one is forcing you to listen to it. You can choose not to listen and not to believe. Why take offense? The hatred/contempt towards religious people who are not harming you makes no sense.

I take offence when they offend others right to freedom. The religious folk who kill people with defects and accuse them of witch craft. The religious folk who kill gay people, despite the fat that they were born that way. I could even go as far as to liken the KKK to extreme devout followers. The only reason it's not PC to do so, is because they're considered a cult. If they were larger perhaps it'd be ok to do so.

 

You can't choose not to listen to it, without physically covering your ears. You have those overly-zealous types that scream at the top of their lungs outside the macdonalds, where I pass on Saturdays on the way into the shopping centre. They're preventing people from having private conversations within a 50 metre radius. It's both highly annoying and rude. How can you not listen to it?. Like I said though, I have nothing against the people (the one's who understand common courtesy and respect) but I do have a bone to pick with the Religions that have caused so much suffering to people who don't even believe in them.

[ComingInHot]

KathyM:

 

Thanks for the reply and I get what you're saying. I think there is a difference in the distinction between over zealous and sorely misguided Christians who are screaming to anyone and everyone that if they don't repent and accept the Christian faith then they are eternally damned to someone like me ( I'm really sticking my neck out here), who is genuinely happy that I am to NOT hate or judge another human. I believe I am to win souls for the heaven I believe but not stuff down throats & most definitely not put on the holier than thou robe cause I'd trip all over it...

 

I guess w/this topic I was looking for why Christians seem to make people angry just w/the acknowledgment of it if asked.

 

I think the overall view here is that for most posters so far, it's less the religion per say than the hypocrites slinging mud in God's name. Am I right or close so far?

 

Bummer thing is that I'm not like that but still feel that is a reflection on me anyways...

[KathyM]

Because certain faiths ARE threats. Holy wars, terrorists attacks, need I say more?. If anything, certain religions have done more damage to people and the planet than anything else.

You can't blame an entire religion for the actions of a small segment of terrorists.

I take offence when they offend others right to freedom. The religious folk who kill people with defects and accuse them of witch craft. The religious folk who kill gay people, despite the fat that they were born that way. I could even go as far as to liken the KKK to extreme devout followers. The only reason it's not PC to do so, is because they're considered a cult. If they were larger perhaps it'd be ok to do so.

Again, you can't blame an entire religion for the actions of a terrorist group like the KKK or Nazi's during WWII, or any other extremist groups that exploit Christianity for their own evil purposes.

You can't choose not to listen to it, without physically covering your ears. You have those overly-zealous types that scream at the top of their lungs outside the macdonalds, where I pass on Saturdays on the way into the shopping centre. They're preventing people from having private conversations within a 50 metre radius. It's both highly annoying and rude.

. Is that such a hardship for you to be within earshot of the gospel for a brief few minutes?

How can you not listen to it?. Like I said though, I have nothing against the people (the one's who understand common courtesy and respect) but I do have a bone to pick with the Religions that have caused so much suffering to people who don't even believe in them.

Like I said, don't blame an entire religion for the actions of a small segment of terrorists.

Edited October 4, 2012 by KathyM

[KathyM]

KathyM:

 

Thanks for the reply and I get what you're saying. I think there is a difference in the distinction between over zealous and sorely misguided Christians who are screaming to anyone and everyone that if they don't repent and accept the Christian faith then they are eternally damned to someone like me ( I'm really sticking my neck out here), who is genuinely happy that I am to NOT hate or judge another human. I believe I am to win souls for the heaven I believe but not stuff down throats & most definitely not put on the holier than thou robe cause I'd trip all over it...

 

I guess w/this topic I was looking for why Christians seem to make people angry just w/the acknowledgment of it if asked.

 

I think the overall view here is that for most posters so far, it's less the religion per say than the hypocrites slinging mud in God's name. Am I right or close so far?

 

Bummer thing is that I'm not like that but still feel that is a reflection on me anyways...

As Christians, we are supposed to spread the gospel to those who are open to hearing it. That doesn't constitute "shoving it down someone's throat". Unless you are being forced to listen to it and forced to attend religious services of a certain faith, then it is not being "shoved down your throat." Unless you live in an oppressed country where choosing a different faith and practicing it is outlawed, you really can't claim any religion is being forced upon you.

 

I would agree that it's unfortunate when someone uses God's name to perpetuate evil, such as the slaughter of the Jews by Nazi Germany.

[MilitantPacifist]

As Christians, we are supposed to spread the gospel to those who are open to hearing it. That doesn't constitute "shoving it down someone's throat". Unless you are being forced to listen to it and forced to attend religious services of a certain faith, then it is not being "shoved down your throat." Unless you live in an oppressed country where choosing a different faith and practicing it is outlawed, you really can't claim any religion is being forced upon you.

 

I would agree that it's unfortunate when someone uses God's name to perpetuate evil, such as the slaughter of the Jews by Nazi Germany.

 

Therein is the problem though.

 

The religious right in America IS trying to force everyone to attend religious services. They *do* believe it should be shoved down everyone's throat. They are regularly trying to introduce legislation to:

 

a) Dissolve the separation of church in state. In various ways, the most alarming of which is wanting to establish a state-sponsored religion.

b) Remove restrictions on religion in public schools. (They're not trying to get *all* religions taught in public school, just their own brand.)

c) Outlaw the teaching of any science which contradicts their dogma or scripture.

 

So essentially, they want to turn government and education into religion, and also make it illegal to teach something that contradicts their scripture.

 

Am I the only one who sees something *very* wrong with this?

[ComingInHot]

Militant:

 

I think what I hear/read KathyM saying is that she and I are similar in that we are called to spread the Word to those "open to hearing" it.

 

I also think she might agree to scream the gospel to those that r not open, well would be a waste of our time/energy... falling on deaf ears at that point. ( kind of like me and J.W.'s at my front door).

 

KathyM: I hope I didn't overstep my bounds here w/my support of your post*

[Titanwolf]

You can't blame an entire religion for the actions of a small segment of terrorists.

 

Again, you can't blame an entire religion for the actions of a terrorist group like the KKK or Nazi's during WWII, or any other extremist groups that exploit Christianity for their own evil purposes.

. Is that such a hardship for you to be within earshot of the gospel for a brief few minutes?

 

Like I said, don't blame an entire religion for the actions of a small segment of terrorists.

 

Well actually I can. If that religion teaches them to commit these acts, which they confess that they do, I can.

 

The fact is, they would have a lot less followers, if they didn't use God as a bargaining chip when recruiting their members. The fact that people throw around concepts (like the afterlife) that they are completely ignorant about, annoys me. There are religions that tell people to kill the most amount of people possible whilst sacrificing yourself in the name of religion AND THEN, you shall be rewarded for committing such an act in the afterlife give me a break.

 

so you think I'm overreacting, because I'm forced to listen to something I don't want to listen to?. When the preachers penetrate my sound cancelling headphones and disturb my music, that's ok because they're preaching your religion right?. You're trying to ignore the fact that these people are being very selfish. There's a Starbucks opposite the macdonalds where they preach, do you think it's fair for all the staff and the people relaxing in there, to have to listen to these people go on and on and on without allowing them to engage in their own private conversations. It's rude and selfish and you can try and trivialize it, but if you were popping in Starbucks for a tea/coffee on a Saturday morning and you had to hear an Atheist speak out against religion, would you be happy about it? no. In fact, an Atheist is the only type that people would take issue with, how hypocritical.

 

so a Parent tells their child to kill their sibling. They do it. Who do you blame?. Exactly.

[todreaminblue]

Free will...is key...

 

 

freedom to choose what you believe in and what you dont believe in....if somebody attacks your free will or your freedom to choose they are the ones who sit in judgement......you shouldn't judge anyone....let them attack...the bible predicts this anyway...doesnt matter if they do attack you doesn't change the fact there is one truth.....

 

there is also a truth that you cannot really be brainwashed with truth...

people say that you are to justify their disbelief of what you believe in...all a waste of time really for them, they should just choose to follow what they believe in...instead of attacking others for being followers of a different faith....but such is the world and people who want to destroy free will..mine is intact and happy bring it on attackers.

smilin atcha..lol....deb

[ComingInHot]

Form me, it comes down to sharing my faith w/those Open To Hear It.

 

My faith commands or directs me to "Win" souls for Christ, not condem/judge them.

 

I feel that as a follower of my faith, it would be considered a Good thing.

I'm not called to wage war holy or otherwise against a people but against "evil" meaning those that WOULD kill babies born w/birth defects or being of a different sexual preference, or forcing their beliefs/religion on others... I happen to think the Ten Commandments of the Christian faith are overall provide a pretty good guideline to follow whether you're Christian or not. I know I'm a better person for trying my best to abide by them.

 

I happen to abhor fanatics whose sole purpose is to either convert or kill so their religion is the only one left to follow. And realistically that probably won't happen anyway.

 

My question was more for those who wished to comment on the Christian faith. I ended up invited to discuss my faith w/that from another & he ended up angry w/me for having the audacity to believe in a faith where (he thought) the savior "pretended" to rise from the dead, conquering death & allowing us the choice to repair or cross the bridge created through his sacrifice and be re-conected to The Creator, God.

He said NO ONE comes back from the dead... I respectfully ended the conversation as he was becoming SO angry.*

[ComingInHot]

Nor I you if you wish to speak*

 

I honestly Do appreciate reading your point of view.

 

One of my life long BEST FRIEND is a proclaimed athiest. Funny, her two best friend in the world are Christians. I love her completely*

[Hawaii50]

FAITH IN ONE'S SELF!!! By far.