Shooting Pakistani girls

[BetheButterfly]

And I suppose MLK should have just sat there and ate his sammich. This girl was trying to be a beacon, a role model, and her light was snuffed-which will only turn other women away from such endeavors.

 

Do you think MLK was a horrible blankety-blank person since he believed in God and in Jesus?

[BetheButterfly]

Umm.. also, I don't think she's dead yet either.

 

Many people, including me, are praying that she doesn't die... and we are very grateful for the hard work the medical people are doing to help save her life. They can only do so much, but they are working as hard as they can with the knowledge they have to help save her life, as well as the life of the other girl who is in critical condition.

 

I hope neither one dies.

[irin]

Oh, BtB. It's horrible, but after everything I've read about the Middle East, I'm really not surprised. I think I've reached this point where I'm totally jaded towards anything those people can or will do to women. Fathers killing their own daughters who were raped to protect the 'honor' of their family. Women stoned to death for daring to expose an ankle or a strand of hair. Baby girls having their genitals mutilated in the name of 'female circumcision'. I don't know anything any of us can do for them at this point.

 

pakistan is not the middle east, its in south Asia.

 

stop generalising so much. women suffer as much in the west. little girls, get murdered for no reason (little april, now missing), girl got raped for not having bus fair at night, so many cases of statutory rape. domestic violence. katie piper is an english girl who got attacked by an english guy- acid victim. the mormons and their child brides in the u.s. women suffer everywhere.

 

but oh those disgusting middle-easterners are the only people abusing women.

[123321]

Honestly, her being a doctor would have done little. You can't overturn an entire political regime and oppression by being a doctor. Doctors have their place in the world... and so do political activists. The people who fought for the emancipation of slaves, for instance, saved many more lives than they would have had had they just STFU'ed and became doctors.

 

If that was her immediate goal then fine, she rolled the dice as a political activist and got what she got, which is terrible but she wasn't killed for getting an education.

[BetheButterfly]

If that was her immediate goal then fine, she rolled the dice as a political activist and got what she got, which is terrible but she wasn't killed for getting an education.

 

The goal of the Taliban who shot her was to kill her.

[GorillaTheater]

pakistan is not the middle east, its in south Asia.

 

stop generalising so much. women suffer as much in the west. little girls, get murdered for no reason (little april, now missing), girl got raped for not having bus fair at night, so many cases of statutory rape. domestic violence. katie piper is an english girl who got attacked by an english guy- acid victim. the mormons and their child brides in the u.s. women suffer everywhere.

 

but oh those disgusting middle-easterners are the only people abusing women.

 

I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying that the abuse is a tad more institutional in much of the Middle East, and Pakistan, than in the West.

[yessy21]

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We need to do something. We need to help save these girls from the evil senseless violence against them.

 

 

I was outraged yesterday when i saw this news... and thats because you didnt see the one about the guatemala and the little boy and his sister.

 

they came in and gundowned his whole family and his sister nad him survived the attack and he had to explain to the police what happened. they even showed pictures... alll for a piece of Freaking land.

 

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. something went wrong with this world, terribly wrong for them to be as inhuman as to shoot a 14 year old girl for voicing out her opinion. I would spit on that POS face.

[123321]

I would spit on that POS face.

 

And then he would shoot YOU as well. Learn self control people.

[Els]

pakistan is not the middle east, its in south Asia.

 

stop generalising so much. women suffer as much in the west. little girls, get murdered for no reason (little april, now missing), girl got raped for not having bus fair at night, so many cases of statutory rape. domestic violence. katie piper is an english girl who got attacked by an english guy- acid victim. the mormons and their child brides in the u.s. women suffer everywhere.

 

but oh those disgusting middle-easterners are the only people abusing women.

 

Where have I ever said that Pakistan is in the Middle East? And where have I ever said that the West is a total utopia for women or that women are never abused there? You sure have a humongous chip on your shoulder if I ever saw one.

 

That doesn't change the fact that violence and oppression against women that is institutionalized and allowed, encouraged, or even performed by the government is a whole different kettle of fish from violence or oppression that is performed by individuals against other individuals. There have been women who physically abused their husbands in America as well, does that mean that 'America abuses and oppresses men'?

[Hawaii50]

Maybe he had a better sense of timing. If he'd showed up at 17 in a KKK night rally and started to be a beacon, we wouldn't know his name. Discretion is the better part of valor and all that.

 

Not sure what timezone you're in, but NOW works. your example is not accurate. if this woman walked into a fundamentalist camp.. yeah, see?

She wasn't. She was shot boarding a bus to go home from school. In the end it doesn't matter, MLK was shot outside a hotel room. BUT because of what he showed he changed history.

 

He did it when he was ready, when it was poignant. She was doing the same. NOW is the only time to act, but only someone to is ready will know what NOW means.

[irin]

Oh, BtB. It's horrible, but after everything I've read about the Middle East, I'm really not surprised. I think I've reached this point where I'm totally jaded towards anything those people can or will do to women. Fathers killing their own daughters who were raped to protect the 'honor' of their family. Women stoned to death for daring to expose an ankle or a strand of hair. Baby girls having their genitals mutilated in the name of 'female circumcision'. I don't know anything any of us can do for them at this point.

 

this thread is about a case in Pakistan.

 

"anything those people can or will do to women" those people? why the stereotyping and generalisation, but yeah those people.

[Hawaii50]

Do you think MLK was a horrible blankety-blank person since he believed in God and in Jesus?

 

No not in the least. I'm saying MLK was a beacon for peace and civil rights. And he stepped up when he needed to. He didn't wait. When the opportunity to do so was there he did it. he didn't schedule 60's or the civil rights movement on his calendar- I don't think.

 

 

Same as this women, she was a beacon for civil rights of WOMEN, and was when she needed to be. She is extraordinary in that she's already done so much as such a young age.. even it all it was was being courageous and learning, and telling other girls it was alright to learn too. Right now the country is in uproar, it could be a tipping point or it could be washed over in a week.

 

All I know is, there's adages, and this was a straw. This looks horrible on all muslim countries, unfortunately. The fanatics will lose support.

[irin]

Not sure what timezone you're in, but NOW works. your example is not accurate. if this woman walked into a fundamentalist camp.. yeah, see?

She wasn't. She was shot boarding a bus to go home from school. In the end it doesn't matter, MLK was shot outside a hotel room. BUT because of what he showed he changed history.

 

He did it when he was ready, when it was poignant. She was doing the same. NOW is the only time to act, but only someone to is ready will know what NOW means.

 

there has to more to this story, clearly this girl was target big time out of all others. there many university graduate females in Pakistan, never heard much about them getting attacked.

[BetheButterfly]

I was outraged yesterday when i saw this news... and thats because you didnt see the one about the guatemala and the little boy and his sister.

 

they came in and gundowned his whole family and his sister nad him survived the attack and he had to explain to the police what happened. they even showed pictures... alll for a piece of Freaking land.

 

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. something went wrong with this world, terribly wrong for them to be as inhuman as to shoot a 14 year old girl for voicing out her opinion. I would spit on that POS face.

 

Thanks Yessy for writing about that. No I didn't see about the Guatamelan children. I will research that. One of my favorite organizations helps children in Guatemala and in Central America.

 

Yes you are right we have to do something!!!

 

As for spitting, I have to admit I'd be tempted but I probably wouldn't do that, cause that's rude and I am extremely sensitive to rudeness. However, I have not been put through hell like many people have been put through. I think when someone has been through hell, politeness is one of first things to go.

[irin]

i think the best thing is to get her out of there. because they clearly not going to let her go. maybe the u.s. or uk, give her family asylum. BTB why dont you start a petition for that in the u.s?

[Hawaii50]

there has to more to this story, clearly this girl was target big time out of all others. there many university graduate females in Pakistan, never heard much about them getting attacked.

 

 

Because she was in the limelight, she was an activist in the community, on the Web (BBC.com) and made speeches in public. She was up for " International Childrens Peace Prize" This girl was 14. Amazing.

 

 

 

Malala Yousafzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[BetheButterfly]

No not in the least. I'm saying MLK was a beacon for peace and civil rights. And he stepped up when he needed to. He didn't wait. When the opportunity to do so was there he did it. he didn't schedule 60's or the civil rights movement on his calendar- I don't think.

 

Would you have written him about "f" this and "f" that and insulted his beliefs if you could have? I am still miffed at you, though I'm supposed to forgive you. That's slightly annoying to me, to be honest. I'd rather not forgive you right now and still sulk but Jesus (who you don't believe is true) commands through the account in the Bible to forgive, and you didn't even do anything to me except insult what I believe. The irony is so annoying though. Let me be mad at you and not forgive you for a little longer ok?

 

By the way, Martin Luther King Jr. is one of my heroes and I 100% agree with you that he is an awesome beacon for peace and civil right.

 

Same as this women, she was a beacon for civil rights of WOMEN, and was when she needed to be. She is extraordinary in that she's already done so much as such a young age.. even it all it was was being courageous and learning, and telling other girls it was alright to learn too

100% agree with you!!! Yes she is extraordinary!!! My hat goes off to her! I very much admire and respect her and her fight for an education for the girls in Pakistan!

. Right now the country is in uproar, it could be a tipping point or it could be washed over in a week.

I hope it brings productive change for the good of the girls in Pakistan.

All I know is, there's adages, and this was a straw. This looks horrible on all muslim countries, unfortunately. The fanatics will lose support.

I hope their hearts change. I don't want them dead. I just want them to stop hurting others.

 

By the way, the lady in this video below had acid thrown in her face for being a Christian. She doesn't hate those who did it. She forgave. I would have such a hard time forgiving if someone had done that to me.

 

Pakistani Acid-Attack Victim Enjoys New Life in Texas

 

You haven't done anything at all to me so really I have no excuse but to forgive you. Sorry for getting mad at you. I don't like my belief or myself to be insulted but maybe I should develop thicker skin sigh.

 

Peace

[BetheButterfly]

i think the best thing is to get her out of there. because they clearly not going to let her go. maybe the u.s. or uk, give her family asylum. BTB why dont you start a petition for that in the u.s?

 

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but yes definitely!!!

 

And her whole family, including her parents and her brothers!!!

[irin]

Because she was in the limelight, she was an activist in the community, on the Web (BBC.com) and made speeches in public. She was up for " International Childrens Peace Prize" This girl was 14. Amazing.

 

 

 

Malala Yousafzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

hmmm. that made very clear now. this happens to almost everyone who speak out politically against those groups, in that region, the difference here in that she is 14. i was thinking many 14 year girls go school in Pakistan and want be doctors, never heard of them getting shot for this sole reason.

[Hawaii50]

 

Would you have written him about "f" this and "f" that and insulted his beliefs if you could have? I am still miffed at you, though I'm supposed to forgive you. That's slightly annoying to me, to be honest. I'd rather not forgive you right now and still sulk but Jesus (who you don't believe is true) commands through the account in the Bible to forgive, and you didn't even do anything to me except insult what I believe. The irony is so annoying though. Let me be mad at you and not forgive you for a little longer ok?

 

By the way, Martin Luther King Jr. is one of my heroes and I 100% agree with you that he is an awesome beacon for peace and civil right.

 

100% agree with you!!! Yes she is extraordinary!!! My hat goes off to her! I very much admire and respect her and her fight for an education for the girls in Pakistan!

I hope it brings productive change for the good of the girls in Pakistan.

I hope their hearts change. I don't want them dead. I just want them to stop hurting others.

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You haven't done anything at all to me so really I have no excuse but to forgive you. Sorry for getting mad at you. I don't like my belief or myself to be insulted but maybe I should develop thicker skin sigh.

 

Peace

 

 

>Hugs<

 

You have never and will never quote me as saying Jesus didn't exist, because that is something I cannot know. I could debate it, ignorantly.. But, what I will debate- KNOWINGLY, is that Jesus is no more a son of "god" (and I use my perspective of a force) than I. He was a good dude, great ideals, and completely fallible.

 

I never once mentioned MLK's religious beliefs only his contribution to civil rights and the timing of such things in a person and society. +/- 10 year and we might be talking about someone else, but we aren't. It was preparation meeting opportunity, and humanity got lucky.

[Hawaii50]

hmmm. that made very clear now. this happens to almost everyone who speak out politically against those groups, in that region, the difference here in that she is 14. i was thinking many 14 year girls go school in Pakistan and want be doctors, never heard of them getting shot for this sole reason.

 

spent like 23 seconds googlin', and about 50 reading you-can-do-ittttttttt

[irin]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but yes definitely!!!

 

And her whole family, including her parents and her brothers!!!

 

sorry for PMing you, earlier said the thread closed. anyway, you got my reply.

[BetheButterfly]

 

 

>Hugs<

 

You have never and will never quote me as saying Jesus didn't exist, because that is something I cannot know. I could debate it, ignorantly.. But, what I will debate- KNOWINGLY, is that Jesus is no more a son of "god" (and I use my perspective of a force) than I. He was a good dude, great ideals, and completely fallible.

 

I never once mentioned MLK's religious beliefs only his contribution to civil rights and the timing of such things in a person and society. +/- 10 year and we might be talking about someone else, but we aren't. It was preparation meeting opportunity, and humanity got lucky.

 

Why did you write that post though? about "f" and evolving and all that??? Explain yourself!

 

Hugs to you too. I still respect you and I don't want to be mad at you. You are a cool man and I like to learn from people who are different than me.

 

Please explain though cause that really hurt my feelings.

[irin]

spent like 23 seconds googlin', and about 50 reading you-can-do-ittttttttt

 

lol im just super lazy. and stuck on loveshack, i need to get off now....

[Els]

this thread is about a case in Pakistan.

 

And I was saying that after reading about the Middle East, anything that anyone can do, including Pakistan, does not surprise me.

 

"anything those people can or will do to women" those people? why the stereotyping and generalisation, but yeah those people.

 

Huh, so it's a 'generalisation' to say that 'America' subjugated Africans to slavery a few centuries ago, just because not all Americans agreed with it? If you say so... Technically you would probably be correct, but after all the far worse generalizations YOU have made in YOUR posts, I'd think you'd cut anyone else a tiny bit of slack with regards to that.