What are "fiery chariots" or "chariots of God" in the Bible?

[M30USA]

Think about what all this implies though. It means that, in the natural, we all are sons (and daughters) of Adam. But once we are born again, we are literally re-made (spiritually) into "sons of God". This is why Jesus said that, at the resurrection, we shall be like the angels. Trust me, every word and concept is very technical and exact in the Bible. You can't assume anything.

[M30USA]

Here is my theory. This is my own theory. If I am wrong, it doesn't mean the Bible is wrong.

 

I believe that part of the reason God created mankind was to replace the fallen angels. We know that 1/3 of the angels rebelled with Satan. We know also that there are a FINITE amount of angels--and there are LOTS of them. Whatever the amount of angels that fell, I believe God wants to replace them down to the EXACT amount. And that is what his purpose on earth is. He has chosen a people "for himself" among the nations which, according to the Bible, have been given to Satan. Additionally, we know from the Bible that, when believers are resurrected, we shall actually be HIGHER than the angels--for whatever reason. Paul even said that we (believers) "shall judge the angels". God wants to take lowly mankind, made from the dust of the earth, and in the end make us higher than the angels in heaven. There must be something about our fall, our suffering, and our initial curse, which will be forever "battle scars"--so to speak--so that when all is said and done, we have something even the angels don't. The angels have never had to live by faith--since they see God. But imagine a being on the level of an angel which as gone through the mud, experienced a life by faith, been tested, etc. That is why I believe Paul said we shall be higher than the angels. The Bible says we (believers) will inherit God's kingdom, not the angels. The Bible says that God "helps" the offspring of Abraham, not the angels. The Bible also says that God offers salvation to humans, not the angels.

[mercy]

Here is my theory. This is my own theory. If I am wrong, it doesn't mean the Bible is wrong.

 

I believe that part of the reason God created mankind was to replace the fallen angels. We know that 1/3 of the angels rebelled with Satan. We know also that there are a FINITE amount of angels--and there are LOTS of them. Whatever the amount of angels that fell, I believe God wants to replace them down to the EXACT amount. And that is what his purpose on earth is. He has chosen a people "for himself" among the nations which, according to the Bible, have been given to Satan. Additionally, we know from the Bible that, when believers are resurrected, we shall actually be HIGHER than the angels--for whatever reason. Paul even said that we (believers) "shall judge the angels". God wants to take lowly mankind, made from the dust of the earth, and in the end make us higher than the angels in heaven. There must be something about our fall, our suffering, and our initial curse, which will be forever "battle scars"--so to speak--so that when all is said and done, we have something even the angels don't. The angels have never had to live by faith--since they see God. But imagine a being on the level of an angel which as gone through the mud, experienced a life by faith, been tested, etc. That is why I believe Paul said we shall be higher than the angels. The Bible says we (believers) will inherit God's kingdom, not the angels. The Bible says that God "helps" the offspring of Abraham, not the angels. The Bible also says that God offers salvation to humans, not the angels.

 

You really believe that God in His perfectness needs to replace anything?

 

I'm wondering, have you had these beliefs since childhood? Do your parents believe this way?

 

Please don't take this as criticism, I truly am interested.

[M30USA]

You really believe that God in His perfectness needs to replace anything?

 

I'm wondering, have you had these beliefs since childhood? Do your parents believe this way?

 

Please don't take this as criticism, I truly am interested.

 

Both my parents are not believers. I have just developed these theories after exhaustive Bible study.

 

When you read verses such as how God assigns the nations angel rulers "according to the number of the sons of God", then yes, you start to realize that God is pretty particular about numbers and systems. Were you even aware that every nation on Earth has been assigned (by God) a fallen angel as ruler? Or do you think this is more Bible "quackery"? There's a lot in the Bible that mainstream Christianity doesn't even know is in there. Modern church has been dumbed down and watered down so that it's nothing more that practical, get-me-through-the-day theology.

[mercy]

Both my parents are not believers. I have just developed these theories after exhaustive Bible study.

 

When you read verses such as how God assigns the nations angel rulers "according to the number of the sons of God", then yes, you start to realize that God is pretty particular about numbers and systems. Were you even aware that every nation on Earth has been assigned (by God) a fallen angel as ruler? Or do you think this is more Bible "quackery"? There's a lot in the Bible that mainstream Christianity doesn't even know is in there. Modern church has been dumbed down and watered down so that it's nothing more that practical, get-me-through-the-day theology.

 

Because of the way I was raised I know the bible front back and sideways. And I don't think people dummy down when using the word of God to 'get them through the day'. It is after all a tool God gave us for just that purpose.

 

No, I don't think the bible is quackery, but I do believe some pull scriptures out of context looking for conspiracy theories. God to me tells it like it is and doesn't leave anything to the imagination. Except maybe heaven.

 

I seek God because He brings me joy and peace. God is my soft place to land.

 

 

Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore. (Psalms 16:11)

[M30USA]

Fair enough.

 

I used to think subjects like this were conspiratorial and occult-related, until I had to reconcile why the Bible makes repeated mention of this subject--and not in a demonic way.

 

I think it's more dangerous to be unaware of this subject and to broadbrush it as entirely demonic or entirely holy. Afterall, we don't say that ALL humans are good or ALL humans are bad, so why would you with angels, etc?

[Hawaii50]

Spaceships, Man, Spaceships. Haven't you seen Ancient Aliens?!

[M30USA]

Spaceships, Man, Spaceships. Haven't you seen Ancient Aliens?!

 

Ancient Aliens is entertainment with a few truths mixed in. Begin with the Bible, and go from there--instead of referencing the Bible as side notes.

[Hawaii50]

Ancient Aliens is entertainment with a few truths mixed in. Begin with the Bible, and go from there--instead of referencing the Bible as side notes.

 

but what if there are MORE truths in the theories of Ancient Aliens with universal wisdom than the ones found in your graphic-novel.

[M30USA]

but what if there are MORE truths in the theories of Ancient Aliens with universal wisdom than the ones found in your graphic-novel.

 

Graphic novels don't predict with detail the birth of the most famous human ever to live 600 years before he was born, or the reestablishment of Israel 1900 years prior, or the fact that Babylon would remain in ruins for the rest of time, or that Egypt would become a barren wasteland (400 years prior while it was still green and plush), or that the world would unite under a single government (already in the workings).

 

As an interesting note:

 

Saddam Hussein tried to rebuild the ruins of Babylon for the stated reason of disproving Biblical prophecy. He was dead within a year.

Edited October 15, 2012 by M30USA

[Hawaii50]

Graphic novels don't predict with detail the birth of the most famous human ever to live 600 years before he was born, or the reestablishment of Israel 1900 years prior, or the fact that Babylon would remain in ruins for the rest of time, or that Egypt would become a barren wasteland (400 years prior while it was still green and plush), or that the world would unite under a single government (already in the workings).

 

As an interesting note:

 

Saddam Hussein tried to rebuild the ruins of Babylon for the stated reason of disproving Biblical prophecy. He was dead within a year.

 

Sure mom we'd love some more chex-mix!

Not sayin' it's a bad book, just sayin' wouldn't base my life off it.

[pureinheart]

Graphic novels don't predict with detail the birth of the most famous human ever to live 600 years before he was born, or the reestablishment of Israel 1900 years prior, or the fact that Babylon would remain in ruins for the rest of time, or that Egypt would become a barren wasteland (400 years prior while it was still green and plush), or that the world would unite under a single government (already in the workings).

 

As an interesting note:

 

Saddam Hussein tried to rebuild the ruins of Babylon for the stated reason of disproving Biblical prophecy. He was dead within a year.

 

This is why I have always believed that GWB was led by God to go into Iraq.

[M30USA]

This is why I have always believed that GWB was led by God to go into Iraq.

 

Just to clarify before someone jumps on you, this doesn't mean what GWB did was right--it just means he was possibly used by God. We know from Scripture that God even uses Satan to accomplish his will. God is all sovereign. Yet another reason I'm a Calvinist.

[OpenBook]

Here is my theory. This is my own theory. If I am wrong, it doesn't mean the Bible is wrong.

 

I believe that part of the reason God created mankind was to replace the fallen angels. We know that 1/3 of the angels rebelled with Satan. We know also that there are a FINITE amount of angels--and there are LOTS of them. Whatever the amount of angels that fell, I believe God wants to replace them down to the EXACT amount. And that is what his purpose on earth is. He has chosen a people "for himself" among the nations which, according to the Bible, have been given to Satan. Additionally, we know from the Bible that, when believers are resurrected, we shall actually be HIGHER than the angels--for whatever reason. Paul even said that we (believers) "shall judge the angels". God wants to take lowly mankind, made from the dust of the earth, and in the end make us higher than the angels in heaven. There must be something about our fall, our suffering, and our initial curse, which will be forever "battle scars"--so to speak--so that when all is said and done, we have something even the angels don't. The angels have never had to live by faith--since they see God. But imagine a being on the level of an angel which as gone through the mud, experienced a life by faith, been tested, etc. That is why I believe Paul said we shall be higher than the angels. The Bible says we (believers) will inherit God's kingdom, not the angels. The Bible says that God "helps" the offspring of Abraham, not the angels. The Bible also says that God offers salvation to humans, not the angels.

 

So what will you do with this theory, or knowledge, or whatever you believe it to be? And what are you trying to tell us with it? What are you getting at here? I don't see where you're going with this. Do you feel you have some purpose to fulfill?

[M30USA]

So what will you do with this theory, or knowledge, or whatever you believe it to be? And what are you trying to tell us with it? What are you getting at here? I don't see where you're going with this. Do you feel you have some purpose to fulfill?

 

The Bible tells us that knowledge, specifically of God and his Word, is to be sought more than gold or silver. In fact, the Bible tells us that knowledge of God is not just the greatest endeavor, but is the ONLY thing we should ever boast about (if we decide to boast).

 

I only am stressing this particular aspect of God's Word because I feel as if God has led me to this knowledge. How is it "practical"? For the same reason that studying prophecy is practical: it helps to prevent deception, we see Gods plan, and it shows us how he operates in space/time.

[pie2]

So, as God is a god of balance and order, would that mean that an equal amount of souls would be sent to hell, to "replace" and "balance out" the 2/3 that remained in heavan?

 

ugh, no...I have SUCH a hard time with this whole entire concept (souls being sent to hell)...it really isn't an easy thing to think about

[M30USA]

So, as God is a god of balance and order, would that mean that an equal amount of souls would be sent to hell, to "replace" and "balance out" the 2/3 that remained in heavan?

 

ugh, no...I have SUCH a hard time with this whole entire concept (souls being sent to hell)...it really isn't an easy thing to think about

 

Souls won't be "sent" to hell. God will give them merely what they want. We all make choices on a daily basis. Every day we decide whether we want the world, or God's Kingdom; whether we want to live in the flesh, or live by the spirit (the only way to please God according to the Bible); and whether we want to do our own will, or His.

[pie2]

Every day we decide whether we want the world, or God's Kingdom; whether we want to live in the flesh, or live by the spirit (the only way to please God according to the Bible); and whether we want to do our own will, or His.

 

Sounds easy...but it can be so hard!

[domenicosal]

Those heaven cars was the most exact way people found to describe machines to transport people they saw in front of their eyes, which transported people through air, thats to say, that was the way those people could describe flying machines by using their knowledge. You can see how easily a person describes something that he doesn't understand by using comparisons to objects that he knows. Stories about an ancient race that came into earth to create the human race from the beings that existed on those days over the earth are very wide extended around the entire planet, and there are some facts and histories around the subject that can be analyzed througly to come into a very sure fact: almost for sure, a civilization visited us and created us by mixing their ADN with the races that existed then You can see very interesting facts here: Ancient Aliens: The Evidence (Season 1: Episode 1/5) - YouTube

Edited October 16, 2012 by domenicosal

[M30USA]

Sounds easy...but it can be so hard!

 

"For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few." (Matthew 7:4, ESV)

[mercy]

Fair enough.

 

I used to think subjects like this were conspiratorial and occult-related, until I had to reconcile why the Bible makes repeated mention of this subject--and not in a demonic way.

 

I think it's more dangerous to be unaware of this subject and to broadbrush it as entirely demonic or entirely holy. Afterall, we don't say that ALL humans are good or ALL humans are bad, so why would you with angels, etc?

 

What I do know is that your heart is in the right place.

 

And to me, you are doing exactly what this scripture says -

 

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV)

[pie2]

Yet another reason I'm a Calvinist.

 

Can you explain a little about what it means to be a Calvinist (especially in 2012)?

[domenicosal]

Try to imagine yourself to be the person who saw flying vehicles carrying people, but by using words that a person of those ancient epochs know: "I saw a flying object that carries people. How can I say it looks like? I can't say it was a boat or a canoe because those objects move over water... (you can't use the word "vehicle" or "plane" because that words do't exist yet)... then I will I say they are "cars" I know it is some way inexact, but this way they will understand that they carry people. Then I'll say they were cars. Now, how can I describe that flames that surge under them... well, they were fire cars."

Get it? The plain truth is in front of us, described by the best way those people could afford. Now imagine how those people could describe those beings? "They can fly, they get over their cars, fly and dissapear. Where they could go? To heaven for sure, what else is over there? So they are... angels! What else they could be? Now, I can't understand nor describe the shape of their cars, but if I have to draw in some way how they look like... I think I'm going to draw them over a cloud. I know those objects doesn't look like a cloud, but what other way I can say to people that they fly across the air, and they go to heaven over those objects? By drawing them over a cloud they will get the idea...And now, a person nowadays reads that description... "Fire cars? Cars flying to heaven? Hahaha! Sound funny! But there's no way that that fairy tale could be real some day!"

Edited October 16, 2012 by domenicosal

[mercy]

Can you explain a little about what it means to be a Calvinist (especially in 2012)?

 

Really good question!

 

Are you familiar with TULIP?

[M30USA]

Can you explain a little about what it means to be a Calvinist (especially in 2012)?

 

Calvinism, in a nutshell, means that God has complete, absolute sovereignty (or control) over all his creation. The reason it's so hard to describe is that it contradicts human logic, and therefore you can't really support it in a debate.

 

Even the idea of free will, according to Calvinism, means that God actually PLACED a desire or want in our heart to begin with. So here we come along, thinking we are making "choices" when, in fact, we are merely acting upon the desire that God placed in our heart. This seems to be clearly understood when it comes to those whom God has chosen. Paul says that God has "predestined" us for salvation. It's a little harder to accept when it comes to those whom God might have predestined for destruction. But the Bible clearly affirms this idea--as mean and unfair as it sounds to human reasoning--in this chapter:

 

What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

 

You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

(Romans 9:14-24 ESV)

Edited October 16, 2012 by M30USA